Mini 1219 - Bedtime Stories Mafia - Game Over!

[weirdvoigts]

Giving scum a watcher in a game with an innocent child makes its own awesome kind of sense.
Town PRs have obvious target -> scum watches target -> Scum kills the PRs.
Grey used to play magic, I'll bet he loves synergy like that and the bodyguard - IC combo.

So yeah once we've eliminated the VT scum hiphop is definitely next.

This is a terrible post.

Why? It makes sense to me.

-bvoigt

[Banshee]

I almost want to say massclaim. We have one dead PR, one claimed and I already claimed non-VT.

I think this is the first suggestion of massclaim.

I don't see what's wrong with Llamarble's reasoning. Actually:

UNVOTE:

I'm STILL waiting for Evil Bullet to explain why he thought I was scum a few pages back.

[Evil Bullet]

Some short catch up thoughts:

Banshee tunneling doesn't sit well with me but she's probably too stubborn to be scum. Of course, she isn't stupid. Call it null. I just don't like her position on certain things. Her posts aren't necessarily scummy but he contribution as a whole, I honestly feel like it's been bringing town down.

Currently Llamarble makes the most sense as scum. Too quick to go for that massclaim, which is why I can see him and Banshee as partners as well but their little tussle later on makes Banshee look towner.

1312 contains a great point and Thomith seems quite a bit less obvtown than before. Just because it'd be a shame if there was only one scum trying to quickhammer deselby.

I think Thomith will be the best lynch for today. Slightly possible as scum plus we've talked yesterday about the wealth of information it would give us.

I'm willing to lynch hiphop again too although his interaction with Voided yesterday doesn't add up. Maybe this is made irrelevant by the fact that they had daytalk. Actually that's gotta be it. And I can EASILY see Llama and hiphop as buddies. I just feel like I had a moment of shining clarity actually. Hiphop/Llama makes all sorts of sense. Yeah. See 1437.

Will a Llama wagon happen if I vote him?

I don't think so. And I don't want Thomith lynched. So if there has to be a lynch that I don't necessarily want but am willing to support, it's WV.

Wtf is 1466 that totally just threw me off.

Llama/WV?????

Stopping at page 60 but one more thing: I'm not agreeing with any of these orders for who I JK. I'm not gonna defend with my role.

[Evil Bullet]

Giving scum a watcher in a game with an innocent child makes its own awesome kind of sense.
Town PRs have obvious target -> scum watches target -> Scum kills the PRs.
Grey used to play magic, I'll bet he loves synergy like that and the bodyguard - IC combo.

So yeah once we've eliminated the VT scum hiphop is definitely next.

This is a terrible post.

Why? It makes sense to me.

-bvoigt

I just don't see town giving scum a bunch of ideas for their best possible move.

[Ellibereth]

Stopping at page 60 but one more thing: I'm not agreeing with any of these orders for who I JK. I'm not gonna defend with my role.

but that's the theoretically soundest play with an innocent child, bodyguard, watcher combo >.>

[Llamarble]

I disagreed with massclaim until there were 873 softclaims and it needed to happen.

As for PR use, I think we have each of them flip a coin. If heads they protect Implosion.
Otherwise they do something else entirely of their choosing, even perhaps JK on RD or hiphop.

That way Implosion shouldn't die and scum don't get to rely on any particular thing happening.

If we do lynch scum today we should have EB target arbitrarily, RD BG implo, and hiphop watch EB.

[Banshee]

Currently Llamarble makes the most sense as scum. Too quick to go for that massclaim, which is why I can see him and Banshee as partners as well but their little tussle later on makes Banshee look towner.

I don't really understand your reasoning here. Why does Llamarble's willingness to go for a massclaim make him a likely scumpartner for me?

[weirdvoigts]

1312 contains a great point and Thomith seems quite a bit less obvtown than before. Just because it'd be a shame if there was only one scum trying to quickhammer deselby.

I think Thomith will be the best lynch for today. Slightly possible as scum plus we've talked yesterday about the wealth of information it would give us.

Huh? Rainbowdash was saying she did

not

think Thomith was scum in that post.

I'm willing to lynch hiphop again too although his interaction with Voided yesterday doesn't add up. Maybe this is made irrelevant by the fact that they had daytalk. Actually that's gotta be it. And I can EASILY see Llama and hiphop as buddies. I just feel like I had a moment of shining clarity actually. Hiphop/Llama makes all sorts of sense. Yeah. See 1437.

That actually might be right. I really think hiphop is scum, but he doesn't make sense as a Thomith buddy.

I just don't see town giving scum a bunch of ideas for their best possible move.

(shrug) If scum, Llama would be able to mention it toNight assuming he wasn't lynched. And if town, he could just sincerely be trying to catch scum with the setup speculation. (This doesn't make him town, but I can see the motivation.)

-bvoigt

[weirdvoigts]

UNVOTE: Thomith
VOTE: hiphop

BTW, Alex is still catching up.

[Rainbowdash]

I love how everypony simply seems intent on destroying all my hypothesies.

@WV - Who is scum with hiphop?

[Llamarble]

I'm having trouble making up my mind between WV and Neruz.
Neruz has this I DO NOT TOLERATE STUPIDITY stuff and my experience with him is not of him being a derp.
Not being a derp is inconsistent with:
1. Not knowing 3 cults was unlikely
2. Not knowing Beck died
Which makes me think he faked that and is scum.
Also he was the fakehammer on Voided that led to Voided's wagon dissolving and then was not wagoning Voided when Voided died.
I can probably find more but yeah his blood needs to be on the menu.
VOTE: Neruz

All of this still holds.
If none of Neruz/Thomith/WV are scum I will be a deeply confused pony.

But on the other hand WV is FREE to bus hiphop right now because hiphop can't get lynched until the VT scum goes down.
So I still think WVscum.

[weirdvoigts]

I love how everypony simply seems intent on destroying all my hypothesies.

@WV - Who is scum with hiphop?

Llamarble, I suppose. (Alex wanted me to say Voidedmafia.)

-bvoigt

[Evil Bullet]

I love how everypony simply seems intent on destroying all my hypothesies.

@WV - Who is scum with hiphop?

Llamarble, I suppose. (Alex wanted me to say Voidedmafia.)

-bvoigt

Do what Alex says next time. You've successfully ruined a good lol.

[implosion]

i almost want to just lynch hiphop today... i'm honestly not sure if wv would bus here. meh. it's probably better to wait a day at least.

[Ellibereth]

this game is getting kinda sappy to me.
sappy in the I'm not really interested so let's just lynch someone.
I'll hammer anyone in my not town list.

[Rainbowdash]

i almost want to just lynch hiphop today... i'm honestly not sure if wv would bus here. meh. it's probably better to wait a day at least.

I can see this, problem is I had a townish read on hiphop yesterday, and if he thought I was an EBG, I really would have been the N1 kill for scum instead of Beck which really confuses me at this point. It almost feels like a from EB kill, but why would there be a even-night JK for scum is the biggest question there.

Even though im almost thinking this could be a town flip, I am going to move back because I don't think there is going to be getting around the paranoia of it all.

unvote
Vote Thomith

[Llamarble]

Why aren't we lynching WV?

[Rainbowdash]

Why aren't we lynching WV?

I would vote either.

[hiphop]

I feel like Seacore in this game, after town's response when he claimed Roleblocker. I cannot argue that this post does not make sense when it does, however I do know my role that GI gave me, but do not know scums' roles to counter it.

I believe that Wv is more town then scum, so I will not put a vote on him, I also believe that EB and Rainbow are more likely town then scum, so IMO scum lie in the vanillas. And one of them is Thomith.

I am curious why nobody has brought up the below

In the event that multiple protective roles target the same player, the bodyguard protection will be consumed after any doctor/Jailkeeper protections, but before any Bulletproof protections.

Which means if Rainbow, EB, and scum target Implosion, nobody dies. I can watch Rainbow, and see if scum try to go around. Of course this wastes EB's roleblocking ability, but I think it is a viable option.

P-edit Didn't you already show that picture?

[Neruz]

Why aren't we lynching WV?

Because Thomith is scuuuum.

[Rainbowdash]

I am curious why nobody has brought up the below

In the event that multiple protective roles target the same player, the bodyguard protection will be consumed after any doctor/Jailkeeper protections, but before any Bulletproof protections.

Which means if Rainbow, EB, and scum target Implosion, nobody dies. I can watch Rainbow, and see if scum try to go around. Of course this wastes EB's roleblocking ability, but I think it is a viable option.

I would not be totally against this but I think it should be a coinflip of if he targets implosion or a VT. If we lynch scum he IS blocking VT ponies for the rest of the game though. Preferably the most benifical to the town if they are town first.

P-edit Didn't you already show that picture?

Not sure but it felt like a good spot to use it. Sure I have a database of probably 500ish, but that one seemed like a good one there.

[weirdvoigts]

I love how everypony simply seems intent on destroying all my hypothesies.

@WV - Who is scum with hiphop?

Llamarble, I suppose. (Alex wanted me to say Voidedmafia.)

-bvoigt

Do what Alex says next time. You've successfully ruined a good lol.

sowwy

Also, here's my reasoning: if hiphop is scum, the other one presumably claimed VT. That leaves:

Ellibereth- Town for his reactions during twilight, and also looked like he was sincerely scumhunting during back-and-forth with Thomith.
Banshee- Probably town because she also seems sincere.
Neruz- Town for not knowing that the scum killed Beck.
Thomith- Probably town for his interactions with hiphop, although I guess it could be possible that daytalk allowed them to coordinate heavy bussing.
Llamarble- Scum by PoE.

[Neruz]

It's kind of depressing that the main reason people think i'm town is because i screwed up a bunch of times :X

[Ellibereth]

That's why i think bullet is town sooooooo

[weirdvoigts]

I love how everypony simply seems intent on destroying all my hypothesies. @WV - Who is scum with hiphop?

Llamarble, I suppose. (Alex wanted me to say Voidedmafia.) -bvoigt

Do what Alex says next time. You've successfully ruined a good lol.

sowwy

XD Anyways, WHEE 15 PAGES TO READ AND I TOTALLY DIDN'T SKIM OR ANYTHING Massclaim was a good idea, pretty sure there's one scum in there. Hiphop seems scummiest (Watcher with Innocent Child, and a Bodyguard? Lol), but I could be wrong about this. There's something I want to clear up first, I have a theory that I'll explain once I get the answer to this.
@Hiphop: You're the most experienced person here, right? Do you know off the top of your head if Encryptor is a normal role?
I want Hiphop to answer this, not someone else, I have a theory.
I think Neruz is town, as Hiphop mentioned a while back, scum not realizing Beck died? How does that work?
This game is confusing me...

PS: Sorry for the short catchup, I skimmed though. If you have anything you want me to answer, I'd be happy to. Maybe I can even get Bvoigt to not botch a joke (yeah right).

PPS: I agree with Bvoigt's above post.

~Wierdalexv, back from the dead