Double Vote Mafia -Mini 1239- Over

[Nobody Special]

/confirm

[Nobody Special]

Only five confirmations in a 13p game? Doubtful.

Also this isn't Central Park >_>"

ITT, AV can't count.

FoS: AV

[Nobody Special]

I once had a replacement spot filled in less than a minute.

So there.

[Nobody Special]

Haters gonna hate.

[Nobody Special]

Vote: Hiraki
Vote: AurorusVox

[Nobody Special]

Whiskers, serious question: Is English your native language?

[Nobody Special]

"EBWOP:" What does this mean?

Edit By Way Of Post -- since we can't edit, it refers to the edition of a post by way of another post.

[Nobody Special]

Whiskers, serious question: Is English your native language?

[Nobody Special]

I would proffer an opinion on his bits, but this is a family game.

[Nobody Special]

Voidedmafia replaces protoplasm

Nice to see you have no good reason for your vote, Christine.

And it was a question for AV; "Why are you acting scummy?"

Welcome, protoplasm. Are you scum?

Whiskers, serious question: Is English your native language?

Whiskers:

please stop avoiding the question. I am trying to determine whether you are having difficulty reading the game, or if you are only selectively reading the game (and thus, scum).

[Nobody Special]

NS: I think you've made your point. Whiskers didn't realize that protoplasm flaked, and Voided was the replacement. In addition to being scummy, I don't think it's likely that Voided is Whiskers's scumpartner. Do you agree?

Never occurred to me; I don't teamhunt on Day One, as it's useless to so do without flips. however, I have not yet ruled out the possibility that Whiskers is scum. Avoiding questions is very, very bad. As is selective reading.

[Nobody Special]

#78: First off, uh, no he's not. Those are the only in-game posts he's made so far.
Second, I don't know why he's scummy. That quick unvote and revote is jarring enough to keep him from really being town, yes, but he hasn't really done anything scummy yet.

In your first point, I belive you meant "votes" instead of "posts" -- it reads correctly when using the word votes.

In your second point, to whom do the referents "him" and "he" refer -- me? If so, I fail to see a "jarring" unvote and revote from me; as you pointed out in you first point, those have been (and still are) my only votes in the game thus far.

For ease of reference, here is the linked post from above (#78):

Nopony Special! Why are you changing your votes around so much?
Unvote: ...Idr.

Vote: Nobody Special
Vote: Killer Jester

1: For lurking and changing votes without explanation.
2: Same reasons as before.
Also, AV is acting scummy, why?

As for

WHISKERS,

the above points out at least one of your 'selective reading' episodes. If I have to explain it for you in detail, I will. Just ask.

Also, my "silly question" still stands: Is English your native language? I will not let this go. Please answer.

[Nobody Special]

I feel so loved.



....useless?

[Nobody Special]

As for

WHISKERS,

the above points out at least one of your 'selective reading' episodes. If I have to explain it for you in detail, I will. Just ask.

Also, my "silly question" still stands: Is English your native language? I will not let this go. Please answer.

Every time you post in this game and don't answer this question, you will see it again.

Please just answer it.

[Nobody Special]

I have played with many players for whom English is a hindrance, because it's not their native language. This is a game of text, of argument, of debate. It helps to have a facility with the language in which you are arguing.

Thus the question. I believe it would shed some light on whether Whiskers is deliberately avoiding certain things, or whether certain things said could be either a scumslip or an innocent language-slip.

I'm not impressed by Whiskers' arrogance in not answering a simple question.

Unvote, unvote

Vote: Whiskers
Vote AurorusVox

I need to re-examine AV. Although Whiskers' arrogance could conceivably include strong bussing.

[Nobody Special]

Do you at least see my reasoning behind asking it? Also, I'm very tenacious.

[Nobody Special]

Do you at least see my reasoning behind asking it? Also, I'm very tenacious.

I see your reasons, but I don't think Whiskers' English is bad or not understandable, thus I don't find the question was needed.

Whether you think the question was needed is irrelevant.

I still want an answer, although it's evident that I won't be getting one, and therefore, I fully believe Whiskers is scum. There's no point in avoiding that question. None whatsoever. It's sheer arrogance and anti-town behavior.

[Nobody Special]

FoS: nintendoaddict

And, nintendo, don't twist my words. It's the arrogance, and the avoidance of a simple question that makes me think she's scum.

[Nobody Special]

I am not convinced she is scum due to the avoidance of

that specific question.

I feel she is scum due to her arrogance in avoiding a perfectly reasonable question.

It's subtle, but if you look closely enough, you'll see it.

And I agree with AV. Thus:

unvote
unvote

Vote: Whiskers
Vote: nintendoaddict

[Nobody Special]

Why Whiskers is being accused of selective reading:

Nopony Special! Why are you changing your votes around so much?
Unvote: ...Idr.

Vote: Nobody Special
Vote: Killer Jester

1: For lurking and changing votes without explanation.
2: Same reasons as before.
Also, AV is acting scummy, why?

Here, you ask why I'm changing votes; if you had actually read the thread, you'd see that I only made one vote post up until this point.

Voidedmafia replaces protoplasm

Nice to see you have no good reason for your vote, Christine.

And it was a question for AV; "Why are you acting scummy?"

Welcome, protoplasm. Are you scum?

Please note that these two posts are immediately adjacent. Whiskers' post was less than half an hour after the Mod post. ThAd's post very clearly states that Voidedmafia

replaces

protoplasm. However, Whiskers welcomes protoplasm to the game. It is this instance that made me question whether Whiskers is a native English speaker or not. Anyone fluent in English

should

know that if "A replaces B" then you no longer have a B, because A has replaced B. Now that Whiskers has finally answered that she is indeed a native English speaker, the only option that I am aware of is that she has been skimming over the game. Town players usually do not skim over details such as this.

Also, I don't answer stupid questions. For more info, see, "What timezone are you in?"

Just to clear it up, though, I typed out the wrong name-- protoplasm instead of VoidedMafia.

This doesn't speak to selective reading, but it does convince me that Whiskers is not town. Town would have no reason not to answer pretty much any question put to them, whether it seems game-related or not. Answering questions, and asking questions of other people is the basis of this game.

Also, I believe that town would be more careful in who they address their questions to; they would like to keep track of the outstanding questions, to whom they were asked, and why there is no answer yet. On the other hand, scum tend to ask a lot of questions without worrying about whether they get an answer, and so they don't keep track or follow up. It's largely carelessness, but it's a valid tell.

Okay, I'm not liking how much of a thing NS is making out of the original question.

NS, why is it so important to know if English is Whiskers' first language?

It is so not important and I don't feel it has any bearing on the game. However, that's all you're doing, Nopony Special. There's really nothing in this game that you can comment on but "Whiskers, is english your first language?"

It is important to me, and I think that your blanket rejection of any question that YOU don't feel is important is decidedly anti-town. Given my case above, we can now see why the question was important to me, and, by extension, to the town. Also, scum sometimes have an arrogance about them; I've seen it many times, and I think I'm seeing it again.

Nopony Special, my first language is, indeed, English. I don't like giving small details (You'll notice that I won't tell you what timezone I'm in). Where do you think I was selectively reading, now that you can't focus on a stupid little thing? Hmm? I asked you that before, but you never answered me, and it, unlike YOUR question, was related to the game.

Thank you for finally answering. Additionally, I don't really give a shit whether you "like" giving small details or not. A pro-town person should answer very nearly any question put to them, whether they think it has bearing on the game or not. And earlier in this post, I address your selective reading issues.

[Nobody Special]

Game-specific Rule #2 clearly states that there is a potential for a double-hammer, and that only the first instance of such will be acknowledged. Thereafter, there is the possibility of only one hammer per day.

Please, people, it's a game

about

intensely involving language. Learn to fucking read.

[Nobody Special]

Sadly enough, I agree with nintendo on this one. And, AV, you're scummyish for pushing it.

[Nobody Special]

I'm here. I have my suspects, my votes are staying for now.

I don't like the AV wagon. At all.

[Nobody Special]

I've already made my cases. Try reading.

[Nobody Special]

See this? This is me not caring what you think.

[Nobody Special]

I have nothing to say at this point. My votes stay.

[Nobody Special]

Ahhh, new blood.

RDash, I look forward to your comments.

[Nobody Special]

Massclaiming on Day ONE?

I don't think so.

[Nobody Special]

You can't dictate these things, you know.

[Nobody Special]

My top vote is Whiskers. nintendo is a very, very close second, though.

Also, massclaiming before we have any flips AT ALL just seems.... pointless. I mean, seriously, you're gonna get 12 claims of VT. And then wherre will be be? It's not like there ARE any other roles aside from VT and Goon.

Did you even read the setup?

Fine. I'll play your game, idiotic as it may be.

I'm VT.

Whiskers, claim next.

This is stupid.

[Nobody Special]

I do not understand the phrase "flipping tables." Can you clarify or reword? (I'm assuming it's something along the lines of 'flipping out' but I want to make sure.)

No, my Role PM does not actually have the word Vanilla in it. It's just my default phrase; and it's what I always use when writing games, so it's second nature to me. It does say I don't have a gun, though.

[Nobody Special]

Yeah which is why I want to do massclaim today. The gun suggests that there is a gunsmith and there is probably a doctor/BG if not both since this is 13 pony setup with no scum PRs. I am totally willing to double lynch a cop/cop counter day one and hope we have it happen.

Anyone who claims cop is basically confirmed, its probably worth it for scum to do but if they dont town is going to be crushing.

No, seriously.

Have you read the setup for the game?

[Nobody Special]

role pms

You are a Townie, and you've got no special powers at Night. No investigations, no protection, no gun to shoot people. Your only powers are the ability to post, vote (twice!), and think.

You win when all the scum are eliminated (even if you are dead by that time), so try to lynch well!

This game will be held in Central Park, and here is a link to the game.

You are a member of the Mafia with XXXXXXXX and XXXXXXXX. You may talk with your partners at any time.
At Night have one person from the group PM me the name of a player on behalf of the mafia (if there's a conflict I will act on the first PM received). The named player will be killed.
During the Day, try to blend in with the rest of the players, and get someone lynched.

You win (even if you personally are dead) when at least half of the living players are mafia, or when nothing can prevent this from happening.

This game will be held in Central Park, and here is a link to the game.

Here is a link to a qt.

I submit that you're either A) an idiot, or B) scum.

Which is it? I even

gave you a chance

to avoid this.

unvote

Vote: RainbowDash

Now, you're my top scumread.

[Nobody Special]

Oops.

unvote, unvote

Vote: RainbowDash

Vote: Whiskers

Whiskers is more or less a placeholder vote for the moment. We'll see how she reacts to what just happened.

[Nobody Special]

I changed my reason that you weren't my top vote after RD's seriously flawed trainwreck .... thing.

You're still a close second.

[Nobody Special]

But not scummy enough to vote her?

[Nobody Special]

NS is probably scum for telling everyone to only claim VT.

Can you show me where I said that?

No, you can't.

Because I didn't.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

[Nobody Special]

It's somehow my fault that your gambit failed??

It is to laugh.

[Nobody Special]

It is antitown because it's the best kind of thing that scum can hope to do. Distract the town with meaningless busywork while they fire off one mislynch after another.

It was a pointless waste of time, and I'll thank you not to do it again.

[Nobody Special]

And even odder for Nopony to be saying everyone just claim VT.

NS is probably scum for telling everyone to only claim VT.

Can you show me where I said that?

No, you can't.

Because I didn't.

Stop putting words in my mouth.

[Nobody Special]

Look, my postulating what results you would probably get is not, in ANY way, shape or form, me TELLING EVERYONE TO CLAIM VT.

If you can't see that, well, be sure to put your helmet on when you get out of bed.

[Nobody Special]

And you think that trying to mislead the town, and count on their laziness in re: reading the thread, is in ANY WAY pro-town?

I fail to see this.

[Nobody Special]

I just fear stupidity, including stupid, pointless gambits.

[Nobody Special]

Ever heard of Town verses Town?

You obviously agree me, cf. your vote on me. Why are you scolding him for not thinking of TvT when you yourself don't think its true?

What does this mean? "cf."? Also, I think I

HAVE

thought of TvT, but I don't know your alignment. I think it's scummy to push for the double lynch unless you KNOW somepony is scum. If you are town, you don't. So I'm not pushing the doulbe lynch right now, I'm pushing you to STOP IT, since you can't have any way of knowing that you're trading TvS.

Wait until we get a cop report or something.

I don't know if you're being deliberately dense or if you're just honestly not playing the same game that we are. (I'd ask if English was your native language, but we've covered that already.)

Why do you think there is a cop in this game? Please answer this question.

[Nobody Special]

I'd prefer one of the horsey-types, myself.

[Nobody Special]

The "Real" Vote Count

AV (3) - Whiskers, VM, Friend

<snip>

Me, Whiskers, AV and KJ are all town. We should rock this game.

Give me a little time and I will find the scum on AV wagon. Gut says we have two.

If Whiskers is town, and there are two scum on the wagon, I would postulate that VM and FM are scum.

Elapsed time: 2 seconds.

You're slow.

[Nobody Special]

God, you're a pushy bitch.

[Nobody Special]

The deadline is coming up,

Please, where did you get this information?

@Mod: May we have a votecount, pretty please?

[Nobody Special]

I will note that it is bad form to answer a question that was specifically directed at someone else.

I wanted their answer. Now I can't get it.

Thanks.

[Nobody Special]

Robotnik, it's called tunneling. I do it sometimes.

Also, my vote remains on Rainbow dash because she's an idiot. Or scum. Same difference.

[Nobody Special]

Lol@robotnick using NS's own tactic against him. Speaking of, you didn't answer his first question, NS.

I find Nobody Special actually a scum read. The excessive tunnelling of Whiskers at the beginning was... excessive. So, to prove a point, here's a question for you.

What stopped you from actually playing the game WHILST you were aggressively pursuing Whiskers?

Failing an answer to this, I will repeat it in larger and larger letters whilst actively seeking to not play the game. Cause that is so totally pro-town.
Also, you

did not unvote Rainbowdash

after she explained her gambit. It was a failed gambit, and probably wasn't such a great idea from the start, but your vote was based on the fact that...

A) she was an idiot, or B)...?

(That was a second question, for the record.)

Robotnik, it's called tunneling. I do it sometimes.

Also, my vote remains on Rainbow dash because she's an idiot. Or scum. Same difference.

My first two sentences answer the first question. The next three sentences answer the second.

[Nobody Special]

Define "tunneling," the way you were using it. Because I think you mean something slightly different, while "Confirmation Bias" (redirected from "Tunneling") is what you were really doing.

Remember to answer the question I asked.

"Tunneling" to me, is focusing on one player to the exclusion of all others, even going so far as ignoring obvious scumtells from people aside from the player you're tunneling on.

Firstly, it's Robotni

c

k, not Robotnik.
Secondly,
Thirdly, explain exactly how idiot==scum. I could find numerous examples of idiot!town winning a game.
Fourthly, please explain WHY you think Rainbow is an idiot/scum in the first place. It was a failed gambit, but I don't see how it was scummy.

Firstly, sorry. I was going from memory.
Secondly, below.
Thirdly, In my own little private world, I tend to label idiots as scum. It's a bad habit, and it stems from my real-life irritation with stupid people. I need to be more aware of that, and thank you for pointing it out.
Fourthly, I think it was a stupid, idiotic, pointless gambit. I tend to assume that my fellow players are involved enough in the game to actually read the game; therefore, I would never attempt something as idiotic as this. Since it was idiotic, it was scummy (see Thirdly, above).

Oh damn.

EBWOP: Secondly, explain how your "tunneling" (not the right term for it, as Whiskers pointed out) is protown.

I don't believe I ever said it was. Just because I'm town doesn't mean I always act that way.

For the moment,

unvote, unvote

I need to catch up. May not be until tomorrow, though.

[Nobody Special]

That was me, and yes, she's more town now.

Don't hate me for changing my opinion.

[Nobody Special]

If there's one scum of Whiskers-NS, it's NS.

Why do you say this?

[Nobody Special]

It is never moot answering questions put to you if you're town. Even after you're dead (as long as you're town), we can go back and read your opinions and fit them into the game.

So, go, answer.

[Nobody Special]

I'm feeling rather meh about this game. I need to look into FM and AV, but for now:

Vote: Hiraki
Vote: Christine

Please note: The Christine vote is only a placeholder; I just wanted my vote to be on Hiraki but I have no other concrete suspects right now. Re-reading and such probably won't be till either later tonight or tomorrow.

[Nobody Special]

Vote: Friend
Vote: Christine

That's L-1 for both.

[Nobody Special]

unvote, unvote

Robotnick, were you trying to manipulate, or were you mistaken?

[Nobody Special]

I don't see why we're lynching Christine, to be quite honest.

[Nobody Special]

Can you show me somewhere that I expressed an opinion of her? To 'change' my opinion, I would first need to hold an opinion.

[Nobody Special]

I was sheeping. Later, I questioned the value of that.

[Nobody Special]

Just time, and the realization that she seems resigned to her lynch for acting stupidly, which -- while town -- isn't really a good enough reason for us to mislynch.

I'm just saying that rather than mislynch an obvtown, why don't we try for a double lynch on the two scummiest players?

[Nobody Special]

Rainbow -- I moved my vote off of nintendo on Day One because I moved it ONTO you -- for your scummy-as-fuck gambit about the cop claim bullshit.

[Nobody Special]

I initially thought that she was scummy for not reading the game/not knowing the setup.

On reflection, it was (I guess) a good trap. Gambits in general just annoy me, though. (Yeah, I use them sometimes. I'm a hypocrite, sue me.)

[Nobody Special]

Whiskers, drop it. Things happen. Focus on the game at hand.

[Nobody Special]

I just want to say that

obviously

I won't be voting for myself.

[Nobody Special]

I'm still here.

And a bit discouraged at the growing wagon on me.

[Nobody Special]

I want to vote FM but I'm not comfortable putting my second vote anywhere else.

[Nobody Special]

I'm happy with a single lynch of FM right about now. Do we need to double-lynch today?

[Nobody Special]

Okay, Christine, you agree that FM is scummy, yet you've unvoted him/her/it.

Why?

Vote: Friend Mairsail
Vote: Robotnick

only a placeholder


L-2.....?

[Nobody Special]

Of course I read the thread. But your unvoting did not at all make the votes "even" so I don't buy that argument.

unvote
unvote

Vote: FM
Vote: Christine

[Nobody Special]

I think you're arguing semantics. We cannot be sure that we are lynching two scum; therefore, at best, we would be using the double-lynch to minesweep, hopefully catching at least one.

[Nobody Special]

That's reasonable.

Who do we wish to double-hang, then?

FM and....?

[Nobody Special]

No, we lose doublevotes at LYLO, not MyLo.

[Nobody Special]

Oh.

[Nobody Special]

Hi. Huge massive deadline with work tomorrow; I will check back late Tuesday or early Wednesday.

[Nobody Special]

lrn2math

[Nobody Special]

Yeah, whiskers, that was this game. Seems like ages ago, huh?

Voided: Please, explain how I can vote two people that I'm

already voting?

[Nobody Special]

This f*%&^$# game.

[Nobody Special]

I'm willing to lynch almost anyone at this point. Yes, even myself.

[Nobody Special]

Figure of speech. I really should re-read and try to do the right thing in this game. But the motivation, it is not to be found....

[Nobody Special]

Okay, looking at Robo's iso, I could certainly vote for him as well.

[Nobody Special]

Robo, I assume you think FM is scummy; who would be your second pick?

[Nobody Special]

Works for me.

unvote Christine

Vote: robotnick

[Nobody Special]

Killerjester, please don't double-hammer (or hammer at all) until Robo answers my question. Thanks.

[Nobody Special]

Confirmation bias. Let's hope I'm not wrong.

[Nobody Special]

Let's make this happen people. Fm robot lynch!

Yeah, ready to switch back to Christine.

[Nobody Special]

unvote
unvote

Vote: Christine
Vote: Robotnick

[Nobody Special]

Sorry. I need an official votecount, and I need to go back and re-read some stuff. Especially recent stuffs.

unvote

unvote

[Nobody Special]

EBWOP: We still have 8 days; activity is picking up; I want to be more sure before we end Day One.

[Nobody Special]

Welcome to mafia.

[Nobody Special]

Gah.


That's all, just "gah"

[Nobody Special]

Are we still trying for a double lynch today?

[Nobody Special]

If you've "lost interest" why not replace out and let someone who IS interested play?

[Nobody Special]

VOTE: Killerjester and Friend Mairsil

Nobody is at L-1

Friend Mairsil is at L-2
Killerjester is at L-2
Christine is at L-2

Robotnick2 is at L-3

Whiskers is at L-4

bvoigt is at L-5
Nobody Special is at L-5
Voidedmafia is at L-5

[Nobody Special]

Erm, ok, Deadline is in 9 hours.

Excuse me??!?

Deadline in (expired on 2011-11-22 07:45:00)

[Nobody Special]

Everyone, please put votes down if you haven't already. We need some time to coordinate this double lynch. I'm willing to vote the highest wagons, whatever they may be.

Are you going to hammer?

[Nobody Special]

That feels forced.

[Nobody Special]

Vote: Christine

[Nobody Special]

Oops. Forgot which game this was.

unvote

Vote: Christine
Vote: bvoigt

bvoigt vote is only a placeholder. Christine needs rope.

[Nobody Special]

Shameless prod dodge. I will look at this either tomorrow or later tonight (if I don't fall asleep first).

[Nobody Special]

While I note that Robotnick is on an emergency V/LA, I have looked at his posts, and I think he could quite possibly be our last scum (based mainly on voting patterns and his reads).

He's at L-1, and it would be a dick move to hammer him while he's gone, so I'm content to wait till he comes back.

But this is me asking Robotnick for a claim (like that's gonna be useful in this setup), and for him to explain why he's not scum. Also, this is me showing intent to hammer.