Mafia 137 - Neruzian Era Mafia SERIAL KILLER WIN!

[mastin2]

Toon Fighter ( 11 ) -

zMuffinMan

,

chkflip

,

Empking

, edmund.angles,

warriormode, hiplop

, David Xanatos,

HezLucky, sorgster, Bowser

, vezokpiraka

Edmund, prime scum position. David, prime bussing position. Only other people alive? Hez (super town-read), Bowser (strong town read), sorgster (strong town read), and Vezok.
Unless you think Toon was an all-town wagon, you should be lynching...yeah, David Xanatos.

Maxous ( 10 ) -

GreyICE

, Zdenek,

warriormode, malpascp

,

HezLucky, CSL

,

Empking

,

sorgster

, David Xanatos, GreyICE (vezok if not for the double vote)

Zdenek, Hez, CSL/Bowser, Sorgster, David, and Vezok all names here. With Hez, CSL, and sorgster as town-reads. Leaving...
Oh, yeah. Zdenek, David, and Vezok. Lynch David.

chkflip ( honorary 9 ) - edmund.angles,

GreyICE

, David Xanatos/Pine, Amrun/PR,

Hez, CSL

, Vezokpiraka,

sorgster

, zdenek

The mislynch that almost happened yesterday. With tons of unconfirmeds, here.
Edmund, David, Amrun (let's just ignore Hez, Sorg, and CSL; you know my opinion on them by now), Vezok, and Zdenek.
Lynch David.

malpascp ( 8 ) -

zMuffinMan

, Zdenek, chkflip, edmund.angles,

GreyICE

, David Xanatos,

hezlucky

, vezokpiraka

The ACTUAL mislynch yesterday which SHOULD NOT HAVE HAPPENED, that has...

...Oh, yes. Zdenek, Edmund, and David on it. 'Course, chk (null;town-lean), Hez (town-read), and Vezok are all there, but still.

If it wasn't abundantly clear by now...

Lynch. David!

[mastin2]

Put bluntly:
TOWN: GreyICE
CSL
Hez

Mal

Sorgster

WEAKER TOWN (BUT STILL TOWN):

Muffin

Vezok

NULL:
chk (in suspect list, but only technically)

Warrior

Pappums

SCUM:
David
Zdenek
Edmund (?)

Oh, look. Today is the only day in this game where start to finish, my reads haven't changed at all! Maybe that's because, y'know, I'm actually locking onto things? The exact same thing which gets me nightkilled around here?

Yeah, that.

Mal will flip town. And tomorrow, you'll be gunning after Sorgster no doubt, despite my vocal protests against that. I can see it now. "Oh, look, Mastin was right about three of the four unconfirmed players on his wagon being town. That must mean the last one's scum, right?"

Too lazy to do the math to know when lylo is, but if you survive that mislynch,

"Oh, whoops, my bad. Looks like Mastin was right about all four of those reads, about his wagon containing only two scum. My apologies for not having listened."


YEAH, WELL SCREW THAT. OVER MY DEAD BODY.

(Yeah, go ahead scum. Kill me. I dare you to. Prove me to be a threat. Prove me to be annoying. Prove me to be dangerous to you. Prove me right. It's the ultimate middle finger I can give to you, for you to kill me, to get me out of the way. But I'm not letting you win this game.)

HEY GUYS. GUESS WHAT?
The list I posted then.

IT'S STILL ACCURATE.

The flips changed nothing on there.

[mastin2]

16. Tomie Uzumaki sorgster <--TOWN AS PER MASTIN READ

WHICH WE WILL NO LONGER IGNORE,

THANK YOU VERY MUCH

.

14. pappums rat Amrun <--NULL READ AND BACKUP SCUMSPECT. (As in, if I'm wrong about one of my three, Amrun's who I'd choose to replace them.)

13. Pine David Xanatos <--SCUM READ NUMBER ONE,

WHO SHOULD HAVE BEEN LYNCHED

ON DAY TWO

WHEN I TOLD YOU TO

!

12. mastin2 <--

THE GUY WITH THE HIGHEST ACCURACY PERCENTAGE RATING IN THIS GAME RIGHT NOW;

SHEEP HIM

.

9. Torqez Hezlucky <--TOWN; DO NOT TOUCH!

8. Uprising chkflip <--NULL WITH TOWN-LEAN; NOT A TARGET TODAY.

7. GreyICE <--COMPLETE AND TOTAL DICK. (It's only an insult if it isn't true. ) BUT CONFIRMED TOWN.

5. Bowser CSL <--TOWN; DO NOT TOUCH!

3. PranaDevil MintKitten Zdenek <--SCUM READ TWO.

2. edmund.angles <--SCUM READ THREE.


I WILL NOT ACCEPT ANY LYNCH OUTSIDE OF DAVID, ZDENEK, EDMUND, OR AMRUN. (If you're really, reeeeeeeeally nice to me and convincing enough, Vezok

might

be added to there, but VERY DOUBTFUL.)

[mastin2]

If GreyICE intended to make me quiet by stealing my vote, he was VERY sadly mistaken about me.

A normal player has only two weapons.

Their voice and their vote.


I have ALWAYS been of the firm belief that you can lose one and still be an effective scumhunter by compensating and using the other effectively. (Which is why my dream-PR is to have a restriction of being able to post nothing but votes.) So, lose my vote?

I BECOME MORE VERBOSE TO COMPENSATE FOR IT.

Lynch. David.

(What, do I need to sig that?)

[mastin2]

And, just for the heck of it.
VOTE: David Xanatos. Even though I know it won't work.

[mastin2]

And, just for the heck of it.
VOTE: David Xanatos. Even though I know it won't work.

BECAUSE HE IS JUST THAT OBV-SCUM AND NEEDS TO DIE

THAT

BADLY.

[mastin2]

I have no read on it. Vezok's attempted a hammer on every single day. Last time I saw that, it was from Sharkfinn (VT), who got nom'd for the title of Hammerhead because of it.

He's also been on almost every major wagon, but...

...You know who ELSE that can be said of, right?


Oh, yeah.

David Xanatos.

THE GUY I HAVE BEEN ADVOCATING THE LYNCH OF.

[mastin2]

Vote David Xanatos

/Obv-bus.

VOTE: Mastin

Take your pick: opportunism, desperately trying to save buddy.

also

sorgster is scum

discuss

*Points to massive rant at the end of yesterday*.

Because Mastin's been tunneling on me all game, and I'm getting Scum feelings from him. Coupled with the fact he's the wagon alongside mine, it's the logical vote.

OMGUS/Survival. Take your pick.

Grey, he alredy claimed. What do you want from him?

No vote at all. Implying but not flat-out stating intention, leaving open multiple doors. If David's town, Amrun's confirmed scum, for not wanting to appear on the mislynch. (If David's scum, same thing applies in reverse: Amrun as scum would have no reason NOT to want to appear on the David wagon, therefore, Amrun is town.)

Have to leave; be back later.

[mastin2]

mastin, updated reads list. Now.

It needs updating?

Oh, right. I suppose Amrun's scum flip DOES take care of the scum in my neutrals.

TOWN:
GreyICE,
Sorgster.
(2/5 needed. :/)

DA REST: CSL (old town read),
Vezok (Gut? town read),
chk (null, solidly),
Hez (...under investigation)

SCUM:
Zdenek,
Amrun, (needs investigating...)
Edmumd (?)

I needed five town-reads, since I was counting on one being NK'd, leaving four townreads+myself = 5/9 alive-->lynch the four remaining-->guaranteed town win.

This actually makes things pathetically easy. (Nice job, Hez.) No need to doubt my Hez town-read, and Amrun scumread confirmed.

Got two confirmed town, three under investigation (with chk looking more and more like town), and two old suspects.


(No, David, your townflip didn't slow me down. I knew I was wrong about ONE of my reads, but didn't know which it was. And, heck, even if I WAS as confident as I pretended to be, nothing surprises me after Sexy Sedilla. Put bluntly, Magister Ludi beat you to the punch. )

Seven theoretical suspects, two of them confirmed town. Meaning, 2/7 not on the lynch table. It's simply a matter of selecting two names to be taken out of the lynch pool with them. Zdenek and Edmund will not be taken out, obviously; they're in for pretty much the entire game.

Put bluntly: I've only got to decide which of {chk, CSL, Vezok} I want to keep in the lynch pool (which among them I find most likely to be scum), and we've got a guaranteed victory. (I'm not sure which, honestly. One moment, I think chk is town due to his earlier wagon. At other times, I think that Vezok couldn't be scum, yet...I can't think of the reason why, when objectively, he looks the worst. And CSL by my gut is the towniest of them, yet I'm getting paranoid about him for some reason.)

VOTE: Zdenek.

[mastin2]

CSL's been eliminated. Why?

You need look no further than here.

malpascp ( 8 ) -

zMuffinMan

, Zdenek, chkflip, edmund.angles,

GreyICE, David Xanatos, hezlucky

, vezokpiraka
David Xanatos ( 5 ) - mastin2, CSL, sorgster, Amrun, warriormode

So, unless Mal was seriously THAT much of a town-driven mislynch (remember, three scum alive at that point, with one confirmed scum on the alternative wagon of David--IE, all other members of the David alternative wagon are town), CSL's town. AKA, there's two scum in {Zdenek, chkflip, Edmund, Vezok}. You know my first two, obviously.

In the order
Zdenek
Edmund
...And not sure on chk/Vezok.

[mastin2]

BTW, by my count, there's 49 votecounts so far. Might do some VCA, but for now, let's look at wagon peaks in ISO.

Skipping the Me-wagon; that's been done to death.

Tomie Uzumaki ( 5 ) -

mastin2, Empking

, Bowser,

Pine

, chkflip

I'm kinda having a hard time accepting that this was an all-town wagon.

hiplop ( 5 ) - Maxous, Torqez, Hirarky,

Toon Fighter

,

paupam's rat

We have confirmation that the scum are willing to vote back-to-back.

hiplop ( 9 ) -

Maxous, Torqez, Hirarky

,

Toon Fighter

,

paupam's rat

,

GreyICE

, Bowser, vezokpiraka,

malpascp

Wagon of 9 can have either two or three. I'm not sure which, though. If it's two, Bowser/CSL and Vezok are confirmed town. I'll be looking into this wagon. See what I think, since determining whether the scum were extremely interested in it is important.

Bowser ( 6 ) - MintKitten, edmund.angles, Empking, zMuffinMan, Hirarky, chkflip

No way is this all town. Between Mint, Edmund, and chk, there's 1/2 scum guaranteed. I don't think their names can be removed. Which--if true--would mean that I've got all I need for the day: a lynch pool of Zdenek, Edmund, and chk. But there's that small risk, that there's only one scum instead of two. Looking at all the votes...

hiplop ( 6 ) - Maxous, Torqez, Toon Fighter, paupam's rat, vezokpiraka, malpascp
Bowser ( 6 ) - MintKitten, edmund.angles, Empking, zMuffinMan, Hirarky, chkflip
mastin2 ( 2 ) - Tomie Uzumaki, Phoebus
Tomie Uzumaki ( 2 ) - mastin2, Pine
zMuffinMan ( 2 ) - somerandomguy, hiplop
Toon Fighter ( 2 )- GreyICE, warriormode

Two scum on Hiplop, back to back. For Vezok to be scum, it'd require three scum to have grouped themselves together. I'm almost ready to call him town for that.
One scum in the (2) voters, with pretty much everyone else confirmed town by now.

That pretty much means there HAS to be two scum on Bowser. (By my count, there's only one person not voting, and if memory serves, they should be alive [I count seven people alive with a vote shown, and there are eight alive right now], so I suppose it's possible whoever this is would be scum, but that doesn't seem that likely.)

...Who was it?

Oh, right, Bowser.


The walls are closing in.

Bits and pieces of evidence, here and there.
"It can't be Bowser/CSL, due to this."
"It has to be one of chk and Bowser due to this."
"It can't be Vezok, due to this."
"It has to be one of Vezok and chk, due to this."


I'm seeing a trend here. Not something rock-solid, but something which is indicating that Vezok and CSL are town.

And if I'm right, if that's what the evidence is telling me, then it's chk who remains in the lynch pool, with Zdenek and Edmund.



Granted, I still think Zdenek is scum, and Edmund's my pick for second scum, but if I'm wrong about one of them, it looks a lot like chk is the most logical choice, when compared to Vezok and CSL.

I'll finish this later. I'm a bit sleepy, right now, so probably not fully coherent, might not be thinking that well.

[mastin2]

Haven't finished my analysis, yet, but on doing some review:
-Zdenek and Edmund can't both be scum. Multiple pieces of evidence suggest this.
-Said pieces of evidence DO, however, suggest ONE of them HAS to be scum.
Zdenek is obviously the larger of my two suspicions.

-chk/Uprising seems to have a lot of early evidence pointing to them being scum.
(Though, admittedly, I'm kinda hoping he's not, for purely selfish reasons. I stopped his lynch on Day Three; I really don't want to have defended scum like that...
......again. )

Still workin', so I'll see what I dig up.

[mastin2]

I just realized something.

GreyICE's powers effectively push lylo back to be a day later.

So, we have an extra mislynch.

So, we have four lynches instead of three.

So,

Unvote, Vote: Vezok

.

No harm in this.

[mastin2]

See, edmund? Things like that are why people have been calling you scum from day one. Point 2-->fearmongering, and if you really believe that a GI kill would make a difference, you're not taking in part of the equasion which I have.
Point 1-->we are. With four lynches instead of three, we can afford to have four suspects instead of three. In other words, Zdenek, you, chkflip, AND Vezok are all on the chopping block. There's only ONE assumption which needs to be made, and that's Bowser/CSL being town, an assumption I am happy to make.

[mastin2]

...That was the hammer.

During the night, I'm going to try something.

PART ONE: VCA, of all votecounts. Both official and my unofficial ones.
(NOTE: Also take into consideration previous Mastin-Notes about votecounts, including the need to look at the wagon in question and gather more evidence around those circumstances. That'll suck, but will hopefully be worth it.)

PART TWO: ISO of the scum players--Toon, Lew, Pappums, and Amrun. (Phoebus is left out, since his posts were all essentially Mastin-hate.)

PART THREE: Looking at the evidence from the viewpoints of CSL if he were town, chkflip if he were town,

and Vezok if he were town

(no longer necessary, since he was just lynched), since both Parts One and Two are obviously by default my perspective. By looking at these viewpoints equally, I can help show you via process of elimination and deductive reasoning exactly who is scum.


This...will take a while.

But since we just went into night, apparently I have the time.

[mastin2]

Some elaboration: If Vezok does flip scum, his name will be added to the list of scum players. (I typed that up mostly before the hammer, with only a couple minor edits.)

Part Three is an interesting experiment. By doing it, I'm hoping to remove personal bias from the equasion. To make sure what I'm saying isn't biased from the knowledge I'm town. It'll also be looking into the perspectives of CSL and chkflip, and seeing what they'd see. If one of their viewpoints makes less sense as town, it's a huge strike against them. And/or, if the other viewpoints point to it being one of them, it's more condemning.

For instance, there WERE going to be four viewpoints. If 3/4 viewpoints suggested one player was scum, versus 2/4 viewpoints saying another player is more likely to be scum, the 3/4 would be more likely to be accurate.


Since this is a new tactic, I have no clue how well it'll work, but it's definitely worth a try, if the end result is conclusive.



...Though I just thought of something--this kinda becomes unnecessary if Vezok DOES flip scum, since Zdenek is most likely scum as well. So, for purely selfish reasons (being, I want to do this analysis since it seems cool), I'm kinda hoping Vezok flips town.

[mastin2]

Awesome. Four down, one to go. I'll do the analysis just for the heck of it, but we all pretty much know what the conclusion will be.

Also, remaining scum, if you want the SK dead, kill them yourselves, 'less you fear they're NK-immune. 'Cause everyone except your last remaining member+GreyICE is a suspect, with no ties to anyone except for their nightkills which we don't know and which you only have a semi-good idea of.

[mastin2]

You know, it might become valuable again if I expand it to include Zdenek and Edmund's viewpoints as well, even though I didn't originally intend to.

More work, but hey. Potentially more rewarding.

[mastin2]

BTW, details Vezok accidentally revealed:
-GI is town (we knew this, obviously)
-Sorgster is town (we suspected this)
-I am not Mafia (He thinks I'm the SK, and therefore knows I'm not his buddy)
-The scum killed Warrior. (They think I might be the SK, 'cause they blocked me N3, apparently. Which means that the missing kill isn't a scumkill.)

[mastin2]

VOTE: Zdenek. This need not be explained.

[mastin2]

VOTE: Zdenek. This need not be explained.

What happened to all those super cool things you said you were going to do?

Half-finished. Didn't want to waste the time and effort on them if I was going to be NK'd. Now that I know I'm alive, I can finish them and know they won't go to waste.

If I worked on it solidly, probably could finish within six or so hours. Considering I'm an eternal procrastinator and a known slacker, I'll probably finish within 24-48.

[mastin2]

BTW,

Reason One Mastin Is Town:

Iso Phoebus. It's all Mastin-Hate.

Reason Two Mastin Is Town:

Look at the voters. Edmund and Zdenek. Who I've been calling scum...oh, yeah, for days. Since day one, in Edmund's case.

Reason Three Mastin Is Town:

Oh btw. I think there is a stupid SK left.

Kill him too please. He killed too many scum.

It might mastin because we blocked him night 3

.

Scum can't block other scum, so unless you think I'm (A) the SK or that (B) Vezok had the competency level necessary to fake this, I'm town.

Reason Four Mastin Is Town:

I've been too wrong to be scum.

Now, back to work.

[mastin2]

You want me to go?

Tch. Such a waste. I mean, I'm only the most powerful role in this game. You know, the role I've been hinting at since day one.

The role with the greatest chance of toppling scum.

The role where instinct and intuition are more vital than anywhere else. The role where using your voice and your vote is more important than any action taken at night. Yes, I am THAT role, the role which I love the most.

Of course, it really shoulda been obvious I was this role. I've had no fear of being NK'd. I've had no fear of being lynched, basically shrugging off the laughable attempts to do so. Yes, it is such a nice role, to be able not to fear such things. I slacked off on pretty much every night (defaulting to "action: sleep"), I believe (though I'd need to cross-reference the dates of the posts to see if any were made during nights to be sure), except for Night Five, where my chosen action was, naturally, "analyze: all".

Yes, it truly is a waste to have made me claim first, since no claim can topple mine. Nothing can change the magnificence of what I managed to draw, nothing can stop the sheer joy I got when I realized exactly what I was, and thanked Neruz for giving me my favorite role. (I did thank you, didn't I, Neruz? Coulda sworn I PM'd you back with a "thank you for giving me my favorite role".)

Nothing can truly match just how awesome my role is, and no claim will be better made than mine. (Hence, why it is such a waste to go first.) The role I knew I would be able to use most effectively, and use it well I did.

Yes, for those of you who haven't figured it out by now (how the heck couldn't you have?!?), what I'm saying, what I am is...

Claim: Vanilla Townie

.

(You were expecting something else? )

[mastin2]

I'd prefer it to be Zdenek-->Edmund-->chk-->CSL, by the way.
So, Zdenek, your turn.

[mastin2]

My claim? *points to epic paragraphs*. Typed in a hurry, no less, since I had just suffered a power outage and had less than five minutes to get a post in before my internet would die.

Zdenek's claim?

I'm a VT.

CSL next.

See, this is why I should've gone last. (Everything just seems so...anticlimatic...after my claim.)

[mastin2]

Yup. Chk, you just claimed SK. Not mafia--your play doesn't fit with being mafia; it doesn't add up, interactions (from memory) don't seem right, and I kinda find it hard to believe mafia would create a claim that desperate to avoid being killed by the SK.

As an SK, however, it makes perfect sense to me. As such, I'm not switching my vote--we're trying to lynch the last mafia today. Which is zdenek.

Spoiler: Response To GreyICE

I've... I literally have nothing. My only thought is these are Mastin kills, since they're so fucking awful only Mastin would do this as non-town.

I'll have to do an ISO of myself to see what I've said on all the kills. This is all I could find in my Quicktopic.

Empking (Town Watcher) has died! <--Obv-vig. No scum player'd shoot Empking.
Hiraki (Townie) has died! <--Town enough, so has a fair chance of being the scum kill. It is, however, possibly a safe-SK kill.
NanookTheWolf (Townie) has died! <--Looks like a mercy-SK kill.

hiplop (Townie) has died!
lewarcher82 (Mafia Goon) has died!

I personally wouldn't kill hiplop as scum--he was confirmed town to me, but as shown by the Maxous and Mal mislynches, confirmed town to ME is not confirmed town to the TOWN. I obviously wouldn't have been able to shoot lew if I were the last scum, and as an SK, at this point in the game, I'd have no way of knowing there was a vig in the game, and therefore would shoot like one: AKA, I'd target one of my scum suspects N1. I believe the list was {Tomie, Edmund, GreyICE, ?, ?} (I don't remember who the other two were off the top of my head).

So, can't be the SK due to this, though I suppose you could go for the theoretical I-was-scum-who-shot-someone-that-was-confirmed-town-to-ME.

Empking (Town Watcher) has died!
Hiraki (Townie) has died!
NanookTheWolf (Townie) has died!

Even on day two, there was no way for me-as-scum or me-as-SK to know there were three NK's. I did speculate Day Two that scum kill was blocked, hiplop was an SK kill, and lew the vig kill, but this was the first actual proof of there being three killers. Hiraki was a town-read of mine; I would not have shot him as scum (he was primed as a GI-lead mislynch, if memory serves), nor would I have shot a townread as an SK. Meaning for me to be scum/SK, I'd have to shoot Empking (SK--no way would I shoot the guy I was intending to [mis]lynch the next day as scum!) or Nanook. Nanook would be a Mercy Kill regardless of SK or Scum, and would be a safe kill for either.

tl;dr, if I had a shooting power, I could only be scum if it were Nanook, though if I were the SK, it could be Nanook or Empking.

warriormode (Townie) has died!
zMuffinMan (Town Vigilante) has died!

Muffin's obviously a scum kill. I suppose this does fit with me-as-scum shooting Muffin, since Muffin was near the top of my town-reads. Warrior's either the SK or Vig kill. By now, the SK could kill whoever they want to, but they probably were aware by now that they couldn't get away with a vig claim, making this far more likely to be a vig shot than an SK-shot. Though Mastin-as-SK might have done it, anyway, since warrior was in my neutral list, perfect place to shoot.

hezlucky (Town Bodyguard) has died!
Amrun (Mafia Jailkeeper) has died!

I read this to mean that Hez died protecting someone and that he took Amrun down with him, not even thinking about the SK at the time. But it's probably more likely that Hez protected someone successfully, keeping them from death, and that this person was the scum NK. If Hez was simply shot instead of protecting someone as I assumed, well, then once more, it theoretically fits with me, since Hez was my strongest living townread at the time. Amrun obviously would be the SK-NK. Again, it does fit with mastin-as-SK shooting a neutral-leaning-scum-read, since the SK wanted scum dead just as much as town by that point.

sorgster (Townie) has died!

I can't see how sorgster could be a mastin-as-SK-kill. I can't rationalize it in any way. I'd still be aiming for scum, yet sorgster was one of only two people I knew wasn't. (The other being GreyICE.) If it were a Mastin-kill, it'd have to be Mastin-As-Scum, since I said it myself: Scum should be shooting for the SK, and the ONLY person cleared of being the SK was GreyICE, so even sorgster would be a suspect. Though that does beg the question as to why I wouldn't shoot CSL or chk (especially the latter), since they've both had far more questionable behavior than sorgster (especially the latter). I-as-scum obviously couldn't shoot either zdenek or edmund, since I-as-scum would be framing them as the last scum, preferably entering 3P lylo with one-or-both of them.

Is that a fair analysis of myself? (I think I did that as objectively as I could.) I think it paints a pretty clear I-Am-Not-SK picture. And in my mind, it's possible-but-a-stretch to see I-Am-Last-Scum by the NKs. 'Course, when you throw in the analysis of the scum ISOs (working on it, okay?), it becomes pretty clear I'm not.

As for this...

his horrid waffling, the way he moves back and forth, like a tree.

I know you've complained about me being the opposite--stubbornly holding on. Was that earlier in this game, or way back in TWBBS? Would you prefer I go back to grounded-solidly? (I find it's actually more fun this way, and more pro-town overall.)

CSL is town if chkflip is town (also my fucking god that's not the case). I don't really see him as the SK in any case.

Yeah, pretty sure CSL's town. He doesn't look like an SK, and his overall play doesn't really look like scum.

Why shoot Amrun if you have a scum read on her? Push her lynch day 5, commute or do whatever it is you do on odd nights, and enjoy.

There's... it has to be mastin. Anyone else would not WIFOM themselves so badly, and just shoot townie players. It's mastin who is going to figure 'oh scum is getting too strong, lets shoot Amrun.'

Actually, I think any player as an SK would shoot Amrun, for that very reason--scum were too strong. Still had three alive, approaching lylo danger levels. SKs can sometimes be endgamed by scum, so they want to get down to no more than one scum alive. If two town players had died that night, it'd have been 3/8 scum alive and 4/8 town alive--meaning, we'd have to lynch scum that day or the SK'd get endgamed. The SK had to shoot someone they thought was scum, no matter who. 'Course, you're right; it does fit as me. I've pretty clearly demonstrated above how I'd think as the SK. But as mentioned, it doesn't fit.

[mastin2]

Okay, well lets play with the fact that it's a gambit. Both sides lost their protectors.

Why was there only one NK last night instead of two?

I'd claim but it's not my turn.

^Why would a weak cop want to claim first? They could potentially trap scum with a counter-claim.

[mastin2]

Not to mention, desperate flailing, trying to get GreyICE onto me, overall scummy play, overdefensiveness...


Ah, screw that. No way is chk town; he's scum of SOME sort.

Unvote, VOTE: chkflip.

[mastin2]

So I could claim my targets and clear them.

How could I catch scum with a counter-claim? Who fucking claims hider as scum?

The fact that you're saying this proves that you're not a hider, since hiders instinctively know exactly what's wrong with this picture. Heck, anyone who's seen a hider, or heck, anyone who's played as a cop, knows exactly what the issue here is.

And anyone who's faked a cop claim of some sort knows exactly why this is one.

[mastin2]

Alright. So assuming chk and CSL are town, that really makes things simple, no?

Six alive. GreyICE is confirmed town. CSL is obvious-town, confirmed-town if chk is truthful about his claim. chk's claim sucks, but GreyICE makes a good argument about balance. (It might be worth looking into Neruz's first modded game, see what he had there.) That leaves three suspects, no?

Myself, Edmund, and Zdenek.
For the position of Serial Killer and Mafia.
So, from each of our three perspectives, the other two are confirmed scum, correct? Well...

I have to think more.
UNVOTE: mastin

Guess who just unvoted?

The conclusion I reached was a rather simple one, through easy deductive reasoning. That the lynch pool had shrunk to three names, myself among them.
Edmund should've realized this, too. And kept his vote on me.

The fact that he unvoted means he just admitted to being scum of some kind.

UNVOTE: chkflip, VOTE: Edmund.angles.

[mastin2]

So, doing the math.
Five alive going into night, with either the final scum or the SK dead via Edmund's huge scumslip.

Chk can afford to hide. He announces his hide target--it must be either me or Zdenek.

If chkflip dies and the remaining scum kills someone else, three will be left alive and we know that he hid behind scum. If he hides behind me and I am shot, then two deaths during the night = 3 alive, and Zdenek just shot the only person not confirmed town.

Either way, guaranteed win. Awesome.

[mastin2]

Two scum, we've already lost; what the heck, might as well do what we want. (I worked it out last night, and realized that no matter what, if we have both an SK and a Scum Player, town couldn't win unless one of them cross-killed last night.) And as I said in the QT, the order of play in this game regardless of their actual alignments was GreyICE > CSL > chkflip > Zdenek. And if it doesn't matter WHO we vote and it's game over anyway, I'll take the chance to leave a final "Screw You" to Zdenek.

One scum, and we know it can't be chkflip or CSL. Therefore, it objectively has to be either myself or Zdenek.

And subjectively, I obviously know that it's not me.



Tl;dr?


There's no situation in where I don't do this.

VOTE: Zdenek.

[mastin2]

Yup. Zdenek is scum.

If he were town, he would've realized there was one situation.
One.

Where both he and I could be town, without there being two scum:


If chkflip was scum, faking hider. CSL's cleared no matter what, of course (unless you go for the whole "CSL and chkflip are both scum, of different kinds" theory, in which case, it's still game over, scum win no matter what I do), but chkflip is only "cleared" by game balance and his play fits very well for an SK.

I thought of that scenario FIRST. I concluded it was extremely doubtful at best, due to the whole game balance thing, but still, it was my first thought. To look at my scumread of Zdenek and think if he was scum as I thought. If Zdenek was town, it would have been his as well. He'd have looked for any scenario in which I wasn't scum, and at least considered it, trying to make me consider a situation where he wasn't scum. Especially since I laid down a vote on him, first. Especially since I said there was no situation in which Zdenek wouldn't be my vote.


Instead, he flat-out decided to 1V1 me, exactly as I thought scum would.

He fell into the trap.

Confirm VOTE: Zdenek.

[mastin2]

Vote Mastin

Look at the BS he's posting all game, then imagine that it is anyone else. That person would have been strung up long ago.

You can also look at this. He's basically calling for a lynch on me...not because he thinks I'm scum...

...But essentially on policy. A mylo-Policy-Lynch.


...Yeah......

[mastin2]

You haven't read my sig, have you?

I'm retiring not because I want to stop playing, but because of games like this and Sexy Sedilla, among others.

http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/RueC5ERwChDc <--My QT, for all its lousy 'glory'.