PYP 5: Democracy Ho! (Game)

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Vote: Nocmen

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Don't think it's worth it.

As we run scummy people up to claim over the next few Days, we might catch scum in a lie regardless and it seems to me that the type of scum that has good long-term survival prospects has probably made sure they can claim some townie-looking bids (quite possibly by simply making townie-looking bids).

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Unvote, vote: Maruchan

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Maruchan had better be scum.

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Oh snap.

Vote: Maruchan

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Fate was confirmed town by virtue of being easy to read.

Maruchan had better be scum.

Doesn't Seraphims instance give you any pause? I feel like I'm being played here and see no reason to rush.

I think Seraphim is town.

P.S. Parama, this is par for the course for chambertown.

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OMGUS FoS: Vifam

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If Maru's scum, chamber is town.

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Am I the only one getting bad vibes from CES? This town is chock full of Sheeple (Including me I guess) but his sheeping seems very under the radar.

I only sheep Glrok.

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Vote: Nocmen

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Vote: David Xanatos

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Sweet! Chamber gets a hopefully quicklynchfree Day to read me.

The reason I think Sera is town is his ignorance of the Vanilla Vig. That seems like a role that scum would definitely consider getting and put at least 1 towards. #64 strikes me as a little too obvious, honestly.

P.S. chamber, do you agree that if I were scum, I'd've made sure I could kill you?

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Katsuki is a teensy bit townie.
Parama is townie.
Elli is lurkerscum.

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If Juls flips scum we're massclaiming.

Explain this to me first. Then I'll answer.

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And you were prepared to risk it based on that? I wouldn't be, especially given that scum would have had plenty of time to discuss what to claim. You're also assuming Julsscum would be aware of whether mass claim is a good strategy here.

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Not going to let you play the RVS card here for various reasons. I don't particularly care if you were prepared to go through with it.

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Maybe I'm underestimating my own notoriety, but I think in this player list I'd have been a safe n1 kill nine times out of 10. You have already said scum had motivation to make townie looking picks. Those 2 things together stop your statement from being a given.

Yeah, I suppose you're right.

Vote: Nocmen

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Why don't we limit the claims to whom everyone targetted? Gives the scum distinctly less info.

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Why don't we limit the claims to whom everyone targetted? Gives the scum distinctly less info.

There wasn't a kill
Claiming targets will allow scum to go, "Oh, so-and-so targeted our failed kill target" or "Oh, so-and-so targeted our killer" and figure out role info that way.

So they'll know a teensy bit more than we do. Big deal. (I suspect the kill target was either chamber or gandalf anyhow, so odds are we'll know it too.)

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*raises hand*

We really can't go through one Day without a quicklynch, huh.

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Play in Paramaless games?

Any other questions while I'm around?

Not really. We're going to ignore you once you're dead anyway.

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But only scum are concerned about looking town, right? Shouldn't I be more concerned with hunting scum?

I don't try to look town while playing, but I've been tweaking my playstyle a bit to communicate my townieness better (which seems to be working somewhat). Having people read you as town is pretty valuable.

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Daykilling scum.

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Boy I wish I had been able to do that. But someone took the daykill and used it to kill probably one of our best town assets. Sorry about that.

Bidding 85 for the Daykill may not have been the smartest move by the bye. Just asking to be outbid.

Useful piece of advice: have an early join date.

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6) spend most points as you would normally so you can claim pretty much truthfully, coordinating with the scum team to make sure the bids are spread out. You can probably spare 20 points or so to try to get useful scum-oriented roles and then lie about how you used these.

David having the gunsmith is interesting; his claim to have bid for both main vigs is also interesting.

I doubt he did though. Seems like a waste of points (and it was 100% safe to claim).

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*gasp*

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Sweet.

Vote: Hoopla

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He spent 97.

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Admirable amount of effort from Hoopls. She's still scum tho'.

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I bid 4 on Neighborizer A, 3 on Neighborizer B, 3 on Neighborizer C, 3 on Neighborizer D, 3 on Role-Cop A, 3 on Role-Cop B, 3 on Roleblocker A, 3 on Roleblocker B, 3 on Tracker A, 3 on Tracker B, 4 on Doctor A, 4 on Doctor B, 3 on Self-Doctor, 3 on Vigilante, 3 on Day Vigilante, 4 on Vanilla Vigilante, 3 on Cop, 4 on Jailkeeper, 3 on Watcher, 4 on Self-Watcher, 4 on Bodyguard, 3 on Paranoid Gun Owner, 3 on White Mage, 4 on Weak Doctor, 4 on Redirector, 3 on Gunsmith, 3 on Fruit Vendor, 3 on Strongman, 3 on Neighbor Spy, 4 on Power Deleter.

I got Vanilla Vigilante, Redirector and Neighbor Spy. Haven't used any of them so far.

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It's Vifam's turn now.

Mod

, could you prod Vifam?

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We're at odds. There's no point to me vigging.

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We're at an odd number of players. Vigging Kats would cost us a lynch.

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^those are dumb bids

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The difference is that yours are actually dumb, Reck. I mean, I did calculations to see how well my strategy'd do on average and the results are pretty much in line with my predictions whereas you wasted 70 on silly Cop and Dayvig bids.

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Unvote

we can use my power deleter + CES's vanilla vig to vig whoever we want

Pre-edit: nope, doesn't work.

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Yeah, not going to kill Katsuki. Exchanging a vig for a lynch seems really pointless when I could potentially use it to confirm myself in a 1 scum scenario.

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I think that was 7, but might as well:

Vote: Hoopla

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I would totally shoot my partner.

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In the abstract, you wouldn't if he was your only buddy left.

Fairly sure I still would.

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Hoopla was caught. Why would she tell the truth about anything, Ludi?

Be right back, reading Elli-Hoopla qt.

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I've got access to Elli-Hoopla and Hoopla is dead. I think you can figure it out from here.

Reading that qt makes me feel much much better about Elli (it helps that she actually posted in there!). I don't believe they faked all of that, especially with Elli's inactivity being an easy excuse for a short neighbor qt.

Vote: Nocmen

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NEIGHBOR SPY, THE SCUMHUNTER'S COP. MUAHAHA

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Yarr. It wasn't nearly as interesting.

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A psychic duck. (Not sure why you think I would lie about this.)

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Give us a flip, Spyspy.

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We're not going to lynch a claimed vanilla, silly. Who am I going to use my Vanilla Vig on then?

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<--- got Katsuki killed by using his redirector.

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Yup. Scum tend to shoot at claimed protective roles.

Vote: Vifam

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Parama - so many missed kills makes me think he is town and does have the strongman

Well, we know he has the strongman per Nocmen. He's somewhat more likely to be gambitting than gandalf, I think.

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Redirector, switching Juls and Katsuki.

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and do you get access to new qt's also or only old.

Fairly sure I don't.

Weird that it's called a redirector and not a bus driver here.

Yeah. I suspect the scum didn't even realize I could busdrive.

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Yeah. I don't think they'll believe me if I call you confirmed town. Odds are the scum team is Vifam-Zdenek anyway.

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If scum had killed Katsuki, that would've been really weird though.

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Yarr!

Re-read the neighbor qt. The post-Hoopladeath post feels kinda slimy, but I still very much believe Elli's town. Interestingly, Hoopla called gandalf's early posts scummy. I also totally see gandalf killing Reck last Night to remove the "gandalf townflip clears Reck" incentive to lynch gandalf.

Vote: gandalf

I am obviously town to any one who is reading because of interactions with both Hoopla and DX, so unvote me now you clowns.

Do elaborate.

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You should always sheep the Neighbor Spy.

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He died before we stopped quicklynching, sadly. He was slightly suspicious of me at the end, I think (fairly sure it was due to me being on the Maruchanwagon). I really considered using the Redirector on him the Night he died just to ensure he'd live another (hopefully quicklynchfree) Day, but I decided it was too unlikely in the end considering how useful the Redirector can be.

If I were scum, I'd've killed him N2 using the Redirector as a impromptu Strongman though.

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Zdenek: did the arguments presented in thread convince you mass claim was bad?

Should have the thread read by tomorrow or idk depends on how lazy i feel. do i need to put effort in or is this mostly ez mode?

Depends on who the scum are.

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Faraday, don't listen to Parama. I'm the only one who has access to the Elli-Hoopls transcripts. He's town.

CES, does it bother you that you are able to get a read on Elli from his participation in the neighbour QT considering the amount that he posted in the game?

Not really. Strikes me as a bad strategy for scums. Beyond the fact that you're relying on a Neighbor Spy targetting you, why would you force the majority of your posts to be interactions with a buddy? I totally see Ellitown getting 3 Neighborizers and just talking in QTs for most of the game.

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But he's also the last vanilla viggable suspect.

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It occurs to me that if I were scum, a townlynch today would allow me to win overnight by using the vanilla vig to get 2 kills (this doesn't work if Zdenek were my partner, but that just goes to show that a scum team with a vanilla vig wouldn't've killed Reck). Given how easy it would've been to push either Elli or Zdenek as Today's lynch, this should confirm me, methinks.

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Juls got targetted for the nightkill N5. I don't think you'd pretend to forget that as scum.

Let's

unvote, vote: Zdenek

. The vanilla viggability isn't that relevant given what I just said.

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Because Hoopls told me he was?

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EBWOP: told

him

he was.

Which was in response to #799.

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That's a lynch.

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CES, when you changed your avatar, you became a different person to me. I respected Hypno.

I don't care in the slightest! Nibbler rocks.

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I shouldn't've mentioned the vanilla vig thing confirming myself that early. I had my suspicions of the ML slot but I figured treating them as conftown might get them killed off before that would become relevant. Faraday twinged my gut too. I should've made sure to give my reads before I died; didn't adjust to being confirmed.

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I'd love to know why we lynched Zdenek
Elli was still a better lynch and I wouldn't have pushed a Zdenek lynch at LyLo soooo

I underestimated Gandalf's cluelessness.

And goddammit, Parama, Elli was never a good lynch. I'd rather have lynched you; that would've solved that problem just as efficiently.

Bids of 3 across the board won't have too much effect, it's really just wasting money.. people are extremely likely to throw at least 5 on a few lesser powers, just as a backup..

Haha. Do the math, sucker. IT WORKS.