Mini 1219 - Bedtime Stories Mafia - Game Over!

[Banshee]

As I said, I think my definition may vary from that of others. I think town is more likely to be suspicious and express that suspicion on minor causes, while scum would not wish to express suspicion on relatively small grounds due to the possibility that they will be perceived as trying to push a mislynch on minimal evidence.

[implosion]

Before we go on, I'd like to make one thing crystal clear.

Regardless of whether I live or die, if we mislynch today, we are lynching tomorrow.

[implosion]

Paranoia can come from town or scum when they're both put in a situation where, in essence, there is no certainty.

The

only

things that players in the game state can be completely, un-paranoidly sure about are:
-Flips (and then only because this is a normal game)
-people alive (ditto above)
-my alignment (and only because of mod-confirmation).
And possibly a few other inconsequential things, like who's voting who.

I could be paranoid that EB is scum (i'm not, but I'm sure other players would be in this situation). I could be paranoid that thomith is scum (which i am to a very, very minor extent which i am suppressing). Scum could be paranoid about being jailkept (hence a no-kill) for example. Or they could (in theory) be paranoid that a town member is lying about their role (which would be stupid but i digress). And more importantly, scum can obviously fake town paranoia.

[implosion]

Banshee: explain how precisely you came to this:

Vote: Neruz

from this:

So I'm announcing my intent of sheeping Implosion because he seems to have a better, more objective handle on the game than I do. I'll help with whatever cases and stuff but I don't want to trust my own judgment here because if I'm wrong we could lose.

[implosion]

also, EB fossing banshee is honestly

pretty much

only thing right now that's keeping me from just declaring thomith/banshee town and lynching neruz/elli.

[Banshee]

Banshee: explain how precisely you came to this:

Vote: Neruz

from this:

So I'm announcing my intent of sheeping Implosion because he seems to have a better, more objective handle on the game than I do. I'll help with whatever cases and stuff but I don't want to trust my own judgment here because if I'm wrong we could lose.

Because you don't seem certain either.

If Elli is town, and we lynch him today, then you'll be nightkilled and I'll be lynched tomorrow. That's a town lose. Neruz and EB have already set it up (quote available on request). I see no way you're going to be alive tomorrow to change anyone's minds either.

If I'm going to be lynched tomorrow regardless, at least I should vote the person I think most likely to be scum today. But THIS is why I was arguing so strongly to be lynched TODAY. Because if we lynch Elli and he's town, we've lost. At least by tomorrow you'd have the nightkill to go off and you'd be between two people I know MIGHT be scum. Right now from MY perspective it is LYLO right here unless you lynch me TODAY and not tomorrow. Yeah, ideally I wouldn't be lynched at all and if Elli is scum that's great. But if we don't lynch scum today then I'm the lynch for tomorrow and we lose.

Do you see what I mean by this?

So if you can say, yes, I'm SURE Elli is the scum (not just a plurality, but a clear majority of certainty) then I'll sheep you, implosion. Otherwise I have to try to prevent our loss tomorrow by voting for who *I* think is scum today.

[implosion]

I'm

nearly

sure that scum is either neruz or elli... I am not sure that scum is elli.

banshee. do you realize why i'm asking you to lynch tomorrow even if i die? there's a very specific reason.

[Banshee]

Okay. If we lynch Elli today, and you are killed tonight, it is me, Thomith, EB and Neruz. I can understand people arguing for a no-lynch because they think it will allow EB to clear someone. But it really doesn't matter who EB jailkeeps because scum won't kill and then it will be the next day and we'll be no further along...

If you think that EB is possibly scum then you would want to lynch tomorrow for sure. Because EB could be framing me today and then put in a kill after claiming to jailkeep Neruz, thus framing me effectively on the day after too.

But EB is not likely to be scum given the setup and the power roles as they have been presented. So no, I don't know why you would insist on a lynch tomorrow.

Sorry

[implosion]

today is day five. tonight is night five. tomorrow is day six. if we lynch tomorrow and today and there's a nightkill tonight. we'd be going into night 6 with 3 people alive. If EB is alive, one of those people will be a person who can stop the nightkill.

[implosion]

alternatively, i'm alive and we lynch because (obviously) if we don't then i die.

[Ellibereth]

hi sorry
I've been lazy as fuck this game because of the meta element which I knew was going to be a pain in the ass.
We can talk about TOMORROW after we decide on a lynch guys.
So we can have no tomorrow and all that.
ok
so
Banshee
Neruz
Thomith

Banshee
I think she's town. Think as in very certain.
willingness to die.
Acknowledgement of it and all that.
ummmmm, posting tons of crap when lazytown/scum would probably not want to.
I'm not really planning on rereading here, since Bullet said he was putting something together and all that but pending whatever mindblowing thing that is I'm staying solid.

Thomith issue.
Me not so confident as all of you.
Banshee: for your most recent Thomithidiot town thing. What I was saying that llama previously described this EXACT process as to what happened in the thread.

A reason for scum to nokill last night is:
A townie will probably get lynched today (unless they were the roleblock target in which case they were going down anyway)
Scum can take out rainbow, then nokill again the next night. Town will have to no-lynch, and then scum can kill EB in peace without generating any conftowns.

I think it works out the same as killing though; town gets to check on or lynch 4 people either way.

With the except of the no lynch today which is suboptimal as hell and all that.
Sooooo, the only question is how obvious was the first no NK.
Which I think is very with people practically going, lolweblockwierdedthennokillthenwin, or something along those lines.
as for the rest of his image...that's meta time, or iso me time. I tihnk i found some contradiction earlier.

Neruz I've also slacked on except for the wierd cult thing and thinking he was scum early when I replaced in.
I'll TRY to get more in before I disappear for weekend and all that but I have to study for SAT's and some point etc.

[Thomith]

wait so we can lynch in mylo and hope EB jails the mafia?

[implosion]

wait so we can lynch in mylo and hope EB jails the mafia?

plus one gold star!

[implosion]

@Mod: Evil Bullet and/or his/its heads need prodding

[Evil Bullet]

Can we lynch Elli first?

[Evil Bullet]

UUUUUUGH but I don't trust you guys to lynch Banshee AFTER Elli.

[implosion]

but banshee is town

[Evil Bullet]

I feel like I'm putting my win on the line for this but I'll trust you guys. I'm like the only one with a scum read on Banshee sooooo... yeah. Let's lynch Elli then and you can figure the hard bit out tomorrow.

unvote, vote: Ellibereth

[Neruz]

I really, really hope Ellibereth flips scum.

[Ellibereth]

ugh you guys.
arfargargaergaergaerg
goddamnit

only advice is to not slash out THomith so fast like you've been doing
banshee is still really town
i don't bullet will come up with any shit for that

a goddamnit I really don't have more time now

WHY BULLET WHY

if grey disappears and shit again I'll try and look for tom night

[Ellibereth]

Evil
seriously
learn to have some patience
you're town and all that shit I know
but
ugh

goddamnit

I'm just pissed I was lynched of all people
when neruz and thomtih are here
and all the passes people get once they look incompetent as hell
and how i couldn't get my schedule together in time

Ok this kinda was my fault but whatever fuckit
good luck and don't count shit out fast and be patient etc.

[Evil Bullet]

unvote, vote: Banshee

I can't let her live through today. She needs to die.

[Evil Bullet]

wait was that a lynch?

[Evil Bullet]

that wasn't a lynch. you're fine, Elli. I kinda think you knew that too.

I NEED INPUT

[Thomith]

If you think he knew that then he would have faked being lynched and seemingly faked being town.