Mini 1219 - Bedtime Stories Mafia - Game Over!


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Post Post #2250 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:03 am

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Implosion - I was super interested in how you used the role, because I've never seen it in action before. Overall, I thought you used it practically perfectly. Early game you generally lurked/were quiet, posting enough so people didn't have a scumread, but generally staying in the background, giving you the status of 'meh, whatever.'

You really moved to the fore day 5, using your mod-confirmed town status to lead the town. Overall, that's one of the best uses of the role I can think of (the ability to become a late-game town leader when other town leaders have been shot) and I have to congratulate you.


Also, I'd like to say this is one town where I actually am proud of the fact that I can't name an MVP. The very long day 1, despite its endless nature, apparently got a very good dynamic working, and no amount of town leader shooting really got this off the ground. Some examples:

RainbowDash was instrumental in moving things forward and spurring discussion, even if his reads weren't the best. Also I really don't understand the EN JK/Bodyguard overlap problem :P (Again, Llamarble will know what I'm talking about when I say bad setup spec can be a disaster). That being said, Rainbow was very willing to listen to others here, and that proved to be solid for moving the town in a good direction.

EvilBullet, on and off, was very good at poking and prodding.

Llamarble really stepped up to the plate with getting Hiphop lynched. I'm reasonably surprised that the Watcher claim went so long. Watcher is a VERY strong town power role, and a weak scum power role. I actually grimaced when Hiphop claimed it - it was there to help counter any IC/JK shenanigans, not to be claimed. In general (mod meta alert) I'm not really going to give scum abilities that exist solely to be fakeclaimed unless it's a very power heavy game. Scum can think of fakeclaims all by themselves.

Thomith and Banshee were both solid in being town-looking, and Beck made a good vig shot (I'd be interested in seeing what he would have done on night 3, but well).

Neruz really stepped up his game in the last few days. Neruz, I'm sorry if you thought this would be a crazy setup. I thought the line about cult leaders and stuff was an obvious joke, given the normal rules, and I didn't actually anticipate anyone taking me seriously.

I wish WeirdVoights had more chance to really get moving, there were some good posts from the hydra, but overall it turned into one of those lurky half-aware hydras.

I was happy that Banshee at least reviewed my FAQ. Based on other mini normals, I've been very disappointed in the level of standardization in roles, and wished to be able to answer questions on the fly, but I didn't want to be stuck in a situation where power roles became obvious due to mod question answering. Therefore, the FAQ is a nice neutral ground. I was also hoping it would give scum ideas for fakeclaiming, but that didn't happen.


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I apologize for the situation day 1 regarding the VoidedMafia vote. That's a separate post.

Ellibereth obviously played very well, and I have to give him props.
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Post Post #2251 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:16 am

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This may have been (probably was) my best town game to date.

There was a kind of strange dynamic that inexplicably worked, especially on day one. The ridiculous number of big wagons without any of them reaching lynch was really strange, but provided a lot of info.
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Post Post #2252 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:20 am

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http://mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php?title=Records

d1 went from post 3 to post 1210: 1207 posts, the fourth largest day in a mini game.
game went from post 3 to post 2222: 2219 posts, the fourth largest mini game to date.
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Post Post #2253 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:20 am

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The Vote Situation


As you may or may not know, this has the honor of being the third longest day 1 in mafia scum mini history (and the fourth longest normal game overall). And simply put, due to unexpected issues week 1, as well as a funeral, I was time crunched.

I discovered that certain things made it very hard to count votes.

http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p3344642
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 5#p3344655
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 2#p3345712

All of these were generally starting to drive me insane. I tried ISOing people and just scrolling up to find their most recent vote, but that resulted in the alphabetic vote count that people didn't like.

I finally had to just change the rules to the votes only counting at the beginning of lines. Since it's fairly standard to vote that way on this site, it didn't seem like a horrid change.


Unfortunately, it directly resulted in Neruz not being lynched as I (accidentally) missed this vote: http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p3369159

The intent to vote was clearly there, but I have also clearly changed the rules. Based on that, I truly didn't see a way to fairly count it as a vote when it was pointed out to me.
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Post Post #2254 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:22 am

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I misplayed the endgame.
I'll probably post the scum qt.
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Post Post #2255 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:24 am

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In post 2250, GreyICE wrote:RainbowDash was instrumental in moving things forward and spurring discussion, even if his reads weren't the best. Also I really don't understand the EN JK/Bodyguard overlap problem :P (Again, Llamarble will know what I'm talking about when I say bad setup spec can be a disaster). That being said, Rainbow was very willing to listen to others here, and that proved to be solid for moving the town in a good direction.


Hey hey... day one I was actually pretty spot on with my reads. Went back between hiphop and VM for most of the time before finally taking the wagon back over to VM. Also was 4/5 with my EoH alliance. My post day one reads usually are not as strong, especially if there is a scum flip for whatever reason. Then again im still shocked I saw a D2.

I just really didn't see a weakened protective role (BG) and a second weakened twice protective role all that likely or even work together that well. This probably was due to me trying to draw somepony at some point into claiming doc because that wouldn't happen but meh.

Encryptor is a good and underused role, glad to see that one.
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Post Post #2256 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:12 pm

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Good game, all. I enjoyed the flavor, GreyICE.

This was my first time hydraing, and it may be my last. At least for the last couple of game days, it really seemed like I was on my own. But I did manage to not post a single time from this account!

That fakehammer
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I really think that hammering scum on Days 1 and 2 should make you obvtown. Even if you're bussing to gain towncred, it's almost impossible to win the game with both your buddies gone right away. Oh well.
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Post Post #2257 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 1:57 pm

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Yeahh I was so heavily useful this game... ^_^
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Post Post #2258 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 2:12 pm

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Why did you miss me btw?
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Post Post #2259 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:00 pm

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This is probably the longest mini ever :|

I am so glad I replaced out, I'd never have been able to keep up with this.
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Post Post #2260 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 5:06 pm

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In post 2259, Parama wrote:This is probably the longest mini ever :|

I am so glad I replaced out, I'd never have been able to keep up with this.

you would have been killed n1 if you didn't
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Post Post #2261 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 6:01 pm

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Hey, i voted Ellibereth way before implosion >:C

Ellibereth was lurking, while that was fine up until now, no sane town should
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Post Post #2262 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 9:23 pm

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Meh.

First fakehammer: worked PERFECTLY...or as near as perfect as Elli and I wanted. Got me out of the hotseat, and got us both townpoints.

2nd fakehammer: ...Dammit.

3rd fakehammer: Oh, fuck it. Not that I really expected the heat to come back to me, but still, I was fairly pissed.

Still, my sincerest apologies about the 2nd fakehammer, Grey. I think I'll try to keep my votes on a single line from now on.
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Post Post #2263 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:32 pm

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In post 2261, Neruz wrote:Hey, i voted Ellibereth way before implosion >:C

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Post Post #2264 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:43 pm

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Didn't matter how scummy i was, Ellibereth was lurking.
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Post Post #2265 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 10:43 pm

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In fact, the scummier i was, the better. Much better to have a strong scumread going into lylo than a null read lurker.
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Post Post #2266 (ISO) » Tue Oct 04, 2011 11:06 pm

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In post 2265, Neruz wrote:In fact, the scummier i was, the better. Much better to have a strong scumread going into lylo than a null read lurker.

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Post Post #2267 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 6:44 am

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How does this game compare to the record for overall length?
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Post Post #2268 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 9:23 am

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Fourth, IIRC?
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Post Post #2269 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 4:11 pm

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I had a massive false negative on Elli this game.
Well done by him looking town, but having both buddies go down leaves you in a very difficult position. *remembers multiple personality mafia*


WV, I had to find somebody else scummy and I thought the least town people were you and Neruz.
I realize WV hammered 2 scum but in my last game with bvoigtscum he hammered both buddies, so I didn't put the double bus past him.
And there was lurkiness and funny interactions enough that I got it wrong. Ah well.

Town did really well to lynch voidedscum in spite of me.
And especially to take down Elli after I died.

I totally agree with Grey that a lot of people did different things well and as a team it ended up working.

No need to feel too bad about lynching me; I did get roleblocked on a night with no NK after all.
Also there's the winning afterward part, hehe.
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Post Post #2270 (ISO) » Wed Oct 05, 2011 8:38 pm

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I think that, if I had lived past D1, we would've had more of a chance, especially since I would've been far more active than Elli.

Considering how Hiphop seems to have disappeared (or I'm just not looking for him), it does kinda feel like I'd have been carrying the team alone, tbh.

Still, Elli, your lurking killed you.
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Post Post #2271 (ISO) » Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:28 am

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any chance of the scum QT or did i miss something?
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Post Post #2272 (ISO) » Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:49 am

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Up to scum to release QT.
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Post Post #2273 (ISO) » Thu Oct 06, 2011 4:57 am

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Scum please post the qt
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Post Post #2274 (ISO) » Thu Oct 06, 2011 9:27 am

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Pretty sure Ellli did...

If not, I'll do it after work.
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