Mini 1260 - Last Will Mafia III (Over)

[CooLDoG]

Wow me no speak good english.
I am Fishy's benefactor.

Vote: Whispersilk

What does this exactly do?

vote:chamber

OMGUS!

[CooLDoG]

What does this exactly do?

It means thats who he's passing his vote onto if he dies.

Wait, how do you know this? Its not in the rules.

[CooLDoG]

You are correct. Clarification: both your reasons are correct.

I asked the mod how the will mech works. He said (paraphrase) that once someone has died that received your vote, that vote does not go to the player next on your list. It goes to the first person on the player who got lynched/killed's list.

[CooLDoG]

Amrun, why the need to be so defensive? Seems to me like you are way over-reacting over literally nothing.

Also, I do not have much experience with 9p games. I play mostly 13p games. How many scum are there normally?

[CooLDoG]

Unvote Vote Amrun

Is she normally not sheepish as town?

I don't know what this sentence means.

If you're asking if I sheep, then the answer is sometimes yes. In RVS? Very often.

RVS wagons are great for information.

Even this one on me.

I ain't even mad.

It's not a scumtell at all, actually.

But seeing who is trying to portray it is one ferry interestink.

Unvote Vote Amrun

Is she normally not sheepish as town?

I don't know what this sentence means.

If you're asking if I sheep, then the answer is sometimes yes. In RVS? Very often.

Please don't answer questions not directed at you, its fucking annoying.

Uh, how is that NOT directed at me? a) I have a wiki. It's got plenty of games on it. You're asking about meta. I am perfectly entitled to answer that question. You also don't know who here has played with me before - not that many, actually.

And I want to be able to understand everything in the game, especially questions about me.

Asking in yoda word order are you. Please to be clarifying.

Why not the Amrun wagon? (Why did you capitalize the 'w' in 'wagon'?)

Typo? (Why do you Care?)

Odd Typo, what circumstances would lead to you making such a typo?

Is this a serious question to whispersilk?

But seeing who is trying to portray it is one ferry interestink.

Is that what I did?

[/quote]

I don't know. Is it?[/quote]
Tell me how you posting this is from a non-defensive point of view. You are obviously trying not to get lynched.

[CooLDoG]

I'm feeling Amrun's posting here sounds really off. Since my meta of him is "looks townish as scum", I have no idea what this should make me think.

I didn't realize you were already voting Amrun when I read this earlier. So, you rvs vote her, she then acts in a way that is inconsistent with the scum meta that you have on her, and you choose to keep your vote on her because why?

I was drunk at the time, so my memory of my motivation here is rather hazy. I'm not at all sure how serious this was meant to be - and today it doesn't look a strong point to me. But I'm pretty sure I just couldn't find anywhere else I wanted my vote.

UNVOTE: VOTE: CoolDog
I don't like his point on Amrun being defensive. It's
a) An easy way to paint the target of a wagon as flailing scum, regardless of truth.
b) Not a scumtell.
c) Not particularly true here.

For page two over reacting to silly accusations of scum behavior is a scum tell. At least in my book. Also, don't post while you are drunk.

To be clear, I'm still in the RVS. I don't really see amrun's actions as that fidgety or overly defensive. Though, she is my strongest read. But saying someone is your strongest read in RVS is like saying that "Contagion" is a good movie before you actually see it.

@SV, arde you butt hurt enough to troll vote him

[CooLDoG]

^why is it that everytime someone votes for him they make that remark? I have played/read a few of his games and every time someone votes for him or anybody else with a fish in their avvy or name, they allways say something smells fishy.

[CooLDoG]

For page two over reacting to silly accusations of scum behavior is a scum tell. At least in my book. Also, don't post while you are drunk.

To be clear, I'm still in the RVS. I don't really see amrun's actions as that fidgety or overly defensive. Though, she is my strongest read.

Wait why is amrun still your strongest read if she didn't really do what you said was scummy and why are you downplaying now what you said before about her being so defensive? RVS doesn't cut it, you made non-RVS accusations.

I still find amrun slightly over concerned and skiddy in the RVS stage. As of right now I simply have no other reads. Hence she is my strongest. I'm still not ready to make a serious vote yet.

@fishy, yeah I pushed an easy wagon. Get over it. I would have voted on it if it wouldn't have exposed her to a quick hammer my vote would have flung her to l-1.


I'm actually gonna go catch up on some other stuff and then post some comments about what people have posted so far. Expect content before bedi bye time.

[CooLDoG]

Wow, CooLDoG got lazy after watching community. CooLDoG goes to do his reads now.

[CooLDoG]

Fishy is my benefactor.

I will inevitable die night three, so I trust you will make good use of it.

Why is fishy above SV? At the start of the game are not all players equally likly to be town? Why did you skip down one player slot?

Question: how likely is it for fishy to get lynch bye n2 in your opinion?

Sweet wagon!

unvote, vote... oh wait.

So who wants my vote if I get lynched then?

I'm not so sure this is actually a good idea. It seems too easy for scum to manipulate.

right, once you die, your vote belongs to whoever you willed it to, and then you don't control it any longer - the person who has your vote wills it (along with any other vote they control) to whoever is on their list when they die.

P.s. fishy you were already first on my will

Again, I find this sorta odd. I personally just copy and pasted the player list at the start of the day. I do not understand why someone would later that list at the start.

Question: Rank how likely is it for fishy to get lynch bye n2 in your opinion?

Unvote, Vote: Amrun

It's a good vote.

Why the hop? Don't try to use "I wanted to be on a bigger wagon" defense. Because there were bigger wagons at this point.

Unvote Vote Amrun

Is she normally not sheepish as town?

Again, why the unvote?

Why not the Amrun wagon? (Why did you capitalize the 'w' in 'wagon'?)

Specifically, why the Amrun wagon over another wagon that was already built up?

I'm feeling Amrun's posting here sounds really off. Since my meta of him is "looks townish as scum", I have no idea what this should make me think.

What is off. Don't just say its fishy. God, you guys have got me saying it too. But seriously, what is off?

Only if its relevant.

How can captilization be relevant? Honestly? Is this what scum hunting has come to?

My Dearest Darling Amrun --

I am wounded -- nay,

fatally

wounded -- to the very core of my being that you don't realize that we've played many, many games together.

Don't expect the roses this year for your birthday.

Love, SV




chamber: jfc, for god's sake DROP THE FUCKING TYPO THING. You're getting annoying. Moreso than usual. And my tolerance is fairly high, actually. Just. Shut. Up.


Darox: hate your avatar. Give you a dollar to change it.

Fishy: Drunkposting FTW. Are you scum?


Rhinox: I expect your vote to be willed to me.

Wait... What are your current reads? Don't just spew no content on page 3 (woops, did I do that?).

[quote="In post 53Fishy: Drunkposting FTW. Are you scum?

No, I'm as town as a big bowl of town.[/quote]
This sorta post agrivates me. TELL US WHY YOU ARE TOWN. TELL US WHY IT IS FISHY.

@SV: you highly doubt I'm town? Why? Why aren't you voting me?

This is a good place for me to start right now.

VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint

No, it isn't.

Why not? Shattered Viewpoint has a suspect, yet his vote's sitting idle. Why isn't he making use of his vote?

Vote: Fishythesmellyfish

FoS: StrangerCoug

Need moar posting by absent peoples.

OMGUS for the lose.

Wiat, what is so concerning about an fos that makes you post the above?

Okay, so those are my comments on what has happened so far. Now its time to transfer that into reads.

Scum reads (in order):
Darox, does very little, has an odd choice of vote placement, and wills off his vote in odd places.
Fishy, say a lot without saying much at all. Why is X so?
Amrun, reasons I have already stated.

Town:
Chamber, despite the fact he vote me in the RVS
Llama fluff.
and possibly rhinox.

unvote, vote: darox

[CooLDoG]

I'm hurt chamber.

Anyway Cooldogs questions are a joke.

Choo Choo.

They usually are. Add not posting any content to my list of scummy stuff.

I want to see where the Amrun wagon number 2 goes before committing to a position on it. I personally like my darox read right now.

@rhinox, What were you basing the fishy thing on? Was it completely meta that led you to give your vote to him? Or was it his town win/loss record?

[CooLDoG]

Also, I find that SV and Amrun forming a voting block interesting. Not necessarily scummy, but interesting. I believe this is most likly simply a reaction to what they perceive as wild accusations by Coug. However, as I said before, I want to see where the Amrun/coug wagons (forgot to put that in my post above) go before I move my vote.

[CooLDoG]

mini V/LA for the weekend, you won't even know I'm gone

I mean the coug wagon, sorry. My brain was/is messed up today.

[CooLDoG]

@fishy. Currently I need to see more from coug to make a red. Amrun I have a slight scum read, but that is not very strong at all. So you are correct, I am fence sitting and I do have a lot of room. I do this purposely because I want to see more before I cast my vote/opinion on one of them.

[CooLDoG]

when you catch p make sure you post a scum list.

[CooLDoG]

Fishy is my benefactor.

I will inevitable die night three, so I trust you will make good use of it.

Aww, that's sweet.

Wow me no speak good english.
I am Fishy's benefactor.

Vote: Whispersilk

Even sweeter.

The only way I could be more town is if a choir of mods descended upon the thread chanting my name.

Yeah, I don't think so. All 6 of your posts have been utter fluff.

VOTE: Darox

^smart person. More darox votes. I want him to actually post content. And do something, like scum hunt.

[CooLDoG]

You two sure are optimistic.

Unvote

Question, do you have a post restriction that forces you not to post content.

I need to read the chamber/whiskers thing in more detail once I have updated all my *other* games. It looks juicy.

[CooLDoG]

I wouldn't call it dodging. I'd call it playing smart. Town who are smart, town who are better at finding scum than your average townie, town who use logic and deduction.... they are all prime night targets for scum.

Is that why you want to know how smart I am, how much experience I have, and if I'm better at finding scum than you?

And yes, I probably am smarter than you.

Okay, this is the meat of the chamber/whip conversation in my opinion. Look at this,

own who are smart, town who are better at finding scum than your average townie, town who use logic and deduction.... they are all prime night targets for scum.

Wait a second here. Are you dialing back in order to survive? Why do you care if you get nked? If you have provided a few good reads then you should be happy. Why would you purposefully not try your best to find scum if you are a town aligned role?

And yes, I probably am smarter than you.

Are you implying here that ut us smarter for you to not try and find scum so that you don't get night killed? So what happens if your ploy works? When you get to lylo what will the town do? Will they lynch the person who may have looked a little scummy, or the person who hasn't scum hunted or given any content to the town?

I want a vote count. I would vote on this, but I don't want to quick

lynch

hammer without a claim.

fos/preemptive vote: whispersilk

[CooLDoG]

^not as much as your comments. So if you were not trying to not get lynched by not scumhunting, what are you trying to say there.

You know, fuck it:

unvote, vote: whispersilk

[CooLDoG]

Rhinox, are you town?

Darox, are you town?

Also, should we disclose who got the 2x vote for now on? Or should we leave that up to the people who got it?

[CooLDoG]

whispersilk - Townsperson - Lynched Day One

She left her vote to Rhinox, who now has two votes

Deadline for Night One is Friday October 21st, 6:10PM PST

Someone died over the night

chamber - Townsperson - Died Night One

He left his vote to Rhinox, who now has three votes

With nine votes in play it takes five to lynch
Deadline for Day Two is Friday November 4th, 6PM PST

Yeah, I didn't read. Wait, so darox has three votes now right? That means he hold a wopping 33% of the town. He also hold more than 50% of the votes required to lynch. darox has now become king maker, bow down to the king maker! bow.jpg

I'm still sold on my Darox scum read.

vote: darox

still hasn't scum hunted yet. And still hasn't posted any content.

[CooLDoG]

^I knew who I was talking about when I was talking about you. I just mixed the D with the R. Yeah, go ahead, don't put too much time into it though.

[CooLDoG]

I'd quote my original post but chamber is dead and it just wouldn't be the same.
I'd like to vote StrangerCoug too but Rhinox controlling 3/5 votes needed for a lynch makes me uneasy on principle.

What I can do is update my will.

DIDN't Answer my question. Doesn't hunt scum. new question: Why are you not scum hunting?

[CooLDoG]

hmmm... I might do an SK read today or tomorrow.

[CooLDoG]

Sorry for not posting guys. RL won the battle there...

Ohhh, high thar NS! Didn't know we were playing.

@amrun, how does level of usefulness contribute to a town read? That's one thing I do not get with both you and rhinox. How is being useful townish? Can't scum

act

be useful as well?

I really need to do that re-read... But funding the damn time. Tomorrow I

should

be able to look at SC more closely. But for now you guys are going to have to be satisfied with this:

Darox has yet to post content this entire game. HAs anybody else noticed that? And that fucker was on the mislynch wagon yesterday. This guy 100% needs pressure.

Hay rhinox, do you have to put all your votes on one person?

Also, Amrun, scum reads. Nuff' bout who you think is useful.

[CooLDoG]

HEY COOLDOG

I HAVE A VOTE

GUESS WEHRE IT IS


ALSO LEVEL OF USEFULNESS ON SV IS A TOWNTELL - NOT EVERYONE, BUT ON SV

Wait, you have only one scum read out of 10 pages?
Explain this usefulness bullshit please. I still do not get how being "useful" = town. How are you even quantifying usefulness? And how is SV useful right now? What the fuck is usefulness anyway?

NS/SV's posts has only made 16 posts so far. Most of them about two lines. One post is simply a "<3". Another one is about him being butthurt about someone fucking his gf. And yet another one is a prod doge. Is he really "useful". Why do you feel the need to defend him anyway?

Amrun might be worth a vote later on...

Still need to read SC... this has strung out far too long. Community comes on tonight Maybe tomorrow? Or maybe later tonight...

[CooLDoG]

NS/SV's posts has only made 16 posts so far. Most of them about two lines. One post is simply a "<3".

Another one is about him being butthurt about someone fucking his gf.

And yet another one is a prod doge. Is he really "useful". Why do you feel the need to defend him anyway?

Put the crack pipe down, dear, it's time to play mafia.

Okay, this is a 100% serious question. Do you think that you have been legitimately useful this game?

@amrun, why do you have to defend SV? Seriously. No body is going to lynch him atm.

unvote, vote: amrun

Town reads are stupid. Reasons for her town reads are incredibly stupid, Defends people who don't need defending, defends people.

Ether amrun/darox could hit the rope today for all I care. I'll probably get to do a re-read later tonight. If I do not get to do one tonight I WILL DO ONE SOMETIME TOMORROW

FOR SURE

.

[CooLDoG]

Mind posting some, I don't know, meaningful content?

[CooLDoG]

Mind posting some, I don't know, meaningful content?

[CooLDoG]

Actually, I just started on a full re-read.

[CooLDoG]

Unvote, Vote: Amrun

It's a good vote.

This strikes me as slightly odd. Darox just rvs voted on the same page, and now he switches his vote. Nothing has happened and it is still page one.

Why not the Amrun wagon? (Why did you capitalize the 'w' in 'wagon'?)

I'm really interested at why chamber asked this. I hope the mod has a dead thread.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 8#p3507938
Just thought I might slip this in here. I think meta is pretty useless unless it is supper strong. And I mean supper strong.
And also nice to slip in here, I still think amrun's early game posts are defensive.

Amrun seems just fine

. Chamber makes good points:

I'm feeling Amrun's posting here sounds really off. Since my meta of him is "looks townish as scum", I have no idea what this should make me think.

I didn't realize you were already voting Amrun when I read this earlier. So, you rvs vote her, she then acts in a way that is inconsistent with the scum meta that you have on her, and you choose to keep your vote on her because why?

Fishy that statement is pretty vague, like you're testing the waters or something.

Files away for later use.

Well, yes, but not as SV. We've played 2 games together as SV, I think.

But yeah, I suppose you could talk about my meta with some authority here.

OH BTW SV is towntowntowntowntown

Pretty sure this here is a joke. But after one post its pretty damn ard to make a read. I don't like the continual buddy-ing. If it was a one-time "hay how's it going?" type of thing I would be fne with it. But Amrun constantly defends SV.

chamber: jfc, for god's sake DROP THE FUCKING TYPO THING. You're getting annoying. Moreso than usual. And my tolerance is fairly high, actually. Just. Shut. Up.

*yawn*. You are just butt hurt I had at it with your girlfriend. I'll decide what's relevant when I'm asking the questions.

^where I got me crack pipe fyi.

Oh, and you're town (so far).

Shhh, I'm doing my best to

not

get killed N1.

Not to get off onto irrelevant tangents... But this is just cruel. Do the scum in this game have any dignity?

UNVOTE: Fishythefish since the random voting stage is over and the vote's just gathering dust right now. I'll read more closely later; right now I'm tired and everybody that stands out to me reads somewhat town.

Okay SC, why did you unvote out of RVS and not have a vote to back it up? If you had a real scum read you would have voted for them. If you don't have a scum read, then you are still in RVS. Which is it?

@SV: you highly doubt I'm town? Why? Why aren't you voting me?

This is a good place for me to start right now.

VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint

Why not vote for fishy in the same post that you unvoted in?

@SV: you highly doubt I'm town? Why? Why aren't you voting me?

This is a good place for me to start right now.

VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint

No, it isn't.

Mod and all: V/LA for the weekend, but my computer decided that it won't even start up in safe mode, so I won't be as active from here on out even after that. I will be posting, but I won't have a computer at home so I can't react to things as I might have otherwise. Please be patient.

Again here we see amrun defending SV again. This time when he has a 0.00001% chance of getting lynched.

Why not? Shattered Viewpoint has a suspect, yet his vote's sitting idle. Why isn't he making use of his vote?

Ask him.

He's town.

What has SV done up to this point to make him town? it's top of page 4.

The more I think about Amrun defending Shattered Viewpoint the way he is, the more I suspect the two are scumbuddies. I disagree with CooLDoG that Fishythefish is scummy, but there's not much to go on yet.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and agree with SC on this one. After a re-red, I'm not 100% on the fishy thing.Amrun needs pressure votes right now btw.

The more I think about Amrun defending Shattered Viewpoint the way he is, the more I suspect the two are scumbuddies.

That might actually be one of the stupidest theories ever.

Elaborate.

I'm expressing a town read on SV. It's partially meta-based. Woop de doo.

a)There is no reason for you to undermine my town read, especially this early game. Part of the reason I went after it so strongly was to see what would happen. People quick to tear down my read was one on the list - it's scummy.

b) I don't care if I'm credible at this stage of the game. I'm more credible than you, at least.

c) Most importantly,

how would the interaction between me and SV ever make sense as scumbuddies in any universe ever?

You're assigning scum motivation that simply does not exist.

A) hehe, I love re-reads for this reason. Why are you still maintaining your read on him then?
B) Does not address the read at all.
C) Wait, so defending him on multiple accounts doesn't make you scummy? Especially early in the game?

I don't care if I'm more credible than you, I just happen to be.

Scum cannot afford to tie themselves to their partners so soon is the REAL answer here. If SV had been in danger of being lynched? Maybe.

One weak vote? Hell no.

But he had one, and you did.

Time to switch my vote.

unvote

Vote: StrangerCoug

If you feel that I need to explain why, you aren't paying attention.

Hop onto defender's wagon.

Also, I find that SV and Amrun forming a voting block interesting. Not necessarily scummy, but interesting. I believe this is most likly simply a reaction to what they perceive as wild accusations by Coug. However, as I said before, I want to see where the Amrun/coug wagons (forgot to put that in my post above) go before I move my vote.

^CooLDoG is wrong here. Just thought that needed pointing out.
But in all fairness it did develop a bit with her recent defending of SV. Especially with stupid bullshit like "usefulness"

Fishy is my benefactor.

I will inevitable die night three, so I trust you will make good use of it.

Aww, that's sweet.

Wow me no speak good english.
I am Fishy's benefactor.

Vote: Whispersilk

Even sweeter.

The only way I could be more town is if a choir of mods descended upon the thread chanting my name.

Yeah, I don't think so. All 6 of your posts have been utter fluff.

VOTE: Darox

Yeah, we actually, at some point in this game, need a darox wagon.

@SC: in 112 you say SV is scummy for not voting his suspect. But what people are going after you for is your SV/Amrun link.

Why Amrun is so staunchly defending Shattered Viewpoint is well beyond me, hence why I'm making the link.

And when they did that, your defences were "I don't mind scum voting me" and "this wagon is meaningless".

Conceded.

Those just don't seem like the responses of somebody who I'd expect to be trying to make up their mind about whether Amrun and SV are town.

One of us is not understanding the other. My posts voice a belief in a Shattered Viewpoint/Amrun scumteam but I interpret this post as claiming that I am undecided.

See, here is why I'm having trouble making a read on SC. On one hand he makes pretty good posts. And some (like this one in my opinion) that are townish. However, some others are just half-backed. When I say half-baked I mean they seem to be concealing something. OIr he is holding back. I get odd vibes from SC. Throw him on as a possible leaning scum...

oops guess you guys noticed I was gone afterall. Will get caught up soon.

Rhinox reall has flown under the radar d-1. But that changes when he hold POWER!

Ohh joy, now I have to rea through that whol deamn town on town chamber v Whisper thing. not gonna happen.

Prod received. My vote stays. We need a hammer.

chamber is town. Annoying as hell, but town. Fishy is an opportunistic scum.

Not sure yet about whispersilk.

This could be nothing, but this sounds like a scum distance.

Mod: You and the other players may have noticed this, and I'm still not going to declare a V/LA, but during the workweek it's easiest for me to post in the evenings MDT right now.

I'm going to go ahead and stop pursuing the Shattered Viewpoint-Amrun link. SV is not off the hook, but more compelling things are coming up in-game; namely, that I don't like whispersilk. Trying to extract reasoning out of her argument with chamber is like trying to turn lead into gold.

UNVOTE: Shattered Viewpoint

Un-Fos: Amrun

VOTE: whispersilk

Weird hammer.


So yeah... that's my re-read in notes.

Conclusions:
Sc might be someone to keep an eye on, but right now I ain't buying it.
Darox, needs a pressure wagon just to get him to post content
Amrun/SV, partnership needs to be explored further. Probably with votes.
Rhinox is null right now. Sorta wierd how he pops around when he gots da power! Although, I would probably peg him down as town for now.
Fishy is town. Nothing seemed that scummy about him.

I'm keeping me vote on amrun.

[CooLDoG]

^so you did not realize that fishy was suspicious until he made that post?

[CooLDoG]

100%. You said you never viewed him as suspicious when looky here. This is the exact chronology from page 3:

UNVOTE: Fishythefish since the random voting stage is over and the vote's just gathering dust right now. I'll read more closely later; right now I'm tired and everybody that stands out to me reads somewhat town.

@SV: you highly doubt I'm town? Why? Why aren't you voting me?

@SV: you highly doubt I'm town? Why? Why aren't you voting me?

This is a good place for me to start right now.

VOTE: Shattered Viewpoint

What changed? How is he suspicious after that post?

[CooLDoG]

wait? What? I don't get what you are saying. DID YOU EVER SEE FISHY AS SCUMMY BEFORE YOUR RVS UNVOTE. IF YES, WHY DID YOU NOT VOTE BEFORE. AND WHY DID YOU SAY "this is a good place to start"?

IF NO, WHAT CHANGED IN ONE POST?

That is the question.

[CooLDoG]

I defended SV. Obviously. Never tried to say otherwise. Guess what? That's not a scumtell.

Weekends always semi-v/la, btw.

is a scum tell. Vote stays. Why do you feel the need to defend him was the question. Not if you defended him.

@sc okay, good enough for now.

[CooLDoG]

Ohh, and when/if amrun flips scum, SV is the next lynch. Period.

[CooLDoG]

StrangerCoug (2) - Shattered Viewpoint, Amrun

WOW, Nice voting block thar!

[CooLDoG]

Voting for the same person =/= voting bloc lol. And voting blocs are not scumtells.

Stop post shit that you know you can easily refute.

Why do you feel the need to defend sv?

In case you didn't see it before, which I nknow you have. Second question:

Why are you not answering the toughest questions?

Right now I'm 100% willing to lynch amrun, SV, Darox. If deadline comes I might go for SC, but right now I still think we got the time to lynch off someone I think has a very high likely hood of being scum.

@rhinox, scum list had better be coming. Because, right now we will probably need you to get a lynch off.

[CooLDoG]

BECAUSE HE'S TOWN

I'VE SAID THIS A MILLION TIMES


DEFENDING TOWNREADS MAFIA 101 HERPAFREAKINGDERP

NO IT IS NOT. 100% disagree. Finding scum is the most important thing that you can do. Lead the town to scum, and you do not need to defend anybody. If you are doing your job and scum hunting (which you say that you are) then why should you care

that much

about town tells? Naturally, having a bat on who you think is scum and who isn't is fine, but specifically say that this person is town in order to defend them is counter productive in my opinion.

@rhinox, see people judge me early. And this is the first 9p game I have played. I also was unclear on if the vote passed onto the player could be used by that player, or was added onto that play (like a vote to lynch). Also, I was not aware that the word benefactor was usually used in conjunction with possessions given away with a will...

[CooLDoG]

@fishy, amrun is not scum with SC.

If Amrun flips scum then her buddy is SV.
If she flips town (big if) then SV is probably town, and then we start looking toward

SC

darox and someone else.

@rhinox, wait, so am I scummy because I am acting like I'm scum hunting, or am I scummy for voting for whisper?

Also right now I could go for an amrun or a darox lynch. Each one about equal...

Yeah, darox should go ahead and claim.

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This is not a placeholder post...

I really need to do some thinking over the darox claim. Half and half on it. Also wierd comment to amrun about protection. And why hasn't he been more active... ahh too much, overloaded. More later... Ether tonight or tomorrow.

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unvote

Darox, why the wait? Why not just up in claim who you investigated?

vote: darox

I'm not sure about this claim, and I'm also not sure why he cares about amrun's "protection". Also, why hasn't he been that active until now? I wonder if he was purposefully trying to stay under the radar...

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Wait, I'm right. So you weren't scum hunting on purpose. This all makes sense now. So you were going to fabricate a cop claim all along. Then you would say you didn't want to attract attention... Ahh, Pro tip: You have to be a better wiggler to pull it off.

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Darox, if you are town but not a cop, I am going to sledgehammer your body into a million pieces. You don't lie as town.

I'm happy with the hammer.

Hmmm. This reads a little weird.

@darox, so the guy that was pushing for your lynch when he was the only vote on you for weeks was not putting effort into it? Go to scum hell...

@amrun, yeah, same thing that SV says, why did you think the claim was fake right off the bat.

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You are a stupid fuck then

Clearly I was pointing out that you didn't even bother to scum hunt. Or even talk about anything relevant.

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I don't know how to actually put this... I'M A MOTHER FUCKING WATCHER! I guess that went well.

Okay... so yeah, lets go.

N1: Fishy, no visit.
N2: Gues who... RHINOX! And guess who targeted rhinox???????????????
Stranger Coug.

vote:SC

Go look on the wiki if you want to know what a watcher is... Me too lazy to explain it.
So, yeah. Lets get a lynching SC.

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Hmmmmmmmmmm. All in favor of abandoning massclaim and just lynching sc say aye.

VOTE: strangercoug

of course I've been trying to kill him since day 1 but no one ever listens to me

How does me claiming differ from SV claiming. What does SV point have that would unbalance the town. Reveal all of your extra information that the rest of the town doesn't have. I'm tired of your bullshit. You are pretty lucky that I'm a watcher and not a cop, because you should be today's lynch.... Amrun/SC scum team is my gut. Early bus...

But why is amrun so damn attracted to SV?

Amrun should answer that one.

And, yeah, lets finish this mass claim before we lynch SC.

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I'm really glad you've been so dumb about it, CD. It's served the town well. Thanks, scum.

please answer my question and stop wanking around.

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I was unaware that you could submit a target n0. I just sent in my will and let that be it. If you could investigate night zero I was unaware of it.

1-shot cop. You use it night zero. what was going through your mind when you sent that in? You could, I don't, waited at least one day before using the one shot. Also, why did it take you thiiiiis long to full claim. I know you are smarter than this.

And SC, stop flailing about, you got caught.. go lynch yourself.

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I really want to know why you would waste your shot n0. I probably could have used my watcher ability, but I thought it was just a confirmation stage...

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Why did you waste a shot on a 2/9 when you could have used it on a 2/8 with reads? Serious question. And again, I thought it was just a confirmation stage. I'll go check my PM now to see if I can do it.

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It was pretty fucking explicit... I'm 1-shot, hello. The only way for me to GUARANTEE I got to both use my shit and share my results was do it night 0 (I didn't know if scum had a kill but knew that if they did, they were highly unlikely to target either me or SV).

I saw SV as a likely endgame player, and an innocent on him would go a long way.

I figured to be dead night 1, since I was SO FREAKING OBVIOUS on day 1... But my idea was that as soon as I flipped cop, everyone would put 2 and 2 together if they hadn't already.

This is the post you are talking about, no? So you didn't trust yourself to survive one day and improve your chances significantly? Assuming you can rule out 1 person as a town read, and town get lynched you are looking at a 2/7! that's a 28.5% chance as compared to a 22.2%! And that's with only one town read. Why did you think you won't have made it through d-1?

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Ohh, and even going beyond that, why did you think that you won't survive n1 if you were forced to claim? Any sane scum would not target a 1-shot cop n1.

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So you had specific reasons for picking sv and not someone else, am I right? N0 too... so you had no other information.

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No, I'm asking about your target of SV over say me, fishy, or xyz. Meta is it?

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Amrun, the chance on you ether getting lynched d1 or getting nked n1 is 25.9% assuming town lynch d1. Comment?

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Also, I don't like the if SV wasn't in the game I wouldn't have done it talk. Seems stupid and based off of crap meta tells. Wait, it is stupid and it is based off of crap meta tells.

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Okay, meta tells on n0/d1 lead town to mislynches and defeat. I have never seen any good come out of meta that early on... what ever helps you win though...

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Actually, my role pm does say I can use n0. But I didn't read that. I thought N0 was just to submit your will, I didn't know it was a full night phase.

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Scum qt: http://www.quicktopic.com/46/H/5TgtjaGDDYg

I thought my gambit was going to work beautifully. It failed.

I need to get better at being Mafia...

Well you didn't realize where it force me to put the NK and that fishy may have made up his mind already as to who was town and who was scum.

I wasnt planning on living through that night, Darox. I didn't think town would lie like that so it was worth it. Also i was leaving behind an innocent breadcrumb. I was so convinced I was dead I didn't even submit a night action, which was stupid.

I also told the truth that I would have not investigated SC night 2 bc he as food as admitted his guilt with that Day 1 hammer. Annoyed it took that long to lynch him.

Wasn't that the night that SC had his gambut for us to kill the guy with the the biggest wagon? Also, one reason why I didn't feel like lynching you was because I though we had a decent shot at getting you lynched at some point. So I didn't want to waste the chance.

Also, this has to be one of the most fun games ever. I am now convinced that playing scum is more fun than town.

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This was a fun game, although the best thing I did it seem was send my votes to a townie

I'm really not sure why chamber of whisper sent me their votes, but I'm glad it worked out. I was very close to sending my votes to cooldog the night I died. He was second on my list that night, and I thought about changing the order. In the end I convinced myself fishy was town for the "Give all votes to Rhinox" plan because it just seemed like scum would have no reason to even think about coming up with that plan as it didn't benefit scum at all. You guys woulda had a better shot at winning had you left me alive

@Llama: count me in as a pre-/in for the next Last Will game whenever you get around to running it. I liked both LW2 and this one, but I think LW2 being larger was a bit better from my POV given that players can't be confirmed through votes (and scum win through 1 mistake in sending votes) until after a few days have past.

So you played a crappy game until the end, shucks.