Driving Mafia - GAME OVER - Kentic controls all the cock!

[StrangerCoug]

VOTE: Kcdaspot for sucking.

[StrangerCoug]

that was a serious vote btw

Hmm? Explain to me.

[StrangerCoug]

I don't see how the lack of a vote makes The Mask suspect, but I do see where you're getting the "overanalysis of a[n] irrelevant fact" part, and I'd like to see an explanation for it.

UNVOTE: Kcdaspot
VOTE: The Mask

[StrangerCoug]

I took Kcdaspot's miller claim as RVS shenanigans.

[StrangerCoug]

scooby says you over-analyzed an irrelevant fact (Norman replacing out). Would you like to explain this?

[StrangerCoug]

Why would you assume RVS shenanigans.

I don't take a lot of things in the RVS seriously. That simple.

@Coug, I have a weird ass pic in my role PM. I'm thinking Norman chickened out because he found his pic offensive. Before I ask my next question(s), I'd like to know if you found anything wrong with this?

We were given fair warning. If you believe Norman was offended, then I can make heads and tails out of why you think he played chicken.

UNVOTE: The Mask

Rolefishing ^

How is The Mask rolefishing? He is not asking me for any information about what I am, he is asking me for an opinion.

VOTE: Kcdaspot

[StrangerCoug]

Rolefishing ^

How is The Mask rolefishing? He is not asking me for any information about what I am, he is asking me for an opinion.

VOTE: Kcdaspot

it was heading straight there.

That's too vague an answer for my liking. Elaborate. How was it heading for rolefishing?

[StrangerCoug]

Kcdaspot, I still don't get how the hell you're getting that The Mask wants specifics about Nobody Special's role. His only speculation is about the possibility of the picture in what was then Norman's role being offensive to him and I fail to understand how that is any indicator of his role. Nobody Special could have gotten anybody and anything, and as we have no information other than the sample PM and our own PM as to what role names there are (though I see everybody fitting in a category) and an offensive picture can be as equally tied to a vanilla townie as to a cop, doc, goon, or what the hell ever, I am not going to accept rolefishing as a legitimate attack on The Mask.

[StrangerCoug]

Hey SC thoughts on the other wagons?

I disagree with the wagon on The Mask, but Ankamius I see the case on.

Coug, why did you wait until CoolDog announced WAGON TIME to vote me? You posted in-between that post and mine.

I missed what he was talking about the first time around.

[StrangerCoug]

scooby says you over-analyzed an irrelevant fact (Norman replacing out). Would you like to explain this?

Why did you feel the need to emphasize that I was the one that made the case when you agreed with me in this line of question?

Because I was not the one who brought it up originally.

What part of TheMask answer did you agree with that you unvoted him inmediately?

The possibility of Norman getting a picture he found offensive given the picture in The Mask's own role PM.

Fixed. - Amrun

[StrangerCoug]

Mod: Put another opening quote tag for scooby's post #110 before the opening quote tag for my post #42 please.

The post appears correct to me. If it isn't, PM me with corrections.

-Amrun

[StrangerCoug]

Why would he be curious about Norman's now NS's role in the first place? Hell why would he say something as useless as "It must have offended him"?

sounds speculative to me.

If I understand this, you say it's a crime for me to express excitement for fallout/pic flip

A

, but it's okay for everyone to place joke votes and wagon .. Different things, sure. But both fall under the umbrella of irrelevancy

B

. Why are joke votes acceptable but not my curiosity? / How is one more meaningful than the other?

C

A. Yes it is.

B. No they aren't. you trying to get discussion going over Norman's role =/= Voting someone in RVS

C. Votes evolve into wagons which gain info. NOT Specifically on the wagonee but more or less the people on the wagon as well. You talking about someone's role isn't.

I am not connecting the dots in regard to point B. What, exactly, are you denying about joke votes and wagoning—that they are acceptable or that they are irrelevant? In addition, while I agree that trying to get people to discus Norman's role is not random voting, I fail to see how the random voting stage is related to the topic at hand. Could you explain how it is relevant?

YES it's Part OF the role but it still DIRECTLY HAS TO DO WITH THE ROLE. Not having one bit of it.

Yes, the picture plays a decent part of the role, but I still disagree that it, to the extent that I see it as relevant right now (that it was possibly offensive to Norman), could get any useful info that could help scum. If The Mask speculated about objective information about the pic (for example, specifics about what it is a picture of), then I would be in agreement that The Mask was rolefishing and leave my vote on him alone. However, what he speculative is subjective—that the picture is offensive. Norman could have found the picture acceptable and stayed in the game and we'd still have as little information about what he is.

[StrangerCoug]

Oh, and...

Mod: Put another opening quote tag for scooby's post #110 before the opening quote tag for my post #42 please.

The post appears correct to me. If it isn't, PM me with corrections.

-Amrun

Done.

[StrangerCoug]

First: the random votes are relevant and acceptable. he mentions that "Joke voting is good but talking about norman's role is bad" and how he didn't understand that.

Denying that they are irrelevant then. OK.

Second: Have you SEEN the threads?

Admittedly, not much of them. I very rarely touch Forum 62 with a ten-foot pole.

The pictures are simple enough in their own right the the subjective and objective material may be one and the same.

How is this logical?

[StrangerCoug]

you have to see the threads then.

you'll understand why i'm on Mask's case better.

This is not an acceptable answer. You're the one that claims the objective and the subjective are one and the same; you can supply the necessary proof in thread. In fact, talk to me about the possibility of things being both objective and subjective as if I were completely unfamiliar with MafiaScum.net let alone Forum 62.

\What I still don't understand is how is Norman being offended give any information at all regarding a role?

You're scratching your head about the same thing that I am. That's my case against Kcdaspot.

Its a common scumtell.

Scum usually try to make townies fight. In this scenario, Coug is the scumbag trying to make TheMask town attack me.

Its not about me doing the case and coug reinforcing it. Its the tone. Its like "SCOOBY said that you are scum, what do you think about it, huh?". Something like that.

I fail to see how emphasizing that someone else made the case I'm pursuing is an attempt to instigate The Mask against you. The Mask suspects me, if anything.

@Coug, see the thing about KCD, he's one of those guys that says he has someone pegged as scum with the hope that when the game is over, he can go back and say "I told you so" if he was right. Problem is, it's probably gut that leads him around, so he doesn't have legs to stand on when it comes to justification. Granted, I was scum in RTG, but at the end, he revealed himself as paranoid when he went from suspecting me to suspecting any and every one. When a new flavor of the month arrives, he'll be on the bandwagon. If you go over the time stamps of when scobby voted me and KCD's post BEFORE he voted me, you can make the guess that KCD is currently inventing reasons to add on to why he's still voting me. If he made all these meta connections regarding rolefishing, he would have caught it in the two posts before "WAGON TIME". But it's your choice if you choose to not to take certain players' words with a grain of salt.

"You have to see the threads ... you'll understand why I'm on Mask's case better" is a cop-out. Puppies will bark, Coug. You just have to handle your

grown up stuffs

without them. #130 is clear avoidance of #129. Nuff said, in my opinion. As much as I would like to encourage KCD to continue his stance on trying to make sense out of this rolefishing thing, it'd really just be me challenging KCD to see how he actually doesn't make sense.

The thing about me is that I play hardball and I don't put up with other people's crap (admittedly why I don't IC). I am not a sadist, but if you're not going to play shenanigans instead of put a decent amount of effort into the game, you can take it elsewhere or die. My attitude is not going to change anytime soon.

I will not answer your question since you answered yourself in your last post. I will, however, state why they weren't RVS. The connection is that both were players that had yet to have a significant stance. The first vote was partly RVS in that regard, since near everyone was in that list. When I voted for Kiwieagle, all he had was a vote with nothing else. I was getting reactions so I could more easily get reads.

Overall, it succeeded.

Wait a second...
*reads top of page one*

VOTE: Vezokpiraka

My powers of telepathy says this person is scum. At least he deserves a wagon anyway.

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS? HOW IS THIS NOT AN RVS VOTE. THIS IS WHAT I'M ASKING ABOUT!

UNVOTE: VezokPiraka
VOTE: kiwieagle

The same reason I voted for Vezokpiraka.

Those are full quotes fyi. WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS? HOW IS THIS NOT AND RVS VOTE. So your real reason for voting kiwi is because you are able to use telepathic powers through an internet forum. Why isn;t your win/loss record higher than it is, and why haven't you been baned for cheating.

I want to park my vote on this guy for a

long

time.

Lol are you serious?

Like so, The Mask: Ankamius makes no attempt to actually defend himself against CooLDoG, instead responding with a post that reads "What the hell?" to me.

UNVOTE: Kcdaspot
VOTE: Ankamius

[StrangerCoug]

EBWOP: If you're going to play shenanigans

[StrangerCoug]

scooby seems to want to lead everyone nowhere.

Yeah. If it were really my plan to pit The Mask against scooby, it clearly backfired. I am not taking credit for what's not mine. That's just plain wrong.

I'm still unhappy with Kcdaspot, while farside22 reads town. The Mask isn't my top town read, but the only real thing I have against him is his defense of Kcdaspot. I think it's too early to call the two of them the same alignment.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not solid but I have more reason to believe you're town than scum.

[StrangerCoug]

I pretty much understand why you think what you do. I may disagree with what you think, of course, but disagreeing with somebody is not scummy.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm not solid but I have more reason to believe you're town than scum.

Why?

You just quoted it:

I pretty much understand why you think what you do. I may disagree with what you think, of course, but disagreeing with somebody is not scummy.

If my answer is unsatisfactory, please explain what else you want from me.

Ank still isn't answer questions or scum hunting. Lynch him.

UNVOTE: Riceballtail
VOTE: Cooldog

Your play is anti-town at best.

OMGUS is not going to win you any friends. Sorry.

[StrangerCoug]

@SC: I asked you to explain how you can understand him and see his point on things.

It makes sense to me that scum would want to try to get townies to fight each other, which is what he accuses me of doing. Is his accusation wrong? Yes. Is it wide of the mark? No.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm sorry, my brain's still in bed. Would somebody fill me in on StevieT92?

The two scum reads and the two town reads I still stated before still hold. If I can get some more people on Ankamius or Kcdaspot, I'll be one happy cat.

[StrangerCoug]

Something feels a bit off

FoS:SD

... can't place it yet though.

Could we at least have some sort of information? What about Shadow Dancer seems off to you? Is there a post you're worried about?

[StrangerCoug]

Kcdaspot's on my good side now. Good point against CooLDoG in post #257.

FoS: CooLDoG

[StrangerCoug]

homework: read up on desert and driving. They are in f62...

And deal with the crap that gets posted in there? *barfs*

Yeah. I'm not saying anyone is, but no one is going to make me read Forum 62. What drew me was the uPick death scenes, not anything in F62.

[StrangerCoug]

-I didn't like his jump onto the mask wagon- disagreeing with part of the case and agreeing with the other part seemed like scum trying to not look like they were buddying to me.

Taking a black and white view on a case is unnatural even if we factor out MafiaScum entirely. There will be times where you agree with only part of something and this is one of them for me.

-As mentioned already- makes out scooby to be the attacker (even though he agreed), which sounded to me like scum attempting to fuel a town-town conflict- "Scooby says..." -I didn't like the defence against this either- (part of it is *I obviously haven't caused a conflict now, have I*")

I already stated my defense against trying to pit two townies against each other as not taking credit for scooby's actions, not failing to get scooby and The Mask to fight each other.

-Over-the-top (in my opinion) defence of the mask and the rolefishing thing

Conceded.

-I didn't like the vote change to Ankamius- Did SC actually find him scummy? Why would Ank have bothered defending if there wasn't anything solid to defend against (and I thought his actions were made pretty obvious anyway)
SC, why do you suspect me (Ankamius)?

As much as CooLDoG bussing who is now you makes sense, if you are going to dismiss the case on you as crap, explain how it is crap. This is not a game where taking other people's word for it is a good idea.

I lurk, and I'm scum. I participate, and I'm scum.

Sounds like tunneling to me!

Sensible, but as stated comes off more as damning if one does and damning if one doesn't than tunneling.

Scooby, that vote is terrible. Seriously.

FoS

I'm going to place a bet that, other than the vote, you only read the "fuck this" part of scooby's post. He made a case against vezokpiraka, and I see it as perfectly valid.

HoS: Riceballtail

[StrangerCoug]

Only two days till DL :\ I guess I can look through some ISOs until then...

Is it that close!?

Willing to dispose of DeasVail, Riceballtail, or CooLDoG (in that order of preference).

[StrangerCoug]

If you were town you would've push on me thinking I am the bad guy. There is no way you are town.

*scratches head* Am I missing something here?

Th post with lynch him not me is terrible. I've never seen a townie do that.

I actually had to reread this to get it to make sense, but I agree with you here.

[StrangerCoug]

Yeah. It's akin to claiming you're town—the only difference is that you're advocating lynching Nobody Special. For... what reason? You only mention him by name in one of your posts, and even when you do, it's flippant and clearly not a case on him.

[StrangerCoug]

Before I ask my question, I'm going to fess up to a mistake: I miscounted. He's brought up in two of your posts, and the "lynch him, not me", which you admit is clearly not a case, is in the second post.

So, my question: Why did you FoS him in the first post?

[StrangerCoug]

Sorry; didn't check the last page. That's directed at DeasVail.

[StrangerCoug]

SC, I FoS'd NS because of his reaction to my first post.

Be more specific. (I'm going to use the time waiting for an answer thinking about CooLDoG's claim for a moment, but the fact that I have minimal flavor knowledge inclines me to believe him. If I decide that I need it and find that his claim makes no sense with the flavor, then I will agree with Kcdaspot and hammer.)

[StrangerCoug]

OK, looking at the sample PM, I'm not as happy with the claim as the name claim doesn't fit with what is expected.

Still want DV to answer me before I touch CD.

[StrangerCoug]

*determines that Kcdaspot is telling the truth*
*brainwashes himself*

[StrangerCoug]

I said I wouldn't do it, but I did it. I read through both Desert and Driving. I saw no cock pistols, and some of what I did see, I'd rather forget I saw.

[StrangerCoug]

Do I get my own personal supply of soap?

To get back on track, CooLDoG-scum condemns Shadow Dancer as his buddy in my eyes, especially if SD has flavor knowledge (and even without that, it took me less than ten minutes to look at the pictures in both threads). DeasVail and Riceballtail are still scummy.

[StrangerCoug]

OK, I'm happy with DeasVail's answer. Time for the death knell.

UNVOTE: DeasVail
VOTE: CooLDoG

[StrangerCoug]

Kcdaspot's up and apparently leaving the

SITE

after I agreed with him after flipping through the Driving and Desert threads screams like it should be a tell one way or the other, but I'm not sure what to think about it. It seems better to focus on other things, like the person flailing like mad yesterday...

VOTE: DeasVail

Riceballtail's not off the hook either.

[StrangerCoug]

It's pointless not jumping on anyone (yes, I'm looking at you RBT) and even though I haven't finished a quick re-read of the thread yet, I think he's scum.

I get the impression that you think not voting is some heinous crime. Yes, we'd like you to vote someone, but what's the rush?

[StrangerCoug]

I'm doing basically the same thing you're doing—going back to my top suspect. The only thing new is that Kcdaspot (now petroleumjelly) has gone from town to undecided.

[StrangerCoug]

6.)

StrangerCoug, in Post 459 you claimed you did “not know what to think” about Kcdaspot leaving the site. Why, then, did Kcdaspot drop from “town” to “undecided”? Wouldn’t your read on him remain town unless you decided his leaving the site actually cut against him (now me)?

On the one hand, I don't like the timing of the ragequit. After I found myself in agreement with him and then hammered CooLDoG, he upped and left and his wording made me wonder if it was something I said. On the other hand, ragequitting the entire site is useless as a tell as it is not specific to this game (so I probably needed that whack of common sense—it's not like I planned on going after you anytime soon anyway).

I will defend the wagon against me when I'm given something to defend. Right now, with the possible exception of Nocmen (I want him to answer petroleumjelly's question before I pass judgment), it's laughing stock.

[StrangerCoug]

Then, SC seems satisfied with Deus' answer in 449, and hammers CD. Followed by a sudden vote back on Deus as Day 2 starts.

The timing of the votes, as well as the way SC becomes satisfied with DV and then votes back immeidately just doesn't go as town votes to me. I don't know if its bussing a partner or not, but it's definitely a scum vote.

One action is insufficient to get you off my suspect list. You have to have a general town play, which Ankamius and DeasVail do not have.

Mod: I don't expect to be on again until tomorrow afternoon—I want to focus my attention on something else and I've done my daily check for the day.

[StrangerCoug]

2.)

StrangerCoug, to build off Nocmen:

->

a.)

Why did you tell Ankamius that “OMGUS is not going to win you any friends”? I agree with Nocmen that this comment might be an attempt to pass along advice.

Simple: it's a scumtell. I don't count it as OMGUS if you present a legitimate counter-case, but there is none.

->

b.)

If you were “happy with DeasVail’s answer” at the end of Day One such that you hammered CooLDoG, and yet his “one action” was not enough to stop you from voting him on Day Two, please

reexplain

your reasons for voting DeasVail for me. Do not quote any posts. This may involve repeating yourself, but humor me.

I did not like the way Ankamius and DeasVail refused to defend the case on him. I don't care your defense is an explanation of how the case on you is crap, just do it. I don't like his sudden switch from me to Nobody Special either.

Yep, SC is scum. At the end of yesterday, SC said he was happy with DV's answer to his questions. I didn't at all get the impression he thought DV was “flailing like mad”, but that's what he called him this morning. And then he backtracked on that, saying:

Then, SC seems satisfied with Deus' answer in 449, and hammers CD. Followed by a sudden vote back on Deus as Day 2 starts.

The timing of the votes, as well as the way SC becomes satisfied with DV and then votes back immeidately just doesn't go as town votes to me. I don't know if its bussing a partner or not, but it's definitely a scum vote.

One action is insufficient to get you off my suspect list. You have to have a general town play, which Ankamius and DeasVail do not have.

This doesn't fit in at all with saying that DV was flailing like mad yesterday.

You want to know why it doesn't fit in at all with saying that DV was flailing like mad yesterday? Because that's not what I discounted. I discounted DeasVail's FoS of Nobody Special, which hardly counts as flailing.

I'm really not liking SC's response here; he tries to fob the wagon off with "I'll respond when there's a case on me", and then goes back to "DV is generally scummy, so it's fine, OK?", rather than answer what people are actually saying.

I understand how you interpreted my saying as "[y]ou have to have a general town play, which Ankamius and DeasVail do not have" as that, but that is a defense to my going back to DeasVail after hammering CooLDoG. Is there anything else along that line that you are concerned about?

@SC: when do you think DV was flailing? What has DV (not Anka) done that makes you think that slot is scum?

The most damning post I see by DeasVail that fits is #336, but his votes rarely come with reasoning either.

FoS Stevie

@Fishy, I still get the feeling that he's scum for some reason and I'm not liking how quickly this SC wagon has formed.

I still suspect SC most though.

UNVOTE: Nocmen

VOTE: StrangerCoug

One, why did you blow off Stevie92's question, and two, if you don't like how quickly the wagon on me is forming, then why are you voting me anyway?

[StrangerCoug]

@SC- I've defended the case on Anka as much I am able to, considering that I'm not Anka. And if there's a case on me which I haven't defended against, please do point me to it.

A reread of your ISO reveals that #298, despite being an attack on CooLDoG, pretty much addresses my concern with that. If I see any other cases that you missed, I'll speak up.

Are you serious about post #336? I really can't tell.

Yep. The "lynch him, not me" and "you should all feel incredibly guilty now" remarks don't seem to be town reactions. One is diverting the wagon off you and the other comes off as holier than thou and not really intimidating.

One, I blew off Stevie's question because it was merely a more aggressive version of fishy's (and I did answer fishy's)

Very well, then.

and two, I'm voting you because I think you're scum.

This is vague. If you're going to be on a wagon you're concerned about, you had better give a damn good reason. Why do you think I am scum?

[StrangerCoug]

Oh, and the Nobody Special hate that's going around is perfectly understandable to me, so it's out there.

[StrangerCoug]

Where have I made a big deal of hammering CooLDoG?

[StrangerCoug]

I didn't want him hammered before I had your answer. That simple.

I'm going to go ahead and UNVOTE: DeasVail since my vote on him is getting increasingly hard to justify. My gut on Riceballtail, the other person who I said was suspicious, is telling me that putting it there is no better.

Looking at Nobody Special and StevieT92.

[StrangerCoug]

Looking at StevieT92, I do see part of the case on him now, largely regarding there being two millers. He voted Kcdaspot in his second post and neglected to explain why he picked him over vezokpiraka until #116. While I feel that warrants a

minor FoS

, other than that I'm still struggling to make heads and tails out of why people think he's scummy.

Nobody Special poses a bigger problem. I can't find a decent case from him on CooLDoG, the only apparent explanation for his vote being "I re-read". I find his vote on me (because I'm "almost always scum") even weaker, almost a policy lynch on me. Only StevieT92 (maybe DeasVail as well, but the more I think about the error of my own ways the more I doubt it) get anything remotely decent.

VOTE: Nobody Special

Simple: it's a scumtell. I don't count it as OMGUS if you present a legitimate counter-case, but there is none.

Yet, did you see the Cooldog case at that time? You did eventually, with how the day ended, but yet you're so eager to criticize him at this point for that vote?

No, I did not see the case on CooLDoG when I accused Ankamius of OMGUS.

[StrangerCoug]

4.)

Nobody Special, on Day One your vote remained on StevieT92 (and you even seemed to make a “case” on him in Post 258), but despite not mentioning Ankamius in any of your posts, you immediately voted DeasVail in Post 292 when he replaced in, and then you put CooLDoG at L-1 (who you had also never expressed suspicion of). You did this without ever trying to push your supposed top suspect, StevieT92. Why?

DeasVail, upon replacing in, acted scummy enough to deserve my vote. On my re-read, I decided CoolDog was the lynch to work for.

These two shining examples of scumminess far outshine Stevie, who, while less luminous, is still in my notes to be watched.

I simply cannot answer any better than that.

They are not "shining examples of scumminess", they are convenient scapegoats. That's why I pulled my DeasVail vote—he really seems more of a VI than a scumbag.

I'm liking petroleumjelly and Shadow Dancer as town right now.

[StrangerCoug]

It's hard to put in situation-specific words, but your actions seemed scummy at first. Once I inquired about them, I received a better understanding about how they could be town actions, and one thing you did actually comes to mind as something I would've done myself.

[StrangerCoug]

SC, why are you liking Shadow Dancer as town?

I like his attack on Nobody Special.

L-1 if Im right-

L-2, actually (Fishythefish pulled his vote), so I'm not claiming yet.

[StrangerCoug]

Isn't it basically the same as other attacks on Nobody Special (such as yours)?

Yes, I understand.

4.)

Nobody Special, on Day One your vote remained on StevieT92 (and you even seemed to make a “case” on him in Post 258), but despite not mentioning Ankamius in any of your posts, you immediately voted DeasVail in Post 292 when he replaced in, and then you put CooLDoG at L-1 (who you had also never expressed suspicion of). You did this without ever trying to push your supposed top suspect, StevieT92. Why?

DeasVail, upon replacing in, acted scummy enough to deserve my vote. On my re-read, I decided CoolDog was the lynch to work for.

These two shining examples of scumminess far outshine Stevie, who, while less luminous, is still in my notes to be watched.

I simply cannot answer any better than that.

Yet...what about SC, when SC did the exact similar? If that's part of the reason you vote SC now, why shouldn't we use that same case against you?

Which then brings me to SC: Is there other examples from NS that have a case which is unlike one that could have the same reasoning on you?

Not that I can think of without me being constantly pulled for morning chores. Yes, my DeasVail case turned out to be crummy, and yes, I could have done better with the CooLDoG hammer. After I read the flavor source, it's really the claim that kicked it for me. However, what I feel is starting to work in my favor is that I'm inquiring about my suspects, while Nobody Special seems to like shooting first and ask questions later.

Nocmen's pointing out Nobody Special's hypocrisy is interesting and I want to see the latter's response.

[StrangerCoug]

Unvote: Nobody Special, Vote: kiwieagle

.

First of all, for all intents and purposes I

am

Kcdaspot for this game. And second, I asked you that question because I don't see a single thing that is scummy about Kcdaspot's post, much less what could possibly be "really scummy." You don't need to "make a case" on me, but you

do

need to explain yourself.

You obviously dont see anything scum in

"your"

posts

OK, that's just flippant.

Major HoS: kiwieagle.

[StrangerCoug]

and since when is being flippant = scum?

petroleumjelly is biased toward himself like you are biased toward yourself, I am biased toward myself, etc. If you're going to attack petroleumjelly, write up a case on him and present it; don't give us the impression that you think he is an idiot for not seeing his own flaws.

[StrangerCoug]

Seriously, can you do something other than ask questions?

What's wrong with petroleumjelly asking questions? It's a good way to get information from other players.

I think he was scummy because he tried to buddy with stevie?

I don't like the final question mark here, nor do I feel this adequately answers petroleumjelly's question (though he's the real judge here). What about Kcdaspot's buddying StevieT92 is "really scummy"?

[StrangerCoug]

petroleumjelly

HAS

provided information of his own. Read his ISO.

Answer my other question: What about Kcdaspot's buddying StevieT92 is "really scummy"?

[StrangerCoug]

I'm starting to get fed up by kiwieagle here. Just in the last post:

1. He admits that buddying is the wrong term; what he describes is closer to a sudden 180° turn on StevieT92. However, I fail to see how the 180 could be even remotely mistaken for buddying, regardless of when Kcdaspot's top three was posted.
   
2. petroleumjelly claims that there were other instances of buddying and asks kiwieagle to give his opinion; he refuses to do so.
   
3. The reasoning behind not doing an ISO on Kcdaspot is illegitimate. petroleumjelly does not get a tabula rasa when he replaces in, as is evident by my posts earlier today.
   
4. Responding to his question about my intervention into the conversation with another question is basically blowing off petroleumjelly.

UNVOTE: Nobody Special and demote to an

FoS

VOTE: kiwieagle

[StrangerCoug]

5.) What do you think about StrangerCoug’s intervention into our conversation?

I assume hes pretty pissed that I already caught NS and/or stevie scum and wants to set a mislynch on me for not answering a fucking question.

Excuse me? This implies that I wouldn't lynch Nobody Special if I saw a way out of it and I have been on him since shortly after dropping my DeasVail case, so you're effectively also accusing me of bussing Nobody Special. Do you see examples of what look like me bussing NS?

Refusal to answer questions is anti-information and therefore scummy. Now, DeasVail had his reasons (asked and answered), but your problem seems to be that you don't like it when petroleumjelly asks you questions. I do believe he has you pinned in a corner...

[StrangerCoug]

Answer me or I am not unvoting you.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm the Town Cop.

Night One I investigated StevieT, and got an Innocent. (This might explain better why I lost interest in him, huh?)

Un-FoS: Nobody Special and StevieT92

Confirm vote: kiwieagle

[StrangerCoug]

There really isn't a reason not to, especially with his sudden drop of StevieT92.

[StrangerCoug]

What relevance do I have to Nobody Special's claim, as if I'm going to get an answer?

[StrangerCoug]

One of my scum suspects votes me for not answering a question. (I admit it, I HATE HATE HATE answering many questions. Meta me.)

Screw your meta. Scummy actions are scummy actions.

I seriously dont know how to defend myself.

You should have thought about that before you started refusing to answer questions about what you've been doing. Sorry.

If I was scum, wouldnt you think I would be MUCH MORE CAREFUL where I tread, PJ?

WIFOM.

I really don't know of a better person to whom to give the rope, people. petroleumjelly put kiwieagle in a corner, I joined in PJ's attack, and now KE is unable to handle the pressure of not one, but two people asking him perfectly legitimate questions about his actions.

[StrangerCoug]

@RBT, SC, vezok, kiwi: why do you believe NS? "There isn't a reason not to" is a pretty crap reason - what makes you think it isn't a fakeclaim?

As I remember saying, it explains why he stopped pursuing StevieT92.

[StrangerCoug]

I'm able to take the claim, but I want to take the result on Stevie with a grain of salt.

Why?