Mini320: Urban Legends Mafia is over!

[bluesoul]

Vote audacesiuvat

because voting the person above you is the thing to do. And I don't know what's up with your name.

[bluesoul]

Unvote, vote Sentinel99

Nobody said anything about No Lynch.

[bluesoul]

unvote, vote Ziliu

I wish my cop claim went that smoothly on the GL. -grumblegrumble-

[bluesoul]

Meh, yesterday spoiled me. I don't really have a read on anyone yet. The reread only took like 10 seconds, too.

[bluesoul]

Vote Sentinel99, FoS HIAB, IGMEOY audacesiuvat

Brizzyboi makes some good points, a generalization on that level seems like he's really just trying to blend in. HIAB, explain this hunch some. Even though the cop found you innocent you may very well be GF pushing for the quick lynch. That said, I'd like to know what makes you suspicious of audacesiuvat.

[bluesoul]

I just want him to elaborate on this hunch of his. I'm not saying "OMFG GF," but he should explain. Sharing info is good. Witholding info is bad. We're already ahead one scumbag so the more info we have to work with early the better our chances are of ending teh game quickly.

[bluesoul]

It's cool, town, vote me. I'm no scum, but I am expendable.

(shakes head)

Why do people say stuff like that?

I didn't really think the argumetn against you was that strong, but why would you suddenly claim to have a weak role and call yourself "expendable" like that? It's just not good for the town when people do that.

He's still fairly new to online Mafia (I go to school with him). I'm not sure if he's gambiting or just being new. For right now all I can do is metagame, and by that, I'm okay with where my vote is. But by all means Sentinel, go ahead and share what you're wanting to share, since you're obviously eager to.

[bluesoul]

Did it say in your role PM that you're both pro-town or are you just assuming?

[bluesoul]

FOS: bluesoul

Two days in a row he's jumped on me fairly quickly for tiny things, and he knew I'm a noob. I mean, I can understand jumping on me for some of the things I've said. But honest misunderstandings born of naivety? Weak reasoning, I know, but all I've got to go on at this point.

Unvote

I meant to earlier but I had to leave. You get the noob excuse for one (1) game.

[bluesoul]

It's best just to use your intuition, in my opinion. Anyone that points someone else out for the cop to look at probably has something to hide themselves. Also, I agree with Yosarian, keep innocent results to yourself.

HIAB, since you may or may not make it to tomorrow, would you go ahead and explain this hunch?

[bluesoul]

I recieved no such message. The only thing I can think of (if you are who you say you are) is that

maybe

help im a bug has a redirection action and redirected your message to himself.

Maybe

he assumed that because you were communicating at night, that you were mafia.

For now

Unvote: audacesiuvat

but that is a lot of maybes.

Reread what you just wrote. Speculation on that level is almost useless.

Vote audacesiuvat

. The fact that BrizzyBoi can't corroborate his mason claim is more than enough for me.

[bluesoul]

Maybe he needs to get to this night? I don't know, but the only logical thing would be a redirect and I don't think we want HIAB to roleclaim. Audacesiuvat should probably be the lynch today.

[bluesoul]

You're misunderstanding. A redirector is possible, but even you said the circumstances would have to be just exactly right. When I say speculating is almost useless, I mean we shouldn't use speculation without corroboration to decide the course of the game. Speculating that audacesiuvat really

is

a three-shot mason and he really

did

get redirected is fine. Do I think we should let him off the hook? Not at all.

I'm really torn regarding HIAB. Since he's essentially confirmed I don't know how much in the way of a life expectancy he has. It's probably best to leave it up to him to decide what he wants to do.

[bluesoul]

Unvote

If he was RBd, we should give him another night to prove himself.

[bluesoul]

Vote audacesiuvat

[bluesoul]

I'm

really

confused. I'm thinking we should give him another night. But I'm also thinking I missed something because the same logic led to a lot of people voting for him. I really don't know what's going on.

[bluesoul]

I was too, but he's a Mason. I didn't want to look, well, like scum by voting a mason.

[bluesoul]

Curses. Teaches me to think I'm invincible. That "wagon jumping post" was me pretty much screwing around. I do think that Vis seems a little scummy, but I can't really back it. Brizzy voted him, and I was feeling inclined to follow the cop at the time. All in all I'm happy with my vote placement.

The cop is not infallible. As a matter of fact, he got an innocent result. Blindly following someone else is good enough to merit a

Unvote, Vote Sentinel99

in my book. You're pushing awfully hard for someone that only has a dead guy to back you up.

[bluesoul]

Yeah, Broomhead is pretty clearly wrong here.

Still, at the moment, the most suspicious thing I've seen is the way Bluesoul has been jumping back and forth on the audacesiuvat issue all day, contradicting himself at least once, so I think I'll keep my vote there for the moment.

I made myself look pretty bad, it's true. I've gotten so confused on that issue that I'm pretty much ignoring it for now.

Osloboditelj (good lord, what's with these names?) makes a good case against Broomhead, though. Can we get a

Vote Count

, please?

[bluesoul]

He claims to be the mason of the dead Farmer. We've got no confirmation from the deceased aside from some breadcrumbing. I still don't like his attitude in game.

[bluesoul]

Unvote, Vote Broomhead

Perhaps Sentinel is protown but his playstyle is just awful in this game, to the point of distracting the town. Broomhead is my most suspect after Sentinel due to sheer wrongheadedness so I don't have any problems with moving the vote from here to there.

[bluesoul]

Also, when we were still looking at aud as the lynch, blue flat contradicted himself, which I didn't like. I think Yos said something about it, come to think.

Keep on following opinion, there. You and Yosarian should get a room. (Not inferring that this is any of Yosarian's doing, but you've pretty much been mindlessly agreeing with him.)

[bluesoul]

Honestly, I'm not all that happy with my vote. Bluesoul did looked a little scummy, but I wish I had something better to go on; at the moment, though, his self-contradiction is the only thing I've seen that really looks like a scum tell to me.

I don't have anything else I can really say on that aside from everyone gets confused; it doesn't always make them scum. Broomhead, however, has suggested a plan of action that is

highly

anti-town. Why my vote in a moment of confusion puts me on the same level as this is beyond me.

[bluesoul]

He's waiting for it to get to an untenable position where he can claim doctor and force a mislynch. Not much I can do about that.

[bluesoul]

Your role

is

testable. Does it prove anything? Not at all aside from you can kill people, and we let you live another night where you have plenty of time to come up with better reasoning behind your claim. Letting the town choose who you kill is the oldest gambit in the book. The fact that you chose to wait until yesterday to claim vig is pretty strong; vig's not that major of a power role, guy. Waving it around in our faces does not make it any stronger.

Right now I'm thinking SK, if he's a killing role at all.

[bluesoul]

vote: broomhead

Oddly enough I'm not voting for myself.

[bluesoul]

So you sent him a message twice; once that he claims

not to have received

and now he's dead and unable to corroborate your story. Why should we believe it at this point?

[bluesoul]

Right now, I most suspect Blue and VisMaior. I know I've been on Blue from the start just about, but I still really think he's scum. I mean,

he's been pushing dumb wagons with weak logic the whole game

. Also, Vis has a tendency to throw out some of the weirdest reasoning I've ever encountered. All in all, I'm probably not changing my vote from Blue until he's lynched, or unless another cop suddenly claims guilty somewhere else, which I find unlikely.

Hey kettle, you're black!

[bluesoul]

Actually, I'm not going to claim. Not now, anyway. I don't see how it can help the town so I won't.

[bluesoul]

Hello! I'm not dead!

(Actually, I was out at college orientation. I thought I messaged the mod but I may not have.)

I am an unlynchable townie. It was also kind of hinted by the mod that I may (or may not) start getting some kind of power after being lynched; it didn't happen last night so I'm not sure. I will not nameclaim at this time because of the (small) chance that I'll be able to counter.

Scalebane's redirection of audacesiuvat makes absolutely no sense to me. How is that a protown move when we're already about ready to lynch him?

Vote Scalebane

Der Hammer's acknowledgement of the message is not proving of much of anything as it could be all WIFOM, trying to prove himself as town.

[bluesoul]

But you completely ignored the thought that you could be redirecting it to scum, who could simply deny they received it?

[bluesoul]

@Der Hammer: For future reference, save a power like that until the endgame. That might have spelled the difference between winning and losing, but we won't know now.

[bluesoul]

No need. I received a one-shot Cop ability last night. Der Hammer's one of the scum.

Moving right along then,

Vote Der Hammer

[bluesoul]

Sure. I'm Bill Gates. Legend has it that I give out money and fabulous prizes for people forwarding my chain letters. Last night I got to choose one of several items; I chose a gift certificate for The Sharper Image, which resulted in a one-shot cop inspection.

I can only speculate on what the Gift Card for Victoria's Secret would've done.

It was in my original PM that I would be immune to lynches, but after one was attempted on me I would unlock the second half of my role. I won't get another one-shot ability until the night after this next one.

[bluesoul]

Actually, this just hit me.

If

Der Hammer is a double voter, there are 3 scenarios.

1.) The game should already be over with a scum win, since they would control three votes.
2.) He is a double-voting SK, which isn't too unbelievable since I got that exact role on WIFOM a few games back.
3.) There is something wrong with my cop inspection.

[bluesoul]

Der Hammer as vote manipulator would also be way too powerful scum.

More powerful than a lynch-immune scum? If I were lynch-immune scum, the town couldn't win. Think about it. You've mindlessly shouted that I'm scum this entire game, and frankly I'm sick of it. Even being cleared, you should never be as stupidly, mindbogglingly aggressive as you've been this game.

[bluesoul]

I have no reason to doubt my inspection after that clarification. That would be quite good, as scum roles go.

Confirm Vote Der Hammer

To clarify, my result didn't say Mafia, only Scum. I don't know if that'll end up meaning anything but we haven't seen an SK yet, either.

[bluesoul]

I would agree but I've overestimated players before. I'm actually catching crap on MTGS right now for that exact thing.

[bluesoul]

Its proven that I have manipulated votes on at least two occasions. This is an absurdly powerfull ability when given to scum.

Now you're backtracking. You're hinting that you can do it again. Earlier you said you only got two shots at it. Why the shaky wording? Afraid that this is all for you?

[bluesoul]

Now you have plucked a miracle one-shot investigation and now you claim to have magically hit scum. I just don't buy it at all and am surprised other people have so willingly believed it.

Oh, of course you don't believe it. How is it so magical that I hit scum? From where I stand, it was a 50/50 chance, considering that Sentinel is cleared and I would not investigate myself, and we have 2 scum remaining out of 4 remaining choices.

Seems to me like the other scum has to be you. Is there something other possibility I'm missing?

That it's you?

[bluesoul]

Fine, I can't really argue against VisMaior being scum but I'd rather go with my inspection. Do what you will, though.

Vote VisMaior

and I hope I didn't just blow the game.

[bluesoul]

Vote Der Hammer

I've said my piece. Let's finish this.

[bluesoul]

Hmm. Bluesoul, are you still lynch immune?

My PM is obscure on that note, deliberately I assume. I couldn't say either way.

[bluesoul]

I've said pretty much everything I can say. It's pretty lousy that someone's relying on a hunch in endgame when I got a cop investigation that says otherwise. No, I can't help that I got a one-shot inspection. What am I to do, act like I

didn't

get one? If I get lynched and that's the end of it then I'm certainly not blaming myself for the loss.

[bluesoul]

I believed Bluesoul until he pulled that "one-shot cop" stuff out of nowhere.

Eh, it was a high-risk, high-reward move. I was fairly sure I was safe with already being proven unlynchable.