Mini 362 - Open Role Bastard Mafia (Game Over)

[Zindaras]

I like this setup. It has a lot of good things about it.

Vote: chamber

He wasn't nice to me over AIM.

[Zindaras]

Sorry, but who are you over aim?

zen artros.

I swear, someday I will hunt down the bastard who stole my AIM name and kill...uhhh, get him lynched.

[Zindaras]

Unvote, Vote: Fritzler

Mr. Prolific isn't really prolific in this game.

[Zindaras]

Unvote, Vote: Fritzler

Mr. Prolific isn't really prolific in this game.

Vote: Zindaras

Yes, that's the kind of post that makes me want to unvote.

Also, this whole claim thing is pretty silly.

The Mafia is determined randomly. They are just as likely to be a helpful role as a townie. The only thing mass claiming would do is help the Mafia pick their targets. Making random people claim does exactly the same thing.

[Zindaras]

Zind: We didn't suggest a mass claim, we were talking about the no lynch option.

There was also a lot of claiming discussion, and I wanted to share my opinions on claiming in this game.

Once again, what we're looking for is the reaction of the player this time. He can still drop scumtells before he claims his role and we're not going to be everyone claim, that's pointless.

No lynching has a point. We have 12 players, and an odd amount of players is better for us.

So if the vig doesn't kill anyone, no lynch is good for us.

If he does, we should be lynching someone.

[Zindaras]

Looking at it, I'd say the Inventor, Professor and Cleric are potentially bastard roles, because they're dealing with unknowns.

The "forced target for all non-vigilantes" thing kinda backs up the fact that not everyone may be wanting to target someone.

[Zindaras]

i dont think the mafia would have the vig. giving them 2 NKs a night is absurd. Unless, of course, the vig is their only NK. I dont know.

The Mafia is determined randomly. So, hypothetically, it is possible for it to contain the vig, the doc and the cop.

I don't see right now how you guys speculating on roles is helping the town. It may help out when someone claims it but right now, it's just giving scum potential ideas on which roles may be the best and which ones they should try to off first =\

The scum doesn't know who's what role.

[Zindaras]

I don't see how your comment is relevant?

If the scum doesn't know who's what role, then they can't pick off the most powerful players either.

[Zindaras]

Anyway, I think we should be lynching Fritzler. His only words in this game so far have been Vote and Zindaras, and while I find it touching, that's pretty useless to us game-wise.

[Zindaras]

FOS ZIND

I'm sure you've played w/ Fritz before and know that that's the way he plays. But, i'm not voting you because it is odd that Fritz isn't talking as much as normal (but he's doing it in all his games so i'm assuming he's busy or something).

As far as I remember, I have not played with Fritzler before, only over AIM, and, if my memory serves me well, in Goats Mafia, where he was very active. Though I may be mistaken there.

Yeah, I don't see anything scummy about Fritzler's posts, and as a matter of fact,

FOS: Zindaras

, for not being able to back up his vote.

What do you want me to do? A PBPA? Here is one:

Post 32:

Unvote, Vote: Fritzler

Mr. Prolific isn't really prolific in this game.

Vote: Zindaras

That. Is. It. You cannot analyze posting behaviour if there was no behaviour. You cannot rebuff arguments if there are none.

Regardless of whether or not he was trying to bandwagon me, he's being completely useless.

Also, help im a bug: I doubt there will be counterclaim issues this game, as claiming something you are not (barring vanilla) is suicidal, but they are hypothetically possible, and if such a situation would arise (which it probably won't), it'd be useful.

*shrugs*

Not very likely though.

[Zindaras]

As an aside, I don't like how M4yhem voted with me on Fritzler, saying nothing but "I agree". To explain my vote: it's a pressure vote, not a real actual lynch vote.

[Zindaras]

The last prod didn't get him to post more. My vote stays where it is until either a prod makes him post more or until he is replaced.

[Zindaras]

*sighs*

Fritzler annoys me, but I guess he did post.

Unvote

. I still want actual content from him.

I also think that bastardized roles are not based on what they once were. For example, you can be a vanilla townie with an uncle who was Miller, or an uncle who was a Paranoid Cop. You can work anything in it. PK probably numbered the vanillas and they'll all have different bastardizations.

I wonder what would happen if the Genealogist targeted himself.

[Zindaras]

Will post tomorrow, had a horrible week, and a very time-intensive week as well.

[Zindaras]

I reread the entire thread and made some notes.

I feel Hiab has been very aggressive, but I don't see him as scum. M4yhem, however, jumped on Fritzler and Hiab extremely quickly and eagerly, which leads me to suspect him.

However, Hiab's non-postingness makes me not want to vote yet until he defends himself more.

[Zindaras]

Can't say that I agree with Zindaras.

Is the below point the only thing you disagree with?

M4yhem has just been trying to people to participate.

The vote for Hiab wasn't a vote to get people to participate. The Fritzler vote can be interpreted as participation vote, yes.

Also, when did you go from:

Definitley, I'd say possibilty of scum-buddies.

Vote: M4yhem

To trusting him?

[Zindaras]

When I changed my mind.

But why did you change your mind?

[Zindaras]

His posts seemed more protown. You might disagree entirely, it's just an opinion.

Can you point out the difference in the posts? Personally, I don't really see it.

[Zindaras]

We need to get a reaction out of Hiab. Otherwise, I agree with the decision to pose a deadline, but we really need hiab to talk.

[Zindaras]

Zindaras-I am always eager. Check out newbie 260 if you can be bothered. I’m actually being quite restrained in this game. I probably seem more eager because only three other people are posting.

Mkay.

My vote on HIAB has good stuff backing it up. If you disagree, I’d like to know exactly what you disagree with.

Vote:Help I'm a bug who seems to be stirring things up against Nai.

That's not a whole lot of good stuff.

Theman also needs to talk about Twomz. He voted for him, but why the unvote?

[Zindaras]

Hiab is at 2 votes. Theman at 4. Hiab is not in any imminent danger.

[Zindaras]

However, many people are waiting for HIAB to comment just because he hasn't been posting and theman has.

Yes. Hiab can also just say nothing and let theman die, as we'll be deadlined.

[Zindaras]

So, basically, we're unvoting

because

there's a deadline upcoming?

That's just stupid.

[Zindaras]

Actually, I'm unvoting because the person I was voting for is about to be replaced.

Which is even more ridiculous with a deadline coming up.

We need a deadline extension to give the replacement time to respond. For the rest, there is no reason to unvote. Hiab isn't in any real danger at the moment.

[Zindaras]

? Erm, unvoting to give a replacement time to reread the thread and post at least once isn't exactly scummy behavoir imo.

I never quite understood it myself. Nobody's going to speedlynch the replacement before he gets the chance to post. Hiab is 5 votes away from a lynch.

There's no actual need to get your votes off.

[Zindaras]

Ah, Phelddatog.

This could prove to be enjoyable.

[Zindaras]

Phelddatog has registration troubles.

[Zindaras]

Zindaras- I did it to be polite. It’s only fair to give the new guy some breathing room while he reads the thread. What do you care anyway, you’re not voting for anyone? It seems like a strange thing to complain about.

This way, you can sneakily unvote without providing a real reason.

It is also a matter of principal. If there's no reason to do something, why should you do it?

Also, 5 votes is a lot of breathing room.

[Zindaras]

I really don't understand why ShadowLurker and Zindaras are making a big deal of this.

Boredom.

I am good at argueing about completely useless things. Ask Pariah.

What's the point keeping a vote on someone when they're being replaced?

Because you think they're scummy?

There's a big difference between a pressure vote and a lynch vote here.

[Zindaras]

Twomz just made my day.

[Zindaras]

vote:Zindaras

You complain about being bored but I've yet to see you do anything useful. We're meant to be looking for scum; you know that don't you?

I have stated who I feel are scum. I also feel that we must wait until the replacements post before deciding on a lynch, as I have admitted that I feel Hiab is scummy. Not as scummy as you, but still scummy.

[Zindaras]

Zindaras- You're not voting for anyone, are you? What's up with that?
And how am I scummy exactly?

I explained this before. I'm not voting because, though I feel you're scum, I also dislike hiab's inactivity and am thus torn between you two. You are scummy because I feel you are being overagressive and you jump on bandwagons way too quickly.

[Zindaras]

I don't know why I'm being so conservative, spectrum, because, usually, I'm not. I know this is a bad explanation, but my playstyle is almost never the same. I tend to play more conservatively as townie than as scum, but usually, it isn't this bad.

[Zindaras]

It's good to see I'm not the only one who thinks M4yhem is scum.

However, I dislike chamber's hopping from one side to another.

Regardless, I will follow my earlier voiced suspicions and

Vote: M4yhem

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[Zindaras]

I sincerely doubt that Thesp is scum at this point.

I think we should lynch M4yhem. If anything, it would give us a lot of info regarding the alignments of other people.

[Zindaras]

Zindaras- Are you still voting for me because you think I'm too eager to lynch people?

In part. I still do not fully trust the moves you have made. However, I also think that your death could shed light on other players. And the game's dragging on and on and on...

If so, is Thesp's bloodthirstyness not registering on your scumdar at all?

Yes. Yes, it is.

If you're town, Thesp will indeed be one of the ones I'll be looking at (along with chamber). Regardless, I want to know whether or not you're town.

[Zindaras]

And if you want to point out stupid townies, I think chamber is another one of them. He said 2 people are scum for demanding cases.

Being a stupid is no reason to lynch someone, I agree. I also agree that chamber is playing stupidly. Which is why I have my eye on him, because I don't think he's stupid.

I find thesp's lynch-hungriness disturbing. It's only been 12 pages, day one. And people are contributing, it isn't as if the game is going nowhere.

Only 12 pages? Only been a month-long day? Only two deadlines (if I remember correctly) that have been retracted?

Excuse me if I'm not one for moping around (this is the reason why I don't play in the big games here), but we need to finally lynch someone.

[Zindaras]

I think Nai's being far too aggressive regarding chamber.

We have established chamber as a guy with strange thoughts about arguments and cases (as in asking for them is scummy).

So be it.

He has been lynched for it several times, but it doesn't change him. Therefore, it's better to know when you've lost and live with it.

[Zindaras]

Zindaras-Shed light on which other players? You realize thesp is just making it up as he goes along, don’t you?

Not Thesp. Nai, who has been openly defending you, neither. I'm looking more at Shadowlurker, who is defending you, but less aggressively than Nai. I'm looking more at Chamber and Twomz, who were voting for theman/hiab along with you before switching votes. I'm looking more at kirbyphreak, who's apparently okay with anything except casting the deciding vote.

Now you know how I feel. But since I’m one of the louder and more active players here, lynching me will make tomorrow quieter and slower. If you must lynch just to finish the day, how about a lurker lynch. Like…hey, like Chamber! Or Bogre.

Activity does not guarantee speed. Regardless of your alignment, your lynch will give us leads to go on tomorrow.

Pariah

, would you give us a votecount? Please and thank you.

I think you're at 5 or 6.

[Zindaras]

Not Thesp. Nai, who has been openly defending you, neither. I'm looking more at Shadowlurker, who is defending you, but less aggressively than Nai.

So defending townies we think are innocent is now scummy?

1) Depending on M4yhem's alignment, obviously.

2) I said I found your defending of M4yhem worse than Nai's.

[Zindaras]

First of all, I'm not defending M4yhem at all. I'm not defending HIM, I'm accusing his attacker. There's a big difference. I don't know about M4yhem's alignment, I have no suspicions about him, but I DO know that Thesp's attack has craplogic written all over it.

Notice how I feel ShadowLurker is scummier than you in his defense. Also, attacking the accuser is indirectly defending the defendant.

[Zindaras]

Unvote

.

Don't want anyone to come around and cast the deciding vote before M4yhem claims. I'll revote depending on what happens.

[Zindaras]

That is one heck of a strange post from Twomz, and I do not like it at all.

[Zindaras]

*notes that even though zindaras had already posted once after twomz, he waits untill other say something to point out how werid twomz's post was*

The post before that was a quick post I made before dinner. I didn't have time to read, but I thought it'd be a good idea to unvote.

Also, since everyone is apparently posting his scum/town tells, I'll just hop in and tell you mine:

Scum:

-Votehopping. (this is generally from Townie to Townie)

-Bandwagon deflecting.

-Lurking. (this should never happen. The Town should never allow Mafiates to hide among the lurkers)

-Randomly changing opinions (often to the general opinion) without giving good reasoning.

Town:

-Overextending. (yes, scum sometimes does this as well, but it's usually a townie who's really convinced he's getting scum lynched)

-Caution. (scum can afford to be free with their votes)


I think that's it, pretty much.

[Zindaras]

If I am correct, M4yhem is dead.

[Zindaras]

I r failure.

Replace me, I can't live with it anymore!

*commits suicide*

Yes, this post is a joke. I will now return to doing homework without actually reading the thread.

[Zindaras]

*laughs*

Funny times.

Vote: M4yhem

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I was actually going to vote theman first, but meh, we can lynch him tomorrow.

[Zindaras]

Well, let's look at it from this way...

If you're dead, you can't get fired either.

[Zindaras]

True, Zindaras. But you lose out on the fabulous mystery prize...

A knife in the back?

Sorry, but no.

Even if you are the mathematics professor, you could've just claimed it right off the bat instead of doing it this way.

Getting counterclaimed isn't a good way to stay alive.

[Zindaras]

I did think about it, Zindaras. But I decided that the real cop probably wouldn't help me out. This seemed the easiest way of getting at least half the stuff I was meant to get done.

Yes. Except that doing one half, purposefully, makes the other half impossible, because noone is going to believe it.

Getting fired>Getting lynched.

[Zindaras]

I'm curious, Zindaras; how would you have done it? This honestly seemed
like the best way to me. When I claimed I thought I was pretty much dead anyway; I just wanted some sort of success.

First post, claim Mathematics Professor and what you have to do, and

leave the decision to the town

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That's the only way to actually get the cop to claim (other ways aren't ones you can influence but are dependant on luck) and not die yourself.

You may achieve the first, but you can't achieve the second like that.


Also, the role was made for me. I've played with roles like that before in Chatmafias. I once had the mod add another clause to the role twice, just because I was winning way too quickly.

[Zindaras]

I don't get the debate about scum/town goals for the Mathematics Professor.

Knowing Pariah, I can definitely say that he would tell the Professor to do scummy things as town and towny things as scum.

Regardless of the above, LAL goes into effect.

[Zindaras]

I have an interesting theory, but it all depends on whether or not the Inventor can target himself.

So, mod, can the inventor target himself?

theman, Twomz and ShadowLurker are high on my scumlists at the moment.

[Zindaras]

??????????? W T F? Chamber... why on earth did you just claim?

I thought it relevent to clarify it was the vigs kill, not the mafias kill that stopped alignment form showing. Had it been the mafias kill we could have assumed nai was innocent, while it being my kill we still don't know.

For some reason I already assumed Nai was killed by the vig...

Good idea to claim, though. I think.

[Zindaras]

Well, that's...uhh...useful, I guess.

Vote: ShadowLurker

[Zindaras]

I was pretty happy with the way I played. I was on to both Shadowlurker and M4yhem.

Then I got shot, inevitably. I really liked my DP though.

[Zindaras]

Also, I must admit that I find it very amusing that I was killed in pretty much three ways: I got investigated as Town by Fritzler, I got killed by Mafia, and I got the plague box from the Inventor.

[Zindaras]

I know the feeling.

This game is definitely worthy of a follow-up, though I'll admit that I didn't actually understand most of the rules. (I didn't know anything about the whole "X random people are bastardized" thing)

Interesting game, though, even with a lot of bastardizing.

[Zindaras]

I'm totally in ORB 2.

Mainly because a Pariah game is always good.