Mini 413 - Famous CATS - Over! Quit pussyfooting around!

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Zindaras is a real cat, but obviously Wizardcat is a fictional cat. YAY! Zindaras must be innocent, and Wizarcat must be our scum. I don't know about the rest... Glork looks like some sort of fictional feline...

vote: Wizardcat

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Zoinks! All these so-called random votes on Wizardcat... I regret having started a trend. My apologies to Glork, I had no idea he was a rat. Suddenly he looks delicious.

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Zippety dooda, Wizardcat, that's not the response I was expecting from someone who has meteorically risen to 4 votes on page 1!

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Zulus eat cats. Is it my imagination or is massive defending his scumbuddy Wizarcat?

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Zindaras you're right! We could have made history with a page 1 lynch. Rats. We missed a once in a lifetime opportunity.

I'm leaving my vote on Wizardcat for now just the same to keep some momentum and reactions on the game.

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Zee... we need to get the carbon copy to talk.

Nothing beats a vote to make people spill the goods.

vote: Catbon Copy

Haha, CATbon Copy...

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I think the people who are voting Carbon Copy purely on role basis right now are more scummy than Carbon Copy himself.

Zero points for that.

On role??? We don't know a role for "Carbon Copy" do we? Anyway, this is Day1, we have to pressure somebody. No one is scummy so early, so we might as well pressure someone who has piqued our curiosity. No?

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Zebras are striped. They are like tabby horses.

Well, I started off vanilla, but I got an extra role last night. Don't think that's because of my role though, but rather due to someone else's role. (and I have a fairly good idea who it is)

But we started the game during the day. There was no night. How could you have gotten an extra role?

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Zorry.

We started with a No-Kill N0.

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Zindicakes, was that ability you got applicable last night, or will it be applicable tonight?

It's funny. When I got my PM I sent in choices because I thought it was night. Then I thought the game started at day for some reason... now I am told there was a night after all. My brain is a jumble from the tumble.

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Zilly Primate. Why must we lynch one of the personas? Neither is fiction.

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Zippers make sounds that sound like mice. The claim makes sense in the context of this game. Also, the flavor almost certainly precludes Zindie/CC being scum. I don't think Zind is making this up.

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Zorro told me to vote for Primate too, for pressure. Not finding Primate scummy, but hey.

vote: Primate

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Zindie, it's not as though you made it obvious that you were CarbonCopy. You speculated that CC might be scum, you stated that it looked like Battle Mage's posting style, and you repeated that sentiment with the whole "*shrug* whatever think what you want, I still think it could be Battle Mage" thing. I don't know why you're behaving as if you intentionally made it obvious taht you were CC. I think that you were trying to pass it off as a completely different player and that you simply got completely busted. Period.

Zits aren't cool. I didn't notice this little gem hidden in Zindie's abundant verbiage. But it didn't escape notice of the uber-clever Glork. Hail Glork. Praise be!

Vote: Zindaras

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Zindaras is at -2?

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Zikes! Phoebus was a DOG??? I thought this game was real cats vs. imaginary cats. Who's Slippers the Stray? Why is Phoebus' name in blue? Was he scum? It doesn't say. What's with the "yes/maybe/maybe" letter?

How come Glork so quickly upgraded his FOS of DP to a votes? 'sup with that? Why DP but not Primate? What gives?

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Z, you ask?

Phoebus was obviously a Serial Killer.

Is there a cat, famous or fictional, which has a love for the letter "Z"?

No. Think of it more like a cat famous for taking tumbles in his sleep. Sleep... get it? Catching some zzzzzz's...

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Zmaybe this will help!

Meet Tuffy the Sleeping Stunt Cat:

http://www.youtube.com/v/ETpXoIJz6Js

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Zhat cat was on America's Funniest Home Videos!!!

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I have been very busy professionally but I promise I will read this game with a fine-toothed comb and come up with some reasoning sometime today.

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Zi mean, EBWOP "Zi have been very busy professionally but I promise I will read this game with a fine-toothed comb and come up with some reasoning sometime today. "

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Zhow close to lynch was ubertimmy? Geez, he sure is vulnerable, that was only 2 votes he had. If he's so vulnerable, it's kind of strange that he'd go after Glork so aggressively... especially since his evidence is a lot like "gut feeling."

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Zwell, some pressure is being put on Wizardcat, but he pretty much says nothing. I am afraid he's scum hoping we'll forget about him. NOT!

vote: Wizardcat

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I'm trying to decide whether I think DGB's vote looks like busnig a scumbuddy, jumping on an "easy" bandwagon, or legitimate townie carelessness.

Zlegitimate townie PRESSURE. Why, he's not in danger is he?

As for the missed post restriction, there was a consequence at night.

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Zthe consequences are stated in my PM.

I can be confirmed by other players. I give things at night. So I am not too worried.

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Zi give out inventions I dream up. I don't know what they do, beyond granting abilities, but they're so important I have to have 2 backup targets, in case my first choice can't receive it.

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Zomeone should back me up.

DP, I already claimed my cat, with a link. Apparently I have vivid dreams where I invent things.

During, Night 1, my choices were:
1. blahgo
2. Wizardcat
3. Carbon Copy

I didn't know these players, I figured they would be new-ish so I wanted them to have some extra fun with the invention.

If it was my invention that Carbon Copy received, then I wonder why blahgo or Wizardcat couldn't receive it, and it went to my last choice instead.

Next night, I chose:
1. Dragon Phoenix
2. massive
3. Pooky

So... DP might be the one to confirm me, if it went to him, as it appears that it has.

As you see I am not responsible for Theo's double vote.

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Zi don't choose what I dream up, and I don't have a list. So I don't even know what I am sending, other than they are abilities, and can be either good, or bad.

If DP didn't get my invention... I wonder why... maybe because he got something from someone else? Then massive or Pooky have received something.

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Zif neither massive nor Pooky received anything, then, DP must have received something from me, not from Glork. Or not one of my 3 choices were eligible? It seems unlikely, I don't get it.

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Zzzzmmmmmm... I kinda wondered what might happen if I unfortunately gave my invention to a scumbag. The first thing that came to mind, is that they would refuse to acknowledge receipt. One of 1. Dragon Phoenix, 2. massive or 3. Pooky might be scum then.

Pooky was last to respond. He didn't have to worry about someone counterclaiming receipt of the invention since both my other choices denied it already. So he could either (1) acknowledge receipt and confirm me, or (2) deny receipt and make me look like an idiot, even through Carbon Copy did confirm receiving yesterday's invention.

Either Pooky is scum, or not one of my 3 choices was eligible to receive last night.

Another possibility is that Glork breadcrumbed something to DP because Glork has some tracking ability, and knew that DP was sent something. Glork could be scum and want to take credit for it. Not likely, though, I would consider this most remote.

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I want to spread my inventions around, in case CC is scum, I am not going to give it to her every night.

Also, I hope to eventually figure out why some people can receive, and others can't.

I think it's way too early to mass claim. I don't understand the second sentence in Pooky's post. What does it mean???

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i do not want any inventions.

Zwhy not? If you don't give me a good reason, you're going to be my first choice.

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Zit looks like we lost quite a few posts.

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DGB have you lost any more dreams following post 338?

Zno, that's not how it works. It reduces the number of player choices I have.

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Zthe mod has been prodded!~

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Zmeow, Skruffs, purrrr, purrr.

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Zthat was disgusting, Skruffs. I am going to leave a gift in your litter box.

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this inactivity is still treason against the state!

Zhen why not post more that this piddly little sentence, for starters?

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The similarities in this game to PR3 are creepy, too -
DGB, you are an inventer, right? Just like in PR3.
Thok, in that game, was a one-time-lynch immune mafia godfather.

ZWasn't I video game Mario in PR3? Anyway, here in this game, I am dreaming up inventions. And I don't know if am I inventing "pussy treats" like theopor describes, in fact, I have not the faintest idea what I am sending to people. If I remember correctly, Glork also said he got something, and it wasn't from me. So I am not the only "Santa" in this game.

I am interested in the Primate lead. I'll try to read the game independantly, to see if I see what you see, regarding him and Glork.

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Z'O.K., I took a look at Primate. At first, the was agreeing that CC was a more experienced player, which turned out to be the case. But then he was particularly rabid against both Zindie and CC. Especially since Primate reckoned that his own role was nearly identical to Zindie/CC. But Primate's role should be rather provable. It think it's too risky a claim for scum to make. Is there much incentive to test his role? It seems like a rather Townie power. If we confirm him, he might be nightkilled anyway. But then it's strange that he wasn't nightkilled already - maybe the scum was slacking, I dunno. I don't think Primate is scum. His being scum would be a long shot.

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If a scum in Primate's shoes knew that his alignment wouldn't be revealed on his first lynching, AND had nothing to worry about because he knew the Mafia wouldn't kill him overnight, would you think that would make him more or less reckless with his "counterclaim"?

Zoinks! The twists of logic give me a headache. Is the correct answer MORE reckless?

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Zertrand is seeking a replacement for Wizardcat.

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ZI have a bad feeling about the pussycats that have two bodies, like CC and Zindie. A bad feeling that one is the evil counterpart of the other.

And I am NOT a cartoon cat! I am deeply offended by the suggestion. Look at me!

http://www.youtube.com/v/ETpXoIJz6Js

I'm soooooo cute...

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In which case I could simply sell out the entire Mafia team Day 1.

Z'hahaha, I didn't think of that.

I am just sitting on the fence here, I don't think there's much of a case against Theo. The case against Glork is stronger, but he seems confident that he can prove his role to Skruffs.

Skruffs, it look like you have more info than the rest of us. Are you willing to share this info so that we can make up our minds independently? If you won't explain fully how you reached the conclusion that Glork is scum, I at least want to know how SURE you are. Would you stake your own life on it?

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Zwhoa! Message-sender AND cop??? What's the general wisdom about roles like Flying Pumpkin that Shoots Lasers??? Are these usually made up by scum with mucho imagination? Are you omitting some other abilities, like "immune to nightkills" which is a favorite scumclaim?

Funny thing is, I sorta believe it, but I am feeling like a complete fool. Believing this claim makes me feel like I just the Brooklyn Bridge from Glork.

Why oh why...

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Zaie! I didn't think of that, but that's true... a cop, a message sender with a truth-verifying ability, but not a famous cat???? In "Famous Cats" mafia????

Too much flying pumpkin gives me indigestion. I much prefer the Fancy Feast Seafood Platter in Gravy.

vote: Glork

and feelin' purty good about it.

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Zthe below means that you DON'T have lie detector ability, right?

If I ask you three questions, one of which involves your alignment, and I am going to *know* the answer to the alignment question, I will be able to discern whether your other responses are likely to be legitimate or fabricated. I told him in the message that I'd know if he were lying -- but my purpose in saying that was specifically to give my targets less incentive to lie in their responses.

Zthe below means that you DO have lie detector ability, right?

Like I said, as long as I ask a question regarding their character/alignment, I get to know whether they are scum or not.

Which is it?

^^^^^^^

Rethorical question, obviously, since it's pretty clear that you're making it up as you're going along.

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I get told whether they are scum or not. This is a COP ability. But in knowing whether they are scum, I get an answer to my question regarding WHETHER THEY ARE SCUM OR NOT.

Z'OMG I am getting a gigantic migraine trying to wrap my head around "But in knowing whether they are scum, I get an answer to my question regarding WHETHER THEY ARE SCUM OR NOT."

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I unvoted you, regardless, because it's not worth riskign lynching acop, even one as scummy as you.

Zthere comes a point where the scumminess is so overwhelming as to strip bare the normal inhibition about lynching a claimed cop. The only thing in Glork's favor is that there is no counterclaim at the moment. It is possible that the real cop is hoping not to claim just yet, in case Glork is lynched after all. Granted, it is idle speculation on my part.

Glork's about face regarding Primate is a major thorn in his credibility. I don't think he's suspecting Primate even a little bit today. How weird is that?

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Zoh, alright, I was under the impression, from Skruff's posts, that Glork didn't suspect Primate today. Sowwwyyy.

unvote

Primate seems mighty sure and mighty cocky that he'll prove himself. I don't think it's necessary for him to claim to satisfy massive.

Is it my imagination, or is massive beginning to look scummy?

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Zyour right - I didn't see it that way, but yes, talk is cheap, and Glork isn't voting against Primate. A biteless bark.

Primate's eagerness to claim with so little pressure, and so few people asking for it, makes it look he might be scum eager to carry out a pre-arranged plan. Like he made up a claim, and thinks it's brilliant, and can't wait to get it out.

You can almost sense carefully choreographed distancing between Primate and Glork. Almost. I can't be sure, but that's the impression I am left with.

And there is something that rings pre-arranged with massive's interactions.

I dunno...

Maybe I should take a nap.

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I think it's a little odd the mindset of people tying me to Glork, though. I'm not a fan of Glrok this game at all, but considering Glork's gung-ho attitude towards bussing, he would be much more active to lynch me, especially considering I'm a double lifer, if he were scum with me. Glorks not the kind of player to put himself in position like the one he was day 1 then get cold feet about following up day 2.

ZHow do you explain it, then?

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Zwell, I am seeing quite the opposite, that is, distancing. But I can't be sure yet. Just keeping my eye on it.

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Zum'thin' that bugged me all night. If Glork had some investigation abilities, why was he so gung-ho against Zindaras Day 1? If he had the ability to investigate, he should have waited, no? Then pounced when and if he got a guilty.

And if he suspected Primate so strongly, why didn't he investigate Primate the next night???

Glork's choices MAKE NO SENSE WHATSOEVER.

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Zho do you think is the GF then? Why aren't we going after the player most likely to be the GF?

...or did I miss something again...

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Zhit!!! Three lives? Aren't you really pushing the enveloppe of credibility??? You're tripping over yourself with all the things you made up. I have to give you credit for a florid imagination, but that still means you're scum. Yeah you were so sure that Zindi yould come up scum? "the other was the fact that my top is two when it is really three." Does that make sense? Who knows what you're doing with all that cash... cloning yourself 3 times? We already know that Zindie and Carbon Copy are the cloned cats.

That's pretty cut and dry, I think. I am not a believer.

vote: Primate

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Zpretty sure we're o the right track with Primate.

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Zno evidence that my target has switched either. I'll keep the theory in mind thought just in case.

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Zthose were my choices:

1. Dragon Phoenix
2. massive
8. Pooky

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Zglork, you're so cute. You died so young... 15 months...

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Zcruffs doesn't want to bus his buddy? And yet I get townie vibes from Scruffs. Hard to read.

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I am a townie, what 'buddy' am I avoiding bussing?? I'm confused.

Zhat would be Primate.

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Zi don't think massive is scum - only Primate. I believe that he has been victimized by Primate. I don't see a case for both being town, or both being scum. And I don't see much of a case for massive being scum, and Primate being town... that would be preposterous. But I can see Primate=scum, and massive=town.

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I say boith would be town or scum because, if massive were scum and primate were town, massive would have no reason to give anyone - especially not pro-towners - money. The only reason I think massive would be scum would be, just as he stated, that they could talk about how they would claim in the morrow with each other.
I'm not saying I think massive is scum. I'm just saying what I think the options are.

Z'ok. But I still think it's more likely for Primate to be the scumbag between these two.

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Zyarn? I love yarn.

My choices were:
1. ubertimmy/Nai
2. theo
3. Miztef/Wizardcat

One of these three must have gotten a goodie.

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Nothing here . . . although can I ask why you chose us three in that particular order?

Zi don't know if the gifts are good or bad... It's even unclear what has been received the past 2 days. So I don't know whether to send them to people I think are scum, or people I think are town. I am basically picking people I can't read too well, hoping that what they will do with the gift, whatever it is, might reveal their motive/alignment.

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Zmaybe, maybe not. I have three choices, which mean that 2/3 at least get nothing, or might get something from someone else, so I am not even sure that the players that I targetted, and claim to have received something, received it from me and not someone else.

I doubt I am sending the same ability everyday - just an assumption, I might be wrong about that. What if the gift is bad? I can't tell, it would be risky to send it to people that are confirmed townies. If you guys all agree to it, I'll be happy to send the gifts to confirmed townies, but personally I don't think it's such an obvious good idea. Could be dangerous too.

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I received nothing, unless the mod didn't tell me.

DG, I want an answer to my statements about you. Why, exactly, can't I find any mention of your 'famous cat' anywhere on the internet?

Zaye, but there is a whole video, and I was on America's Funniest Videos or sum'thin'


Tuffie the Stunt Cat
http://www.youtube.com/v/ETpXoIJz6Js

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Zthese were my choicse:

(1)
1. blahgo/Pooky
2. Wizardcat/Miztef
3. Carbon Copy

(2)
1. Dragon Phoenix/Skruffs
2. massive
8. Pooky

(3)
1. ubertimmy/Nai
2. theo
3. Wizardcat/Miztef

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Huh. I hadn't thought about that.


That plan would, of course, rely on several factors. Assume for a moment that I am scum:
1) There would have had to have been either no cop in the game, or a cop who chose not to counterclaim me yeseterday. I will not rule out this possibility, but that "cop" had better show some serious breadcrumbs.
2) Theo would necessarily have to be scum,

and

there would have to be no vigilante. If Theo weren't scum, then he would be a vigilante. I would get shot and insta-victory would be

IMPOSSIBLE

. Not having a vigilante would also necessariliy mean that Thesp would've been an SK -- how else would somebody explain the extra death from the previous night?
3) I would have had to choose "Fred, the Undercover Kitty" as my fake-claim and would've had to play dumb regarding this whole "unfamous but real cat" thing

from the very beginning of the game

. Note that in one of my earliest posts (Post 34), I talk about "actual

famous

cats." And in Post 39, I state that I am "very much inclined" to think that the letter is pro-town, and I *SPECIFICALLY* state that it "could be investigative."
Why is this significant?

As scum, I have a history of making mediocre to terrible fake-claims without properly thinking them through.

Look at Mafia 49 in New York. Look at my terrible play in Two Headed Mafia. Look at how, as much as I tried to make everything make sense, Space Monkey still almost went horribly wrong. (In the postgame, Ether said that she thought I told her I was pro-town, and she

still

found the claim to be strange.) As much as I'd like to say that I'm capable of planning something like this

I simply don't have the creative or strategic capacity to do so.

Pooky's spin was a nice attempt. It ain't gonna work.

Zbut Fred the Underkitty made the news, he was featured on TV or newspaper, I forget which.

Please explain why if you are scum, theo would have to be scum, and how that makes theo scum, and not you.

Why, if he's not scum, would he have to be a vig?

I really don't follow that post, Glork, I must be dense. Can I buy "Glork for Dummies" on Amazon?

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1) There is no indication that this cat's name is "Tuffie."
2) If you wait until the end of the video and glance down at the first video of the "related videos" section, you'll see that the video's name is actually "Sleeping Cat Accident." This is no "stunt cat." This cat is not famous.

Znow I think you're doing on purpose, you are misrepresenting facts very, very badly and ominously.

LISTEN TO THE AUDIO!!!!

You can clearly hear: "Here's Tuffie the Stunt Cat" - the spelling is from the PM, it may or may not be correct.

TRY AGAIN, Glorkscum, TURN UP THE VOLUME!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ETpXoIJz6Js

And if you look at the lower right hand corner, you can see the watermarked initials of the "AFV" program, America's Funniest Videos.

Major FOS Glork

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Heh. Assume Glork is Scum.

Znot much of a stretch of the imagination here.

"Glork Scum" implies that I figured that my scumgroup could win given a mislynch on Pooky today.

So you are admitting that you KNOW that lynching Pooky would be a mislynch? You KNOW that Pooky is innocent? Doesn't that mean you're scum?

But earlier today, you qualified Pooky's post as "spin" which means you were casting suspicion on him. Only scum would cast suspicion on a known innocent, a cop would never do that. And you voted for Pooky!!! Early on, too.

Nai is with you on this, laying suspicion on my claim, too. He claimed there is no mention of my cat on the internet, and Glork supports him by saying my name is wrong, and I am not famous, when I have been on a popular TV show. And WITHOUT DOING PROPER RESEARCH or reading on the link I've already posted twice (and a third time today) - he boldly votes against me, early in the day, when it's important that we lynch properly.

Also, Glork is questioning my choice of players when I have been mindful not to accidentally hurt the town by sending what might have been undesirable gifts.

It really does look like Nai and Glork were talking all night choreographing the day to pull the wool over the townie's eyes.

It's like shooting fish in a barrel. Thank you for making this day so easy.

vote: Glork

- and the other scum is Nai.

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Still, do you realize the plethora of cats who have been shown on America's Funniest Videos? Easily hundreds, possibly thousands at this point.

Zwell, Tuffie's the one I am.

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ZIf the one-shot investigation ability came from me, as the double-vote, it does look like I am distributing some pretty awesome goodies, mmmm, catnip.

Good to know for tonight.

Now, let's suppose for an instant that the one-shot investigation fell into the hands of scum... what then?

Glork, who is claiming cop, came against two townies VERY STRONGLY in the first two days. Yet now on the third, he claims to have a guilty, and, coincidentally, Miztef has an "innocent" on Glork. And they arrange from Nai to cast suspicion on me with Glork's assistance.

This is one diabolical scumscheme. You'll be shoe-in's for a Scummie Award.

I think the scum is Glork, Miztef and Nai.

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Glork saying that he has a terrible history of fakeclaiming and showing us those games is a HORRIBLE excuse.

Zyes, that bit of unglorklike false modesty made the hair rise in the back of my neck, too.

Claims of incompetence, especially coming from Glork, are indicative of manipulative scheming.

I'm telling you. It's like shooting fish in a barrel today.

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THEY CHOSE TO

NOT

KILL CONFIRMED INNOCENTS OR GO AFTER THE DOC IN ORDER TO GET A GURANTEED NIGHTKILL ON SOMEONE WHO NOBODY WOULD THINK WOULD GET KILLED!!!

Zyeah, what's up with that...


But remember how Glork claimed on Day 2?

He VOLUNTEERED to claim, out of boredom. He claimed "Message-Sender." But also he wrote: "As long as one of them asks about the character/alignment in question, I will be told whether my target is legitimate or not." So ***if*** he chooses to ask about the alignemnt, he is told if it's true or not!!!

By George, Glork is right, his fake claims ARE terrible.

I mean, how can you read that crazy post:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 763#598763 and not know that Glork is claiming Flying Pumpkin Shooting Lasers???

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God DGB I would kiss you right now if it wasn't for the fact that we're on opposite sides of the world.

*Zhuggles*

But really we should be kissing the ground Glork walks on, for making it so deliriously easy.

Though it is a masterpiece, and I want to reward it somehow, I do not buy the Flying Pumpkin act and his tightly-scripted sidekicks.

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That's just the truth. I will not be voting Glork because of that investigation. I don't care what horrible crazy plan he has. I suppose my investigation could be incorrect, but I think that's going a bit over the line, even for this game.

Zmethinks you might have a sanity issue, haha, but more likely, you're making it up.

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Mistef, why did you inspect Glork?

Zexcellent question. I want to know the answer to that one, and it better be good.

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Zorry Glork, Pooky makes more sense than you.

I don't accept your explanation, with the hindsight of your cop/message-sender/flying-pumpkin-shooting-lasers claim; I can't help but think that you're NOT a cop at all, but that you are scum trying fool the town big time.

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Plus with all these so called townie allegiances I'm thinking if one's going to have evil tendencies it's Miztef.

Zright... and who would his scumbuddy HAVE to be???

Glork.

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Zpooky has shot so many holes in Glork's arguments, Glork has been ripped to shreds. It's just a gut feeling, it's hard to put into words, but I feel that Pooky has the interest of the town at heart, while Glork is plotting something in broad daylight.

Not one to stop digging his own grave, Glorkscum now lumps me and Pooky as scumbuddies, while claiming loudly that one of either Pooky or himself have to be scum. WIFOM much, Glork?

I wouldn't hitch my wagon on Pooky's star if I didn't believe his argument. I know he can be wily, and I hope I am not being a fool, but I do think I'd be a bigger fool going along with Glork's dangerous plan, especially considering how he's taken the town for a ride two days in row. Fool me once, fool me twice, blah blah blah.

Since I know my alignment, and no one in their right mind would think that scum would have the power to hand out investigations and extra votes, I find that Glork's suggestion that I might be scum very suspicious indeed, and further proof of diabolical scheming on his part.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zah, shucks, now it turns out that Glork won't show up as "cop"!!!

Surprise surprise. I could have predicted that.

So many things can go wrong with Skruff's plan, it's not funny. And unexpected things always happen at night. I'd much prefer to lynch the scummiest player, and that's Glork.

I recall in Evolution Mafia, the confessed scum wasn't killed right away, can you believe it, and there was a similar plan that was concocted, and it didn't work out, and the scum won it. I don't want to see a repeat of that here, I am extremely leery of these night plans. Besides, one or more, if not all, the people recruited for the plan might be scum!!! It never works out as plan.

It's simple, but elegant and effective. First priority is to eliminate scum. Not eliminate a likely townie, and if we're wrong, so-and-so will roleblock, that other guy will vig, and this other guy will be investigated... no way.

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'Add to the seven pseudmasons a townie with several lives (Primate), do you seriously think I am going to fall for the message-sending/truth-detector/cop-that-won't-show-up-as-cop-when-lynched???

So you're right.

I am not taking your claim at face-value

.

Next time you're scum and you want to claim Flying Pumpkin Shooting Lasers, try not to contradict yourself a million times, and try not to change your story as often.

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'nice try, though, Glork. I appreciate your trying so hard. It makes the game more fun. "A for effort."

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'What's even more damning is how bloody long Miztef took to vote for "Glork's guilty" - seems to me, if Miztef's was town, and his investigation was true, he would have voted against Pooky IMMEDIATELY. Like, the next post after Glork's "revelation."

Why the delay???

Smacks of waiting to see which way the wind blows, and how the gambit was going, before sticking his scummy neck out and daring to vote for the targetted townie.

I want to know, why the delay?

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'what sets you apart, Glork, is that you were inconsistent with your claim throughout, and you kept changing it, adding to it, backtracking, publishing errata, admitting to half-truths... hey, forgive me for thinking you're scum after all that.

And frankly, if that's not scummy, it's impossible for anyone to be scummy.

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'it influences the gift, but I don't know in what way. I was toying with the hypothesis that the number of failures might mean something, or give a bad gift as opposed to a good gift, but then I have no idea how this could possibly work, and then, I couldn't control it, so... I guess I'll have to find out at endgame.

[DrippingGoofball]

It would seem that DrippingGoofball is lying about her role, changing her story, and backtracking.

ZNO, I just bothered reading my PM!!!

[DrippingGoofball]

Stop bringing up game balance.

Glork being scum

has NOTHING to do with game balance.

Ziiinng! Bingo! Bullseye!



Say, Nai, don't you feel better now that you got if off your chest???

confirm vote: Glork

Major FOS anyone not voting Glork after his scumbuddy gave the game away.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zsorry kiddo, but that was a perfect freudian slip. And I didn't lie about my role, I remembered wrong.

You wrote too fast. Your subconscious took over. That's why you wrote "Glork being scum" - because you know he's scum, and you let it slip. There's no wriggling out of THAT one.

Thanks for making it so easy.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zthat's because your "contradiction" is so obviously silly.

My abilities are proven, and they are obviously pro-town.

I used my memory instead of checking the actual wording in my PM, it happens, and there's nothing more to it.

The fact that you are going after someone with a total townie role does you no credit, Glork.

I really can't wait to see your scumalignment revealed so that I can rejoice with the rest of the town. I am so sure you're scum, it's not funny.

DIE, SCUM, DIE.

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'And

what d

ou th

ink

about

Nai o

uting Glorkscum

with a Fre

udian

slip?

I want to

kno

w NOW!!!

(Just imitating Glork here for comedic effect)

[DrippingGoofball]

So I don't think anyone this game has claimed mason so far except

Miztef/Thesp,

and

one of those two wasn't town

[...]

Zplease explain. Miztef is still alive. Thesp was town.

Which one of the two do you declare is scum, then? Is the scum the dead townie Thesp, or the still living Miztef?

Just curious.

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'it appears that somebody got a cop investigation - you think scum would be giving out cop-investigations, in a town that already has a role-sending cop (Glork) and a cop/vig (Nai)??? And double votes?

Nai, in your post above you are doing exactly what you complain Pooky is doing, because YOU are appealing to emotion, and YOU are debasing Pooky - when you ought to know for a fact that Pooky's argument about how foolish it would be for scum to claim masons early in the game is taken straight from the Mafia Player Bible.

How could anyone not agree with that? It's been said on this site a million times, and it's common wisdom. Yes, I support Pooky. He's totally right.

Think about it.

I mean - two claimed cop abilities, plus one-shot cop investigations, plus role-pairs that can sorta confirm each other...

Forgive me for thinking some of the cop claims are phony.

The funny thing about the cop claims being piled on, is that none of them are ringing alarm bells as possible counterclaims.

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'I repeat.

***ONE full-time cop (Glork)
***ONE one-shot cop investigation gift (Miztef)
***ONE one-shot cop investigation (Nai)
***SEVERAL role-pairs that can sorta confirm each other...

Forgive me for thinking some of the cop claims are phony.

By the third night, that's a potential of 5 investigations!!! And a whole buncha quasi-masons!

Someone is making up some roles, and I am sorry, the most suspect role claim of all is Glork's Flying Pumpkin Shooting Lasers and Sending Messages at Night with Truth Serum and Therefore a Cop too.

And Miztef's timely "investigation" of Glork coming up innocent.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zeriously, how many scum would you need to balance a game with this many investigations? I'd say at least 9 or maybe even 10. Enough scum to be at LYLO on Day 1, minimum.

Yet there is no evidence of a serial killer (if you believe theo's claim; he might in fact be the SK, if there is one) but the SK works against the town and the mafia. And then you'd hope for balance's sake that he's investigation immune. No evidence of a cult, either, but it cannot be ruled out.

Occam's rasor - the simples explanation - is that Glork's claim is bogus, as is Miztef's. I have trouble believing that Nai might be scum, because such an overpowered town can't be matched against a scum that can be lynched with 3 votes. So I would believe Nai's one-shot investigation, but I have no faith in the other Glork of Miztef.

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'has anyone given any thought to the possibility of there being a cult???

I may be crazy, but I was just thinking that maybe... maybe Glork's "message-sending" ability is cult-leader related. And the "truth-checking" has to do with the whether the player targetted by Glork is recruitable or not - in other words, whether that player is scum or town.

See. That would make more sense than Glork being a pro-Town cop with multiple abilities layered on. Maybe he's a cult recruiter. Does that make sense?

[DrippingGoofball]

***SEVERAL role-pairs that can

sorta

confirm each other...

And a whole

buncha quasi-masons!

[...]

And STOP saying there are mason pairs! It's a LIE, and you should be lynched for it!

Zthat very interesting. I've been very careful in my wording, example, pairs that can SORTA confirm each other, and QUASI-masons. You are obvioulsy trying to misrepresent me, and twist my very clear words. Everyone can see that. Now, after lying about me, you call for MY LYNCH???

Zeriously, how many scum would you need to balance a game with this many investigations? I'd say at least 9 or maybe even 10. Enough scum to be at LYLO on Day 1, minimum.

Yet there is no evidence of a serial killer (if you believe theo's claim; he might in fact be the SK, if there is one) but the SK works against the town and the mafia. And then you'd hope for balance's sake that he's investigation immune. No evidence of a cult, either, but it cannot be ruled out.

Pooky IS right... yes, I agree with him. I think he is being set up by Glork and Miztef. And I am no so sure about Nai.

That'd mean there's at least, what, 4 cult members at this point? Half the game? And the other half is scum? That makes no sense whatsoever.

It does make sense, especially with a game loaded with power roles such as this one.

[DrippingGoofball]

Cult isn't possible, DGB.

Thesp acknowledged on Day One that he recieved and answered my message. He died as pro-town.

Zmaybe he refused to join your cult. I dunno. I am at a loss to explain your completely unbelievable claim, and your scheming behavior in this game, pushing to lynch two townies in a row, and now trying to add Pooky to your feline taxidermy collection.

[DrippingGoofball]

I think it's more that you want to lynch Glork,

knowing he's scum

.

Zwoohoooooo!

Nai's Freudian slip #2!

How can anyone not think Nai is Glork's scumbuddy after that???

I could easily switch my vote to Nai.

[DrippingGoofball]

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 662#647662

ZThis is the second time Nai comes flat out and declares Glork to be scum.

Come on people... the SECOND time!

Glork is a fakeclaiming scum trying to nail Pooky. I am more convinced than ever that Glork/Nai/Miztef are scum, and Pooky is innocent.

[DrippingGoofball]

The claim is believable. Especially if you consider that I play a Vig/Role Cop. However, my role is MUCH more powerful, so I get drawbacks. His is

just

a message sender and a cop

.

Zwhy am I not surprised this is your opinion? "Just" a message-sender, AND a cop. Aw, only that. Yep. It's as toothless as a 50% random roleblocker.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zlook. I want this town to win the game despite its ineptitude to realize that Glork/Miztef/Nai are the scum. But it's looking that of the 3 scumbags, it would be too difficult to lynch Glork, because he's been so good at engineering the lynches of townies, Day 1, Day 2, and now Day 3 with the help of his buddies.

Here.

Maybe this will be easier.

vote: Nai

[DrippingGoofball]

ZNai, I know the English language.
===============

Please explain what is hypothetical in "

Glork being scum has NOTHING to do with game balance

."

Please explain how the "being" is hypothetical.

Please explain that is hypothetical in "

you want to lynch Glork, knowing he's scum

."

Please explain how the "knowing" is hypothetical.

If you try, you're going to trip over your own showlaces.

[DrippingGoofball]

even though his role is a thread confirmed cop

ZWhat does that mean?

Oh, Pookyluv, are we ever going to sail down the misty river in Guilin?

[DrippingGoofball]

Nai - you are tripping over your own shoelaces. Thanks for the entertainment. Now for mroe serious issues.

Why on earth would Glork lynch me?

Zee it from our point of view.

You just TWICE declared a player to be scum. This normally means that you are scum with that player, yes?

OK. The player you have declared to be scum, TWICE, is Glork. I think you're scumbuddies, but here's for the sake of the unconvinced:

(1) IF Nai is scum, and Glork is town, Glork will think, quite rightly, that Nai is out to frame him. Glork will be VERY HAPPY to lynch Nai. In fact, that is a good possibility, since the Freudian slips are so bloody obvious, especially framed within a discourse that is unquestioningly supportive of Glork.

(2) IF Nai is scum, and Glork is scum, Glork might (a) want to dispose of a careless scumbuddy who is overly prone to Freudian slips or (b) want to dispose of a compromised scumbuddy to clear himself. Yet, he might hesistate to bus his buddy, and continue bulldozing with his plan to crucify Pooky and win it for the scum, having all 3, and quite possibly 4, alive tomorrow.

(3) IF Nai is town, and Glork is town, well, that's almost completely impossible, because why would he show that Glork is guilty with Freudian slips, yet defend him? So I am just listing the possibility.

(4) IF Nai is town, and Glork is scum, then he could have a guilty result on Glork, but he's defending Glork, so that's out.

(1) and (2) are possible, (3) and (4) aren't, so that means that Nai can only be scum. There is no other possibility.

[DrippingGoofball]

By the way, for those of you just tuning in, Pooky, a player with a guilty result on his head by way of our cop Glork, has challenged Glork into killing me, a townie, to prove Glork is town.

Z'and for the rest of you just tuning in, Nai has TWICE Freudian slipped that Glork is scum:

Glork being scum

has NOTHING to do with game balance.

...you want to lynch

Glork, knowing he's scum

.

If that's not lynchworthy, I don't know what is.

Who will be brave enough to put Nai to sleep? He's a bad kitty.

[DrippingGoofball]

DrippingGoofBall, are purposefully twisting my words

Zweetheart, your words need no twisting, they are flailing in the wind for all to see. You're not going to fool anybody. Your guilt is certain. As is your association with Glork.

[DrippingGoofball]

It's amazing how consistent DGB and Pooky are being. Both know that they are screwed. So what do they do? First, they twist words, omitting context, quoting only sections of the actual post, etc. THEN, they use those twisted words to try to throw you in a bad light. They use this scheme to avoid answering questions posed to them, to avoid having to explain their own inconsistencies and lies. Then, when you call them on it, they get extremely defensive and say that the only reason you'd call them on it is if you were scum.

Z'YOU KNOW that I have not twisted your words. They are

bona fide

, legitimate, and vote-worthy Freudian slips. I don't need to cast you in a bad light. The evidence is there, in all its blazing glory.

In all my time playing this game, I have never seen such a blatant Freudian slip. One can pass, maybe, but TWO? Two Freudian slips like those and I wouldn't be a responsible townie if I didn't crucify you for them.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zlork, comment on Nai's Freudian slips. Thank you.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zpooky is showing his good faith by offering to take over a vulnerable vote to prove Nai's guilt, his towniness, and Glork's fake result.

Skruffs, please tell me what you think of Nai's double Freudian slips. Your English is good.

[DrippingGoofball]

The first one is still hypothetical. The clause "Glork being scum" is the hypothetical case where Glork would be scum. You are still twisting that and misrepresenting it.

Zhat is a possibility.

The second one is a little more baffling to me, but lapses in thought/typing happen.

Also a possibility.

But when you have TWO of them... doesn't it add up to something greater than the sum of its parts? Like, say, scum?

[DrippingGoofball]

Zyour charm is impussyble to resist, my dear Pooky, purrrr, meow.

@theo - give me a break, and use your brain. Your saying that my cat is hogwash sounds phony and contrived. If you don't like it, take it up with the mod, it's not something I can help. My cat's the cat in the video. Sorry if that doesn't suit your fancy.

Why not instead lynch Glork, or Nai, or Miztef? And then, if any of these are town, which I very, very much doubt, vig me. Or vig Pooky, or anyone you like. If you want the town to win, that's the way to go.

BTW, I did not make a "huge slip" but a mistake from being too lazy to go to the litter box.

Compare that to Nai's double Freudian slip implicating Glork... I think you should be able to figure out who is town and who is scum in that scenario. Think! Think!

Vote for Nai. It's the best strategy. Townies vote for Nai. Nai for today's lynch.

[DrippingGoofball]

(Psst... DGB, where's the second freudian slip?)
(And are you saying THeo is probably a town vig?)

Z'Theo could be an SK, or a vig, who knows. At the moment I don't think he's as dangerous as Glork or Nai. I am seriously considering the possibility that Glork has a godfather-like role, which would explain mhy Miztef has an innocent on him, and why Glork is so bold with his gambit. It's Mafia at its best, but we have to be as good town as Glork is good Mafia.

Here are is the second Freudian slip:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 139#652139

This is the whole sentence:

I think it's more that you want to lynch Glork, knowing he's scum, and you're throwing everything but the kitchen sink at him and trying to see what sticks. Since all else has failed, why not a cult?

Yep. The more I think about it... the more Glork-godfather explains A LOT of things.

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'yep. Miztef strikes me as earnest. He might not be scum. But I believe that Glork is scum, possibly investigation-immune godfather. One of his buddies is Nai. So... that explains a lot. Glork as godfather, his behavior, and Nai's behavior, start to make sense.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zbig mistake, Skruffs. In a way, I totally understand your reasoning and where you're coming from, it just goes to show what a fabulously clever player Glork is. His play in this game has been so stellar I think he should win - only, his scumbuddy has failed him, and his double Freudian slips can only mean that Glork is scum.

And if you pay attention to what Pooky is saying... Pooky is right. And I'd bet my last whisker that Glork will not hammer Nai.

I keep my fingers crossed that someone will see the light and hammer Nai if Glork won't do it. When Nai turns up scum, we'll have the game in the bag. In the remote chance that he doesn't, we'll still win, because we'll easily round up the scumbags.

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'I'd say that roughly speaking, about 1/3 of the games I've played in, have a Godfather. So it's very important to be aware of the possibility.

The Godfather can be played "safe" without drawing attention to oneself, or can be played "risky" by pushing the scum's agenda aggressively forward, safe in the knowledge that investigations will turn up "innocent." And I'd expect the Godfather to play more aggressively especially AFTER being investigated and "cleared." If Glork is a Godfather, I'd expect him to play his Godfather role very cleverly.

It's kind of sad that his great gambit has been ruined by Nai's careless double Freudian slip.

I doubt that Glork is nightkill immune, I think Pooky might be getting carried away here, unless Glork is a SK, and I don't think Glork is a SK, mostly because of Nai's huge slip of the tongue. It is a possibility; a NK and investigation-immune Glork/SK. Maybe. But if there is an SK, I'd take a closer look at Theo, because SKs will often claim vig.

I think - I am not sure about this - that's it's safer for the town to lynch Nai than Glork, assuming, as I do, that both are scumbuddies. Why? Because in the off chance that we may be wrong, we're better off lynching Nai, who will be useless tomorrow because of his vulnerability, than Glork, who needs the full complement of votes. In the 1% chance of being wrong about the Nai/Glork thing, the scum would quicklynch Nai tomorrow, and win it outright. We don't want that.

I also think that if Nai is town (and again, I very much doubt it), that would decrease the probability of Glork being scum. Not completely, but appreciably.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zmaybe, but the suggestion that you are a Godfather is not wild theorization, it is a real and dangerous possibility that we must guard ourselves against - and fits neatly with what Pooky's being saying all along. The case against you, Glork, has many facets, and exceeds the bounds of Pooky's arguments. Me, I am totally sold on Nai's Freudian slips that gave you two away as scum, and the Godfather role.

Miztef does seem earnest in his reactions and posts. With a one-shot investigation, I doubt that sanity is a factor, unless we have extreme bastard moddery at work. Probably Glork enjoys some kind of investigation immunity.

Skruffs is wise not to rush with his vote. Thank heavens.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zorry. Especially looking at the whole sentences. Yours are definitely Freudian slips, as slippery as they come. They're classical beauties. Textbook cases. It *IS* definitive evidence that you are scum. Either scum with Glork (high probability), or you are trying to frame Glork (low probability).

[DrippingGoofball]

I have to take issue with this. Supposing, hypothetically, what I've said are Freudian Slips: In ALL cases, EVERYWHERE, whenever someone makes a Freudian Slip, they are scum?

Z'yes - the degree of suspicion being proportionate to how clearly the Freudian slips can be interpreted. In your case, you have made TWO very straigthforward Freudian slips. The first one might be interpreted one way or another, but the second one is unambiguous. The second one alone means you're scum; prefaced by the first one makes me more certain than ever.

Freudian slips are the best scumtell there is, short of claiming scum. Freudian slips top the list. It's the only kind of scumtell where you can be almost 100% sure. It's the only objective evidence that a player is scum one can ever get.

Glork's reaction to it (or lack thereof!) is further confirmation, but more in the realm of subjective evidence.

[DrippingGoofball]

There is NO way you can call a Freudian slip objective evidence. Since not everyone agrees with you, it MUST be subjective.

Z'yeah - but when "not everyone" means YOU and GLORK - it's adding fuel to the fire, haha.

Freudian slips are the most objective evidence one can obtain in this game. I say a double slip outing THE SAME player as scum is as damning as it's ever going to get.

And Glork, if you actually believe the nonsense you posted that pretty much negates ANY Freudian slip as a even remotely being a scumtell, I am going to have to toss you in a vat of lukewarm noodles.

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'of course you're going to believe that.

I am preparing the butter, garlic and the parsley for you Glork. Get in your bathing suit. I hope you like linguini.

Glork, Nai has compromised YOU. You're not going to say "oh hell yes, Nai has made real textbook case Freudian slips, he's scum alright, vote: Nai" - because if you admit that Nai is scum, that means that you are godfatherly scum yourself. Of course you're going to say it's a typo. But TWO Freudian slips, involving YOU??? Come on. That's evidence.

Though under certain circumstances, such as a single Freudian slip that might be interpreted in a number of ways, a Freudian slip might be considered a weak argument. When you have two, the second one not being subject to interpretation, and both compromising the same player... it becomes a pretty solid case.

Try to find another game where the Freudian slip planets have alligned themselves so perfectly... so, you can't compare to any other game unless there were two slips from the same player A revealing that player B is scum.

I do think Miztef is town, Glork is Godfather, and Nai is his buddy.

[DrippingGoofball]

DGB, both Nai and I have already tried to explain that "Glork being scum" was a hypothetical supposition. There's only been one "slip." Stop repeating that there have been two.

Zhahahaha.

Nope. There are indeed two slips. I do agree that the first might be subject to interpretation. The second, however, is not.

"Glork being scum has NOTHING to do with game balance."
"...you want to lynch Glork, knowing he's scum."

both Nai and I have already tried to explain that "Glork being scum" was a hypothetical supposition.

Unfortunately, since Nai gave the both of you out as scumbuddies, I give your explanation no credibility.

I respect Primate's opinion, but the fact that he disagrees with me does not mean I am wrong, nor does it mean he's right.

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'Interesting. Skruffs, how can you make such an articulate case that Glork is scum, then, based on what is most probably a fake claim from Glork by your own logic, vote Pooky because Glork's role is "better?" Isn't that the whole point of a Flying Pumpkin Shooting Lasers fakeclaim? I am afraid you are falling into Glork's trap.

I think one of the reasons Glork is so insistent that some other player is the Godfather, is to distract from the fact that he is the most likely Godfather in this game.

Skruffs, why would you wish me ill tonight, since we both agree that Glork's tops the scummy player list? You're just as likely to be wrong about Glork as I am, you know. However... I don't think we're wrong, and lynching Pooky might lose us the game.

My rule of thumb is to always vote for the player most likely to be scum, regardless of situation, and to never rely on half-baked "night plans" that might be based on Mafia fakeclaims.

That means we should lynch Glork or Nai. I keep my fingers crossed you're not Glork's buddy.

I will switch my vote back to Glork if there is momentum on a Glork-wagon.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zthat's sorta true. But there is more to it, which I already explained, but I'll repeat it.

First, though others may remain unconvinced, I think that your Freudian slip mean that you and Glork are scum. Now, which of the two should be lynched? Glork is a bigger risk, just in case his claim happens to be true, than Nai. So Nai is the best bet. And yes, it would be easier to nail Nai than Glork, which, given how sure I feel about it, is a definite advantage. If Nai turns up town, we haven't lost much since he can be quicklynched by the scum later on anyway, and Glork is still alive. If he's scum, Glork can be vigged.

Nai is a good strategic lynch for today, especially since, IF he's town, he'll be a huge liability to the town later on.

If he's scum, his buddies won't want to spare him, but if he's town, the scum won't want to lynch him, because he'll be too useful to the scum later for an easy quicklynch. I may be wrong, but it looks to me like the only people that would vote against Nai at this stage of the game are either (1) really stupid scum that deserve to lose or (2) townies convinced of Nai's guilt. That's another reason to trust Pooky, when you get right down to it. He's too clever a strategist.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zpookyluv, there's really little point banging your head trying to convince Nai. The only explanation I can think of for his stubborness to hang on to Glork's innocence, and his refusal to consider the possibilty that Glork might be playing his Godfather role to the hilt, is that he's Glork's scumbuddy.

Since the scum is ahead in the game at this point, quite sadly, Nai has little incentive to do the townie thing, which is to pressure Glork to at least answer your questions. He just wants to squash a townie today, and he's almost there, why back down?

Glork's plot is so transparent, and, with hindsight, started on Day 1, I find it hard to believe that the other players don't see it.

I don't know what to say anymore, except, this is just a game, and the scum's going to win, but hey it's just a game. The consolation prize is that they took the town on a well-crafted ride. I tip my hat to Glork, even though I don't like losing...

[DrippingGoofball]

You highly doubt the town would have no cop.

Yet Miztef's claimed a 1 shot investigation ability

and according to you, you also have an investigative ability.

Sorry you honestly make no sense sometimes.

Zexactly. That's where I hang. If Glork's claim is true, when we've had 5 investigations in 3 days! That's nearly half the players. And who knows if there are other investigative gifts to be passed on later in the game?!?

With so many one-shot cop abilities, why would we also have a cop/message-sender/truth-serum flying pumpkin shooting lasers??? A far more likely and simple explanation is that Glork is Godfatherific.

[DrippingGoofball]

I make posts that start with logic then descend into angry rants, you decided to skip the rational logic, read just the angry rant part and then rant back at me?

Zplease guys, do not let emotions and personal issues get in the way here. Please take a deep breath, an pay attention. I might be wrong, but I get a feeling that you've entrenched yourselves in an adversarial, rather than collaborative discussion.

I beg you Nai, ** IF ** I am wrong about your Freudian slips, please don't dismiss all of Pooky's arguments like it's impossible for him to say anything right. Again, I might be misunderstanding you both, but I almost think that if Pooky would tell you that square-circles don't exist, you'd automatically argue that you see square-circles everyday. I hope I am wrong.

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Z'and I agree fully with the mason day 1 fakeclaim. Even if no one is dumb enough to believe the scum would try to pull it off, one investigation, or remaining alive late in the game, and two scums down for the price of one. If you can't see why that's the stupidest scum strategy ever, I hope you and I are never scum together. Especially with your propensity to Freudian slip like the floor sweeper at banana peeling plant.

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Z'you must be the only player here to not realize how self-destructive a Day 1 fake mason claim would be. It's common knowledge. Even if you have be "benefit" that the town doesn't expect scum to do it, inevitably, near or at endgame, it's going to fall apart as one mason is outed as guilty, and the other is compromised. Two for one.

Glork knows better. The fact that he is not trying to properly educate you when you are so obviously mistaken in your understanding of mafia strategy, is further damning evidence that he'd rather have you fall into his elephant trap, than set you right, and give Pooky the credibility he deserves.

^^^^
Read again. Let settle in your mind. Think.
^^^^

Maybe at the end of the game, he'll laugh at you politely, and explain to you why scum cannot pull a Day 1 mason fakeclaim, it's suicide. Maybe you'll listen to him after the town spectacularly loses.

It's like you have a mental block. Maybe you should think with the left side of your brain!

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'No Alts, bertrand is my son and we use the same computer.

...and

sometimes

someone forgets to log out... (I do it too)... ~Bert

[DrippingGoofball]

Side note - I missed the part you said about DGB possibly being Bertrand's alt.
As far as I am aware, DGB is Bertrand's sister in the real world, and they share a computer.
But this being bastard mod and all, it would not surprise me if DGB is actually Bertrand, or at least knows stuff we don't and whatnot.

Z'I'm bertrand's MOTHER and I am too old to cheat, and I have no knowledge of the game's modding. I don't even ask.

Theo - stop clamoring to hang me. Unless you're scum, in which case it's expected of you.

You should pay attention to Pooky. He's telling the truth - and it's so obviously the truth, it's hard for me to explain the resistance to it, other than scum doesn't like the truth.

As certain as I am that Glork/Nai are scum, I really doubt that Miztef is in on it. I think the more likely explanation is that Glork is the Godfather, and we're really scr*wed.

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Zbut Glork... what if YOU'RE the Godfather? What then?

Just idly wondering.

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'I'll be leaving out of town on Saturday, limited access is foreseen.

Please lynch Glork he's the Godfather. Thank you!

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I feel like a complete retard. Baboons are smarter than me. Pooky is one smooth criminal. I feel for it hook line and sinker. Definitely will be on high alert whenever playing with Pooky. I dunno... what he said made sense to me at the time, though in hindsight I've been a complete fool.

vote: Theo

for gratuitous attack on my claim.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zcrap... night has been so long... plus I've been out of town for 2 weeks... Let's just say that "post restriction" wasn't on my mind.

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'I have been out of town for 3 weeks, and bertrand is on tour until tonight. I have to ask him a question before I can answer yours. I'll be home from Sunday to Tuesday next week, I'll try to pay serious attention to the game.

On Wednesday both bertrand and myself will be gone for two weeks, probably zero internet access.

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'I won't have internet access for two weeks beginning on Thursday. Same for Bert.

My choices for the gift was Glork, Miztef and Nai.

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Because no one has listened to me when I've been pushing for her lynch since the beginning of day 3.

But we have an investigated scum. DGB can wait until tomorrow.

unvote, vote: Theo

Zwhere is the investigation? Nai investigated? Uh? I am leaving for Europe in an hour. If Theo is guilty I'll vote for him.

[DrippingGoofball]

Zweet, I am back from vacation. Lots has happened in this game! I see we are trying to sort things out before lynching theo?

[DrippingGoofball]

Y'know, I've been saying DGB was scum since, I don't know, yesterday, or before.

Zlike, I'm giving out cop investigations and doc abilities and I'm scum? My only crime is to have been a fool for Pooky.

[DrippingGoofball]

It's also not as if things that you've said have directly contradicted each other, and that there's no way a game THIS stacked against mafia could have any mafia power roles.

Zright. Mafia power roles that give even more power to the town? Is that what you're suggesting? You think have a mafia power role, to balance out a really powerful town, that gives more power to the town?

Seriously. Maybe the balancing is that my goodies occasionally might end up in scummy hands?

If Mafia has power roles in this game, they're not giving out investigations and doc protections.

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No, I think it's an act made by mafia with the ability that they can use to make themselves look more town.

Z'One word: B-A-L-A-N-C-E.

[DrippingGoofball]

pleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeease

Zust for you, sweet stuff.

vote: Skruffikins

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'Yep. The investigation and the doc protection would be so useful to the scum!!! Those are the kinds of gifts that would really help balance scum against an superpowered up town! Especially since I don't even know what the gift is going to be when I send it, I can really think deep strategies!
[/sarcasm]

Duh. Yes, I do choose to target townies, since I now know the goodies are good ones.

[DrippingGoofball]

I believe you are scum with a power role to give items to other scum.

Z'Yeah. Like doc protection and investigations. That would be real balanced. And it makes so much sense.

vote: Skruffyluv

[DrippingGoofball]

By the way, as per what IH has said, it seems that you didn't give out a

doc investigation

at all.

Zwhat's that? A cat scan? Hahahahaha...

[DrippingGoofball]

Z'yay!

I am honored and humbled to be given this opportunity to hammer some scum. I will be eternally grateful for the privilege.

unvote, vote: Theo

Die scum die AT LAST!!!

[DrippingGoofball]

Very Suspenseful Vote count:

theopor_COD (2, -3): Nai, Glork
DrippingGoofball: (1, -4): theopor_COD
Skruffs (1, -4): DrippingGoofball

If you think something's wrong, as usual, it probably is.

Z'I am cruelly disapointed.

[DrippingGoofball]

If I say I'm ready to hammer theo, does anyone have any objections, or will people just yell at me as to why I didn't do it two pages ago?

Zplease. Please hammer.

[DrippingGoofball]

My race has been over for a while. All I can say is good luck to my remaining two buddies.

Zso for sure we know that you have one, or three buddies remaining, haha.

Who wants my gift tonight?

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Dgb, might as well try to give it to nai... I don't know if you even can give another one to me or cc. Do you?

Z'I don't see why not!

Two scum down, we've got the win nearly wrapped up. Let's get it right tonight.

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Z'yeah, right. You all fell under a carefully laid out trap by the Godfather/Glork. He's totally dominated the game, bussing his buddies, unchallenged.

Hey Glork, care to tell us why you killed Nai???

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Z'it will end the day, not the game, because I am a townie. This town is playing really poorly, believing we have more investigations than we have players. I can't believe that the town doesn't see through it.

I gave my list of gift recipients to last night's letter writer. Anyone care to check what I sent??? No, Glork's wrapped everybody around his finger.

vote: Glork

[DrippingGoofball]

DrippingGoofball, You are Bucky Katt, evil Siamese Something-Or-Other.

I am no expert on Get Fuzzy, but I do know that Bucky isn't very
smart...

...no, I'm not post restricting you.

This time around, you have invented a mysterious object. It grants
people abilities. It will grant a different ability each night, which
could easily be good or bad, to the player of your choice. You MUST use
this device every night ('cuz it's THAT great), and just in case it
might fail, you must provide two backup targets.

Here's how it works:
1. FOO
2. BAR
3. DOG

With this, you will target Foo. If for some reason Foo can't be
targeted, it will target Bar instead. If that doesn't work either, it
will target Dog. If Dog doesn't work, then.. well.. nothing happens.

You and your leader, Catbert (theopor_COD) and his other minion, Garfield (blahgo), are trying to take over real cats as the favorite pet in the town of Minto. Whether this makes sense or not is irrelevant.

You may communicate with your partners at night. Your leader (Catbert)
will submit the kill.

Yes, the town was way overpowered - too many cops. However, sometimes, that works against the town as nobody believes there can be so many investigators.

For the fun of it, I decided to go totally overboard in my support of Pooky. I nearly got away with it!

[DrippingGoofball]

Hey Nai...

I killed you off because I found you too annaiying.

Haha, a pun.