Mafia 62: Suspicion in Sicily - Game over!

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random vote:mole

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Unvote

No point in leaving my vote on mole, for now.

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Some people are pushing for a lynch way to early in the game. We are not any where close to being ready for a lynch.

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I'm leaning towards voting for TS right now. I should, however, reread the whole case on cubs. I'm going to hold off voting for now.

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Vote TS

I did not like him pushing for a lynch in the beginning of the game, and I do not like him attacking raffles. I admit, raffles was acting a bit scummy, but TS posts right after him attacking him simply because TS has more votes than raffles. Raffles was directing very little, if any, at TS, but TS seems to be offended some way. I dislike that whole situation.

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Hmmmmm, very interesting Hollywood...

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My vote remains on TS for now. I have to reread sometime, but until then, I am confident with where my vote is.

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I was going to reread tonight, but I'm pretty busy so I'm going to do a reread sometime tomorrow.

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Didn't get to reread today, so much crap came up. Hopefully I will be able to reread tomorrow. Until then, my vote stays on TS.

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God Kinkster, you need to actually use punctuation and proper grammar.

With that being said, the two I find most suspicious are Kinkster and TS. I dislike how TS played during the beginning of the game, though eh overreacted against Raffles defense, and I really dislike his vote on Kinkster.

However, after rereading, Kinkster has now appeared as the most scummiest player. Phoebus said something really quite interesting and true.

Putting all of this together leads me to think that you're either very stupid or being intentionally so. Tell me which it is, so that I can decide whether or not you deserve a vote.

I have to believe that he was intentionally being stupid. He has not helped the town out, and he contradicts himself quite a few times. He can't seem to make up his mind. Scummy? I think so. Also, I do not see why he disliked Phoebus's defense for Vitamin. If phoebus believes that Vitamin is a townie, why would he trying to protect him be bad? He is just trying to do what is best for the town, and Kinkster finds that scummy. I dislike that very much.

Overall, I found both of these two very scummy, and I'm confident that both are actually scum. I, however, am only one person and cannot vote twice so I will vote for the one that I find most scummy.

Unvote, Vote: Kinkster

I apologize if that is hard to follow. I'm not really good at these long write ups and such but I thought I try one out. If it doesn't make any sense then please let me know.

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As much as I would like to see Kinkster lynched, no offense you just appear to be the most scummiest to me, I really dislike panzer's vote on him. His grammatical errors are not enough to warrant a vote.

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I understand the lurking, I have been guilty of that. But I simply don't say anything unless I truly feel like I half to say something. I'm not quite understanding the case with me being opportunistic. First I would like to know how I have been opportunistic, and what is so bad about it as well? This is the first time I have experienced opportunism being used as a scum tell and I would like to know why it is considered bad, and how I have shown opportunism in this game.

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I'm still confused how I have been opportunistic, and even if I have, I would like to know why it is considered scummy.

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Wow. I agree that TS has been acting very scummy, but he is already at 5 votes. The majority is 8. Lets slow down guys.

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He doesn't have a case against me raffles.

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Ha, I laugh at that whole argument TS, especially when you think I voted for kison because he had bad grammar. I did nothing of the sort. Your argument is flawed. Nice try though.

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TS, you basically twisted the words of every single one of my posts. You made up your own reasons to make me look scummy. There wasn't one thing I can do but laugh at your attempt.

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Ok, since you guys want my defense for an awful argument, here it is.

CASE AGAINST SCOTMANY:

Day 1

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 934#533934
One sentence. Wimpily unvotes a guy with only 2 votes.

Um, he was a random vote. I'm not going to leave my vote on someone that I have no read on at the time.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 546#537546
One line. Expresses puzzlement that players are pushing for a lynch earlt in the name, which is playing dumb. Who's concerned about that? An early Day 1 wagon almost never results in a lynch. It's just to kick start discussion.

The wagon was growing way to quickly, TS. I did not want us, the town, to make a mistake by lynching someone so early into the game. Not to mention you were pushing for a lynch basically. This post was simply me being a good townie.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 456#541456
One line. Wishy-washy "leaning" towards voting for me (I had 5 votes). Holds off voting.

Oh, so you want me to vote you. This post was just my reaction through glancing through the topic. I had to do a reread before I voted.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 779#544779
This one's precious. He finally votes, opportunisitcally giving me a 7th vote. Why? He doesn't like how I pushed "for a lynch in the beginning of the game." Duh. Everyone knows no lynch would happen, it's just the game, we have to get it going. Berates me for voting for the next guy with the most votes, duh!!!

Yes I did vote for you for pushing the lynch early on in the game. Also, I felt like you had no place in attacking raffles in the way that you did. I think you overreacted with something that was not directed towards you at all.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 870#544870
Another useless "I agree" one-liner.

You exclaim to me what is wrong with this post so that I can come up with a defense.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 743#548743
"My vote remains on TS for now. I have to reread sometime, but until then, I am confident with where my vote is. " - That's all. Ah, but now I am at 4 votes. There's near zero case against me, but suddenly, mister wishy-washy is confident. Stinks of opportunism and convenience. Maybe he didn't like the fact that both me and kinkster both had 4 votes?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 087#549087
Another hollow one line promise to reread.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 870#549870
Still no time to re-read by hey! "Until then, my vote stays on TS" - I am back at 6, kinster at 4.

Ok, so I haven't really been following the topic when I posted the first one. What do you want me to do? Vote for someone else when I don't really know what is going on? Yeah, ok. And the next two were simply saying that I had to reread, and that my vote was going to stay on you cause I found you the most scummiest. That is, until I reread.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 288#551288
Ah! CONTENT!!! Now he's very sure kinskter is sum because of bad grammar and punctuation. Read the whole post carefully. He's confident... but there is no reason for his vote of kinkster whatsoever! None at all. Basically, he says that after rereading, he finds kinkster most scummy. That's his REASON!

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 643#551643
Yet later, he berates Panzer for voting against kinster "for the sake of the English language" conveniently forgetting that he himself committed the same sin just a few posts before.

This I laughed at, because I didn't vote for kinkster because he had bad grammar. I voting for him because he was not helping out the town at all. He was creating conflict after conflict, yet he was trying to act like he didn't know any better. He was acting scummy. That is why I voted for him, not because his posts were hard to follow. Which is why I berated panzer for voting for him for that reason.

Day 2

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 777#563777
Pretends he can't figure out why I found him opportunistic, and therefore, scummy.

I was not pretending. I truly do not know how you think I am opportunistic, and you refuse to tell me how. You also never told me why opportunism is scummy. You are not answering my questions, so how am I suppose to know how I am being opportunistic?

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 758#564758
SUddenly fakes concern at the speed of my DAY 2 wagon.

http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 394#567394
"He doesn't have a case against me raffles." Sorry, you're wrong about that.

Today: since he was put on notice yesterday that he was opportunisitic, he's bending overbackwards to try to look the opposite, ie, expressing false alarm over the speed of my wagon, especially in light of the fact that he's been saying that I am scum since day one, and continues to say so.

But as far as scotmany goes... whoever has the most votes is who he finds the most scummy! Like we wouldn't notice...

Um, yeah. Lets see, you were at 5 votes. With 3 more, you would have been lynched. Do you really want the day to end that quick? I know I did not. Once again, I'm just being a good townie and expressing concern at the speed of a wagon. Even if you are scum, a fast lynch is almost never good. Oh, and since you think I am continuing to say that you are scum, please so me where I have came out flat and said that you were scum in day 2. Oh, and if I always voted for the person who has the most votes, my vote would be on you right now, would it not? So maybe you do have a case against me. Too bad its a crappy one that makes no sense really.

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Why would I say that raffles when I am not the one convinced that someone is scum?

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Sorry, I thought that was directed at me and TS. It would be helpful if you put who you are talking about when you post.

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Hey guys, I am back from my little trip. Sorry that I wasn't able to inform you that I was away, site was down when I left. I'll do a reread soon.

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I don't think raffles is scum. If dp was that suspicious of raffles, I would guess that he would investigate him on night 1. If that is what happened, then raffles would be innocent because dp was not pushing for a raffles lynch. This makes me think that raffles is town.

Secondly, I'm not ready to lynch Rand purely on his lurkiness. I say we leave him at what he is now, and if we can't get anything else going, then he will be our deadline lynch.

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Yosa, I'm not entirely sure on who we should lynch. I was simply suggesting that we don't have enough reason to go out and lynch rand normally. His lurkiness is not enough. Having him be a deadline lynch, however, will be fine. Unless there are more reasons to lynch him, then I think that we should leave him where he is at right now, and if nothing else comes up, then he gets lynched at deadline.

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What were to happen if we have a tie at deadline?

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Hmm, N9V has just been put at -1. Interesting.

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Oh, I totally forgot about the deadline. Putting him at -1 now doesn't seem that drastic to me anymore.

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What exactly does an Army Veteran do?

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If that is true, then that would confirm an existence of a vig. Now the only case is if there are 2 mafia groups or 1 and a sk. If i had to guess, it would be on the latter.

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Raffles, I want to know why you gave very player just 2 people? I'm not against it, just a little confused.

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I see that me and yos only have one person doing one of us. I'm guessing that you will be doing an analysis on me and yos so there are 2 analysis for every player, that is if everyone follows this.

Anyways, I'll try to get one done tonight or tomorrow. No promises though.

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EBWOP

In you, I mean raffles.

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Sorry, been set back a little bit. I'll get both of mine done tomorrow. Who, if when, do you plan on doing an analysis on?

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Just looking over raffles posts, I don't particularly find him scummy. I don't particularly like his play in the early game, with the bandwagon, and I found his defense lackluster, but besides that, I see nothing wrong with him.

One thing that gets at me is DP's suspicion of raffles. The thing that makes me believe that raffles is town is that I'm almost guaranteeing that DP investigated raffles night 1, and he did not push for a lynch day 2(these days might be off by a day or so). Makes me believe that he got an innocent on raffles, or in this case that he does not use guns.

Overall, I don't think raffles is scum. I'll do a more in depth one of these tomorrow, and try to get the other one done as well.

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With raffles, there really isn't anything else I want to say. I really just glanced over his posts, not really analyzing them that much. If you want more then I guess I will analyze his whole play so far.

As for RA, there isn't much on him. He has been lurking most of the game, which I don't think warrants enough for a lynch. Lynching lurkers is fine for a deadline lynch, but I dislike straight out lurking them. One other things that I found intriguing was him hammer on Kinkster, and for a lackluster reason as well. So yeah, I guess he could be scum, but not entirely sure about him due to his lack of interest as it seems.

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This is how cubs plays guys. I'm not entirely sure he is scum because of it.

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Both RA and Cubs have been lurking throughout this game quite a lot. That does not totally make them scum. I view them as just some lurkers who aren't paticularly helpful. I'm not really ok with going out and lynching some one just because they are lurking. For a deadline lynch, lurkers are fine, but I don't want to see them get lynched just for lurking.

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Okay, I think I was wrong about cubs. After looking back at AP's analysis, he was extremely scummy day 1. Him and panzer got into some crap that they argued about, and he was wrong most of the time. Overall, very scummy day 1. Then he vanished day 2. This is when he started lurking. Now I have explained that I don't find lurking enough to warrant a lynch. Lurking in plain sight, though, is different. I find it very scummy. And cubs has been doing this during day 3 and now day 4. He was obviously keeping track of the game, but he did not help at all. Whenever he posted it was either irrelevant or extremely unhelpful to the town. This does warrant a lynch. Before I reread, I though he was only lurking, but this is not the case. It seems he went out of his way to not be helpful to the town. Maybe an SK possibly? If he turns up to be town, then he is a very unhelpful one at that, so the town will not be losing that much.

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Heh, look at that, I forgot to vote.

Vote: cubsfan4ever

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Ah man.
Anyways, good luck to scum.

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Goddamnit Rand. Never give up like that. You just had to convince Raffles to vote with you. Anyways, good game Raffles. You played very well.