Mini 413 - Famous CATS - Over! Quit pussyfooting around!

[Carbon Copy]

i think youre scum for suggesting im scum. Sorry guys for being so late in the thread. I think Zindaras is noob mafia trying to pile on to someone just after they received attention.

Vote: Zindaras

Carbon Copy's probably an alt for a player, or maybe he's an alt for the mod or even someone not in the game.

The question is: is it scum or is it town?

Previous experiences with alts suggest that he should be scum. I've seen alts used in three games. One identical to this, where it was a scum-alt, but also obviously scum by flavour. I've seen one in a very complicated game, which was also scum. I've also seen an alt which would replace a specific player, as if brainwashed.

[Carbon Copy]

what are u talking about? ur attacking me over nothing.

Well that narrows it down to one of like four people.

IGMEOY: CC

[Carbon Copy]

Confirm the above.

[Carbon Copy]

Oh, turns out I'm indeed that close to a lynch.

Well, I started off vanilla, but I got an extra role last night. Don't think that's because of my role though, but rather due to someone else's role. (and I have a fairly good idea who it is)

[Carbon Copy]

Permanent role. There was no flavour. The PM was formatted a bit like this:

You get ability x.

This ability does blahblahblah.

I assumed it was from an inventor.

[Carbon Copy]

*shrugs*

I think I remember seeing permanent inventor-esque roles (usually, those inventor roles are one-shot, though). There are a lot of possible roles that could've given me an extra ability.

I'm just saying I assumed it was from an inventor, as that seemed the easiest explanation to me. I don't know for sure.

[Carbon Copy]

Dying because of your own vote is lame.

Unvote

[Carbon Copy]

Phoebus was obviously a Serial Killer.

Is there a cat, famous or fictional, which has a love for the letter "Z"?

[Carbon Copy]

Oh, by the way, after searching a bit, it appears that Slipper was a polydactyl cat belonging to Theodore Roosevelt.

[Carbon Copy]

I don't like that Glork-DP interaction with the mod detail thing. Also, while I can't think of a non-fictional cat famous for sleeping, I can't really think of a fictional cat famous for sleeping either. (then again, I don't know a whole lot of fictional cats)

[Carbon Copy]

I never heard of that cat. Doesn't seem very famous. Then again, I can't think of a fictional cat that fits the bill either.

Oh, and I decided to get a nice avatar.

[Carbon Copy]

Oh. Well, I wouldn't know that.

[Carbon Copy]

Yeah, just like I was a safe claim provided by the mod, right?

Right

?

*sighs*

There could be a vig. Phoebus was probably a Survivor. I don't understand why Thesp got, well, vigged, apparently.

[Carbon Copy]

Win conditions.

Our goal is to kill the fictional cats, the fictional cats want to kill the actual cats. Therefore, Phoebus, a dog, would not fall under the win conditions put forth.

That's why I thought Phoebus was a Survivor. But you have a point with the Washington thing.

[Carbon Copy]

Mod

, could you prod the inactives? (massive, Pooky and Wizardcat jump to mind)

FoS: Theopor_COD

I still think he could be scum.

[Carbon Copy]

And CC I take it your finding suspicion on me because I vote hopped between your two roles, well excuse me, but 2 role townies like yourself and Primate are hard to believe, I apologise that one of your alter egos came back town, I'd tend to think the scum would already be aware that you'd be town and thus have distanced themselves from the wagon. Which makes me slighlty supsicious of WizardCat.

You voted CC early on, then you disappeared for a while, added a couple of minor things, then you switched. I think that you could show a lot more contribution than you have.

Tell me, theopor, who's scum and why?

[Carbon Copy]

I'm thinking we should probably lynch Pooky and that I don't understand Glork.

[Carbon Copy]

Welcome to what I totally told you guys so yesterday.

Cynical? Oh, well, the whole "noose around my original's neck" thing does that to a kitten.

Also, the mass amount of information, claims and other isanity going on here is what inspires me to go after Pooky. Theopor probably got inventor'd like I did yesterday.

[Carbon Copy]

I'm currently in doubt between Pooky and Theopor. I am also currently confused by the mass amount of strange stuff going on in here.

[Carbon Copy]

I think that every player should probably weigh in on the living players on this wagon.

In definite agreement.

I'd guess about two cartoon-crazies, and right now I'm looking at Theo and DGB as the most likely scumbags on Zindaras' lynch.

I'd say Theopor and one of DP/DGB/Glork (in that order of likelyhood) myself.

[Carbon Copy]

Actually, I have some other things I want people to weigh in on:

-What do you think of the discussion Primate and I had about Phoebus's role? Do you think he was an SK or a Survivor? (please read the argument first)
-What do you think of Goofy's claim?

[Carbon Copy]

If you're worried about focusing too much on Primate, why not instead take a look at the issues raised by Glork and me?

Mod

, could you please send out a couple of prods? Wizardcat specifically.

Wizardcat has been prodded. Any more?
~Bert

[Carbon Copy]

I think her role is a bastard mod role and that it simply gives out abilities at complete random. I am also inclined to believe it, simply due to the fact that I cannot see another reason for the ability I received.

[Carbon Copy]

I'll reread the thread soon.

[Carbon Copy]

THat Aside, if this were a regular game, I would be voting and pushing for Glork to be lynched, and if he came up as scum, to get Primate lynched (twice if necessary, too). IT's not though, it's a crazy game. A game with lots of doubles. A double liver, a double player, a double voted, someone who takes 1/double the votes to lynch...

This is a very interesting theory, Skruffy.

Why do you think phoebus was hit by scum and thesp was vigged?

I...don't know. There was probably some interesting train of thought I was following at that point, or I was simply not paying attention, but I don't know.

I also explained that I would not have expected Primate to counterclaim in the manner he did if he were scum. I still hold true to that belief, at least for now, which is why I haven't bothered to go after him. I'm not pushing the idea out of my mind completely -- my reasons for saying I find Primate to be pro-town are entirely WIFOM-based -- but he is not currently at the top of my list.

Then why did you say you would lynch Primate if I came up town?

Z'O.K., I took a look at Primate. At first, the was agreeing that CC was a more experienced player, which turned out to be the case. But then he was particularly rabid against both Zindie and CC. Especially since Primate reckoned that his own role was nearly identical to Zindie/CC. But Primate's role should be rather provable. It think it's too risky a claim for scum to make. Is there much incentive to test his role? It seems like a rather Townie power. If we confirm him, he might be nightkilled anyway. But then it's strange that he wasn't nightkilled already - maybe the scum was slacking, I dunno. I don't think Primate is scum. His being scum would be a long shot.

Proving his role will not prove his alignment.

good call massive
what do you think carbon copy? Did you sell your townie half down the stream?

What?

Carbon Copy actually received a gift n0, but I don' tthink anyone here knows what it does, and I don' tbelieve he's suggested if he's used it or whatnot.

The only thing I've said is that I have it and that I will not say what it does, or if it even does anything. That will be all.

ZI have a bad feeling about the pussycats that have two bodies, like CC and Zindie. A bad feeling that one is the evil counterpart of the other.

In which case I could simply sell out the entire Mafia team Day 1.

Not that I would, to be completely honest.



I still think theopor is scummy. However, massive's vote there just reeks of 'wagoning.

FoS: Massive, Theopor

[Carbon Copy]

I'll admit I haven't been paying a lot of attention to this game, so I'll throw out a couple of short comments:

Godfather roles are often associated with both kill protection and investigation protection, though almost never both at the same time.

Glork is unfortunately probably right about Primate. We've already wasted one lynch, we'd better not waste another. We need a result here that we can work with.

[Carbon Copy]

Oh great, now they post.

Okay, I've been really out of touch, but I've been reading little parts. If I'm correct, Glork has claimed a scumresult on Pooky, who has since gone ballistic and is trying to get Glork lynched.

I'll attempt to fit in a reread in my busy schedule (though I know I'll be able to participute fully from July 9th and oneward).

Also, Pooky seems to be talking about masons and apparent lies there. I'm getting the idea he's stating that both Masons are scum. I'd like to point out that this game was advertised as out of the ordinary. A lot of Mason pairs and such are possibilities. There's also the possibility of Mason Traitors, so I don't really see the point there. Massive and Primate can only confirm each others' roles (well, Primate's confirmed as town, but massive isn't). Role=/=Alignment.

[Carbon Copy]

CC: Massive is dead -- his alignment is kinda confirmed by that means.

Well, that made me look pretty silly, didn't it?

But the point is still true. Primate could never confirm massive's alignment with his role.

Well - Carbon Copy confirmed receiving an ability night zero. That's why Zindaras got lynched instead, remember? Wonder if Carbon Copy could tell us what that ability was, now.

I'm not going to do that. I see no reason to do so. Don't fish.

[Carbon Copy]

Have you been using it? Because if you have the ability to bus actions around, you are not helping by not talking.
Who's scummy to Carbon Copy?

Again, don't fish. I have never stated whether or not it is a nightrole. This question is awfully suggestive.

As for my suspicions, as I said, I have to reread the thread, but, at the moment, I feel Pooky is the better lynch.

No I don't get you at all

What is the difference between CarbonCopy/Zindaras which is 1 player who is playing 2 characters and a mason group of 2 players?

I'd think there's an ADVANTAGE in that the CC/Zind thing can't have a scum mason because it makes no sense to give 1 player 2 alignments which makes it BETTER than the standard mason pair.

Could you tell me what the difference is? WHY does the role make more sense as a scum role?(note that if it does make more sense as a scum role its very existence would be void as lynching the alt who signed up specifically for this game would be an optimal play whenever such an alt is present which makes the creation of such a scum role entirely pointless since the bloody alt is going to be lynched on day one anyway)

The point is that if I say "Zindaras is town", there's no reason to believe me. It would be the exact same as you saying "Pooky is town". Therefore, I can't call on being a Mason as a way of clearing myself.

[Carbon Copy]

I will fit in a re-read of this game in the coming week.

[Carbon Copy]

Hi. I have a problem. This problem consists of the following: some guy decided to attack me in one of my games (Glork, you might like it, it's the very last installment of PK vs Zindaras, and it's like a Tolkien novel). It's hell to respond to it. Therefore, I haven't gotten around to rereading this thread at all.

I am also going to my grandmother's from Thursday through Sunday (will be back Sunday afternoon) and will afterwards go on a vacation from 23 through 30 July.

Yeah, this looks like I'm going to request replacement, right? But, no. I've noticed this nice little button at the top of the thread which gives me a printer friendly version. I will print the thread and take it with me to my grandmother's, where I will have a nice and relaxed time reading it. I will post my findings when I come back on Sunday. I will then be unavailable for response for a week, but I'll be back up to date very quickly when I come back.

That's my solution. If bertrand accepts it, I will do it that way. I think I need to apologize again for being an absolute asswad.

[Carbon Copy]

218 pages.

This stuff cost me enough money. It better be worth it. D:

[Carbon Copy]

Ah, great, at least I survived.

Primate totally stole my hammer. I've reread most of the thread. I'm ready to kick behind.

My early gut scumgroup was Theo/DP/Pooky. I wonder how close I got.

[Carbon Copy]

Glork, what do you think about the no-kill last night?

[Carbon Copy]

What do you think about the Pooky-lynch? Do you think there was a lot of bussing or rather that his buddies tried to defend him?

[Carbon Copy]

Note: Question was aimed at Glork.

Hi everyone
I made it, woo
I targeted Theo with my random ability last night. Theo, that may have blocked you. There should not have been anything about 'two figures' though - not from me, anyways.

What do you think about the lack of kill and the added possibility of you blocking a killer?

glork - you are so mysterious! who did you target last night?

I think I know both his target and his result. I also think that it's fairly obvious.

[Carbon Copy]

Also, Theo, if I'm correct, you have claimed Vig, yet you haven't Vigged anyone in the entire game.

Have you now learned that fake-claiming Vig is a bad idea?

[Carbon Copy]

Actually, while I'm asking questions, I might as well ask everyone one.

DGB, don't you look silly today? What do you have to say for yourself now that Pooky turned up scum?

Primate, why did you steal my hammer?

Nai, who should we lynch?

Miztef, my notes (which could be wrong) tell me you've claimed Mason. Why are you not a Mason Traitor?

All questions are serious and I expect serious answers.

[Carbon Copy]

Zindaras: I think that I know exactly who the last two scums are. I'm not going to elaborate until I have heard from everybody.

Are there any questions you wish to ask of me?

Pantsman: Same -- I got another guilty last night, but I'm not going to announce who it was on until everyone has weighed in.

Heh, I already have half of it right.

CC -
I would like to elaborate more on the possibility of preventing last night kills but I can't.

Why?

Also, Mistef claimed one-shot cop who knew about the existance of another player in the game (Phoebus, I think). That's according to my mental notes.

According to my notes, Miztef claimed Mason with dead Thesp (and no proof, by the way), and he also knew that Phoebus's role was in the game.

[Carbon Copy]

EBWOP: *Skruffs: Why can't you elaborate on the possibility of having prevented a kill last night?

I should posit my questions clearer.

[Carbon Copy]

I feel like a complete retard. Baboons are smarter than me. Pooky is one smooth criminal. I feel for it hook line and sinker. Definitely will be on high alert whenever playing with Pooky. I dunno... what he said made sense to me at the time, though in hindsight I've been a complete fool.

vote: Theo

for gratuitous attack on my claim.

Well, I'll admit that it's kinda dumb to forget about a faked post restriction.

Well, CC. To be completely 100% honest, I'd like you to fully claim, if you don't mind. I'm pretty sure that I trust you (as I said, I think I know the last two scums -- and you are not one of them). I mean, you've basically done so already, but I'd like to bring a little closure and possibly set up tonight/tomorrow to ensure that nothing can possibly go wrong.

I'm Carbon Copy? I actually lost my Role PM due to the limits of the Inbox (which I just found out about, unfortunately). I'll go ask bertrand what it was.

Also, after everyone checks in, I'd like you to claim my target and result so that I know you're not just blowing steam.

Sure. Shame you already claimed the result though. It takes half of the awesome away.

[Carbon Copy]

For the record - I dont think CC has claimed - soft or hard - that he has the ability to, Glork. I'm not sure ifthat's what you meant by your last post or not.

I do not understand this post.

Goofy, why are you so aggressive? I'm getting the feeling you're trying to do away with your behaviour yesterday and deflect attention.

[Carbon Copy]

Theo, how long will you be gone?

Goofy, what do you think about Skruffs?

[Carbon Copy]

I do not see the point of telling you all my ability. I do not need directions. Rest assured that if I ever catch scum with it, I'll say so immediately.

[Carbon Copy]

Both cases were extremely questionable. However, since my suspicions have transcended the state of "You're fishing", I may find this move just as suspicious, but, as other things have occupied my mind a lot more, they are not a major point anymore.

[Carbon Copy]

Is there a reason to suspect that the mafia has a role blocker?

No. But the absence of a Mafia roleblocker does not mean that I'll just throw my ability on the cobblestones.

I can't help but wonder why CC doesn't want to say anything. It's suspicious to me when townies don't want to give information to other townies.

1) You've said it already. I'm a townie. I'm confirmed town, or at least pretty much as close as you can get.

2) I've claimed my role ages ago. The only thing I haven't claimed is an ability I received from an Inventor, something which has no bearing on my alignment.

3) Other townies? Have you forgotten about the fact that there are still scumbags merrily hopping around?

[Carbon Copy]

Why should I give out information that doesn't help the town one bit, but does help the scum?

I'm also quite amused by the fact that you very much want to know my invention, but you forget the fact that there should be another invention running around, one from last night.

[Carbon Copy]

*mutters angrily about people stealing his catches*

[Carbon Copy]

No. My catch was Theo. My scumgroup was, and still is, Theo/Skruffs/Pooky. I noted it down during my reread. Primate first stopped me from hammering Pookscum, and now Glork is stealing my catch on Theo (and he didn't even allow me to claim it for him :/).

Glork, I find it highly unlikely that Skruffs stopped Theoscum from making the kill. I stand by my earlier thoughts: I believe that Skruffs, and not Goofy, is Theo's last buddy.

[Carbon Copy]

We'll see, CC. And no, Theo wasn't solely "your catch." Obviously, the fact that I chose to investigate *him* showed a distinct suspicion -- one that I was not willing to voice during the day yesterday.

Of course it wasn't. My point is that I spent a lot of time rereading this thread, only to first see someone steal my hammer, then the next day see the guy I was going to push for (and other people hadn't pushed for before) having a guilty investigation on him. I was really looking forward to being awesome again in this game, Glork, and it seems that my chances are kinda...lost.

What's your reasoning that I am Theo's last buddy, CC?
I mean, on what basis? You are saying that I am a godfather mafia, correct?

You are correct. The principle is rather simple.

Theo is scum. Primate is not scum, for obvious reasons. I do not believe Nai is scum, as that would further balance the game against the town. Miztef has confirmed Glork, which means that if Glork is scum, then Miztef also has to be scum. Miztef can be scum on his own, but his one-shot name investigation and the timing of the claim regarding his one-shot investigation came at such a time that I believe that he is town. I do not believe Goofy is scum, and if she would be, my opinion of her will be severely lowered.

Which leaves us at you. You, whose claim is completely unconfirmable (seriously, blind JoaT?). You, who seems to have a love for targeting Theoscum, your little scumbuddy, thereby helping him out with his vig-claim and also making sure your role can never be confirmed.

Allow me to give a little insight on what I've been doing. While going through the stack of paper, I added little plusses and minuses where my gut said something.

I'll let you in on what I got (Note: this only goes as far as post 807).

Theo: +0/-6 (159, 224, 243, 246, 296, 575)
Skruffs/DP: +0/-

11

(288, 305, 406, 408, 417, 432, 461, 571, 591, 654, 656)

DGB and Glork are also in the negative. Glork due to Post 621, which I really didn't like, and his all-around crappy play surrounding his claim and the "non-famous cats" thing. DGB due to her awful play. However, she also has plusses, something which can't be said about you two (she got +4/-12).

[Carbon Copy]

EBWOP: Nai being scum would further balance the game against the scum, obviously.

[Carbon Copy]

For the record My predecesser targetted Phoebus the first two nights, and I targetted Theo the next two nights. I never believed his 'claim' ability, and if you have really been following the game as you say you have, you would see that I wasn't at all pleased with his play yesterday or the day before.

Phoebus was dead by the time you claimed. Theo is your buddy. Your targets reflect badly on you.

Unless you think that I am a godfather, roleblocking mafia, and that I targetted my own goon to distance myself. That makes sense - why would I target the cop

who we now know is confirmed

, if I coudl get extra brownie points by targetting MY OWN GOON. Since there has been only one kill a night (except for night one, when I targetted Phoebus, and claimed MAYBE responsibility for his death, and Theo claimed to have targetted Primate), it makes a lot of sense to block my own goon, don't you think?

You clearly don't understand what I'm talking about.

Theo is not a Vig. You are not a roleblocker. You are not some blind JoaT thing. You are nothing but a normal godfather. You claimed your silly JoaT thingy to help Theo.

Gah, seriously.
I have ALSO been adding plusses and minuses, and I will share them with you right now:
Nai +10/-1
Carbon Copy +2/-100
Theo -190/-23948
DGB -39/-3485734895
Glork +10/-3
Mistef 0/pi
Skruffs +100/0

There we go, infallible scoring system at your perusal.

Good jorb, I'm sure everyone's proud of you. I'll point out that all my plusses and minuses are based on actual perceived scum- and towntells. I do not truly see your point. If there are 11 posts that give off scumvibes, and 0 that give off townvibes, then it's pretty likely you're scum.

What are DGB's plusses, btw?

31, 95, 343, 608.

Oh, and Pooky also had a negative account, but he's irrelevant by now.

[Carbon Copy]

Ah, great, at least I survived.

Primate totally stole my hammer. I've reread most of the thread. I'm ready to kick behind.

My early gut scumgroup was Theo/DP/Pooky. I wonder how close I got.

Post 1053.

I announced before leaving that I was going to reread the thread. The conversation is clear in-thread with bertrand.

The idea behind stealing a hammer is that the guy whose hammer is being stolen doesn't get the chance to actually cast it.

[Carbon Copy]

If I'm some silly godfather thing, then why was there no kills?

That would be me, my dear Skruffs.

[Carbon Copy]

Unlikely, CC. I protected Glork last night.

I protected Glork last night. DGB's invention was a doc-role. I got it. I used it to protect Glork.

I

am the one who caused the no-kill. Not

you

, my dear Skruffykins. You're just the one trying to claim it.

I'm happy I eventually did get my opportunity to be awesome. I'm also very happy to see my original scumteam of Theo/Skruffs/Pooky (which I noted at Post 297) be completely one hundred percent correct. I really wish I had been able to give my results earlier, it would've been a lot more awesome.

[Carbon Copy]

Oh, how endearing. Watch how Skruffyboy entangles himself further and further in a web of lies.

Where's the breadcrumb? When did you get your protective role? Why did you claim to have blocked Theo? If you received a doc invention from DGB, then why did you ask

me

if my invention was pro-town? A doc role is pretty much as pro-town as you can get.

There is no need for all this foolishness. I will protect Glork tonight, you will "protect" me.

[Carbon Copy]

I do not believe you for one second, Skruffs. I think you've been caught with your hand in the proverbial cookie jar, and now you're trying to get out of it.

[Carbon Copy]

Ah, so you *did* get a protective role. That was my first guess, but then when you said you knew who I targeted and what result I got, that confused me and I thought maybe you had a tracker role instead. Did you eventually end up with two roles/abilities, CC? How did you know who I targeted and what result I got?

You didn't exactly try to hide it, Glork.

The following letter has been found:

No
Yes
Yes

Also, everyone who went to sleep is now awake! Woohoo!

IT IS NOW DAY 4.

This is of course the first relevant post. Personally, I think the letter's answers already remove Goofy from the list of possible investigations, since I reckon she'd be a lot sillier in them. Also, I wouldn't have expected you to investigate Goofy. Maybe I'm just saying it because I would've done it, but I think you'd have gone for Theo at that point anyway.

Have you anything else to say, Theo?

This is the first (large) hint that you investigated Theo. I got the idea you were trying to milk your investigation here. Of course, due to the whole letter thing, Theo knew he was screwed from the start.

Zindaras: I think that I know exactly who the last two scums are. I'm not going to elaborate until I have heard from everybody.

Pantsman: Same -- I got another guilty last night, but I'm not going to announce who it was on until everyone has weighed in.

This only solidified my ideas.

I by no means

knew

your target and result. I simply figured it out on my own. The fact that, if investigated, I expected Theo to come up scum did help.

I don't really know yet. I know nothing about the nature of DGB's granted abilities, so I don't even know how that's possible. However, CC asked Theo why he lied about being a Vig before I even *hinted* at who my result was on, so I can tell that he knew who I tracked and what result I got. The reason I'm asking CC what's up is precisely

because

I don't know what's going on.

What, you actually think my Theoscum thoughts are in retrospect now that you've claimed scum on him?

I think you're taking this way too personally. It's your fault for not saying anything the majority of this game, and not saying anything before Glork gave his investigation. It's not Glork's fault he's being a good cop.

I think you're totally missing the joke. Also, I'm not saying I played awesomely before I went away. I announced I would be away and rereading the thread. I did so. You think I'm quivering with rage or something? Because I'm not. I'm somewhat disappointed that I'm not going to get a whole lot of credit for this game, especially seeing how I'm disappointed with my play up to this point, but that's it. (I did, by the way, say something before Glork's investigation)

Yes, he's unconfirmable. But a person who targets another person doesn't make him scum. It could mean that he's townie that has been targetting someone he's thought is scum.

I'm not saying it makes him scum. There's more to this than just his claim. But the fact that his claim works to validate Theo's claim of Vig does not reflect well upon him.

What about DGB? She is so absurdly out there I'm amazed she's still alive.

Yes, DGB. On DGB, my gut reigns supreme, but, to be honest, I really can't see her playing so awfully as scum (I would say she's been playing worse at this point if she's scum than if she's town). I can't really see her tie herself to Pookscum in such a clear, obvious way.

Yes, I could be wrong about her. Very easily, in fact. But I think she's town.

This is an all around crappy way to prove that someone is scum, and shouldn't be considered at all.

So actual scummy posts are a bad way of proving someone is scum?

Well, I'm sure you have a lot of fun relying purely on Cop claims, then.

I love how you completely ignore half the game. Y'know, my actual play, how I've been vehemetly against Pooky and DGB (one of which is confirmed scum), etc. You've been out of the game pretty much the entire game. Your voice, at least to me, is not worth much.

The fact that it would further unbalance the game is the easiest and quickest (and most definitely the most objective) reason to drop you from the list. If you want a friggin' serenade on how awesome you've played, you can go look somewhere else.

Scumtells and towntells are WIFOM, period. And gut feelings are subjective evidence, not objective, and should be discounted.

Yes, we should catch scum using claims and throwing dice! That's great! That's awesome! Let's do it!

Also, saying tells are WIFOM is hilariously wrong. I'm absolutely astounded at the fact that just a paragraph or two ago, you were whining about how you played so awesomely and went against Pooky and Theo so much, and here you're saying it's all WIFOM.

I don't give a rat's ass about my gut being subjective. My gut feelings are based on actual tells. My gut feelings also have a fairly high success rate. If it works, it works.

I love comments like this. Purely egotistical. It's a statement of "I got a role that can do this. But since I got a role that can, there's no way you could possibly have a role that could do a similar action. You know, like a doc and a roleblocker, perhaps?

No, you see, Nai, Skruffs has been trying to claim responsibility. Responsibility for something he did not cause. It's what, y'know, scum likes to do. They try to claim the responsibility for something they weren't responsible for so they look good.

He DIDN'T. This entire time THEO said he blocked him. The ENTIRE TIME Skruffs was saying he could NOT have done so.

I targeted Theo with my random ability last night. Theo, that may have blocked you.

And I think you're an extremely misguided townie who has no idea how to help the town, and has a very bad scumdar.

This is probably the most insulting thing that has ever been said to me in a Mafia game. It is probably also the most baseless crap that has ever been said to me, so I guess that evens it out a little.

I jumped in today with Theoscum (before Glork had even posted). I correctly predicted Glork's target and result before he even hinted at it, to use his own words. Yes, I am obviously extremely misguided, have no idea what I'm doing, and all-around suck at this game. Post 160, Post 240 and Post 268 are also clear evidence that my scumdar sucks.

[Carbon Copy]

Carbon Copy - you didn't acknowledge my chain of protections idea. Do you think that it is a bad idea or a good idea? I'm basically offering my throat to you by putting Glork's protection in either you or my's hands tonight. I would really like your opinion.

I've already stated my opinion on this. You protect me, I protect Glork. I'm okay with that as plan.

Theo is today's lynch anyway, I've mostly been busy trying to get my say in before I died, which has now pretty much become impossible.

[Carbon Copy]

EBWOP: I figure I should elaborate on that. I do not believe DGB gives out roles based on alignment. I'm very happy with Skruffs-->Zindaras-->Glork as chain of protection.

I also agree with your idea about double-voting. Though I seriously doubt DGB's role works that way, it can't hurt to try.

[Carbon Copy]

Errr? Why is it impossible to get your say in before you die?
You're not going to die. You're going to be protected. If Glork dies, you will be in trouble, though.

Up until your claim and our subsequent plotting of abilities, I was very likely to die, being doc.

Question - if I am a godfather and I targetted Phoebus two nights in a row and there was no actual role blocking involved (I am considering [based on theo's frustration] that perhaps all of my actions are actually roleblocking) then why were there not more kills on the nights that Phoebus was alive? Zindaras - you did not protect anyone n0, which was the night you received your action.
Who did you protect in later nights?

Phoebus was only alive on Night 1, the Night where there were actually two kills. It makes perfect sense.

I'm not sure, but I believe I protected Wizardcat on Night 1 (not 0), then Glork from then on (I'm fairly sure it went that way).

Why Wizardcat? Wizardcat was the only person I felt pretty sure was Town at the end of Day One. In retrospect, it was a bad decision, but that happens more often.

[Carbon Copy]

Oh that's right, N0 was a kill less night. But we still got to take actions, it's just everyone was protected.
But if Phoebus was a serial killer - than that means that HE killed thesp - something someone else has already claimed responsibility for. Assuming nobody vigged and my action didn't kill Phoebus and mafia killed Phoebus, then the one-shot vigger must have been lying. There's too many assumptions in that theory, though. Maybe the one shot-vig on Thesp worked, maybe Phoebus attempted to kill Wizardcat that night, and maybe mafia killed Phoebus?

It is also possible that Phoebus was a Survivor and the one-shot vig guy is talking the truth.

(Though I'll admit I had kinda forgotten about that particular claim...)

[Carbon Copy]

Miztef hasn't posted on-site in over a month.

bertrand

, please replace him. You may find Ether willing to replace in, so I'd start with her.

[Carbon Copy]

Glork - would you prefer I protect ZIndaras protect you, or vice versa? It's likely that the last person in the chain (me or zindaras) will be killed since they have no protection. The last person should be the more likely scum, because they can't kill the middle person without drawing attention to themselves, and can't kill glork regardless. They also can't kill themselves. If I protect zindaras, would you please inspect him tonight? Just to assauge my suspicions that he may just be fake claiming in order to get me killed because he knows that I protected you last night. You know, standard stuff.

Mistef hasn't posted, so I'm willing to bet he is the one with the gift.

Good jorb leading the Cop.

[Carbon Copy]

Because no one has listened to me when I've been pushing for her lynch since the beginning of day 3.

But we have an investigated scum. DGB can wait until tomorrow.

unvote, vote: Theo

Zwhere is the investigation? Nai investigated? Uh? I am leaving for Europe in an hour. If Theo is guilty I'll vote for him.

Please, Goofy, pay a little more attention. Glork has a scum result on Theo.

I still say we shouldn't get too hasty here.

[Carbon Copy]

IH has no gift....

Nai, I would suggest you don't use your ability, because of the dangers, but I'm sure you know.

Does the town think there is any merit in Glork and I investigating the same person (even if I'm unconfirmed) I'm unsure if I'll get an alignment every time (there was something alluding to that in my PM), but i will get a role and flavor everytime, not to mention, it seems to an almost confirmed way to get an investigation if CC protects Glork, as my death would only confirm Glork all the more.

I will also attempt to finish the last 13 pages tonight.

I thought it was a one-shot deal...

There is no merit in investigating the same person. Role names are pretty close to alignments here.

[Carbon Copy]

Skruffs's every post only furthers to strengthen my belief that he's scum. He first basically put his choice in my hands, then when I told him to protect me, he switched to begging Glork, and now that Glork has also said that he should protect me, he's twisting around again and saying that he'll ignore his own promises and statements, basically saying that I'm going to die the coming night.

Skruffs, if I am fake claiming a doc role and killing Glork, then I'm dead. Capiche? The game's lost. There's no such thing as a 5-player (including my alt) scumgroup.

To put my role on the same terms as a vanilla townie is just plain preposterous. I'm an alt. My real account

died and came up town

. For me to be scum, I'd have to be a death godfather with an alt attached.

The fact that Skruffs is announcing that he will not do what he himself announced he would do is extremely telling.

I asked Skruffs the following questions in 1124:

Where's the breadcrumb?

When did you get your protective role? Why did you claim to have blocked Theo?

If you received a doc invention from DGB, then why did you ask

me

if my invention was pro-town? A doc role is pretty much as pro-town as you can get.

Bolded are two important and

unanswered

questions. Why important? Because they are clues that Skruffs is lying about his story. Skruffs did not breadcrumb. Skruffs did not wish to answer the second question because

the question doesn't make sense if he has a doc role himself

. The fact that he asked me a question that his own story infers he has the answer to says enough.

Now, let me take you on a tour throughout today and how Skruffs has tried to sight up night targets:

But that's fine - You protect me tonight, and I will protect Glork. If Glork dies, lynch me in the morning. If I die, you get lynched in the morning. Potentially switch mine and your places.

I am more than happy to target you with my doctor and you target glork tonight. Since I have a confirmed town on me by glork and you doubt I have the roleblocking ability (being a godfather and all that) - Glork should be able to query DGB tonight after a lynch on Theo today. I may be dead in the morning, but you won't be, and Glork won't be.
Are you cool with that?

You're not going to die. You're going to be protected. If Glork dies, you will be in trouble, though.

Glork - would you prefer I protect ZIndaras protect you, or vice versa? It's likely that the last person in the chain (me or zindaras) will be killed since they have no protection. The last person should be the more likely scum, because they can't kill the middle person without drawing attention to themselves, and can't kill glork regardless. They also can't kill themselves. If I protect zindaras, would you please inspect him tonight? Just to assauge my suspicions that he may just be fake claiming in order to get me killed because he knows that I protected you last night. You know, standard stuff.

(Also note how he's leading the Cop)

Glork - are you sure? When I die, you are basically losing one of your investigations.

*sniff*
Okay, glork.

Carbon Copy - Please consider this - I have claimed the doctor's gift. I also have OTHER actions to be taken - and you don't. If I am scum, I can not kill Glork tonight because I would be instantly lynched as a liar for fake claiming doctor in the morning, so I can not and will not kill him tonight. Likewise, one of me and you has to be killed. You have no other claimed actions, I do. I also have an innocent investigation on me.

It really really makes more sense to protect me, knowing that if I am lying, and stupidly kill the person I am claiming to be protecting, that I will be lynched tomorrow. If only because I get two actions in one night, and one of them MIGHT be a role block, which could also, if used against mafia, protect YOU from getting killed, which is something you can NOT claim to offer to me.

Glork - I'll probably wind up protecting you, because if Carbon Copy is fake claiming a doctor role, and is scum, you are left unprotected tonight. That, or I will protect IH, who is claiming to have multiple inspections, after all. I really am disappointed in your logic to trust an un-inspected claimed vanilla townie over an inspected claimed-joat, though, for future reference.

Skruffs continuously downplays my role-related innocence and continuously tries to invoke the innocent investigation to strengthen his own. Yet my alignment is clearly more confirmed than his. He appeals to emotion. He asks me what he should do. When I don't give him the answer he wants, he asks Glork what to do. When Glork doesn't give him the answer he wants, he backs out again and announces he will do what he wants, furthering his own scum-agenda.

[Carbon Copy]

EBWOP:

Protect Zindaras.

Target either nobody or DGB. I'm leaving it up to you because I am interested to see what you will choose.

I thought I made this clear already.

This says enough. It is clearly in the best interests of the town to set up the best chain of protection it can. Skruffs is refusing to work for the best interests of the town. Therefore, he is scum.

To be honest, this reminds me a lot of the situation I found myself in at the end of the original Smalltown. I (as last scum) had talked a lot about killing Eon (the Bomb, takes last voter with him) and how I'd hammer him if the town wanted me to. Then, when I found myself in the position to actually hammer him, I came at a crossroads: either back out and be in huge trouble over it, or hammer and hope the Governor (lynch vetoer) would save me. Skruffs found himself in the same position in this game. He could back out of his promises and not protect me, or he could do what he said he would and be in trouble anyway. He clearly chose the second option. He is also quite clearly scum.

[Carbon Copy]

Glork, you really should start proofreading your posts.

[Carbon Copy]

I'm the one who suggested the chain.

Which makes it all the more suspicious that you didn't follow up on it later on.

You ignored it. Here:

Carbon Copy - you didn't acknowledge my chain of protections idea. Do you think that it is a bad idea or a good idea? I'm basically offering my throat to you by putting Glork's protection in either you or my's hands tonight. I would really like your opinion.

This is post 1133. Now, this is what I said in Post 1124:

There is no need for all this foolishness. I will protect Glork tonight, you will "protect" me.

Don't misrepresent me.

You demanded to be the one to be protected, in unfriendly terms.

You said you would protect me if I told you to. The way I tell you isn't relevant. (Though I will admit I may have been somewhat over-the-top in my statements. I believed that to be the best way to hammer my point home)

So I decided to ask glork who he trusts more. You are claiming to be cleared because you had an alt in the game, but, that's not definitive proof. IF I was both a scum and a town player, I would definitely sacrifice the town player to keep the scum alive - sacrifice the scum,a nd you lose the town player to. But that doesn't match up because this is Cartoon Cats mafia, not clone cats mafia, so unless the two of you were also some sort of mason-survivor buddies, it's extremely, extremely unlikely that you are scum. You are still ACTING very scummy, though, and you yourself are contesting Glork's investigation on me, saying that I am definitely a godfather, so apparently you do not automatically feel that things are exactly as they seem. So why are you bitching so much when another player attempts to keep his eyes open to all possibilities? Anyawys, that aside...

On one hand, we have the possibility of a godfather. On the other hand, we have the possibility of a death godfather with an alt (or double-alignment role, but in that case, I would never have bothered with a reread).

I daresay that the possibility of a Godfather, a fairly common role, is a lot larger than a death godfather with an alt, a role which most assuredly has never seen the light of day.

So you are saying you are a CLEARED vanilla townie, whereas I am saying I am a blind joat, with an investigation on him, and thus SHOULD be cleared but the cop who investigated me himself doesn't seem to believe it. Which doesn't make sense, but, whatever. I have two actions a night, you have one. We're both 'cleared', and you think I'm scummy for doubting you, and you reserve the right to doubt me. It's all very heavy handed and asinine, don't you think?

There are different measures of being cleared. My cleared is a cloudless sky, your cleared is more like a break in the clouds.

Just like there's a difference between a mason with mod-confirmed innocence and a dead partner (which is a fairly close representation of my role) and having a town investigation on you. You may be cleared, but I'm cleareder, clearedest, whatever way you want to say it.

And, to be honest, you have not given me a speck of reason to trust your claim. I see absolutely nothing. What, you blocked Theo from killing? Yeah, right. Theo couldn't kill to begin with. All your claim did there was back up his Vig claim.

As for number two, having received the gift, and comparing it to OTHER gifts - are you now doubting that I even received the gift at all? - I was trying to figure out if there was a pattern to the gifts that DGB sends out.

I doubt you received the gift at all, yes. Why did you ask the question if my gift was clearly pro-town if you already knew your own gift?

I actually brought this up, here, where it was promptly ignored:

Here's an idea: I *definitely* have a doctor role. Carbon Copy ALSO apparently has a doctor's role. We both protected Glork, supposedly.
The only other person who seems to have gotten a role is THeo - who had a one-day double vote. I'm willing to bet that is from DGB.
I'm wanting to test a hypothesis that DGB's gifts help whoever receives them. Scum get double votes, townies get doctor abilities. This is based on the assumptions that Theo got his double vote from DGB, that Theo is scum, that I am telling the truth and am Town, and that Carbon Copy is telling hte truth and is town.
I'd like everyone to unvote Theo and then, one at a time, we all try to double vote. Whoever got DGB's gift last night isn't talking - so I'm willing to bet that whoever it is may be scum and doesn't want to be revealed.

You would have noticed, But I think you were maknig sure everyone knew that you intended to lynch Pookie but that it was stolen from you.

This suggestion is based on nothing. It's pure speculation. Useless speculation. And if you follow it, then I am cleared as town and you should be protecting me anyway.

I'm sorry that you don't want any scrutiny about your position in this game at all. Apparently "bastard mod" in the very beginning post means "bastard mod... except for when cc says it's not".

Bastard modding, yes. But death godfathers with an alt are overdone. It's bastard modding to the extreme, and I seriously doubt you'll ever see the role, even with the most bastardly mods. On MS, bastard modding usually doesn't go a whole lot farther than Godfathers and Mason Traitors.

You want to raise the possibility of a death godfather with an alt, sure, I'll accept that. But I daresay that the chance of having a plain godfather is a

lot

higher than that of having a death godfather with an alt.

You yourself are trying to make this a false dilemma by saying that either I or YOU has to be scum, which is wrong.

No. It is either you or me who has to be the last in the chain of protection. That's the dilemma. I'm not saying it's either you or me who has to be scum.

I'm not surprised, though, because you immediately took Theo's claim that I had blocked him twice and went with the idea that I was fake claiming role blocking him EVEN THOUGH I DID NOT DO THAT to protect him, which makes no sense because with no kills it means that both vig and scum were blocked/prevented through a doctor. This was BEFORE I claiemd doctor, so apparently you've had a chip on your shoulder against me since the day started. Did I come into today with a chip on my shoulder? No. I didn't. And I still don't.

Your targets were Phoebus (until he died), and afterwards Theo, right? You have stated on multiple occasions that you may have blocked Theo. That backs up his claim.

Glork, suggesting I am trying to get rid of the other doctor is idiotic. There are two claimed doctors and now, two claimed cops. As well as an inventor. You want Sole Protection for the rest of the game, and I am trying to keep things mixed up so that scum only really have ONE choice to make tonight. I'm really, really surprised at both your lack of cooperation/enthusiasm and in fact your OWN trying to direct power roles - something that CC has no problem accusing me of but uignoring about you.

Are you intentionally missing the point or is it just an accident?

I accused you of leading the

Cop

. At this point, leading the Docs is a good thing to do, since we want multiple people to survive and a chain of protection only helps us that way. A chain of protection serves to limit the scum's opportunities,

especially

if you are the last scumbag, a most certainly possible scenario.

I will protect one of Zindaras or IH tonight, and I will target one of DGB or Primate, unless THeo turns out to be scum, in which case I will target Glork, probably, and protect one of hte other two for sure.
Oh, wait, I know, I know, I know, if one of them dies I'll just claim I protected the other, right? IT's a 50/50 chance scum can avoid by killing me, sicne it is a known fact that there is no chance that the other doctor would want to protect me. Well how do you suggest protecting The other claimed cop? Or don't you want to?

No. Everyone wants you to protect me. You can say that the scum can avoid the 50/50 chance by killing you, but that says nothing about when

you

are scum. If you are scum, I daresay that there's a 100% chance that you just happened to protect the wrong guy.

Yes, the fact that IH has claimed an investigative role as well does change some things. However, I do not believe it warrants a change of plans.

Carbon Copy - How much are you willing to bet that I am scum?

If I had a one-shot vig, I'd use it on you. (if it's a night ability. if it's day, Theo would be dead, but only because he has a scum investigation on him)

If I am town, and are proved to be so, will you promise to do a favor, any favor I ask, for me?
There's no way I can just let such rampant, deluded cockiness go untested.

Depends on the favour.

[Carbon Copy]

"No. It is either you or me who has to be the last in the chain of protection. That's the dilemma. I'm not saying it's either you or me who has to be scum. "

But don't you see?
"On one hand, we have the possibility of a godfather. On the other hand, we have the possibility of a death godfather with an alt (or double-alignment role, but in that case, I would never have bothered with a reread). "

and

Or how about "Or maybe we're both townies" - you are trying to make it one way or the other, or at least, until I turn up town, and then you will just say I was acting scummy and it was not a bad lynch, anyways.

God, man, don't you get what I'm saying? Yes, maybe we are both townies. But that is irrelevant. The dilemma lies in the fact that one of us has to be the last in the chain of protection. It doesn't matter if we are both townies, it doesn't matter if that option exists. One of us must be the last in this chain, and it must be the one who is scummiest: you.

What do you know about Theo that suggests he can't kill?

Wait, wait, lemme think.

Maybe it's the fact that he's scum. Because, you know, scum don't usually get a kill of their own on top of the group's kill.

In what way was my claim seemingly or overtly intended to back up his vig claim?

Because a Vig who fails to kill so many nights in a row tends to look fairly suspicious.

You seem to be insinuating that me and theo, as scum, decided to have Theo no-kill in an attempt to say that I roleblocked him as vig.

Note how Skruffs again completely misrepresents what I'm saying. I'm saying that you are not a Blind JoaT and that you don't have a roleblocking ability. I'm also saying that Theo isn't a Vig and doesn't have an extra kill.

Then me and theo would immediately bus each other the next day, with me also saying I protected glork...
That's the only way I can see that you would think I was trying to 'back up' his vig claim. Is there another way to look at that?

You never intended to claim you protected Glork. You intended for him to die. You thought something else had happened and tried to claim responsibility for Glork's survival, thereby putting your hand into my little mouse trap, which snapped shut nicely.

And now I'm going to eat you. ^_^

I don't know where the term "death godfather" came frmo, but I don't think it was me. My suggestion was that you and zindaras formed some sort of siblings team, oen town, one scum. Taht was my suggestion. Go back and find the first use of "death godfather", which I am taking to mean "Shows up as godfather on death", which sounds like a cop-immune miller (?).

Death godfather means "Shows up as town upon death while really scum". Just like death miller means "Shows up as scum upon death while really town." rather than "Shows up as miller upon death."

And, seriously, a role which always wins the game? Yeah, I was going to really do my best with

that

role.

'Your targets were Phoebus (until he died), and afterwards Theo, right? You have stated on multiple occasions that you may have blocked Theo. That backs up his claim. "
I have stated that I targetted Theo. I have NO IDEA (meaning - no clue) what my targets did, if ANYTHING. Theo claimed to have vigged someone last night and accused me of blocking him. But if he actually mafiakilled Glork, and assumed I blocked him, and that's why it didn't go through, then that explains why he immediately voted me and said that I was framing him as a way to throw suspicion on to me. And I definitely DID NOT target Theo the night he claimed to have targetted Primate, but, since he actually killed someone else, that seems to have been explained away, now.

Theo never killed anyone. Nai claimed responsibility for the only kill in the entire game that is not explained as Mafia kill. Your claim backs up his claim because, this way, he can get away with not killing anyone.

My theory that I may be a roleblocker is a Theory, and you would rather just say that I am scum fake-claiming blind joat and that I don't have any abilities at all apaprently. Fine, you do that. Meanwhile, I'll keep trying to figure out the puzzle that is this game.

Note: Skruffs completely ignores my point. Instead, he simply states I'm being useless and that he is trying to figure out the game.

I don't give a mouse about the game (though I guess I really just flat-out don't give mice. I eat them instead). It is

far

more important to figure out who the scum are, and that's what I'm doing.

[quoteYou and Glork =/= Everybody, despite that you seem to be playing the game as if that were the case.[/quote]

Btw, on reading, I pretty much agree with Glork on most things and Zindie on pretty much everything.

Nai, Goofy, nor IH have said anything about it, as far as I can tell (and I personally take their silence as an agreement with what we're telling you to do). I daresay, however, that the insistence of the three people most confirmed as town (Glork due to several scum investigations and Miztef's investigation on him, Primate due to his death and me due to my death) would be a rather convincing thing.

To me, a claimed cop is a lot more important than a claimed doctor. IF scum want to kill one of you or IH, they'll have to deal with the 50/50 chance. I am not assumign anyone is anything until they turn up dead with their role revealed. I am pleased that you have no problem doing the exact opposite, but, whatever.

Glork is a claimed Cop. A claimed Cop who has led us to the death of one scum and very likely to the death of another soon. IH is a claimed rolecop who has led us to...uh, thinking Glork is town? I daresay that the continued existence of Glork is far more important to us than the continued existence of IH. For that purpose, it is quite simply the optimal play to protect me, as that'll buy Glork another night, and, if IH dies and comes up town, it'll finally completely confirm him.

The favor would be You, Zindaras, for no less than sixty days, placing the below quote in your signature, on all accounts, on this website, immediately after I am revealed to be town.

"I'd rather play a game of Mafia with Skruffs than save a car full of kittens from drowning."

I see no point in doing something that has nothing to do with this game.

Vote: Skruffs, Vote: Skruffs

I see no point in putting Theo at Lynch-1.

[Carbon Copy]

Why even vote Theo for it? We might as well vote others. If anyone votes Theo, he's put at Lynch-1 now.

As long as we don't vote Theo or Nai, voting anyone is okay.

[Carbon Copy]

What do you know about Theo that suggests he can't kill?

Wait, wait, lemme think.
Maybe it's the fact that he's scum. Because, you know, scum don't usually get a kill of their own on top of the group's kill.

That's not what I said. And that's not what you said.
Here's what you said:

"And, to be honest, you have not given me a speck of reason to trust your claim. I see absolutely nothing. What, you blocked Theo from killing?

Yeah, right. Theo couldn't kill to begin with

. All your claim did there was back up his Vig claim.

vs

What do you know about Theo that suggests he can't kill?

What you bolded was a statement. You asked a question. I answered it. The fact that he's scum suggests he can't kill. I'd say that's fairly obvious.

For all we know, Theo *has* been killing though, just not the people he claims to be targeting. Or at least attempting to - I am not trying to say that Theo tried to vig DGB and I stopped him. It is far far more likely that he attempted to kill Glork and I protected Glorf. Well, and you protected Glorf. I know I protected him, I trust that you did, too. The alternative is that you are scum fake claiming a doctor's role or something, but, I'm not going to consider that, anymore. While I personally don't like being accused for having the same gift you have, and the way you are going about it seems too flagrant to be town, you do have the benefit of being 'cleared' in any but the most bastardly modded games. I do not, despite having a cop investigation on me. Doest hat make you happy? Continuing on..

Too flagrant to be town? That's preposterous. If anything, it's too flagrant to be scum. For all we know what? Theo is lying is the most obvious solution.

But you said earlier that Theo *Can't* *kill*, which is why I was confused about what you think is actually going on. HA! You said "misrepresents". So I am not a blind joat. With that being out in the open, what would be the point of me sayign that I was? What are you really getting at? You are saying stuff and then trying to shut down conversation when I ask for clarification.

The point of you saying that you are a Blind JoaT? How about you had to claim as part of a mass claim? Why claim to be a Blind JoaT? It is a nonconfirmable claim and it also helps Theo's claim.

Odd. I'm a bigger kitty than you are, Zindaras. SO you don't think I received the doctor's gift at all? Even though I claimed to have received a gift the day before - even saying that I thought that the gift probably made DGB more likely to be town? Even being fossed by you for trying to figure out if your gift was more helpful to one side or another? All of that... was that all just scummy breadcrumbing? Or... is it possible.. that you are wrong? *gives Carbon Copy a chair to sit down on* Think about it.

I do not see where you said the gift made DGB more likely town. In fact, you kept asking me that question, even though you yourself already knew she was giving out town-gifts. That is contradictory to what you're saying.

Of course it is possible I am wrong, but that changes nothing.

Interseting, you actually didn't say that wasn't the case, you just was sarcastic about my suggestion of it. There are siblings roles where one sibling is a good guy, one is a bad guy. It is entirely possible that these two sibling roles could have survived if they made it to the end two, regardless of their alignments (blood thicker than water and all that). Nobody else has any interest in commenting or thinking about it, so I will drop it, but the suggestion is a valid one, wether it is true or not. And I don't think I suggested that you were a town-miller mafia. That's actually kind of the opposite of what I would expect.

Siblings are

two different players

. This is like a role with two win conditions. A role which just automatically wins, regardless of what happens. This is completely different from being siblings. You're doing the exact same as Pooky did yesterday, comparing me to Masons.

What point did I ignore? When did I say you were useless? I believe that part of my post was acknowledging that you were going to harp on me for the rest of the game. It's unfortunate, because if I do die, and turn up town, nobody will be able to hold you accountable for it, nor will they want to, bu that's the way the game is set up, and that's fine. Meanwhile, there are a lot of loose ends, pieces of yarn if you will, and following them will helpfully lead to scum, rather than just proudly climbing on top of my head and claiming it for Kittenland.

You are going all "I'm doing a good job figuring out the game and you shouldn't be harping on me but helping out."

So you do count Mistef's investigation as valid? However, GLork investigation on me is valid. Okay.

It is valid, but not convincing.

Primate, Goofy, and Theo have pretty much abandoned the game at this point. It's nice that you pulled up one of PRimate's two posts today to use to refute my point but Nai and IH have posted a LOT more than the rest of them combined, and you're just ignoring them because they aren't cleared, even though you are using one of their investigations as paert of the reasoning why Glork is cleared. (right )

No, they just haven't said anything about it. You're accusing me of ignoring them, but you ignore them just as well. Where are they saying you shouldn't protect me?

But Glork is already confirmed - and IH pointed out (as mistef) his investigation on Glork yesterday, during the Pooky debate, and voted along side Glork against Pooky based entirely on his vote. Didn't he? Yes he did. I would say the continued existance of two cops is FAR mroe important than the continued existance of either doctor. And if you do die tonight, then at least we still have two results in the morning, and the game MIGHT be over, which means glork won't even have to worry about anything tomorrow night, anyways.

If I die tonight, Glork dies tomorrow night. If you promise protecting me tonight, Glork will get another investigation.

Then I revoke your tiger membership and force enroll you into the Mafia Yellow-Bellied Chicken Club. BU-GOCK!

I

am

the Tiger Leader, Mr. Skruffs.

It would have a lot to do with this game. It would tell me that you are honestly pro-town and just completely sure that I am scum, rather than some possible mafia just trying to get someone killed. You are balking though, which points a lot mroe to the latter than the former.

*rolls eyes*

I might as well lie, then.

[Carbon Copy]

I still think DGB is scum, but I'm also looking closely at Carbon Copy and Skruffs. Neither think it prudent to lynch investigated scum. They'd prefer to go after other targets.

The only reason I'm voting Theo is because Skruffs wants to test if people have double votes.

Have you not been reading the thread?

[Carbon Copy]

Unvote

I would expect Goofy to drop her vehemence against Glork if Pooky came up scum. After all, that made Glork look a whole lot better. And I personally don't see her being

that

obvious.

She's a reasonable candidate, though. Third on my list after Theo and Skruffs.

[Carbon Copy]

And Glork - you can just go bite a rock. If you are about to be daykilled, then I am going to protect IH tonight. Otherwise you are settnig Carbon copy up for a misprotection. I see no reason to protect a claimed doctor that thinks I am scum, over a claimed role-cop who, if nothing else, may repay me by investigatnig me and seeing that I am, in fact, Data's Cat. Unless, of course, you think I'm a Godfather not only to regular investigations but to role investigations, too. Oh wait, *I* am tryign to direct power roles!!! EVIL ME!!! You just doing it, that's okay, because... well, you're Glork, I guess. Whatever.

And you being Data's Cat clears you? Remember, Data's Cat was a

fictional

cat. Not an actual famous cat. The actual famous cat is the cat who

played

Data's Cat.

Data's Cat makes perfect sense as a godfather. It's an actual cat, rather than a comic cat, but it's still a fictional cat.

I'm going to protect IH and 'thingie' DGB tonight. Carbon Copy can do whatever he wants. He has been saying I'm scum all game, but balked when I called his bluff, so I am unimpressed with his character. I'll do what I think is best for town, and I reserve the right to rub it in your faces when I die and come up town.

Called my bluff? You made a completely

irrelevant

request which, quite frankly, I wouldn't accept if it was Theo asking me to do it. This crap has nothing to do with this game. Calling my bluff is making me vote you.

If I asked you to post pictures of yourself streaking at a baseball game if you were wrong about me, would you do it?

No?

I CALL YOUR BLUFF BEETCH!!11!!shiftoneone

[Carbon Copy]

I want everyone to say who they want Skruffs to protect the coming night.

[Carbon Copy]

carbon copy
THREE DIMENSIONAL vs TWO DIMENSIONAL
WE'VE DISCUSSED THIS

And this makes you right? The win conditions, as shown in the first post, also didn't include Bill Clinton's dog, so I don't see them as full-proof.

I didn't ask you to do something outright, I said, "Are you so sure you are scum that you will do something for me if I am not " You said "MAybe" I said what it is - a harmless prank, and one I have previously done for you, myself, in another game, and you said "Ummm, no".....

You haven't done this for me in a previous game. It wasn't part of some silly bet. It was simply the fact that you felt guilty about killing me as much as you did. You also got an avatar counting how often you had killed me.

That is not on par with this situation.

[Carbon Copy]

I can protect myself? Awesome, I didn't know that. >.>

Well, that means we only need Goofy and IH to add their input, and right now, it's 3-0 (Glork, Primate, Nai), unless I'm terribly mistaken about Nai's meaning in that post. So I think I win, Mr. Skruffs.

[Carbon Copy]

The fact that over half the town agreed with me, Mr. Skruffs. That should tell you something about what you should do with your claimed role the coming night.

You didn't claim a real cat. You claimed a character. Is Garfield 2D in the comics? No, he isn't. He's 2D because you look at him on a screen or in a newspaper. Same with Data's cat, except he makes perfect sense as a godfather because he was a "real" cat, while Garfield is drawn.

You also changed the sig line around a lot. But, hey, if it means so much to you, I'll play along. But it'll be on my terms. I'll decide on something suitable.

How does "I want Skruffs inside me" sound? "I like big Skruffs and I cannot lie"?

Oh, and I'm not going to put it on any alts. I'm not going to put all my alts out in public to see.

[Carbon Copy]

EBWOP: I'm also typing out my earlier analysis, I think you guys might want to wait for that one before delivering the hammah.

I know I'd like to. >.>

[Carbon Copy]

Oh for goodness sake... SLippers the cat was a real cat, but I only saw him on the TV screen, obviously he's 2D too... I can't believe you actually WENT there, CC.

"But a group of two-dimentional felines are trying to get all of the real
cats out of the town in order to make animated/cartoon cats Minto's
favorite pet. "

Star Wars Next Generation is live action. My cat is NOT ANIMATED.

Data's Cat is not a real cat. The cat who played Data's Cat is a real cat.

[Carbon Copy]

Also, you ceded that you think I might be town by changing the parameters of the bet to reflect a less invasive, less embarassing consequence. If I'm 100% scum, as you say, it doesn't matter what the conditions are because, of course, you won't lose.

So, following your logic, I should have no problem with agreeing to a bet where I kill myself (in real life) if I'm wrong about you.

This is clearly faulty logic.

The pay-off for being right is 0. The pay-off for being wrong is negative. Even with a minute chance of it occuring, the best choice is to not play. Why accept a bet when you can only get a negative or a neutral outcome?

Where did I say I was 100% sure you were scum? No, really, where? If you look through it, you'll see that I don't. I think you're the most likely third Mafiate. More likely than Goofy.

That's all I've been saying.

[Carbon Copy]

If I die, quicklynch Skruffs.

Really. Do it. If he goes against the general wishes of the town (which is for him to protect me), then he deserves it.

[Carbon Copy]

Woops.

This is a somewhat disappointing end. But, meh,

Vote: DrippingGoofball

.

[Carbon Copy]

If this does not end the game, I'm going 33/33/33 between Glork, IH and Skruffs. I think it would be best if Skruffs takes the same strategy.

[Carbon Copy]

It was a very surprising and unfulfilling end. I seriously thought that Skruffs was scum.

Skruffs, you can mess with my avatar for a month. You can make it whatever you want it to be. (and, yes, me is Zindaras)

USERNAME, you are Rainbow, The First Cloned Cat.

and Carbon Copy, Clone Of The First Cloned Cat.

You may post, as Rainbow, under your usual username.

You may also post as "Carbon Copy". [Log out, refresh the page, log in
with username Carbon Copy.

I'm not giving you the password.

Carbon Copy will be treated as a normal player. The rest of the game
does not know it's you. CC can vote, can disagree with you (if you want
to hide the fact that he's you), can be targeted, lynched, etc. If
Rainbow is lynched, CC lives on, and if CC is lynched, Rainbow lives on.

Both accounts can be prodded if they are inactive. In other words, both
have to post. Either can claim, if you want.

I am aware that this role logically does not make a lot of sense.. but
hey. It's all fun, right? :p

Anyways, now for game flavor.

In the town of Minto, everyone loves cats. Real, furry, breathing cats.
But a group of two-dimentional felines are trying to get all of the real
cats out of the town in order to make animated/cartoon cats Minto's
favorite pet.

You win when all animated/cartoon cats are gone.

Feel free to PM me if you have any questions,
Bert

[Carbon Copy]

Oh, by the way, bertrand, do you mind if I keep this account? I've grown rather fond of it.