Mini 419: Farkle Mafia (Game Over)

[ThAdmiral]

Confirm

[ThAdmiral]

I'm with Nocmen - random votes are overrated.
Why's everyone love 'em so much anyway.

[ThAdmiral]

Original Roll String: 6d6

6 6-Sided Dice: (3, 2, 1, 1, 4, 1) = 12

[ThAdmiral]

take out the 5 = 50 points

Original Roll String: 5d6

5 6-Sided Dice: (2, 3, 5, 5, 6) = 21

[ThAdmiral]

take out the 5 = 100 points

Original Roll String: 4d6

4 6-Sided Dice: (3, 2, 4, 1) = 10

[ThAdmiral]

Well that's just plain unlucky.
0 points. Next.

(sorry for holding everybody up by the way)

[ThAdmiral]

Anyone up for a Coron lynch?

Me neither, unless you have some reasons behind this.

I really don't think we can read too much into the helpful advice given by thesp, it seemed to me to just be a friendly gesture, although not a very strategic one (for the points brought up afterwards by coron).

[ThAdmiral]

@I don't know about anybody else but I thought that meta gaming was generally a frowned-upon tactic. We should take each game on their own merits.

I also think the wagon on nocmen has formed remarkably fast. (Wouldn't his suggestion that he has inside information mean we shouldn't lynch him?)

[ThAdmiral]

Sorry that was supposed to be @dagger.

[ThAdmiral]

I agree with coron. As for a better case than nocmen, maybe not, but without a deadline there's no reason to just accept a half-baked and weak one.

[ThAdmiral]

Stats can prove anything. This goes to coron as well. Mafia is not a game of numbers it is a game of words.

[ThAdmiral]

Shit, I'm sorry peeps, I keep forgetting I'm right after coron. Okay here goes:

Original Roll String: 6d6

6 6-Sided Dice: (4, 2, 4, 6, 3, 3) = 22

[ThAdmiral]

Pull out the twos, for 200. Roll again.

Original Roll String: 3d6

3 6-Sided Dice: (5, 2, 6) = 13

[ThAdmiral]

take out the 5, for 50. Total is 250. I'll stop there.

[ThAdmiral]

I put this up before the crash but it must have got lost:

The Admiral's play looks fishy to me right now. He always says he doesn't want to lynch, or bandwagon, unless there are reasons.

Anyone up for a Coron lynch?

Me neither, unless you have some reasons behind this.

As for a better case than nocmen, maybe not, but without a deadline there's no reason to just accept a half-baked and weak one.

All of this would be fine if

he

was trying to get something going by posting some content or suspicions. He's looking for reasons, but doesn't bother to come up with any.

Vote: The Admiral

I guess our play style is different: you vote for anything that you can find an angle on, whereas I like to be more cautious in my votes. So far you've...
- voted thesp in the random voting stage
- voted dagger over a joke
- voted for nocmen becuase of a mod error and "mainly because I want to start a bandwagon"
- and now voted me because I haven't voted for anyone yet.
- other than that you've just tried to skip peoples turns and look "helpful" by asking for prods and such.

I suppose you are just putting pressure on these players, and thats fine, but I don't think I've done anything I need to defend.

[ThAdmiral]

checking in. again.

[ThAdmiral]

@mojo

As I said I wasn't accusing you of being scummy. You're pressuring people and that is generally a good thing. We just have different play styles. Yes, I haven't come up with many accusations but it is still day one and I truly believe there isn't much to go on for anybody. If I see something I will say it, trust me.

The "helpful" quote, by the way, refers to how scum sometimes try to seem really pro-town by constantly asking for prods etc. while not actually doing anything for the town. I don't really think you're guilty of this, I was just having a dig.

[ThAdmiral]

@thesp: my three picks.

1. Cogito ergo scum

Is he really playing this game, or just joking around. All he has done is suggest a coron vote and then try and jump on wagons. If he's not scum then he's not a helpful town regardless and is probably the best first day lynch.

2. Coron

Not much going here, but theres the stats thing, which I didn't like, and then the vote for nocmen which he didn't give a reason for.

3. Dagger

This ones more of a gut feeling, but it also has something to do with how he went from arguing with coron to defending him, sort of.

[ThAdmiral]

Even though it has been mooted now I would have supported farklefix. At least it shows seol is thinking outside the box.

[ThAdmiral]

I am not a mafia member however.

Oh alright then. Hey everybody don't vote coron because he's not mafia. he said so.

[ThAdmiral]

Why not vote for who you think is most scum? Do you really need a vote count?

[ThAdmiral]

Original Roll String: 6d6

6 6-Sided Dice: (6, 4, 2, 6, 4, 6) = 28

[ThAdmiral]

take out the two 1's = 200

Original Roll String: 4d6

4 6-Sided Dice: (4, 3, 3, 3) = 13

[ThAdmiral]

sweet, take out the three 1's = 1000, total 1,200. (grand total = 1,450)

God, it's probably too close to the end of day for another turn isn't it. I'm gonna go again...

Original Roll String: 1d6

1 6-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

[ThAdmiral]

yeaaaas!

take out the 1 = 100, sub-total = 1300, grand total = 1550.

roll again:

Original Roll String: 6d6

6 6-Sided Dice: (4, 6, 4, 6, 4, 6) = 30

[ThAdmiral]

take out the three 6's = 600, sub total = 1900, grand total = 2150

Original Roll String: 3d6

3 6-Sided Dice: (6, 1, 5) = 12

[ThAdmiral]

take out the 1 = 100, sub total = 2000, grand total = 2250.

no point stopping now.

Original Roll String: 2d6

2 6-Sided Dice: (1, 1) = 2

[ThAdmiral]

oh. my. god.

take out the 5 and the 1 = 150, sub total 2150, grand total = 2400

Original Roll String: 6d6

6 6-Sided Dice: (4, 6, 3, 1, 5, 1) = 20

[ThAdmiral]

take out the 1 = 100, sub total = 2250, grand total = 2500

Original Roll String: 5d6

5 6-Sided Dice: (2, 4, 1, 3, 3) = 13

[ThAdmiral]

take out the 1 = 100, sub total = 2350, grand total = 2600

Original Roll String: 4d6

4 6-Sided Dice: (1, 3, 5, 3) = 12

[ThAdmiral]

take out the 1's and the 5 = 250, sub total = 2600, grand total = 2850

this next one HAS to farkle me. it's suicide.

Original Roll String: 1d6

1 6-Sided Dice: (3) = 3

[ThAdmiral]

And finally it does. I had a good run, you'll find no complaints here.

I'm going to

vote:

cogito ergo scum

. I can see where people are coming from with the nocmen votes, but I just think ces has been completely one minded for little or no reason, and hasn't been helpful for the town otherwise.

[ThAdmiral]

If you are a vig explain why you decided to kill night one. This is generally frowned upon.

[ThAdmiral]

For the most part it seems we are for keeping nocmen alive. So now we have to decide who he is to kill tonight, or if indeed that is necessary.

[ThAdmiral]

So now we have to decide who he is to kill tonight, or if indeed that is necessary.

Why?

FOS: ThAdmiral

.

Two reasons:

1. the town can have two lynches

2. if he is a serial killer then he would be working for town anyway.

I would be happy if he didn't hit anyone tonight. We don't have any strong leads on anyone and should really only be looking to go for a kill if there's a cop investigation or something really suspicious in the next few days.

[ThAdmiral]

I explained my standing. Your turn.

[ThAdmiral]

Where the hell is everybody!!!!!

[ThAdmiral]

I'm shattered that I got another go. I really could have won this thing if I got out at the right time last round. Anyway...

Original Roll String: 6d6

6 6-Sided Dice: (3, 2, 2, 1, 4, 3) = 15

[ThAdmiral]

take out the three 5's for 500.
total score = 750.

I'll just stop there this time.

[ThAdmiral]

The fact is if he's working for us, the town, it won't matter if he's a serial killer or not. If, after we've killed all the scum, the game does not end, we know he's an sk and we kill him then.

I don't see how the mafia knowing who he's going to kill helps them anymore than it helps us. Especially if it happens to be one of them who's in his sights!

You'd rather have him shooting wildly, maybe killing our doctor or cop?

[ThAdmiral]

But the most fundamental argument here as far as I'm concerned is - How can we sanction using the vig as a second lynch when we can't even agree on the first lynch?

I agree completely. As I said before I don't think he should make a kill tonight.

[ThAdmiral]

That was a long night!

I'm disappointed not enough people voted yesterday. We basically gave the scum a free hit. Hopefully we can be on the ball more today. Right now I'm even more suspicious of CES (due to his relentless attacks on coron, town), and since I voted him yesterday...

vote: cogito ergo scum

[ThAdmiral]

Vote: ThAdmiral

Reasoning?

Where is everyone gone?

[ThAdmiral]

I'm uncomfortable with your approach towards the vig.

Fair enough, I'd like him to work for the town, you'd like him to go about his own business, both ideas with pros and cons. I think we'll just have to agree to disagree.
Anyway it may be moot now since he's disappeared.

[ThAdmiral]

We're slowly dripping back in. I want to play farkle dammit!

[ThAdmiral]

I think ces is at -1 now.
A claim would be a good idea.

[ThAdmiral]

I suppose I better give you the benefit of the doubt while we discuss this...

unvote: ces

but I've played in a few games where the mafia have a role-blocker. Just sayin'.
Although...why didn't you block nocmen if you were afraid he might kill you?

question to mod: does a roleblocker block any abilites gained by farkle?

[ThAdmiral]

Actually, almost any mafia's got a roleblocker.
I blocked Coron because I thought he was scum, and because I thought I could block his Farkle ability. I didn't block Nocmen because I wasn't really afraid of being killed.

I meant the roleblocker in those games was actually mafia, or scum.
I think you're metagame-based grudge against coron has had bad consequences on the game for the town, and while part of me wants you to be punished for it, the other part is telling me a role-blocker could come in handy.
I'm just wondering now how many roles there are in this game, and whether a mass claim would be a good thing (note: I am not suggesting it, I am just musing on the prospect of it). I have a feeling that if a lot of us have roles then the mafia will probably have roles as well to balance things, so you are not confirmed in my eyes just yet (that is even if you are telling the truth).

[ThAdmiral]

Ooh, telling people how to use their roles. Isn't that a bit hypocritical?

[ThAdmiral]

You know what, I had another think about it, and I don't buy it. I think he's a mafia roleblocker.

vote: ces

@ thesp: I thought you were against me telling nocmen what to do, such as not to kill anyone last night. (also note I wasn't the only one saying that).

[ThAdmiral]

I was against the town guiding someone who is likely either a SK or vigilante. In that particular instance, it makes it much more difficult to distinguish between the two if we force him to kill as we see fit.

This actually makes a lot of sense. I thought you didn't want the town to lead his actions so the mafia would be able to block him/kill him when they thought he was going to be used against them or something.

[ThAdmiral]

Read.

We don't have a really good case on anyone. Though CES is probably our beat lead, I'n not nearly ready for a lynch. We need to find more things to discuss..

CES's behavior seemed more like silly/strange than scummy. The fact that he's using a gimmick to make himself harder to read doesn't look good to me either. I just don't think it's a strong enough case for a lynch, yet.

I'd like to hear more from a34maniac and Seol.

Who do you think is scum, even if it's only a gut feeling or whatever.

[ThAdmiral]

And maybe Dagger, but there's really not much reason behind that. I don't like how he started the Nocmen wagon on day 1 out of nothing.

Agreed.
I'll probably go after him tomorrow pending any interesting complications.

[ThAdmiral]

@ Dagger: how about "discussing" why you're against lynching ces today, and why you're now voting kilmenator?

[ThAdmiral]

@Dagger: well for one thing there was the lack of a vote when the deadline came. a) That's not very helpful for the town and b) unlike others who had simply disappeared you were active very close to the end.

Farkle:

Original Roll String: 6d6

6 6-Sided Dice: (1, 6, 1, 5, 3, 6) = 22

[ThAdmiral]

take out the 5 = 50

Original Roll String: 5d6

5 6-Sided Dice: (6, 2, 1, 2, 4) = 15

[ThAdmiral]

take out the two fives = 100
total = 150

Original Roll String: 3d6

3 6-Sided Dice: (6, 5, 6) = 17

[ThAdmiral]

farkle = 0

[ThAdmiral]

a)I don't vote when I am uncertain (barring early game random vote), unlike scums who I think will vote so that a mislynch will occur.
b)And this is a point against me exactly how? I never abandon a game if I can help it and I always try to be constantly active at the very least.

Now comes the counter question. Why must you exactly leave this type of questioning till tomorrow?

To your b): I was just saying that even though you were still active you didn't vote, as opposed to not voting because you didn't get online. I was just pointing out that you had made a conscious choice not to vote, leading to a no lynch.
That in itself is not so bad if you were opposed to a ces lynch. But since you voted him in

your first post

today it means you weren't, and essentially just wasted a day for the town.
I know you are

now

against a ces lynch, but even there you still haven't provided any reason for this sudden change of heart. (perhaps you thought the easy bandwagon had lost steam so you thought you'd change target?)

To your counter question: I wasn't going to pursue this line of questioning today because to be honest I'm not convinced you're scum. You simply are the best choice (apart from ces) out of a bunch that is hard to get a read on because of the amount of lurkers. I was hoping something would come up overnight that would lead to a stronger case against you or someone else.

[ThAdmiral]

If it doesn't offend thesp too much I would like to suggest lynching ces and vigging kilmenator. That should make everyone happy (with the exception of those two).
Or to go one step further lynching ces and if he turns up mafia

not vigging

kilmenator as I doubt they are both scum.

[ThAdmiral]

I don't like this post one bit..

Why, because it's logical?
We seem to be at a standstill and these are our two main targets. I don't want to go through another day without a lynch.

[ThAdmiral]

Some people want kilmenator dead, some people want ces dead.
The vig allows us to kill whoever we don't lynch, hence people will be more likely to go along with a lynch, hence a lynch will be more likely to happen today.

[ThAdmiral]

Alright.

Lynch ces and then vig me if he's not scum.

[ThAdmiral]

Perhaps I am being a bit hasty.
I really do think he's scum though.

[ThAdmiral]

I have realized it would be useful to the town if I were to put up who I think may be scum with ces (this is, of course, assuming he's scum...which I do).
Since I haven't really thought about this yet I will have to re-read the thread and analyse it etc.

I think I can rule out myself and probably kilmenator now though, for obvious reasons.
I'll get back to you on the rest.

[ThAdmiral]

Can you outline these obvious reasons (re: kilmenator) for those of whom it's not evident?

Sure.

Kilmenator and I have gone after ces pretty hard from the start. So has nocmen, but there are questions of whether he is a vig or an sk. However this would still mean he is

not

scum partners with ces, so I will cross him off the list too.

cleared
ThAdmiral
Kilmenator
Nocmen

under review
Dagger
Seol (bird1111)
Thesp
Mokina (a3maniac, mojo)
Bertrand (adele)

the scum
CES

[ThAdmiral]

Having read day one again I feel that if we lynch ces and he turns up scum we will find more scum from the following:

Seol (bird1111) - didn't vote ces (reasoning that this person was not cogito ergo sum) and jumped on the growing nocmen wagon instead.
Mokina (a3maniac, mojo) - looking back I find it suspicious that mojo put pressure on nearly everyone except ces, especially when there was, in my opinion, at least

some

good reason to.
Thesp - basically avoided talking to or about ces all day 1. Also didn't vote him.

[ThAdmiral]

@ Mokina: but dagger told me to discuss stuff today....
Who am I supposed to listen to!!!

Eh, I just felt I wanted to see if there were anyone with any obvious connections to ces.
There weren't. But there were a few with tenuous ones, and if (when) ces turns out to be scum we will have the jump on them.

[ThAdmiral]

@ death-omen: It is definitely your turn.

@ somestrangeflea: you might want to do something of a reread there. If you had you would realise that death-omen

is

seol.
Plus don't worry about replacing ces, lets just lynch him.

[ThAdmiral]

ThAdmiral's posts stand out too. He's really eager to lynch me. In fact, he acts like he's got a guilty on me, while I know this isn't possible.

Admiral:

You don't have to answer this question, but from my position I know it would be good if you'd answer it. If you've got a guilty on me, would you mind revealing this? I think everyone noticed that you appear to be 100% sure I'm scum, so there's not really much to lose. Rereading from day 1, it seems you didn't get a guilty on anyone that day, so if you're a cop and you've got a guilty on me, you're probably insane, and your night 0 target's scum.

No I'm not the cop.
For some reason this post makes me believe you may not be scum.
I'm not unvoting you yet though.

[ThAdmiral]

@ The admiral, what is it in that post, that inclines you to believe he is innocent? Because he is trying to out the cop, if in fact you were the cop?

It just doesn't sound like something a scum would say to someone who he thought was the cop.

[ThAdmiral]

Unvote

I'm beginning to think that ces is not scum.
However this does not mean that I automatically think Kilmenator or Mokina are scum.

I have to think about this.

[ThAdmiral]

Now I am not sure if CES is scum, but I'm not sure he

isn't

scum either.
On the one hand he claimed roleblocker (which in past games I have played is often a scum role), but on the other hand why would he claim this if it was so obviously scum.
On the one hand his blocking of coron was non-pro-town (or anti-town), but on the other hand he seemed genuinely convinced for some reason that coron was scum.
I also wonder why, if he was scum, the mafia would block and kill someone, but then they may have been worried about his special power bestowed by winning farkle.
I'm still leaning towards ces being scum, but since his last few comments I'm just not as sure.

[ThAdmiral]

@ Jordan: If ces had claimed miller I would have voted him (or kept my vote on him, whatever). I certainly wouldn't have hesitated because I thought I was lynching an unfortunate powerful role.

@ Thesp: I still think it's possible that the scum killed and roleblocked coron for two reasons:
1. They wanted to block any night abilities he had gained.
2. They wanted to ensure that he would not be able to reveal to the town

what he had gained

if he was protected by the doc/bg.

[ThAdmiral]

I just re-thought it again, and I realise that CES' role-blocking claim, and his relentless pursuit and block of coron is enough to make him the most suspicious of everybody currently in the game.

revote: ces

[ThAdmiral]

I'd rather that not happen.
If you keep calling deadlines people will start posting or someone will be lynched. Plus just start skipping peoples turns if they don't play farkle.

[ThAdmiral]

That's what I thought too...

[ThAdmiral]

No lynch day one, town lynch day two. Things aren't looking very good.
I was sure ces would be scum.

I'm going to look back and attempt some serious analysis.

[ThAdmiral]

Should I even bother farkling?

[ThAdmiral]

Well I'm going to

vote: death_omen

.

I don't think there's anything left to say.

[ThAdmiral]

Are you a permanent cop or just a one off thing?

[ThAdmiral]

Well I'm happy to claim. Are we going to do it all at once or one at a time in a particular order or what?

[ThAdmiral]

EBWODP: I am interested in Admiral next.

I am the doctor.
I protected:
Night 0 - Coron
Night 1 - Nocmen
Night 2 - Thesp
Night 3 - Kilmenator (so I am very confused as to why he was still killed, especially with a roleblocker dead)

Your turn...Jordan

[ThAdmiral]

No prod needed. I'm here, I'm just waiting.

[ThAdmiral]

Did you ever claim thesp?

[ThAdmiral]

Unless I was told there were no doctors in this game why would I claim doctor as a mafiate?

[ThAdmiral]

vote: dagger

This could be it.