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In post 67, ika wrote:so im going to do this again jsut to piss off dino (but semi seriosu about it)
mass rolecall anyone?
didn't they just say hellowhew!-
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shos <3 you back!
what do you make of naz creatures calling bulba pretentious? I don't feel like bulba has been pretentious in this game and I am usually kind of sensitive to bulba's pretension. I feel like it is like the kind of play that people make against personality players. I don't like it.whew!-
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In post 165, DrippingGoofball wrote:All of his posts from the beginning? A complete lack of scumtells? Being forward and pro-active?
IAWTP
I just came in here to say that I am liking bulba. but i disagree with that tier read.whew!-
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In post 173, ProHawk wrote:In post 146, BBmolla wrote:What the hell is a 1-shot miller
Its kinda like a 3 shot friendly neighbor
I am sincerely hoping you will produce more than this.whew!-
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In post 189, Jackel98 wrote:Well, I see I survived. Really should be making more content myself, but I am liking most of the posting currently. I still think Shos should post content if they are going to post at all, and Prohawk just feels... off? Like saying that mollie hasn't produced much content. Might just be ignorance, but worth looking into.
Also, BBmolla, the DGB thing was a joke, right?
what does any1 think of the chances that jackal just pointed to his scum team in this post?
VOTE: jackal
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so who do you think the scumteam is?whew!-
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In post 228, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 225, Voidedmafia wrote:DGB, I don't understand that vote at all.
mollie is too nice to lie, she drew scum, she's just coasting under the radar. She feels so guilty. It's sad. This is more euthanasia than a lynch.
that's me! *too nice*
I do try to lie when I am scum I am just pretty terrible at it.
I am not scum in this game.whew!-
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In post 231, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 230, pirate mollie wrote:I am not scum in this game.
Your post is blushing.
I probably am but it is not from shame.
I am not sure any1 has ever accused me of being too nice before. I think metal did once and it ended up being a weird circular argument in which he thought I was scum for something stupid and I said mean things and it wound up being a circular argument for him in which no matter what I did I could not help him break free from it.
I am defo town.whew!-
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In post 235, Voidedmafia wrote:In post 234, pirate mollie wrote:DON"T MAKE ME LAUGH
what about jokes? Puns?
voided lets dance.
in the 2 games we played together you had a pretty ridiculous *AHEM* shall we call it affection for lynching me. in the first game you were correct but in the second game you were wrong until up to the very point I was recruited along with thorella by jacob savage and thorella talked you out of it but then you were recruited and cult won.
yes. I am wondering where this new congeniality is coming from.whew!-
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In post 239, ProHawk wrote:I just need to start here real quick... what is ffs?
for fuck's sake
it is an acronym.whew!-
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In post 257, shos wrote:Townread me. It is that easy. Look, I am not ENTIRELY useless, and am actually quite useful, even when I am practically VLA(uni shit is choking me) so just hold your horses until I am up to speed. Meanwhile, love me
shos plz tell me you really are busy and you are not just saying that in order to avoid this game.
<<< If it's any consolidation, *I* am legitimately busy, and certainly not avoiding my own game! >>>Last edited by mastin2 on Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:02 pm, edited 1 time in total.whew!-
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In post 273, DrippingGoofball wrote:Not sure if VoidedMafia is town.
THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME
VOTE: voided mafia
<<< As you were already voting for Voidedmafia, this vote will not be counted in the voting history, be it caused by forgetfulness or emphasis. >>>Last edited by mastin2 on Tue Nov 11, 2014 11:20 pm, edited 1 time in total.whew!-
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In post 294, ProHawk wrote:I'm getting strange vibes from shos, like not town-vibes. Also, up until his vote, the general vote pool has been spread thin. No-real-wagons. Could be trying to start something.
wouldn't it be easier for scum to join a wagon at this point?whew!-
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In post 298, ProHawk wrote:In other news, Ika said he can "solve" you. How does that make you feel?
that isn't exactly what he said.whew!-
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In post 367, DrippingGoofball wrote:A lot of his posts are about himself, which nag me as a kind of avoidance.
^ I agree with this. I am telling you he had srs playstyle issues with me and I don't see that changing after a break.
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In post 383, Sonic Boom wrote:me and titus havent talked yet. i setup our qt already
i need to reread this thread. bulbazak and voided walls are tough to read in a glance.
we need to discuss
wat
bulba hasn't walled at all and voided put his in a spoiler tag.whew!-
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In post 476, Bulbazak wrote:In post 473, Metal Sonic wrote:Cop claims allow me to ignore everything
Good thing all the scum are on my wagon so I can't be insta hammered
My proposed team is
Guille/mollie/DGB
I highly doubt all of the scum is on your wagon. Mollie and DGB aren't scum. Guille might be, but I find that too easy. I'm currently thinking Ika/Eddie/Dino. Possibly Voided if not Dino.
why couldn't dino and voided both be scum?
cos gut wise that is what I felt at first.
I feel like dgb and I are giving each other space and I am not sure what this means.whew!-
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I feel like metal is lying.
and I am not sure what to do with dgb's single focus on eddie w/o a "DIE SCUM DIE!!!" post and her readily believing that metal is telling the truth in the first place when metal is known for gambiting.
but what I find really strange is that istott picked up on metal being a "cop" and then metal claims cop and then says he didn't crumb.
like am I the only 1 who finds that whole exchange weird?whew!-
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okay. so there isn't a cc to sonic boom so whatever.
UNVOTE: sonic boom
its just that I a ton of times and he either fakeclaims or gambits IN EVERY GAME.
@ bulba - dgb had a huge slapfight in pikman and ever since then we have been giving each other space for a good bit. I think I am starting to see glimmers of town!dgb tho. also dgb can be wrong sometimes but I would never say that whatwhew!-
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why the fuck did that submit.
as I was saying I would never call what she does derp. there is often a method to her madness. so why the discredit?
anyhoo back to this:
VOTE: voided
I am unsure on prohawk I feel like he is being a lot more muted this game. so i am not seeing how bulba thinks this is his town game. hawk boy said he would do stuff in time so we will see.whew!-
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In post 576, Bulbazak wrote:In post 575, pirate mollie wrote:
as I was saying I would never call what she does derp. there is often a method to her madness. so why the discredit?
In all of my experience with DGB, she's always been a huge liability to the town, normally resulting in a large amount of mislynches led by her and/or a town loss. Three examples where she was town: 1.) In Voided's nightless Mountainous game, she led, as town, every single mislynch. 2.) As Serene in NY 165, she claimed masons with a bulletproof town and then later turned on him. Town couldn't trust the hydra for the rest of the game, which distracted them from the scum, allowing for a scum win. 3.) In Ikaruga Mafia, she ended up tunneling strongly on town and ended up handing the scum team the game.
So, no Mollie, this is not a discredit. This is a reality. DGB is known for derp tunneling, and if I didn't have such a strong townread on her, I would not be opposed to policy lynching her for the lols. Heck, I still wouldn't object to her lynch.
we tunneled on each other in pikman, in our hydra she pegged 3 scum and in the serene hydra in touhou pegged scum gaiden and sk danny d1 so frommyexperience I see her differently so yeah I think it is a discredit. also in an allstar offsite game she pegged scum!thorella and scum!fate on d1 while every1 else was derping around.
also the more I think about it the more I am really not liking your prohawk townread.whew!-
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In post 578, Voidedmafia wrote:As the mod/co-mod for two of those games, I can back up those assertions. Her tunneling isn't terrible at this point, but it's not something to brush off.
P-edit: Pegging 3 scum is not the same as lynching 3 scum. it is also not enough to offset two counts of misleading the town to a loss/near-loss.
Bulb, perhaps ProHawk is a rather to-the-point kind of person, but that does not excuse the lack of presence from him.
those scum were lynched except for the 1 we vigged and mebbe the offsite game I dunno I didn't see how it ended cos the homesite players walls made my eyes literally bleed. we all have our derp moments no1 is infallible. both of you have seen how thorella and I will tunnel each other for 30 pages, we have gotten a bit better tho. I have been on the receiving end of dgb's tunneling fuck been on the receiving end ofyourderp tunneling voided. but I have seen more strong play from her than not and I pay attention to her reads. I am not gonna let you neg on some1 whom I consider to be a strong player. it doesn't seem like you have a large enough sample size from the looks of it. I have seen nacho do the exact same thing but every1 considers him a good player cos body of work he is.
@ bulba - I have a few games with prohawk both forum games and skype. he is far more assertive and aggressive than this. I am a heavy heavy meta player and to me if he is town (and I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt) and to me this is very atypical of his town game so i wondering what the hell you are basing your read on.whew!-
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hey i wanted to lynch them I don't give a shit about the cop claim I am telling you he lies in every single game and people let him get away with it.
@ ika
I largely ignore you in games because you say dumb fucktarded things like "I will policy lynch dgb". lynch her cos you think she is scum but don't discredit her in a game when she doesn't deserve it or pl her based on the reasoning of bulba's pompous attitude. it is either ignore when you are even around but when you are you make dumb statements like that or be mean to you which I don't want to do cos I like you.
@ dgb
bulba did the same discrediting to me right after mastina's new york game where I correctly pegged him as scum. just ignore him and plz play cos you are not being helpful and THAT looks kind of scummy cos you have thicker skin than that.
I am good with either voided or prohawk.
I am telling you people that voided is scum it looks like he took a page out of mastina's "make yourself likeable" scumbook his charm is even working a little bit on me. he is scum.whew!-
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In post 695, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 692, pirate mollie wrote:bulba did the same discrediting to me right after mastina's new york game where I correctly pegged him as scum.
Could he be scum here too?
he was town when he did it to me in chain. in the new york game where he was scum he did it to a small degree but mostly to suck up to thorella while thorella and I were in 1 of our wall wars so there was an agenda behind it. i am leaning mebbe town here. and don't get me wrong ilikebulba but I know how he can get sometimes.
it surprises me that you are not putting more stock in his townread on eddie since you know how deep IRL ties can go.whew!-
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In post 706, Bulbazak wrote:Thought about this for awhile and realized how big a load of crap it was. My next game with you after Manaical was Chain of Command, where I called you paranoid and said I preferred to deal with your other head. We ended up arguing for awhile before I attempted to reach out to you. It was after this that I started building a base line to read your town game, which has a lot more fire than your scum game. Guess what I'm not seeing in this game?
you were actively discrediting me in that game. period. end of story.
I was in that game. guess what I am not here.
Oh, and I looked back to see what was going on when you started the fight between DGB and me, and it seems that I had just started ramping up my push on Dino. It wasn't until after you accused me of discrediting DGB(which was false)that attention started to be drawn off of Dino and onto myself due to the offhanded comment, and it was at this point that Dino jumped in and started strawmanning my case in a further attempt to discredit me. You singlehandedly weakened my Dino-scum push by drawing attention to an offhand comment I made to Eddie which could be paraphrased as "Don't worry about it. DGB does this all the time.".
And one more thing: I was town in Chain of Command, and you do get paranoid. A lie of omission is still a lie.
^ erm...wat? you did discredit dgb that is why she is saying she is moping around being useless. own it.
and no1 was voting you so how exactly was attention being drawn off of math thing and onto you? and it is citing specific instances where you said that dgb's play was shit is explicitly discrediting her. math thing is discrediting your case not you as a player while you are discrediting dgb as a player. there is a difference.
the chain of command reference doesn't even make fucking sense. I SAID YOU WERE TOWN IN CHAIN OF COMMAND IN A LATER POST TO DGB.whew!-
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In post 707, Bulbazak wrote:EBWOP: Dang it post preview, you didn't show me that Mollie had already responded...
ugh. I respond as I go along. I think we are doing a bit of talking past each other.
tell me how this is prohawk's town game.
in other newz voided is still scum.whew!-
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In post 716, ProHawk wrote:In post 675, Mathdino wrote:You claim that you've been seeing me as scummy
Prove this. Now. Or you are guilty of a heinous lie and shall be lynched as such. Your head will dangle.
Next. You said I lied about Mollie not producing content. What I said was:
"But offhandedly I can't think of any content you have produced either... so there is that."
Question: How is that a lie class?
Answer: It's not because I LITERALLY couldn't think of any content Mollie had produced. You can't know if I was ACTUALLY lying or not because you can't see into my brain.
Your case is full of holes, my flip will drown you.
except I had provided content at the time? so you are attacking math thing's argument for saying that I had produced content while you had not? and you hadn't. it was a false correlation you tried to make in order to try to dismantle the argument that math thing presented.
how interesting you are staying away from bulba and any tirade he gets involved in.whew!-
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In post 760, Voidedmafia wrote:In post 755, guille2015 wrote:I see no real scum reads the entirety of the day. He posts lots and comments lots but has no commitment. I am concerned for this: Post 216 says Ika is not town. Then in post 360 he says that I am wrong in thinking that ika is scum.
not town=/= scum.
Also, re-read my reads again and you'll know I have scum reads: Sonic, you, maybe Fenix, and was-so-at-the-time-but-not-so-much-at-deadline ProHawk.
P-EDIT: You're expecting another wagon to spring up in less than...what, 8 hours? It's possible, but not likely.
Istott, get back on Guille. I honestly don't think we have the time to bring up another wagon that's not already up near being lynched.
jesus christ srsly how this thing still alive?whew!-
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In post 768, Bulbazak wrote:She gave up when I said that I've never been impressed by her scumhunting abilities. That's actually very atypical for DGB, and she's actually heard me express that opinion before and was never phased by it.
that isn't what happened. you said she was a terrible player cited games where apparently she led town losses. then you wanted to pl her.
and you didn't say i was paranoid again you said I was a terrible player so you would only talk to nacho.
be honest about what you did.
and your vote on ika is going nowhere so why the fuck are you trying to ensure that a no lynch happens rather than lynch voided? you have no case on guille and it was a shitty cw to the 1 building on voided.whew!-
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In post 783, ProHawk wrote:Let's run someone else up so they can claim watcher or tracker.
Mollie is likely scum, this is the second time she ignored my posts.
I think if voided flips scum you are scum with him and possibly bulba too. you both are stalling the fuck out of this lynch and started the cw on guille.
look at how guille handed his wagon.
look at how voided is handling his.
guille is town. he cares about leaving his thoughts for town to chew on.
voided has been passively active all game but hasn't done jackshit in the way of reads and looks like pissy scumflail.whew!-
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In post 785, Voidedmafia wrote:In post 782, pirate mollie wrote:every single time I have seen a lynch not go through it has been on scum. in 1 game it was multiball and both leading contenders were scum.
That's al well and good, but I've seen DL lynches stall on town as well. It's not infeasible.
Again, why aren't you talking to me? What part of "I want to figure out how we can work together" was completely misinterpreted?
it didn't look genuine cos you never followed up on it by asking me questions or ever offered up anything that was worth talking about.whew!-
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In post 789, Voidedmafia wrote:In post 787, pirate mollie wrote:it didn't look genuine cos you never followed up on it by asking me questions or ever offered up anything that was worth talking about.
I asked you questions. Remember that quote that DGB posted her responses within? I asked you what your reads where there.
I asked you to talk to me. Multiple times. Sure, I may not have given topics to discuss with you, but you could've answered and given me questions, too. Even an answer of "I got nothing to talk about" would be something, but as far as I can tell you never gave me that.
I gave reads (granted, maybe not in an orderly form, but I've given them). Both you and guille are flat-out bullshitting on this point.
I just skimmed your iso and I am not sure what you are talking about. yes you asked to dialogue a few times. I will concede you asked some good questions. but it is down to the wire and what you shld be doing is leaving a clear trail. and you are not doing that.
what I saw was that eddie was scum, sonic was scum and so was prohawk but somehow a guille lynch was more viable even tho prohawk has been your top scumread all game. if you are town then talk to me now cos that move did not make since to me but I am unlikely to move my vote at this point and I am not lynching guille. and it has nothing to do with his claim. I was ready to still lynch sonic DESPITE his claim.
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In post 792, Bulbazak wrote:@Voided, ProHawk, & Sonic: Vote Ika now!
@Mollie, DGB, and anyone else: If you kinda think that I might/could/should be scum, then quit waffling on it and freaking vote me! Don't place a hypothetical read on me based on what Voided may or may not flip, which you may or may not back off of the next day anyway. If you think my flip will help you find scum, then stop posturing and vote me.
I think this game is close to being solved via PoE. I currently have it narrowed down to the group of {Mollie, DGB, Shos, Ika, Dino, Voided}. Dino is definitely scum, and I'm leaning town on Mollie and Voided. DGB has thrown me off with her atypical behavior. Shos and Ika are good places to look going forward. Everyone else should not be touched.
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In post 791, Voidedmafia wrote:In post 369, Voidedmafia wrote:4.) Ignoring the current spat of me-posts (from the big rant onwards), what is your read on me? Or, I suppose, how did my recent bunch of posts about myself change your read on me before I started doing that?5.) What are your thoughts on guille now that he's made some posts (this goes for Mollie, too)?6.) What are your reads on Ika, Sonic Boom, and Saurus and why? (also goes for Mollie! And probly bulb, too. Really goes for everyone other than those mentioned, but yknow.)
Here, quoted for you, Mollie.
Also, I'm still kinda waiting for you to stop giving me this "aw hell no" reaction every time I ask you something, pertinent or not. I feel like this entire day you've been trying to avoid me except fortwoinstances where you talked to me instead (one where you explained why you expected me to lynch you--which I still feel was rather silly--and again when you asked about that mini-rant and where it came from). It feels like there's been this wall that you put up that you've never let break down, and even if I may be underwhelming in my reach-outs, I'm still trying to do so (even if I'm getting increasingly annoyed at your refusals to acknowledge them).
Honestly, I think it may help me more to be asked than to ask, simply because it's easier for me to focus on one direction I'm given rather than try to pull some semblance of a direction out of a conversation.
P-EDIT: Hey, Mrs. Around. Knock some sense into Mollie with me/for me, plz.
I am sorry voided I missed those! next time bold my name.
well right now I am asking you to give reads that you may have at this time cos even in the midst of all of your questions asking other players and saying you would be happy with this or that lynched I see no hard stances and I am wondering what the town motivation would be to stall now.
eta: xpost
so why did you move away from prohawk if he is your top scumread?whew!-
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In post 798, ika wrote:im here for the berif moment about to head out, should be back in 10ish to be around for deadline if needed but am slightly busy
you were ready to pl dgb but now you don't even wanna see a lynch through
wat?
if we were not down to the wire I would lynch you for thiswhew!-
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In post 802, Voidedmafia wrote:In post 797, pirate mollie wrote:so why did you move away from prohawk if he is your top scumread?
Mainly bulb. I could tell by the time Hawk neared L-2 (or w/e his max wagon was) that Bulb was pretty much going to defend that read to the absolute death if he had to. Then he started giving bad responses to Dino and my scumread began to rise again, but by that time we were at/less than a day before deadline and I doubted I'd have any time or ability to rebuild that wagon. Maybe I was wrong and I could've done it, but I didn't think I could.
Actually, correction: Prohawk has never been my top read (although he should be above Fenix in that readslist). I started scumreading him after the SB fiasco, and SB has been my top scumread ever since that.
...I feel like I should be asking you a question in return, but Iunno what it should be.
um...Ever played 1-Finger Death Punch?
P-EDIT: Unless you really don't want to follow Bulb, you can just join him in voting Ika. I am.
Vote: Ika
you have voted prohawk pretty consistently so for som1 who is not your topscumread you certainly thought he was scum enough to keep voting him!
he also has a better chance of getting lynched than ika since he has 2 votes on him and prohawk is still in your scumlist so why not move to a more viable wagon on 1 of your scumreads?
DIE SCUM DIE!!!!!whew!-
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In post 810, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 809, Bulbazak wrote:ProHawk, Sonic, and Guille
In the next hour?
Also your "rolefishing" accusations are frivolous. We are one hour from deadline.
THANK YOU!!!
I don't think guille or metal are even around but how convenient prohawk is!whew!-
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In post 811, shos wrote:please someone make someone die. I will die if we NL.
do you see who is doing the stalling? plz tell me you see it.whew!-
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In post 822, Voidedmafia wrote:Great, make me feel uneasy just about claiming. Now I'm not even sure if claiming will do us any good since we don't really have enough to wagon anyone else except guille, I think. (DGB, me, Bulb, Mollie, Ika, maybe shos...okay, maybe we do for someone like ProHawk, though we'd have to take out Bulb for that one.
I'm a sane cop. While my scumread on Boom is partially influenced by my own role, it is mainly because I did not (and do not) believe that his play outside the claim is good enough that the claim saves him, and I wish you people wouldn't have left it like that. I do not feel like multi-cop automatically means one of us is scum due to the game in question, hence why I didn't immediately CC him.
As for why I'm claiming now? As I was saying, I still held the belief that I would survive till the next day. with ika's vote, I'm not as certain about that since I don't think shos is voting me right now. I also didn't want to claim because 2 wagons in a row have been dismantled pretty much entirely from claims, and even if I am a PR I didn't really want to see it happen again. If we HAVE to lynch me, even if I'm a PR, then let Shos hammer, but the thought of no-lynching is starting to sound mighty appealing, if only so we can sort these out somehow.
Vote: ProHawk
Might as well leave it where I want to keep it.
so on 1 hand you are saying that you know you are a sane cop and on the other saying there might multiple cops running around who don't know that they are sane or insane or paranoid etc? and you could just cc them but didn't? like how do you know you are a sane cop was it explicit in your role pm? cos in the multiple cop roles in games that I have seen they usually don't cos then it comes down to a follow the cop scenario.
I mean this game did make it through review.whew!-
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In post 826, DrippingGoofball wrote:"sane" cop is a bit weird, did you ask Boom about his sanity?
ffs, dgb he is lying. as a cop you don't claim like an hour before dl when there is already a cop claim in play.whew!-
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In post 827, pirate mollie wrote:In post 822, Voidedmafia wrote:Great, make me feel uneasy just about claiming. Now I'm not even sure if claiming will do us any good since we don't really have enough to wagon anyone else except guille, I think. (DGB, me, Bulb, Mollie, Ika, maybe shos...okay, maybe we do for someone like ProHawk, though we'd have to take out Bulb for that one.
I'm a sane cop. While my scumread on Boom is partially influenced by my own role, it is mainly because I did not (and do not) believe that his play outside the claim is good enough that the claim saves him, and I wish you people wouldn't have left it like that. I do not feel like multi-cop automatically means one of us is scum due to the game in question, hence why I didn't immediately CC him.
As for why I'm claiming now? As I was saying, I still held the belief that I would survive till the next day. with ika's vote, I'm not as certain about that since I don't think shos is voting me right now. I also didn't want to claim because 2 wagons in a row have been dismantled pretty much entirely from claims, and even if I am a PR I didn't really want to see it happen again. If we HAVE to lynch me, even if I'm a PR, then let Shos hammer, but the thought of no-lynching is starting to sound mighty appealing, if only so we can sort these out somehow.
Vote: ProHawk
Might as well leave it where I want to keep it.
so on 1 hand you are saying that you know you are a sane cop and on the other saying there might multiple cops running around who don't know that they are sane or insane or paranoid etc? and you could just cc them but didn't? like how do you know you are a sane cop was it explicit in your role pm? cos in the multiple cop roles in games that I have seenthey usually don't cos then it comes down to a follow the cop scenario.
I mean this game did make it through review.
*they usually don'tknowcos then it comes down to a follow thecorrectcop scenario.whew!