Mini 1622: (Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia [-Over-]

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/confirm

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hi guyz

whats going on

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I feel like voidedmafia and dino things are being incredibly congenial.

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so im going to do this again jsut to piss off dino (but semi seriosu about it)

mass rolecall anyone?

didn't they just say hello

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I am not sure what to make of voidedmafia not trying to lynch me.

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shos <3 you back!

what do you make of naz creatures calling bulba pretentious? I don't feel like bulba has been pretentious in this game and I am usually kind of sensitive to bulba's pretension. I feel like it is like the kind of play that people make against personality players. I don't like it.

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am I not voting voting voided mafia?

I thought I was.

VOTE: voided mafia

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All of his posts from the beginning? A complete lack of scumtells? Being forward and pro-active?

IAWTP

I just came in here to say that I am liking bulba. but i disagree with that tier read.

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What the hell is a 1-shot miller

Its kinda like a 3 shot friendly neighbor

I am sincerely hoping you will produce more than this.

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Well, I see I survived. Really should be making more content myself, but I am liking most of the posting currently. I still think Shos should post content if they are going to post at all, and Prohawk just feels... off? Like saying that mollie hasn't produced much content. Might just be ignorance, but worth looking into.

Also, BBmolla, the DGB thing was a joke, right?

what does any1 think of the chances that jackal just pointed to his scum team in this post?

VOTE: jackal

eta: pretty funny xpost.

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VOTE: jackal

yeah seems like that is the case

so who do you think the scumteam is?

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ffs

dgb

pick up

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DGB, I don't understand that vote at all.

mollie is too nice to lie, she drew scum, she's just coasting under the radar. She feels so guilty. It's sad. This is more euthanasia than a lynch.

that's me! *too nice*

I do try to lie when I am scum I am just pretty terrible at it.

I am not scum in this game.

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I am not scum in this game.

Your post is blushing.

I probably am but it is not from shame.

I am not sure any1 has ever accused me of being too nice before. I think metal did once and it ended up being a weird circular argument in which he thought I was scum for something stupid and I said mean things and it wound up being a circular argument for him in which no matter what I did I could not help him break free from it.

I am defo town.

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DON"T MAKE ME LAUGH

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DON"T MAKE ME LAUGH

what about jokes? Puns?

voided lets dance.

in the 2 games we played together you had a pretty ridiculous *AHEM* shall we call it affection for lynching me. in the first game you were correct but in the second game you were wrong until up to the very point I was recruited along with thorella by jacob savage and thorella talked you out of it but then you were recruited and cult won.

yes. I am wondering where this new congeniality is coming from.

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ffs you are scum.

VOTE: voidedmafia

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I just need to start here real quick... what is ffs?

for fuck's sake

it is an acronym.

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I LOVE YOU SHOS!!!

<<< You love everyone.
But so do I. >>>

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dgb do you have a read on prohawk yet

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Townread me. It is that easy. Look, I am not ENTIRELY useless, and am actually quite useful, even when I am practically VLA(uni shit is choking me) so just hold your horses until I am up to speed. Meanwhile, love me

shos plz tell me you really are busy and you are not just saying that in order to avoid this game.

<<< If it's any consolidation, *I* am legitimately busy, and certainly not avoiding my own game! >>>

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Not sure if VoidedMafia is town.

THAT IS GOOD ENOUGH FOR ME

VOTE: voided mafia

<<< As you were already voting for Voidedmafia, this vote will not be counted in the voting history, be it caused by forgetfulness or emphasis. >>>

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ooooooooh proooooohawk

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I'm getting strange vibes from shos, like not town-vibes. Also, up until his vote, the general vote pool has been spread thin. No-real-wagons. Could be trying to start something.

wouldn't it be easier for scum to join a wagon at this point?

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omg I just checked and you are so right!

VOTE: shos

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In other news, Ika said he can "solve" you. How does that make you feel?

that isn't exactly what he said.

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I am going to have to take some time and think about voidedmafia. this is so incredibly different from the voidedmafia that I experienced before.

did some1 steal your account?

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and the comment about stealing your account came across as bitchy and by all means I don't want to discourage the self-awareness process you have going on there I am just blown away by the maturity of it. what brought this on?

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A lot of his posts are about himself, which nag me as a kind of avoidance.

^ I agree with this. I am telling you he had srs playstyle issues with me and I don't see that changing after a break.

do you wanna lynch him?

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me and titus havent talked yet. i setup our qt already

i need to reread this thread. bulbazak and voided walls are tough to read in a glance.

we need to discuss

wat

bulba hasn't walled at all and voided put his in a spoiler tag.

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VOTE: sonic boom

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Cop claims allow me to ignore everything

Good thing all the scum are on my wagon so I can't be insta hammered

My proposed team is

Guille/mollie/DGB

I highly doubt all of the scum is on your wagon. Mollie and DGB aren't scum. Guille might be, but I find that too easy. I'm currently thinking Ika/Eddie/Dino. Possibly Voided if not Dino.

why couldn't dino and voided both be scum?

cos gut wise that is what I felt at first.

I feel like dgb and I are giving each other space and I am not sure what this means.

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I feel like metal is lying.

and I am not sure what to do with dgb's single focus on eddie w/o a "DIE SCUM DIE!!!" post and her readily believing that metal is telling the truth in the first place when metal is known for gambiting.

but what I find really strange is that istott picked up on metal being a "cop" and then metal claims cop and then says he didn't crumb.

like am I the only 1 who finds that whole exchange weird?

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okay. so there isn't a cc to sonic boom so whatever.

UNVOTE: sonic boom

its just that I a ton of times and he either fakeclaims or gambits IN EVERY GAME.

@ bulba - dgb had a huge slapfight in pikman and ever since then we have been giving each other space for a good bit. I think I am starting to see glimmers of town!dgb tho. also dgb can be wrong sometimes but I would never say that what

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why the fuck did that submit.

as I was saying I would never call what she does derp. there is often a method to her madness. so why the discredit?

anyhoo back to this:

VOTE: voided

I am unsure on prohawk I feel like he is being a lot more muted this game. so i am not seeing how bulba thinks this is his town game. hawk boy said he would do stuff in time so we will see.

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as I was saying I would never call what she does derp. there is often a method to her madness. so why the discredit?

In all of my experience with DGB, she's always been a huge liability to the town, normally resulting in a large amount of mislynches led by her and/or a town loss. Three examples where she was town: 1.) In Voided's nightless Mountainous game, she led, as town, every single mislynch. 2.) As Serene in NY 165, she claimed masons with a bulletproof town and then later turned on him. Town couldn't trust the hydra for the rest of the game, which distracted them from the scum, allowing for a scum win. 3.) In Ikaruga Mafia, she ended up tunneling strongly on town and ended up handing the scum team the game.

So, no Mollie, this is not a discredit. This is a reality. DGB is known for derp tunneling, and if I didn't have such a strong townread on her, I would not be opposed to policy lynching her for the lols. Heck, I still wouldn't object to her lynch.

we tunneled on each other in pikman, in our hydra she pegged 3 scum and in the serene hydra in touhou pegged scum gaiden and sk danny d1 so from

my

experience I see her differently so yeah I think it is a discredit. also in an allstar offsite game she pegged scum!thorella and scum!fate on d1 while every1 else was derping around.

also the more I think about it the more I am really not liking your prohawk townread.

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As the mod/co-mod for two of those games, I can back up those assertions. Her tunneling isn't terrible at this point, but it's not something to brush off.

P-edit: Pegging 3 scum is not the same as lynching 3 scum. it is also not enough to offset two counts of misleading the town to a loss/near-loss.

Bulb, perhaps ProHawk is a rather to-the-point kind of person, but that does not excuse the lack of presence from him.

those scum were lynched except for the 1 we vigged and mebbe the offsite game I dunno I didn't see how it ended cos the homesite players walls made my eyes literally bleed. we all have our derp moments no1 is infallible. both of you have seen how thorella and I will tunnel each other for 30 pages, we have gotten a bit better tho. I have been on the receiving end of dgb's tunneling fuck been on the receiving end of

your

derp tunneling voided. but I have seen more strong play from her than not and I pay attention to her reads. I am not gonna let you neg on some1 whom I consider to be a strong player. it doesn't seem like you have a large enough sample size from the looks of it. I have seen nacho do the exact same thing but every1 considers him a good player cos body of work he is.

@ bulba - I have a few games with prohawk both forum games and skype. he is far more assertive and aggressive than this. I am a heavy heavy meta player and to me if he is town (and I am trying to give him the benefit of the doubt) and to me this is very atypical of his town game so i wondering what the hell you are basing your read on.

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hey i wanted to lynch them I don't give a shit about the cop claim I am telling you he lies in every single game and people let him get away with it.

@ ika

I largely ignore you in games because you say dumb fucktarded things like "I will policy lynch dgb". lynch her cos you think she is scum but don't discredit her in a game when she doesn't deserve it or pl her based on the reasoning of bulba's pompous attitude. it is either ignore when you are even around but when you are you make dumb statements like that or be mean to you which I don't want to do cos I like you.

@ dgb

bulba did the same discrediting to me right after mastina's new york game where I correctly pegged him as scum. just ignore him and plz play cos you are not being helpful and THAT looks kind of scummy cos you have thicker skin than that.

I am good with either voided or prohawk.

I am telling you people that voided is scum it looks like he took a page out of mastina's "make yourself likeable" scumbook his charm is even working a little bit on me. he is scum.

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bulba did the same discrediting to me right after mastina's new york game where I correctly pegged him as scum.

Could he be scum here too?

he was town when he did it to me in chain. in the new york game where he was scum he did it to a small degree but mostly to suck up to thorella while thorella and I were in 1 of our wall wars so there was an agenda behind it. i am leaning mebbe town here. and don't get me wrong i

like

bulba but I know how he can get sometimes.

it surprises me that you are not putting more stock in his townread on eddie since you know how deep IRL ties can go.

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Thought about this for awhile and realized how big a load of crap it was. My next game with you after Manaical was Chain of Command, where I called you paranoid and said I preferred to deal with your other head. We ended up arguing for awhile before I attempted to reach out to you. It was after this that I started building a base line to read your town game, which has a lot more fire than your scum game. Guess what I'm not seeing in this game?

you were actively discrediting me in that game. period. end of story.

I was in that game. guess what I am not here.

Oh, and I looked back to see what was going on when you started the fight between DGB and me, and it seems that I had just started ramping up my push on Dino. It wasn't until after you accused me of discrediting DGB

(which was false)

that attention started to be drawn off of Dino and onto myself due to the offhanded comment, and it was at this point that Dino jumped in and started strawmanning my case in a further attempt to discredit me. You singlehandedly weakened my Dino-scum push by drawing attention to an offhand comment I made to Eddie which could be paraphrased as "Don't worry about it. DGB does this all the time.".

And one more thing: I was town in Chain of Command, and you do get paranoid. A lie of omission is still a lie.

^ erm...wat? you did discredit dgb that is why she is saying she is moping around being useless. own it.

and no1 was voting you so how exactly was attention being drawn off of math thing and onto you? and it is citing specific instances where you said that dgb's play was shit is explicitly discrediting her. math thing is discrediting your case not you as a player while you are discrediting dgb as a player. there is a difference.

the chain of command reference doesn't even make fucking sense. I SAID YOU WERE TOWN IN CHAIN OF COMMAND IN A LATER POST TO DGB.

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EBWOP: Dang it post preview, you didn't show me that Mollie had already responded...

ugh. I respond as I go along. I think we are doing a bit of talking past each other.

tell me how this is prohawk's town game.

in other newz voided is still scum.

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You claim that you've been seeing me as scummy

Prove this. Now. Or you are guilty of a heinous lie and shall be lynched as such. Your head will dangle.

Next. You said I lied about Mollie not producing content. What I said was:

"But offhandedly I can't think of any content you have produced either... so there is that."

Question: How is that a lie class?

Answer: It's not because I LITERALLY couldn't think of any content Mollie had produced. You can't know if I was ACTUALLY lying or not because you can't see into my brain.

Your case is full of holes, my flip will drown you.

except I had provided content at the time? so you are attacking math thing's argument for saying that I had produced content while you had not? and you hadn't. it was a false correlation you tried to make in order to try to dismantle the argument that math thing presented.

how interesting you are staying away from bulba and any tirade he gets involved in.

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I see no real scum reads the entirety of the day. He posts lots and comments lots but has no commitment. I am concerned for this: Post 216 says Ika is not town. Then in post 360 he says that I am wrong in thinking that ika is scum.

not town=/= scum.

Also, re-read my reads again and you'll know I have scum reads: Sonic, you, maybe Fenix, and was-so-at-the-time-but-not-so-much-at-deadline ProHawk.

P-EDIT: You're expecting another wagon to spring up in less than...what, 8 hours? It's possible, but not likely.

Istott, get back on Guille. I honestly don't think we have the time to bring up another wagon that's not already up near being lynched.

jesus christ srsly how this thing still alive?

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She gave up when I said that I've never been impressed by her scumhunting abilities. That's actually very atypical for DGB, and she's actually heard me express that opinion before and was never phased by it.

that isn't what happened. you said she was a terrible player cited games where apparently she led town losses. then you wanted to pl her.

and you didn't say i was paranoid again you said I was a terrible player so you would only talk to nacho.

be honest about what you did.

and your vote on ika is going nowhere so why the fuck are you trying to ensure that a no lynch happens rather than lynch voided? you have no case on guille and it was a shitty cw to the 1 building on voided.

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if it is bulba/voided/prohawk scumteam I am going to laugh hysterically. like no way it can be that easy.

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if the lynch does not go through today I think we can safely assume that voided is scum.

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every single time I have seen a lynch not go through it has been on scum. in 1 game it was multiball and both leading contenders were scum.

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Let's run someone else up so they can claim watcher or tracker.

Mollie is likely scum, this is the second time she ignored my posts.

I think if voided flips scum you are scum with him and possibly bulba too. you both are stalling the fuck out of this lynch and started the cw on guille.

look at how guille handed his wagon.

look at how voided is handling his.

guille is town. he cares about leaving his thoughts for town to chew on.

voided has been passively active all game but hasn't done jackshit in the way of reads and looks like pissy scumflail.

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every single time I have seen a lynch not go through it has been on scum. in 1 game it was multiball and both leading contenders were scum.

That's al well and good, but I've seen DL lynches stall on town as well. It's not infeasible.

Again, why aren't you talking to me? What part of "I want to figure out how we can work together" was completely misinterpreted?

it didn't look genuine cos you never followed up on it by asking me questions or ever offered up anything that was worth talking about.

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it didn't look genuine cos you never followed up on it by asking me questions or ever offered up anything that was worth talking about.

I asked you questions. Remember that quote that DGB posted her responses within? I asked you what your reads where there.

I asked you to talk to me. Multiple times. Sure, I may not have given topics to discuss with you, but you could've answered and given me questions, too. Even an answer of "I got nothing to talk about" would be something, but as far as I can tell you never gave me that.

I gave reads (granted, maybe not in an orderly form, but I've given them). Both you and guille are flat-out bullshitting on this point.

I just skimmed your iso and I am not sure what you are talking about. yes you asked to dialogue a few times. I will concede you asked some good questions. but it is down to the wire and what you shld be doing is leaving a clear trail. and you are not doing that.

what I saw was that eddie was scum, sonic was scum and so was prohawk but somehow a guille lynch was more viable even tho prohawk has been your top scumread all game. if you are town then talk to me now cos that move did not make since to me but I am unlikely to move my vote at this point and I am not lynching guille. and it has nothing to do with his claim. I was ready to still lynch sonic DESPITE his claim.

offer up a reads list now.

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@Voided, ProHawk, & Sonic: Vote Ika now!

@Mollie, DGB, and anyone else: If you kinda think that I might/could/should be scum, then quit waffling on it and freaking vote me! Don't place a hypothetical read on me based on what Voided may or may not flip, which you may or may not back off of the next day anyway. If you think my flip will help you find scum, then stop posturing and vote me.

I think this game is close to being solved via PoE. I currently have it narrowed down to the group of {Mollie, DGB, Shos, Ika, Dino, Voided}. Dino is definitely scum, and I'm leaning town on Mollie and Voided. DGB has thrown me off with her atypical behavior. Shos and Ika are good places to look going forward. Everyone else should not be touched.

you're not the boss of me

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4.) Ignoring the current spat of me-posts (from the big rant onwards), what is your read on me? Or, I suppose, how did my recent bunch of posts about myself change your read on me before I started doing that?5.) What are your thoughts on guille now that he's made some posts (this goes for Mollie, too)?6.) What are your reads on Ika, Sonic Boom, and Saurus and why? (also goes for Mollie! And probly bulb, too. Really goes for everyone other than those mentioned, but yknow.)

Here, quoted for you, Mollie.

Also, I'm still kinda waiting for you to stop giving me this "aw hell no" reaction every time I ask you something, pertinent or not. I feel like this entire day you've been trying to avoid me except for

two

instances where you talked to me instead (one where you explained why you expected me to lynch you--which I still feel was rather silly--and again when you asked about that mini-rant and where it came from). It feels like there's been this wall that you put up that you've never let break down, and even if I may be underwhelming in my reach-outs, I'm still trying to do so (even if I'm getting increasingly annoyed at your refusals to acknowledge them).

Honestly, I think it may help me more to be asked than to ask, simply because it's easier for me to focus on one direction I'm given rather than try to pull some semblance of a direction out of a conversation.

P-EDIT: Hey, Mrs. Around. Knock some sense into Mollie with me/for me, plz.

I am sorry voided I missed those! next time bold my name.

well right now I am asking you to give reads that you may have at this time cos even in the midst of all of your questions asking other players and saying you would be happy with this or that lynched I see no hard stances and I am wondering what the town motivation would be to stall now.

eta: xpost

so why did you move away from prohawk if he is your top scumread?

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im here for the berif moment about to head out, should be back in 10ish to be around for deadline if needed but am slightly busy

you were ready to pl dgb but now you don't even wanna see a lynch through

wat?

if we were not down to the wire I would lynch you for this

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COS IT IS CLOSE TO DL AND UNLIKELY TO GO THROUGH

PLUS IT WAS YOUR IDEA AND YOU ALSO WANTED TO LYNCH YOURSELF COS THAT IS UNLIKELY TO GO THROUGH TOO!

ffs, this isn't rocket science.

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so why did you move away from prohawk if he is your top scumread?

Mainly bulb. I could tell by the time Hawk neared L-2 (or w/e his max wagon was) that Bulb was pretty much going to defend that read to the absolute death if he had to. Then he started giving bad responses to Dino and my scumread began to rise again, but by that time we were at/less than a day before deadline and I doubted I'd have any time or ability to rebuild that wagon. Maybe I was wrong and I could've done it, but I didn't think I could.

Actually, correction: Prohawk has never been my top read (although he should be above Fenix in that readslist). I started scumreading him after the SB fiasco, and SB has been my top scumread ever since that.

...I feel like I should be asking you a question in return, but Iunno what it should be.

um...Ever played 1-Finger Death Punch?

P-EDIT: Unless you really don't want to follow Bulb, you can just join him in voting Ika. I am.

Vote: Ika

you have voted prohawk pretty consistently so for som1 who is not your topscumread you certainly thought he was scum enough to keep voting him!

he also has a better chance of getting lynched than ika since he has 2 votes on him and prohawk is still in your scumlist so why not move to a more viable wagon on 1 of your scumreads?

DIE SCUM DIE!!!!!

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ProHawk, Sonic, and Guille

In the next hour?

Also your "rolefishing" accusations are frivolous. We are one hour from deadline.

THANK YOU!!!

I don't think guille or metal are even around but how convenient prohawk is!

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please someone make someone die. I will die if we NL.

do you see who is doing the stalling? plz tell me you see it.

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Great, make me feel uneasy just about claiming. Now I'm not even sure if claiming will do us any good since we don't really have enough to wagon anyone else except guille, I think. (DGB, me, Bulb, Mollie, Ika, maybe shos...okay, maybe we do for someone like ProHawk, though we'd have to take out Bulb for that one.

I'm a sane cop

. While my scumread on Boom is partially influenced by my own role, it is mainly because I did not (and do not) believe that his play outside the claim is good enough that the claim saves him, and I wish you people wouldn't have left it like that. I do not feel like multi-cop automatically means one of us is scum due to the game in question, hence why I didn't immediately CC him.

As for why I'm claiming now? As I was saying, I still held the belief that I would survive till the next day. with ika's vote, I'm not as certain about that since I don't think shos is voting me right now. I also didn't want to claim because 2 wagons in a row have been dismantled pretty much entirely from claims, and even if I am a PR I didn't really want to see it happen again. If we HAVE to lynch me, even if I'm a PR, then let Shos hammer, but the thought of no-lynching is starting to sound mighty appealing, if only so we can sort these out somehow.

Vote: ProHawk

Might as well leave it where I want to keep it.

so on 1 hand you are saying that you know you are a sane cop and on the other saying there might multiple cops running around who don't know that they are sane or insane or paranoid etc? and you could just cc them but didn't? like how do you know you are a sane cop was it explicit in your role pm? cos in the multiple cop roles in games that I have seen they usually don't cos then it comes down to a follow the cop scenario.

I mean this game did make it through review.

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"sane" cop is a bit weird, did you ask Boom about his sanity?

ffs, dgb he is lying. as a cop you don't claim like an hour before dl when there is already a cop claim in play.

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Great, make me feel uneasy just about claiming. Now I'm not even sure if claiming will do us any good since we don't really have enough to wagon anyone else except guille, I think. (DGB, me, Bulb, Mollie, Ika, maybe shos...okay, maybe we do for someone like ProHawk, though we'd have to take out Bulb for that one.

I'm a sane cop

. While my scumread on Boom is partially influenced by my own role, it is mainly because I did not (and do not) believe that his play outside the claim is good enough that the claim saves him, and I wish you people wouldn't have left it like that. I do not feel like multi-cop automatically means one of us is scum due to the game in question, hence why I didn't immediately CC him.

As for why I'm claiming now? As I was saying, I still held the belief that I would survive till the next day. with ika's vote, I'm not as certain about that since I don't think shos is voting me right now. I also didn't want to claim because 2 wagons in a row have been dismantled pretty much entirely from claims, and even if I am a PR I didn't really want to see it happen again. If we HAVE to lynch me, even if I'm a PR, then let Shos hammer, but the thought of no-lynching is starting to sound mighty appealing, if only so we can sort these out somehow.

Vote: ProHawk

Might as well leave it where I want to keep it.

so on 1 hand you are saying that you know you are a sane cop and on the other saying there might multiple cops running around who don't know that they are sane or insane or paranoid etc? and you could just cc them but didn't? like how do you know you are a sane cop was it explicit in your role pm? cos in the multiple cop roles in games that I have seen

they usually don't cos then it comes down to a follow the cop scenario.

I mean this game did make it through review.

*they usually don't

know

cos then it comes down to a follow the

correct

cop scenario.

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828 is fundamentally correct and at the worst we net a scum in SB, who should have been lynched anyway.

Again, are you aware that this game may have multiple cops?

are you aware that you claimed sane cop and that there was already a cop claim in play and that you only wanted to lynch him in a list of pool of players that consisted of prohawk but for *whatever reason* decided to move to guille when it came down to dl? he posted more content than you and you wanted to lynch him over prohawk anyways?

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Welp, now you don't get anybody.

Probably will still vote SB tomorrow. Not sure if I wanna waste my investigate on him tonight.

the stall is on bulba not anybody else. he was actively and obviously trying to deflect your lynch

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*anticipate a bunch of self meta bullshit tomorrow*

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Yep. What are you going to do about it? You refused to lynch me when you had the chance.

you wouldn't have been lynched there was not enough players around.

this is really fucking obvious.

[pirate mollie]

1 of my mentors told me that when a some1 comments on the intelligence or competence of a scumteam they are more likely to flip scum.

[pirate mollie]

No, I'm saying that Dino-scum pushed a player for an easy non-reason and that his "case" contained absolutely zero analysis. All it did was look convincing, but upon closer inspection, there was no substance. At no point have I suggested that such a move is incompetent. In fact, it'd be the opposite. You're the one who's saying that Dino is not skilled enough to fake a case.

your word salad had no substance dino's thoughts had a organic progression of flow.

eta: no the fuck he didn't.

[pirate mollie]

you can twitch all you want all it is posturing when YOU are the reason for why this lynch did not go through.

[pirate mollie]

I mean jesus christ voided whines about special claims not getting lynched and at the last minute *special claims*

[pirate mollie]

Should I shoot Voided or Bulbazak?

I really want Bulbazak because he'll be harder to lynch.

eenie meanie miny mo

[pirate mollie]

Why the hell do we have a claimed cop at l-1?

cos you haven't read the game and not seen the way he claimed?

fucking derp town.

[pirate mollie]

Why the hell do we have a claimed cop at l-1?

cos you haven't read the game and not seen the way he claimed?

fucking derp town.

You don't need to insult me for being asleep.

sorry but I am really frustrated!

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: istott

[pirate mollie]

I do. Claiming a guilty on Mollie and then turning around to say that he must be insane is not a pro-scum move. It essentially turns him into policy lynch material, which is bad for a scum wincon. He'd have been better off claiming an innocent on a town player and leaving sanity ambiguous. The only way this makes sense for Sonic-scum is if you also believe Mollie is scum, which you've given zero indication.

Plus, I believe Sonic-town would investigate Mollie for those reasons.

I have survived 3 fake cop claims from scum!

it is true!

I missed a page and missed sonic's fake claim guilty on me!

I don't believe for a second that they are so retarded that if they questioned their sanity that they would not test it against something proveable.

VOTE: sonic boom

[pirate mollie]

Is there a reason other than the claim why you think he is scum, or are you going after the easy lynch?

what would be the positive return for going after lynchbait this early in the game? ffs, go after strong town, shit up the game and make it unreadable for town on d2. that is pretty standard scum play.

I was wondering if istott was lying cos in quicklynch I saw scum claim miller d1 and make it to endgame based on that claim. I don't know istott and yes the vote is based on his claim. I missed sonic claiming a guilty!

I don't hate sonic but fully expect you people to get retarded on me. his claim on d1 looked fake as shit and he is trying to do a save for his team me thinks. points to coaching methinks.

[pirate mollie]

what would be the positive return for going after lynchbait this early in the game?

The lynch bait in this game are easy policy lynches. Nobody would look twice if scum stuck a vote there.

ffs, go after strong town, shit up the game and make it unreadable for town on d2. that is pretty standard scum play.

I don't think there's such a thing as standard scum play. You've seen enough variation to know this. Why are you pushing the opposite?

Also, what is the scum advantage to claiming 1-shot miller over regular miller?

the advantage would more than likely be the same as claiming infinitive miller?

I mean this is hedging on a miller claim.

on 1 hand I get metal might have viewed me if he was town but I DON'T get why not test it against the claimed miller first.

[pirate mollie]

I get that, but then I remember it's Metal, so I can see how that can happen.

lol. bulba there are reasons why I do like you despite you being incredibly pompous at times.

as i said, metal wanting to sort me out early makes sense. but he remembered that voided flipped sane cop enough to consider that his read might be off. that is where it breaks down for me. that suggests thought ahead of time but running with the paranoia of me leading a lynch on voided.

I think there are multiples for common roles but ugh.

[pirate mollie]

I don't like the '1 shot miller' claim, and I would have called Jackal scum based on it. You appear townier, thus I am just going to ignore the claim instead of calling you scum too.

By ignoring the claim, do you mean that you don't believe it?

if you are town, your claim is real.
if you are scum, your claim is fake.

how do i know if you are scum or not? by using my good judgment and reading skills. not by my copcop which agenda can be messed with.


so my whole strategy was to read you by play, not by claim.


not like i remembered you replaced into jackal anyway

no.

[pirate mollie]

you remember what time it is in est but forgot that istott claimed 1 shot miller in which you could test your sanity?

stop trying to get rid of me metal.

[pirate mollie]

I am not sure if i buy that you or titus are that sloppy!

[pirate mollie]

I was there for you in our hydra metal!

[pirate mollie]

Lmao I really forgot that jackal was replaced by isott lol

then why did you not view jackal to test your views out if you did not get a sanity on your role after voided flipped sane cop?

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:

I will hear metal out.

[pirate mollie]

also @ ika

I am not entirely ignoring you if you wanna ask me something then plz do! you said i wasn't reaching out to you and I was explaining why.

[pirate mollie]

@bulb: i aim to displease, wanna talk about my disspaointing reads, i should eb around in a few hrs.

@mollie, whats your reads atm? and whats your take on the nk?

i am not gonna lie my confidence is shaken after the voided flip.

I am confused about metal cos of how he handled voided saying that he was

sane

cop and he did not make a bigger deal about it. I will hear him out tho cos if metal is town then he is capable of sending out a clear strong town signal. I wanna hear what he has to say.

dgb worries me a bit but bulba is giving me much bigger niggles. how he is obtaining his reads doesn't make sense to me. I don't think the 2 are scum together. <----- still trying to work them out.

I think shos was universally townread hence the nk. I probably need to review what his reads were. I feel like istott might actually be town when I did a review on that slot.

I feel like guille's exit posts when he thought he was going to be lynched were pretty townish but no he hasn't said who he jailed. noted.

I know this isn't much ika but it is all I have for right now. I am still trying to get a grip on the game.

[pirate mollie]

What exactly don't you like?

I feel like the arguments you are using against dino are the same kind of arguments you used in maniacal street. word salad.

I'm pretty sure Shos was lynch bait for most of d1.

that wasn't my take. do you think scum have a day role cop? cos otherwise why do YOU think he was nked?

[pirate mollie]

@bulb: i aim to displease, wanna talk about my disspaointing reads, i should eb around in a few hrs.

@mollie, whats your reads atm? and whats your take on the nk?

i am not gonna lie my confidence is shaken after the voided flip.

I am confused about metal cos of how he handled voided saying that he was

sane

cop and he did not make a bigger deal about it. I will hear him out tho cos if metal is town then he is capable of sending out a clear strong town signal. I wanna hear what he has to say.

dgb worries me a bit but bulba is giving me much bigger niggles. how he is obtaining his reads doesn't make sense to me. I don't think the 2 are scum together. <----- still trying to work them out.

I think shos was universally townread hence the nk. I probably need to review what his reads were. I feel like istott might actually be town when I did a review on that slot.

I feel like guille's exit posts when he thought he was going to be lynched were pretty townish but no he hasn't said who he jailed. noted.

I know this isn't much ika but it is all I have for right now. I am still trying to get a grip on the game.

it better then nothing. ive been needing someone to soundboard off of that has similar wavelength (or play for a better term) so i dont go insane trying to listen to everyone logic everyone to death

half of the players i feel liek are just going to push me to my limits so its nice to have someone who can at least do something to keep me in check. i would se shos b/c hes a derp (entertaing derp) but now hes gone.

what about DBG ping you exactly? i can understand how bulb pings you in his "magical reads"

bolded: clairfy?

whats your read on eddie? theres soemthing about him that irks me and part of me wants to go full ika and shout it but i want o see if anyone else is picking up on what im possibly seeing or looking too uch into it

are you asking why I thought that shos was universally a townread? I thought he kinda was! he was run up and then the wagon dissipated....I thought people were townreading him. I sure as hell read him as town. or are you asking about istott?

dgb is vague feelings, I feel like she is holding back a ton. I continue to find bulba a bit scummier especially after thoroughly discrediting dgb d1 only now to accuse her of not offering up reads.

I don't have a read on eddie. I think i only have 1 completed game with eddie and he just doesn't make a mark with me.

I am unhappy with metal's recent posting.

I thought his claim sounded fake when he made it and he promised a big long post and failed to deliver.

[pirate mollie]

Ika is tttttoooootally town.

I don't see it, I want to see what you see!

I can tell you what i see!

ika looks like frustrated town who wants some1 to talk to so he has a pivotal axis from which he can spin his understanding of the gamestate from. he does this through interaction and reaction.

while I kinda wanna hear metal out I also feel like he is stalling.

[pirate mollie]

while I kinda wanna hear metal out I also feel like he is stalling.

What are you waiting for?

to hear him out?

I feel like this shld be obv.

[pirate mollie]

where is your big long post metal?

[pirate mollie]

what exactly do you agree with about the dgb reads if you have her as town?

[pirate mollie]

what exactly do you agree with about the dgb reads if you have her as town?

[pirate mollie]

hhhmmm....

[pirate mollie]

you are going to have to unpack that for me.

[pirate mollie]

ohhhhh diiiiiinoooo

[pirate mollie]

Hey there everyone. I'm eyestott, istotts replacement. (Wink wink) Xd

cld you mebbe...do something.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: nazerene

[pirate mollie]

okay so lets have some discussion finally wants it!

dgb - do you see what i mean about metal now? I feel like he shld have been all over the voided with the other cop claim especially since voided's was very specific. but i dunno. viewing me n1 wld make since with metal cos he wld want to sort me and he got a guilty and isn't jumping all over it instead he is pausing and saying, "our results might not be legit" but he is lurking.

nazarene freaks me out cos of their sheeping me in the previous day round and it just doesn't feel natural. I am not understanding bulba's reads especially the prohawk 1 cos this doesn't look like town prohawk at ALL.

[pirate mollie]

Sonic Boom should be scum but he feels soooo town.

I feel that way too. I can't bring myself to vote him.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: sonic boom

[pirate mollie]

L-1

[pirate mollie]

Mastin plz

wtf is this post

[pirate mollie]

she isn't even awake yet.

<<< True enough, but you'd be surprised at my sleep schedule. I might not have woken up to see it for a while, but I could have been staying up late enough to have seen it. I just didn't stay up

that

late. >>>

[pirate mollie]

eyestott don't.

and I am being dead srs here.

[pirate mollie]

guille needs to say who he jked. like today.

otherwise i am lynching him.

[pirate mollie]

I agree I think guille is scum too.

VOTE: nazarene

[pirate mollie]

the dino vote is lolololololololol

[pirate mollie]

@ nazerene

I wld think that guille wld use his role as a protective rather than a block given the knowledge he had at the time. he wasn't protecting ika, he was BLOCKING ika who is pretty town. smells like scum to me.

[pirate mollie]

Scum is in {Nazarene,

Mathdino

, ProHawk} and {Fenix, guille}.

ezpz
lynch who you please

[pirate mollie]

[pirate mollie]

Dino, if you happen to be town, your logic is horrendous and wrong. And you are pushing a mass-claim for what will not help town.

At best you are anti-town, but your actions and words just play into scum's hands. FWIW mollie is not anywhere NEAR super-duper-town.

sonic boom practically made me an IC. and you dare say that dgb doesn't know what she is doing? you are awful if you are town. thinking awfulscum.

[pirate mollie]

sonic boom practically made me an IC. and you dare say that dgb doesn't know what she is doing? you are awful if you are town. thinking awfulscum.

This is Mollie-Scum. You ignoring me is scum, especially when I pointed out your scum-meta and you ignored it. Completely.

I am not ignoring you I am actively fosing you and have been all game.

like I have said, "I think prohawk is scum."

[pirate mollie]

And you are voting Nazarene.

I am voting nazarene cos I am supporting a guilty claim.

a guilty claim that you acknowledge exists.

ffs there is no way you are this bad as town bulba was on crack when he said you were town.

[pirate mollie]

Love the attacks on skill play Mollie. It makes you much more credible.

Nice fish Ika, but you will come up empty handed.

you attacked dgb's skill play so you might not want to go there.

[pirate mollie]

like on this very same page.

[pirate mollie]

DINO IF YOU DO NOT COME IN HERE AND SAY THAT YOU HAVE A 100% GUILTY ON NAZARENE I AM GOING TO RAM PROHAWK'S LYNCH THROUGH

[pirate mollie]

dino I am losing confidence in you!!!

but read up I will wait.

[pirate mollie]

dino how can prohawk be a dumbass and scum at the same time? I mean calling some1 a "dumbass" implies that you think they are dumbass town and you are talking to him like you think he is town but then you call him scum a few sentences later???

[pirate mollie]

dino how can prohawk be a dumbass and scum at the same time? I mean calling some1 a "dumbass" implies that you think they are dumbass town and you are talking to him like you think he is town but then you call him scum a few sentences later???

Because if he's scum nothing I do can appeal to him. If he's town, he's being a dumbass, but unfortunately that's the side I have to appeal to in order to get him to claim and cooperate.

I'm leaning scum on him if he continues to refuse to cooperate but honestly, I'm really not sure.

okay, this makes sense. I think he is scum for entirely different reasons. his pushes are all wrong and my credibility is called into question cos I attacked his skill level when he did the same to dgb. there is a cog-dis there that does not sit right with me.

why are you questioning your guilty on nazarene (aside from framer paranoia) did she do something townie that makes you doubt it? I thought her exchanges with you looked pretty townish but I cannot ignore the d1 sheeping and her denial of it taking place.

[pirate mollie]

What are the chances that mafia have a roleblocker and blocked guille?

Not sure because I don't know peoples roles or what the power roles for mafia are tbh. However, given that my track record has always been to dance with people to figure them out, guille has become my targeted partner for the day.

I don't think that guille wld lie about jking you if he were scum. I need to check something.

[pirate mollie]

not really, im not investigative but i do know my role impacts investigation

ill leave it at that for now

wld your role allow you to know if you were jked?

[pirate mollie]

dino I think there is a good chance your view is legit. I am not sold on the nazarene/prohawk can't both be scum theory. he acknowledges that you have a guilty on nazarene, acknowledges that you might be town but is voting you over nazarene.

this is what i mean his pushes don't make sense.

also the only 1s who are claiming an investigative role is you so where is this "swath of investigative roles" that you speak of cos only voided has flipped cop and ika is saying that he isn't.

[pirate mollie]

I attacked his skill level when he did the same to dgb.

I can qualify DGB's, can you qualify mine?

I can't qualify a negative (and I am saying you can't be this dumb) but I will try!

[pirate mollie]

Lemme actually push something that makes sense.

VOTE: Mollie

We can't solve anything except give Scum ammo to shoot people with Dino.

FWIW, Mollie still hasn't explained why she is quasi-IC and instead decides to push me as some cog-dis confused idiot, dumb person.

no, this doesn't make sense.

I said that sonic boom's interaction with me makes me practically IC. like you even quoted the post where i said this.

you are scum hawk boy. plain and simple.

@ dino

okay I am absorbing that you got an inno on bulba who was a miller and a guilty on nazarene. I am kind of thinking this might confirm nazarene as town.

I don't think we need to massclaim I think we can do just fine with the info we have now but I am all for pressure (actually I just want to lynch him) on prohawk cos he is scummy as fuck.

VOTE: prohawk

[pirate mollie]

dino I think there is a good chance your view is legit. I am not sold on the nazarene/prohawk can't both be scum theory. he acknowledges that you have a guilty on nazarene, acknowledges that you might be town but is voting you over nazarene.

this is what i mean his pushes don't make sense.

also the only 1s who are claiming an investigative role is you so where is this "swath of investigative roles" that you speak of cos only voided has flipped cop and ika is saying that he isn't.

That still doesn't explain the guille/Fenix shenanigans. The only explanation is one of Nazarene/ProHawk is roleblocker and blocked guille repeatedly.

I want Fenix's results.

After I want Nazarene's results of course.

AFTER I WANT PROHAWK'S RESULTS OMFG

HE'S PLAYING LIKE A JESTER

I just want to lynch him.

[pirate mollie]

okay so walk me through this dino

you think that it is more likely that there wld be a gun framer in addition to a sane cop framer? we already had a lawyer/tailor flip and we lynched him so he did not get in a night action for n2.

walk me through this plz

[pirate mollie]

okay so can you answer my earlier question as to what nazarene did that made you wanna back off that claim and go with gun framer?

[pirate mollie]

UNVOTE:

wat guilty on prohawk

[pirate mollie]

link?

[pirate mollie]

Aaand you have a probably guilty on me... yet you are probably insane... which means that you got an innocent on me, but are second guessing it because you think you might be insane. Yet you vote EF. This makes loads of sense, also you have a gun. Or were seen with a gun, or were framed with a gun.

stop discrediting me.
I have a result on you that equates to a guilty, but it doesn't necessarily have to be, depending on what your role is.
Like a vig to a gunsmith. But here the range of roles that equates the vig is rather large; I cannot tell you my role before you claim because you could just cater your claim to it. I'm also not going to claim my role before you because there is quite a chance that your fakeclaim as scum will be foiled by our investigation report.

Apart from that, I think EF has been scummier than you.

And you don't like my voting, but don't explain what you don't like about it.

That you immediately vote dino after he's stating he's going to 1v1 with us. In general, faking a guilty as scum for no reason is losing play. I don't see why you wouldn't first attempt to wait and see what it actually was.

Do you still think dino is scum?

this is the only post they made. if they had a guilty on prohawk don't you think they wld have voted him before eddie?

[pirate mollie]

I am not trying to be difficult here i am just trying to work out thought processes.

cos i think prohawk looks horrifyingly scummy and I do not get why they wld want to keep him alive with a guilty suspicion on him due to role.

[pirate mollie]

I don't think a redirect works on some1 who is jked.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: prohawk

[pirate mollie]

I think prohawk is scum cos he is trying to use bullshit made up meta against me,usi dumb fear tactics at inappropriate times and isn't even pretending to scumhunt outside of me. he i doing the typical "I am only going to fous on this 1 person at the exclusion of every1 else so I don't drop any unintentional associative tells" like this is scum 101.

[pirate mollie]

he is also sidelining his votes so he can sit back and take potshots at town. <----- scummeh

[pirate mollie]

I'm at the point where I am almost glad to help scum win because if mollie and Dino are town, they deserve to lose.

^ potshot at town while sidelining his vote.

[pirate mollie]

I'm done. I'm the ultimate cop. Nothing can get past me (lawyers, ect). I can target someone but wont get results until the end of the following night. I targeted Bulba N1 because I thought his overzealous defense of me was strange, but after learning he was town is actually pretty freaking impressive.

Scum won't keep me alive because there can't be anything they can do to stop me from getting a guilty. Do what you will, but congrats Mollie and Dino.

They are both highly likely scum, maybe Nazarene but I haven't really decided on them yet.

well then.

I see your crumb. but I am confused that you are impressed with bulba but don't trust his read on me? and why were you using bad meta? like the meta doesn't even make sense (unless you meta dived me and you must have cos I did use to do shakespeare quotes and sometimes still do!) given in most of our games we have been town together if not all of them.

I am just confused cos your play is really freaking weird but mebbe this is how you are as a special?

I am trying to reach out.

also I am getting the heebiejeebies about dgb.

[pirate mollie]

ika.

[pirate mollie]

thoughts

[pirate mollie]

Jeez, finally.

We're a tracker.
Our role pm states that our results may not be accurate and that we may instead reverse if our target is targeting someone or not.

We tracked bulb N1 to the kill. This means that we are the insane variant unless severe shenanigans.
We tracked prohawk N2 to nowhere, so we knew he performed a targeting night action. This checks out with his claim, although it does not confirm his claim.

Ef and ika next?

Prohawk, I wanna have a talk with you when I have time which will probably be tomorrow or the day after.
-Tier

[pirate mollie]

Jeez, finally.

We're a tracker.
Our role pm states that our results may not be accurate and that we may instead reverse if our target is targeting someone or not.

We tracked bulb N1 to the kill. This means that we are the insane variant unless severe shenanigans.
We tracked prohawk N2 to nowhere, so we knew he performed a targeting night action. This checks out with his claim, although it does not confirm his claim.

Ef and ika next?

Prohawk, I wanna have a talk with you when I have time which will probably be tomorrow or the day after.
-Tier

I suck at multi-tasking.

anyways from what I understand prohawk uses his power nightly but the results are delayed.

is this correct prohawk?

so he shld have gone somewhere last night.

[pirate mollie]

@ eddie

it is just vague niggles nothing specific and nothing I am going to pursue right now. I think you are town for the way you challenged guille.

[pirate mollie]

@ dino

erm...eyesore DID take the time to explain exactly how his role works?

[pirate mollie]

Just going by the way you've been approaching the game and setup spec. ika is someone I recall having a certain penchant for setup spec and gamebreaking.

that hasn't been my experience with ika at all. do you have a link to a game where he did this? he says he can but I have yet to see it. this isn't negging on ika it is just i am trying to figure out why you think this.

@ prohawk - jesus christ i don't remember you ever being this big of a giant baby. we have lynched scum, it is d3 I wld say town is not doing too bad and it confuses me and it seems like you are trying to undermine town which is what sonic did who was scum.

@ eyesore - I am not an investigative role.

[pirate mollie]

I don't think you've actually read the post in which I claim. If you had have, you'd know that I probably get the opposite result and that I cannot get random results.

Well, I did, and that's why I was confused. I just checked the wiki. Insane is the opposite, all my [mafia]life I've been thinking its random result. So, I was confused because You said something that contradicted with my definition.

So basically, you can only check if someone travels or not.

If this is true, then Prohawk is certainly scum.

I came to this conclusion ages ago. what prohawk is suggesting with his role is that there is another possibility of a follow the cop scenario that overrides scum's probably primary power. what i don't get is why nazarene doesn't get this and it confuses things. and prohawk's play does NOT make sense from an ultimate cop POV. there are no crumbs and why hell did he investigate bulba? wasn't bulba a townread? even if he got paranoid of him wouldn't it make more sense to investigate some1 yanno, he actually was pushing for scum like me?

[pirate mollie]

I don't crumb.

I already explained my pushes.

I'm not dealing with Giant-Baby-Mollie for the rest of the game.

I am not the 1 who is being a giant baby as in I am no the 1 running around saying town is doing a terrible job on d3 when 1 of the lynches were on scum. so you want me lynched cos you have decided you don't like me? lol

@ mastina - count me in for bulba's role pm altho guessing by your reaction it won't be all that informative. plz post it anyway tia.

<<< Got it.
Also, remember that this is for

Bulbazak's

role PM. If you want to see Voided's, that's a separate request that needs to be made. >>>

[pirate mollie]

mastina can we see voided's too

[pirate mollie]

vote for public showing

[pirate mollie]

/town apathy

[pirate mollie]

ffs stating intent to hammer but I find it weird that ika is not

has prohawk or eddie given their results yet if they have I forget blame it on early onset alzheimer's.

[pirate mollie]

Including ika in my randomisation of investigate targets.

He should really claim before I do so.

I thought you already claimed.

[pirate mollie]

okay well this does not address that you are saying you did not fully claim which is what you implied.

[pirate mollie]

Which probably means they are scum and I am wrong about pretty much everything (except maybe Mollie) but only time will tell.

so what you are saying here is nazarene is town and you are scum.

cos I am pretty sure that is what you are saying.

[pirate mollie]

retract intent to hammer.

[pirate mollie]

kinda wish you did that after nazarene caught up
but whatever

what do you think caused my guilty on nazarene

what is your current read on prohawk

[pirate mollie]

nazarene is voting guille.

[pirate mollie]

VOTE: nazarene

[pirate mollie]

Jailkeepers don't have guns, and I'm undeniably sane by now.

If scum have a gun framer they wouldn't have used it on the guy they were gonna kill anyway.

If guille said what he said he was gonna do, Fenix is cleared. Plus, Naz's flip basically confirms that guille was being roleblocked for the first 2 days, which matches up perfectly.

ProHawk is cleared to the extent to which you believe his claim.

I want to hear his case on mollie.

Fenix and I can probably find scum even if we no lynch repeatedly. This game is practically in the bag.

agree that fenix and prohawk are likely town. I think guille likely did what he said he wld do and nazarene claimed a guilty on prohawk soyeah. still liking dgb for town.

eyesore is definitely town. going by poe it HAS to be ika.

dino I will out if you want me to. I think you shld have me in your strong town pile I mean sonic claimed a cop guilty on me and nazarene all of d1 following my votes. when I called her out on it she was like "me, sheep

your

votes" but look at d1 I wld vote and then nazarene wld immediately vote the same person that I was. go look if you don't believe me.

VOTE: ika

whoops wrong account

[pirate mollie]

just to be sure

VOTE: ika

[pirate mollie]

Hey, matdino, do you think there could be a death miller or some kind of death reveal framer?

the roles so far are pretty standard. I said as much on d1.

but yeah we are doing incredibly well. it doesn't hurt that scum are cliaiming fake guilties and not following through.

[pirate mollie]

Ollie, I would like you to reveal.

I will claim when dino wants me too.

[pirate mollie]

dino metal didn't claim voided's role he said he thought he was insane cos he got a guilty on me, remember?

[pirate mollie]

dino metal didn't claim voided's role he said he thought he was insane cos he got a guilty on me, remember?

So Sonic could've been unknowably a death miller.

We'll know when we lynch scum. If there're 2 scum, all the more likely we'll hit scum with any given lynch.

eyestott, vote ika. When ika claims, mollie can.

town just seems ovepowered as fuck tho. I guess there cld have been potential wifom in the multiple claims.

prohawk better not have investigated any1 else but me after the way he has been screaming that I am scum since d1 and all that posturing on d2. I still don't understand why he investigated bulba who he was townreading and not me whom he was scumreading.

[pirate mollie]

I am not talking about you I am talking about prohawk.

[pirate mollie]

No I know, I'm just saying investigating a townread makes sense.

At the same time I agree that he should seriously be investigating you pretty soon with 1 scum left.

he shld have investigated me n2 and he wld have have gotten the results last night.

[pirate mollie]

I could have sworn that I explained why I targeted Bulba, but I will elaborate again. His staunch defense of me when there was an apparent lack from everyone else seemed off to me which was why I investigated him. I will let you know who I targeted when I get my results.

you shld have gotten your results in the night round if your role works the way that you say it does. or at the very least this morning cos mastina isn't that sloppy.

[pirate mollie]

or you can always explain it in exact detail. from what I remember is you claimed ultimate cop with delayed results.

[pirate mollie]

Why? Are you going to push me as scum more?

I think you are stalling and bullshitting right now. if this isn't what you are doing then just explain exactly how you role works and why you wldn't have your results yet cos I have a mastina game before and know she isn't sloppy.

[pirate mollie]

dino i think dgb might just be trolling. thats her SOH.

I think hawk boy is stalling.

also it looks like ika has of site flaked a bit. I hope he comes back soon.

[pirate mollie]

Lynch in order barring any guilties:
ika
DGB

I may be vanilla but I can confirm myself LOL.

wait what

through investigation or otherwise?

Not, through the fact that I have been sending fake vig kills every night to mastin2. She refuses to process them, but that's not my problem. Last night I tried to fakevig Nazarene in the Dead PT, just in case he could come back from the dead.

QED

I was vt in a recent offsite game and I kept trying to send in my night actions too! but all the gm wld do was to quote me my vanilla town role pm.

hawk boy dino has asked you politely to explain exactly how your role works and your response is to say "oh dino 1 of us is going to nked!!!1!". your only saving grace is that nazarene claimed a guilty on you but that is running out quick.

[pirate mollie]

okay.

VOTE: hawk boy

ftr I wld be grumpy too cos i think town are ridiculously overpowered.

[pirate mollie]

so ika!

callout time

[pirate mollie]

If I had information to help, I would offer it. Until then you are going to have to settle with my "stalling"

And my reads sucking will just have to wait until endgame.

also I am guessing you wld have your results by now so any info will be useful!

like even if you got a town result why aren't you seeing that.

[pirate mollie]

DGB, how does fake actioning confirm you?

eyesore she is trying to have fun while being the only vt in a role madness game. wait to get weird about her.

ika and prohawk need sorting!

prohawk...results?

[pirate mollie]

Wait to get wierd about her? What do you mean?

eyesore this is probs the everest I will be mean to you.

here is a ball:



ika has posted recently and prohawk has not given results. <---- higher priorities.

leave dgb alone for no now. if the game comes down to poe she knows she is fucked. it is a role madness game.

that isn't the image I had in mind.

I typed a different 1 wtf.

anyways.



image.

like that totally ruined the effect and I was feeling all self-righteous and stuff.

[pirate mollie]

Ika came back town on Day 2. Dino came back with no result night 3. Now.... There's a lot of questions to be asked here, and I'm not sure where to start....

ball

[pirate mollie]

Hi Tier!

VOTE: shos

Don't kill Nazarene

hey hawk boy lets revisit d1 shall we?

was a there a particular reason you were townreading nazarene at this point? can you link me the games you have played with them before as to where you feel like you cld feel confident about reading them correctly so early?

also looking through your iso your angst is disproportionate to what is going on in the game, why is that? is it because we have played skype mafia and you are in school to become a paramedic and we have medical field in common and you know I am unlikely to hold it against you cos you know I like you and you know that I know you just have your game face on? (which is obnoxious btw)

cos i am trying to figure it out cos there is no discernible reason!

I don't like ika's claim. I don't see how that can be anything other than a scum role and it sounds like another way of claiming the don.

[pirate mollie]

Yo mollie, claim?

town doc2. protected guille d1, you n2 and you n3. the nks are throwing me off.

this is why I said I thought the game was mostly composed of standard roles with a few twists I said this on d2 after shos flipped.

I thought I might have blocked guilles on n1 which is what i had to go check on to make I protected dino n2 but dino received his result so no, that didn't happen and I moved. frankly I was just grateful that I was not a variant like paranoid doc who kills the very person they are trying to protect.

ffs. pickup

[pirate mollie]

there was zero protown incentive for prohawk to not reveal his target when there are 2 scum down.

and ika revealed his exact role title he is claiming death miller.

[pirate mollie]

Because I'm bored:

1. ProHawk investigated ika.
mollie protects ProHawk.
Fenix and I both investigate ProHawk.
Suppose we take a shot in the dark and lynch DGB.

Results:
If scum kill ika, they do our lynch for us. If scum kill either me or Fenix, the other can still confirm ProHawk. If scum kill mollie, we have both ProHawk and ika as conftown.
This covers for instances in which ProHawk, ika, and DGB are scum. Left to confirm are {mollie, Mathdino, Fenix, eyestott}. If mollie dies and flips town we have simply {Mathdino, Fenix, eyestott}, at which point we can no lynch and have both of us check eyestott or each other. Scum would presumably kill ProHawk. From my standpoint, this either confirms eyestott as scum or leaves Fenix as scum, but isn't so great for eyestott and ika. Hmm.

Just rambling, there's probably a better way. Thinking this through.

a zero world exists where I am going to protect prohawk.

[pirate mollie]

Because I'm bored:

1. ProHawk investigated ika.
mollie protects ProHawk.
Fenix and I both investigate ProHawk.
Suppose we take a shot in the dark and lynch DGB.

Results:
If scum kill ika, they do our lynch for us. If scum kill either me or Fenix, the other can still confirm ProHawk. If scum kill mollie, we have both ProHawk and ika as conftown.
This covers for instances in which ProHawk, ika, and DGB are scum. Left to confirm are {mollie, Mathdino, Fenix, eyestott}. If mollie dies and flips town we have simply {Mathdino, Fenix, eyestott}, at which point we can no lynch and have both of us check eyestott or each other. Scum would presumably kill ProHawk. From my standpoint, this either confirms eyestott as scum or leaves Fenix as scum, but isn't so great for eyestott and ika. Hmm.

Just rambling, there's probably a better way. Thinking this through.

no.

how about you walk me through the progression of how prohawk moved to a townread when he has not made it clear how exactly his role works and given ample time to do so whilst witholding his result?

a zero world exists where I am going to protect prohawk.

How bout the one where we can confirm him as town/scum the day after?

[pirate mollie]

Because I'm bored:

1. ProHawk investigated ika.
mollie protects ProHawk.
Fenix and I both investigate ProHawk.
Suppose we take a shot in the dark and lynch DGB.

Results:
If scum kill ika, they do our lynch for us. If scum kill either me or Fenix, the other can still confirm ProHawk. If scum kill mollie, we have both ProHawk and ika as conftown.
This covers for instances in which ProHawk, ika, and DGB are scum. Left to confirm are {mollie, Mathdino, Fenix, eyestott}. If mollie dies and flips town we have simply {Mathdino, Fenix, eyestott}, at which point we can no lynch and have both of us check eyestott or each other. Scum would presumably kill ProHawk. From my standpoint, this either confirms eyestott as scum or leaves Fenix as scum, but isn't so great for eyestott and ika. Hmm.

Just rambling, there's probably a better way. Thinking this through.

a zero world exists where I am going to protect prohawk.

How bout the one where we can confirm him as town/scum the day after?

no.

how about you walk me through the progression of how prohawk moved to a townread when he has not made it clear how exactly his role works and given ample time to do so whilst witholding his result?

/fixed.

[pirate mollie]

What if Fenix and I investigate each other, and mollie flips a coin between protecting either of us? Even if scum is between me and Fenix, they'd be forced to off mollie or risk a nokill and then we'd have 2 conftown investigators along with ProHawk's result. ProHawk doesn't need to out anything.

ProHawk, please confirm whether or not you investigated in {me, Fenix}.

he shld have investigated me, yanno his top scumread who is not an easy mislynch?why were neither you nor him targeted last night? scum went for the person who cld block their nk not for the investigative role.

[pirate mollie]

a doc can't self-protect on this site.

and you keep ignoring everything I am bringing up about prohawk.

you seem like you are trying to give him an out for no apparent reason like he did not claim odd night delayed ultimate cop. and if that is what he claimed I say lynch him cos he is fucking useless given the current gamestate and stands a 75% chance right that it is a scum fakeclaim. his antagonism is misplaced like it is completely out of nowhere why are you defending him but not trying to seem like you are defending him.

I don't like backtracking on my townreads but dino you are not making sense right now!

if my paranoia is misplaced then I am sorry but you are being uber confusing!

[pirate mollie]

I'm defending him because if we're going to lynch him, I'd prefer it be after he gives a result. I'm willing to compromise on that since

we have 3 lynches left

. 3 lynches and 2 NK flips.

We have time, mollie. We can absolutely confirm his alignment by tomorrow (we can doubly confirm his alignment if he claims a guilty on a townie, we can just lynch between them).

It's not so much defending him as "Leave him the fuck alone for now, if he's scum he'll die soon enough."

he shld by his own claim have given a result TODAY unless you think he is ultimate delayed odd night cop.

which I do not buy.

eyesore ffs plz be useful.

[pirate mollie]

Meh. If we're gonna lynch it should be in {ika, DGB} IMO. ika as partially policy.

Lynching reduces the number of people we have to confirm. Furthermore there's no negative utility since they don't have abilities.

If it were up to me, lynch ika and have someone check DGB.

I am not lynching dgb cos according to hawk I worship her and I am not 1 for a pl at this stage of the game.

I am going to make REALLY simple:

do you think that prohawk is an ultimate delayed odd night cop

[] yes
[] no

[pirate mollie]

Also, why do you keep calling me eyesore?

I tend to come up with nicknames with people so I can orient them inside my head. eyesore just fit, not that you are an actual eyesore but it is what sprung to mind when I read your username as eyestott

[pirate mollie]

somehow you missed in that post how I am directly asking you if you believe in prohawk's ultimate delayed odd night cop claim.

it was a yes or no question.

[pirate mollie]

I'm done. I'm the ultimate cop. Nothing can get past me (lawyers, ect). I can target someone but wont get results until the end of the following night. I targeted Bulba N1 because I thought his overzealous defense of me was strange, but after learning he was town is actually pretty freaking impressive.

Scum won't keep me alive because there can't be anything they can do to stop me from getting a guilty. Do what you will, but congrats Mollie and Dino.

They are both highly likely scum, maybe Nazarene but I haven't really decided on them yet.

^ like this is his claim. nowhere does it say he is odd night. which means he shld have gotten his results. which means he is probs fakeclaiming. cos he did not bother to explain further when I said he claimed ultimate delayed cop cos he tried to say I was I was confused about the role that he had claimed. when I clearly wasn't.

1. scum blocker role has been lynched.
2. guille most likely did what he said he wld do and jked eddie. which is why eddie has no result.

no how no way does prohawk NOT receive his results in this scenario.

hawk boy hedged on his read of nazarene until the bitter end.

you do the math and then come back to me with a simple yes or no to my question.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie is trying to figure out who she needs to kill tonight. End of story. And if she can lynch me today, that will help her out tremendously because she won't have to worry about choosing between people that could out her.

There is also a zero world chance I am going to trust mollie's ability to protect anyone.

P-EDIT: I only investigate odd night, and get results at the end of the even night. I am not up to investigate anyone again until N5.

P-EDIT2: Keep reading Mollie.

by your own logic I can protect any1 I want if I determine the nk. logic fails cos I am not scum.

and you are only now coming out now with this "odd" delayed ultimate cop result. cos you didn't before until I mentioned it.

not buying it.

[pirate mollie]

Well, I am preferring to scum-hunt the normal way - without roles involved, so don't lynch him until I get through my analysis

you mean like how you have been doing all game?

cos it sucks and I think you are scum because of it.

feel good that I don't think you wld be this shitty as town.

[pirate mollie]

HEY MATH YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION!

[pirate mollie]

I'm going to correct you Naz, feel free to use this as your conf. guilty.

I didn't and couldn't use an action N2 because I used it N1. So no, it really doesn't check out with YOUR insane claim. So either severe shenanigans, or scum. So if you are actually town, I hope you realize how dumb it was to get people (namely me) to claim in the name of SOLVING this game. As you can see... severe shenanigans (as advertised in the freaking TITLE of the game)

Tier, in direct response to you - It's been a combination of not having enough time and spreading myself too thin getting into too many games which doesn't allow me to provide the depth and keeps me superficial.

SO WHAT YOU ARE CLAIMING HERE IS THAT YOU ARE NOT AN ODD NIGHT ULTIMATE DELAYED COP WHO DIDN'T DIE BUT THAT IF YOU USE YOUR ABILITY N1 IT SOMEHOW NEGATES AN ABILITY ON N2 OR N3 FOR THAT MATTER COS YOU HAVEN'T REALLY EXPLAINED WHY YOU DON'T HAVE A RESULT WHEN PRESSURED OR EXPLAIN HOW YOUR ABILITY WORKS IF THIS THING IS ALLOWED TO LIVE I AM GOING TO BLUNT TRAUMA MYSELF AND OTHER PEOPLE IN THE GAME.

[pirate mollie]

Mollie, your desperation is showing.

wat desperation.

the only 1 who is desperate is you. with a stalling fakeclaim.

dgb isn't dumb, and ika won't vote me if he values his body parts.

[pirate mollie]

HEY MATH YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION!

WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH?

1. I don't really care to read him other than answering your obsessive questions about him because unless he's a godfather, he's confirmable.
2. Completely disregarding any role stuff, I had a huge scumread on him.
3. That said, consider that ultimate cop is precisely the sort of thing mastin would include in a game full of roles that fuck up investigations. Furthermore unless mastin provided fakeclaims (which seems unlikely considering Sonic claimed someone else's role) ProHawk would have no way of knowing that there wasn't already a "bypass all modifiers" role in the game.
Also the fact that he didn't try to bend over backwards to explain his role makes me think he's town and didn't think that people wouldn't understand it. aka he probably didn't make it up. It's also pretty consistent and he has a point when he says it'd be easy to just come up with a fake result and that he'd have no real reason to constantly stall today and yesterday. What would he be waiting on? More thinking time than he already had from the night phase? Something from the mod?

ProHawk's claim coming from scum just doesn't make sense.

1. how is he confirmable
2. okay work from there
3. sonic did NOT claim some1 else's role. I pointed this out he claimed insane. and no way no how is prohawk town.

[pirate mollie]

If I investigated scum, they HAVE to kill me tonight. If I investigated anyone else, they can either just kill them, or me, or worry about them being conf-town depending on who said person is and their role.

Only scum need to know who I targeted because it DIRECTLY influences their night action choices tonight. You ma'm are playing the part to a T.

except that dino has proposed that divulge who you are investigating as part of the PLAN. and I am supposed to protect them!

how does that work in your world purview?

[pirate mollie]

HEY MATH YOU STILL HAVE NOT ANSWERED MY QUESTION!

WHY DO YOU CARE SO MUCH?

1. I don't really care to read him other than answering your obsessive questions about him because unless he's a godfather, he's confirmable.
2. Completely disregarding any role stuff, I had a huge scumread on him.
3. That said, consider that ultimate cop is precisely the sort of thing mastin would include in a game full of roles that fuck up investigations. Furthermore unless mastin provided fakeclaims (which seems unlikely considering Sonic claimed someone else's role) ProHawk would have no way of knowing that there wasn't already a "bypass all modifiers" role in the game.
Also the fact that he didn't try to bend over backwards to explain his role makes me think he's town and didn't think that people wouldn't understand it. aka he probably didn't make it up. It's also pretty consistent and he has a point when he says it'd be easy to just come up with a fake result and that he'd have no real reason to constantly stall today and yesterday. What would he be waiting on? More thinking time than he already had from the night phase? Something from the mod?

ProHawk's claim coming from scum just doesn't make sense.

also this ^ doesn't make sense cos out of the roles that are claimed this is the 1 that is truly out there.

dgb, plz. if you don't believe me no hard feelings but I am sure as fuck town right now.

ika you know what to do.

[pirate mollie]

It doesn't because you can't protect anyone.

well if I was scum I cld protect any1 I wanted to!

by not killing them.

your mindset fails from a town POV.

[pirate mollie]

HEY MATH I ASKED PROHAWK WHY HE HAD AN EARLY TOWNREAD ON NAZERENE

[pirate mollie]

HEY MATH I ASKED PROHAWK WHY HE HAD AN EARLY TOWNREAD ON NAZERENE

I also had an early townread on Nazarene. I investigated them expecting to get a town result.

This wasn't an unpopular opinion.

FFS DON'T BORE ME TO TEARS WITH AD POPULUM ARGUMENTS.

IN EVERY ASPECT IN EVERY SCENARIO IN EVERY PLAY PROHAWK FAILS.

WHEN YOU CAN BE ARSED ENOUGH TO DISCUSS THIS I AM HERE.

[pirate mollie]

Meh.

Roles say scum isn't in Fenix. Mafia says scum isn't in {eyestott, DGB}. New lynchpath to victory:

ika

(in the night we both investigate

ProHawk

; assuming he's town)

mollie

(if still alive)

Fenix

(if still unconfirmed)

DGB

eyestott

APPROVED

you are approving a list where I am second to be lynched when you just said you never wavered that I was town.