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You only have, like 3 game's worth of interaction with me.
P-EDIT: All our times have come...
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In post 23, DrippingGoofball wrote:LOL does everyone else have a role that makes the other side auto-lose because it's so crazy overpowered?
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In post 40, Bulbazak wrote:No. I just found it curious. You still didn't question it though. Why not?
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Peeps are mad at Bulb, I think.
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In post 65, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:ika, please claim this role in your next post or I will lynch you myself.
please, please, no.
In post 69, pirate mollie wrote:I feel like voidedmafia and dino things are being incredibly congenial.
I take it you agree, then?
Thoughts on Bulb, while we're on the subject?--wait, dino kinda asked the same thing. Meh, still gonna ask. And ask for thoughts on dino, too.
In post 71, Jackel98 wrote:So, um, hello. I am Jackel, and also completely lost. Am going to claim, though.I am a one-shot miller. So, yeah.
...1-shot Miller. Right.
In post 72, Bulbazak wrote:Is this going to be one of those games?
To be clear, "interesting" was meant to be taken as an agreement with your statement and question.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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Can I see it next time, mastin? Plz?
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In post 92, Nazarene wrote:On the fence. Probably town, because I don't understand why someone who's doing a miller gambit as scum would claim something as outlandish as 1-shot which could get him some backlash.
What makes it better/worse than claiming a full miller?
In post 89, Nazarene wrote:This is because bulba is being pretentious. He has started out every game I played with him like this, so I don't attach any value judgment to that.
Every game you two've played together he calls you scum with someone? I suppose by that point it's an in-joke of sorts, but are you certain that you can't glean anything alignment indicative from that (i.e. differences between Bulbascum and bulbatown, phrasing, etc.)?
In post 96, pirate mollie wrote:I am not sure what to make of voidedmafia not trying to lynch me.
Why would I try to lynch you?
In post 92, Nazarene wrote:On the fence. Probably town, because I don't understand why someone who's doing a miller gambit as scum would claim something as outlandish as 1-shot which could get him some backlash.
What makes it better/worse than claiming a full miller?
In post 89, Nazarene wrote:This is because bulba is being pretentious. He has started out every game I played with him like this, so I don't attach any value judgment to that.
Every game you two've played together he calls you scum with someone? I suppose by that point it's an in-joke of sorts, but are you certain that you can't glean anything alignment indicative from that (i.e. differences between Bulbascum and bulbatown, phrasing, etc.)?
In post 96, pirate mollie wrote:I am not sure what to make of voidedmafia not trying to lynch me.
Why would I try to lynch you? What did you do to me that I would be so gung-ho about that without anything to back it up in this game?
In post 98, pirate mollie wrote:shos <3 you back!
what do you make of naz creatures calling bulba pretentious? I don't feel like bulba has been pretentious in this game and I am usually kind of sensitive to bulba's pretension. I feel like it is like the kind of play that people make against personality players. I don't like it.
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In post 103, Nazarene wrote:Don't kill prohawk either!
Vote: Prohawk
whatcha gonna do?
In post 106, ika wrote:i can give you one:
Meh
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In post 109, shos wrote:@voided: the difference is, well, that a 1s miller needs to actually be copped twice for that to happen. for that, we need multiple cops, or a really insistent(sp?) cop.
(correct spelling)
I guess I'm not quite as trusting of it not because of it being an inherently scummy claim (I can see some reasons why it would be detrimental to scum), but I guess because of it's oddity. Like, I have an initial knee-jerk reaction (in this case, "...wtf?") and then I start thinking about whether or not my initial reaction is in any way correct and now I'm bogged down on the particulars and can't quite get back to that initial point.
TL;DR: For now, it's really just a thing that's happened to me.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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I'm sorry, who appointed your Mr. Lazy?
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In post 120, Nazarene wrote:The fact that a 1-shot modifier is unheard of for a miller and I know a lot of scum who wouldn't dare to claim such a role, because of the feared 'lol that ain't a real role quicklynch this shit'.But it does sound like something I'd fakeclaim *shrug*
It does sound like a possible fakeclaim, but I think I'm starting to lean toward it being on the riskier side for scum.
Not quite sure Ibuy it, but it's probably more town than scum.
In post 120, Nazarene wrote:What I did notice, especially in bulba's last scumgame, is that he tends to get completely caught up in his heated argument with someone and not do anything else. This sometimes is with the same person he attacks early in the game. So I'm not letting him get away with that.
Plausible, but Eddiefenix has a point. I can also very quickly point to my Large Normal Void Mountain of the Nightless Temple where Bulb spent a good portion of Day...3 or 4, I believe, arguing with DGB and trying to argue his way through her claims via logic. Unless you have insight on particular parts I think this is null for Bulba.
In post 129, DrippingGoofball wrote:EddieFenix is still alive?
Why should we lynch him now? He's not PL material.Last edited by mastin2 on Fri Nov 07, 2014 11:41 am, edited 1 time in total.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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Mastin, I think it looks great, but I don't think you really need to do that every VC. I just wanted to see what it looked like.
In post 125, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:Hmm. I hate to try to second-guess what roles there might be but it looks like shos is trying to get himself killed here. He's literally made 10 fluffposts out of 14 total, voted Naz without reason, setup specced the number of cops, hinted at a policy lynch after saying he believes the claim, and is willfully ignoring the material we have this game. Oh and 123 was terrible.
I feel like scum-shos is better than this. Literally every post he's made this page is scummy in some way. I don't buy it.
What kind of wincon is he playing towards, then? Seems a bit more likely that Shos is trying to do as little as possible to survive as long as possible.
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In post 142, ProHawk wrote:Been busy, will catchup tomorrow.
I will try not to tunnel on Voided. Still doing the quote on quote walls
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In post 138, pirate mollie wrote:am I not voting voting voided mafia?
I thought I was.
VOTE: voided mafia
...I'm sorry, I'm confused.
What are you talking about?
In post 139, BBmolla wrote:VOTE: DGB
My role PM says she's confirmed scum
Is this game bastard or...?
...Town? (Am I reading you right, now?)
In post 150, ika wrote:hey obligatiry page top
so the dicussion i have seen so far:
"one-shot miller"
"is shos gambiting"
"cops"
am i missing anything? i overloaded on games so im prioratizing them so i can get to them all
anyone want to give me anything i have missed/questions?
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In post 154, Bulbazak wrote:What part of hilariously unbalanced and possibly (meaning probably) bastard don't you get?
Sure, but does Mastin even like Millers?
A.) Why the vote? Or rather, why did you vote me?
B.) Maybe once or twice before I took a break. I'm not an extensive user of meta in the first place (note: not to be misconstrued as never using meta, just that I don't use meta as my primary scum/townhunting means), so are you suggesting that I'm going about this wrong?
In post 162, DrippingGoofball wrote:Sequence of events.
EddieFenix votes the towniest player of the game, aka Bulbazak.
I punish EddieFenixscum by voting for him.
EddieFenix's buddy, BBmolla, is upset that I caught his buddy so quickly, and votes me.
BBmolla admits that this "may be" the case indeed.
@mastin2can you fluff up my post, it's a little bit thin, LOL. <3
Pretty plausible. I can buy this.
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In post 170, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:On a sidenote, not sure I like Voided's blind acceptance of DGB's scenario.
Dino, I said I could buy that sequence of events. I didn't say I believed it was true or "blindly accepted it". Are you going to suggest next that I'm trying to push the lynch without voting it myself?
Really, I'd need a bit from Fenix before I could go for accepting it or not.
In post 171, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 170, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:@BBMolla: Did you get the DGB information in your initial role PM? Or was it in a later PM?
I was going to answer your questions, but when I read the above I realized that the obstetrician must have dropped you on the head at birth, LOL. You can't possibly believe that Molla has actual information in his role PM declaring another player to be scum. Another role name, maybe, that would be extraordinarily rare. But another player by name?
Lyncher?
In post 180, ProHawk wrote:Do share. Can't give basic reads if I don't have them. So there is that.
Not even any "this guy feels iffy" reads?
Also, Mollie's post about the pretentiousness (ISO...4, I think?). Hell, her vote on me would arguably count, at least it'd count if she'dexplain it already.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 189, Jackel98 wrote:Well, I see I survived. Really should be making more content myself, but I am liking most of the posting currently. I still think Shos should post content if they are going to post at all, and Prohawk just feels... off? Like saying that mollie hasn't produced much content. Might just be ignorance, but worth looking into.
Also, BBmolla, the DGB thing was a joke, right?
My gods, look at how little there is here.
In post 192, pirate mollie wrote:what does any1 think of the chances that jackal just pointed to his scum team in this post?
"Hey, guys, I think I made it out of the woods! Let's start workin'!"
Something like that, ya?
Vote: Jackel
Jackel98 wrote:Yes, I am totally choosing to scumread only my scumteam like a newbie after claiming a stupid role.
Nah, I don't think you're trying to bus your team. I just think you're trying to test the waters and attempting to touch base with your scumpartners because you think it's relatively safe to now.
I wouldn't be surprised if you had one of your teammates stuck in there, but yeah
Mollie, quit asking for scumteams before we have a flip. That's bad and you should feel bad.
Also, you never explained what you were voting me for.
In post 200, mastin2 wrote:Mastin: such an epic mod, she can accidentally bump herself onto the next page.
Nyah nyah!
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In post 209, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 206, EddieFenix wrote:1.) Sore could imply that I have it out for DGB for a particular reason. Which I don't.
2.) Nope. I want DGB dead because DGB. However, I'll be spending my time mauling over others first. Bigger fish. Yada-yada-yada.
Must I point out the contradictions here, or are they obvious enough?
No, it's obvious enough. But it's not scummy.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 207, shos wrote:Well shit.ika is town. Nobody make L-1 votes as long as he is alive.
I see no indication that Ika's town at this point. What gives?2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 220, pirate mollie wrote:pick up
Mollie why are you ignoring me now? You were interested earlier, what happened?
In post 221, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:@Voided, Mollie, Boom: Ehhh, jackel is correct that it'd be a pretty unlikely move to claim miller, play badly, and then only mention the scumteam. 189 is something I could vote for but 198 puts things in perspective a bit. A move like that just doesn't seem reasonable yet, and I'm not up for PLing him.
Well, I'd be lynching him for being scum fakeclaiming miller, but okay.
And as I said re: 198, it's not so much him turning around to bus his team but rather trying to reach them and start working on what to do next now that he's not in the hotseat for his claim anymore.
DGB, I don't understand that vote at all.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 234, pirate mollie wrote:DON"T MAKE ME LAUGH
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In post 236, pirate mollie wrote:voided lets dance.
B-B-But I never learned how? I-I mean...are you gonna lead, or?
The only game I really remember playing with you was a...Double Day Unlimited, I think, where we had a pages-long argument with each other that I think ended up being entirely about playstyle. Unless I'm completely misremembering. Point is, It's been well over a year since we last played together, and I'm not really seeing the relevance from then to now unless you think I plan on intentionally picking another fight. Which I don't.
...Please tell me you don't think I will.
I'm being congenial because I'm trying to emulate Mastin a lil. obviously I'm not even close to being a Mastin-lite like AngryPigeon, but yknow, gootta start somewhere, right?
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I'm trying to talk to you (also not trying to get into a page argument again). Isn't that what I'm supposed to do?
I mean, if you don't want me to talk to you, then fine, I won't.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 253, Nazarene wrote:What I want to say about shos is that he always posts fluff early game, at least as town, as scum maybe a bit less, but still. So I didn't take that as alignment-indicative. Fluffing early game is generally not done too much by scum. At least it isn't a scumtell that works and I think you ought to know that.
Fluffing can be done just as easily by scum as it can by town regardless of the game state, simply due to the personalities of the players doing the fluffing.
Also, simple fluff is one thing, but fluff to the point of ignoring content from others and excluding yourself from the content-making process is something else entirely. The laziness in post 119 is what initially got me suspicious, but the continued non-content solidified my vote.
And then Jackel posted something scummier, hence the switch to him, but Shos is still scummy to me.
In post 253, Nazarene wrote:Hey look! another opportunist vote!
Look, if you're going to rail on me because my votes come after 2-3 others, find another line to push me for because this is utter shit. If this is an incorrect summary of your reason(s), then explain.
In post 257, shos wrote:Townread me. It is that easy. Look, I am not ENTIRELY useless, and am actually quite useful, even when I am practically VLA(uni shit is choking me) so just hold your horses until I am up to speed. Meanwhile, love me
I'm not a man who can just love at the drop of a hat. You gotta show me that I should love you.
Luckily for you, I'm also patient and can wait until Uni isn't beating you up for your lunch money.
In post 266, shos wrote:disagree; while I see how this can be true, Jackal's claim may have gotten him policy lynched, and its oddness is so great that it literally draws all attention to him. therefore, I am 100% convinced he is town.
I'd like to believe that, but I still get the feeling that 189 was supposed to be a step away from the claim and he botched it.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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Actually, hold on, Shos. you vote Jackal in 252 yet say you're 100% convinced he's town later in the same page. What changed?
In post 269, DrippingGoofball wrote:LOL because he agreed with me.
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In post 273, DrippingGoofball wrote:Not sure if VoidedMafia is town.
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In post 276, shos wrote:VM, since you're online, can you please elaborate on what you'd consider "ok" fluff and what is "scummy" fluff?
"ok" fluff is the kind of fluff that doesn't overly detract from your post or posts over the course of the game. It's where you can get away with a page or so of a side, non-game-relevant conversation (that's not about other ongoing MS games!) with another player because everyone in the game knows that you're still providing content that's usable and relatively decent toward your endgame goal.
"Bad" fluff is pretty much when you don't have that leniency. You focus too much on side conversations or small snippets of nothing that you don't actuallydoanything. Even worse is when you do that andthenstart complaining that there isn't nothing to work with when you are asked to start contributing. This is something that is pretty much entirely decided by the enter playerlist except yourself, even if you agree with the conclusion, as is the "good" fluff.
To make this more relevant to this game, I'm not trying to be hypocritical because I know I still can lean into the bad fluff territory (I imagine there might be some of you in this game that are thinking of me as such, or at least starting to). The thing is, though, that regardless of the gamestate--early game, late game, slow-paced, fast-paced, or what have you--requests/demands for more content arenever evergood things. Granted, I think I just talked myself into believing you're town because I just realized that it's definitely not a good plan for scum to do that, but it still sets me on edge when any player whines about how there's nothing useful going on, demands that there be more content, yet has either not given anything worthwhile on their own to justify it or do not attempt to give something within the same post(s) that they request that info. IMO it speaks very poorly of you.
Mollie, that's terrible and you know it.
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Is this just a contrarian vote, or?2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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Not that it should overly affect my read, just expect me to feel a little...strained whenever I respond to a post of yours with multiple spelling errors.
Also, "stly"? (re: Bulb)
As for jackel, the majority case was that his 189 was seemingly talking about his scumteam and trying to bus them, which I agree is horrendously stupid for scum who's just gotten himself away from the suspicion from the claim. My problem was more that it was projected outtohis team instead ofaboutit, like he's trying to communicate base strategy while scum (presumably) doesn't have daychat.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 289, DrippingGoofball wrote:Do you feel that I called you scum?
Little bit, yeah. If only because I can't understand how you're going from one place to another.
In post 298, ProHawk wrote:In other news, Ika said he can "solve" you. How does that make you feel?
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In post 307, DrippingGoofball wrote:Not feeling shoswagon.
But there's no explanation for his contradictory opinions on Jackel! Why shouldn't I be voting him in my next post?
In post 317, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:Voided, your general logic surrounding shos and jackel suck, tbh. The whole 'stepping away from claim and signalling partners' just doesn't seem like a sensible scenario.
Okay, I guess I can understand your distaste re: Jackel (though I still have a nagging feeling that it'ssomekind of hidden communication; that might just be me, though), but not Shos. I agreed with some of what you said about him back on page 6 on my own (the fluffposting, his willful ignorance of the gamestate), and others I understand after looking back/remembering (cop spec, the no-reason vote on Naz). And for recent suspicious I believe the contradictory statements he's made about Jackel are at worst something worth looking into and at best a genuine scum slip-up in opinion. The main reason why I'm not voting yet is because I can see the argument that Shos has a genuine reason to flip from voting to believing Jackel's 100% town, but hasn't yet had the time to properly explain it because of uni work.
And before you say anything, I'm aware that he explained why he thought Jackel was 100% town. What I want to know is the process that got him there because there's pretty much 0 posts of his between his vote on Jackel and calling Jackel town.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 322, Nazarene wrote:Yeah, no. I've stated that I've found both jackal and shos votes to be awful and you've done both. On top of that, they're just a jump on a wagon. But that's not the main reason I'm voting you, that'd be the former coupled with your seemingly useful game start that really had nothing relevant in it.
Spoiler: Mastin-esque rant/explantion about myself that's too long to be unspoilered but important enough that I'm not deleting all of this
Can you try to explain to me why Shos votes suck? (this also goes to Saurus, too; I'm not quite sure what I'm supposed to read in 252 that's town unless you're referring to his tone)
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If there's anything you really think I should talk about that I'm not (or if you want to be a helpful soul and give me points to talk about on my own), please do so. I probably won't get to them tonight but I should have time tomorrow.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 332, pirate mollie wrote:and the comment about stealing your account came across as bitchy and by all means I don't want to discourage the self-awareness process you have going on there I am just blown away by the maturity of it. what brought this on?
This isn't something new, as far as expressing these points about myself goes; I had already mentioned the core problems with my play in some form or another back in the post-game of both Shadows and Lights and Marketplace Mafia III (incidentally both the last complete scum and towngames I've played, respectively, I think. Prior to leaving, anyways, since Lurker Mafia was a more recent towngame), and my perceived failures as a mod in Big Brother: Head of Household Mafia were what eventually pushed me to leave the site temporarily.
If you mean me actuallyarticulating in-indepthabout my problems and the attempts as of now to try and correct them, that post kinda started with me wanting to explain why I'm not an early-game person and just got a lot more words in there than I think I originally meant to have, and any sort of inhibitions I had about expressing anything about myself (which is a habit I tend to do regularly when talking about myself) were temporarily washed away by the needs of the topic at hand (which in turn seems to be the only way to temporarily break those inhibitions).
...Can't really try to put it any way other than that. Or at least I can't think of a better way.
In post 331, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:Voided, I think this should explain your misgivings about shos and his jackel issues.
Huh. Completely missed that post somehow. Must've just skimmed it or something.
Okay, I can see Shos as town now, thanks.
In post 337, Bulbazak wrote:Voided's pursuit of Shos based on his contradictory stance of Jackel feels off. Voided is essentially beating a dead horse on an issue that simple experience should tell him does not designate a scum slip. Shos is an easy wagon, and if town, would be the best mislynch to push through to limit information. Voided's push on Shos is for a BS reason and lacks the conviction I'd expect to see from town tunneling for a dumb reason. Simply put, Voided-scum doesn't want to get rid of such a tasty mislynch opportunity. There's also his treatment of Sonic, who he says "gives him bad feelings as well", although he's reluctant to really go further there. The language there is weak and only serves to open up an opportunity to jump on the Sonic wagon later, either to push that mislynch or to bus, which I think is most likely, given how Sonic would be a better no information lynch anyway and Voided is steering clear of it in favor of Shos.
You're right, Shos's statements are not indicative of a true scum slip. My problem lay less in the obvious disconnect of initially calling him scum then saying he's town, but the lack of any sort of noticeable and reasonable leap in logic to justify it. It's not like DGB's ridiculous leaps where you at least know he's gotsomethingto them but just won't say what. Also, not sure how I was talking about a dead horse topic when I was one of the ones who initially pointed it out.
As for Sonic...well, other than saying that there's just not really any substance behind anything they've said, I don't know what else to tell you. I just don't like them so far.
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In post 353, guille2015 wrote:Ok, I'm here.
I have been following along a bit.
Shos is scum along with Sonic Boom and Ika (cause anybody that makes colorful list has to be scum, amiright!!)
Vote Shos
Peace
Welp, this post sucks. And not just because it's an out-of-the-blue "X is scum" with no real reason behind that I'd probably have immediately voted/suspected for before.
In post 355, guille2015 wrote:but I'm right about Sonic boom and Ika right?
As Saurus said, so what? (you're wrong on ika, though).
In post 359, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:So because nothing makes you think he's town, he must be scum?
Whaaa?
Also Sonic and ika? Your ika read sounds like you're in friggin RVS.
Edit: Not an explanation.
Saurus, quit making posts that I must parrot because of their truthiness!
Also, guile, I'd say uni stuff is a bit more time-intensive than most things (other than a job or project you're working on, maybe). That's not really agoodreason in the first place because that only works if the lack of participation is because there is a measure of non-want there. Or, in a possibly better-worded situation, it only works if the player in question is using their "little time to play" excuse as a reason to not play, rather than as an explanation for why they're doing what little they have been.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 362, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:You'd think Voided would've stopped buddying me after being called out on it, lol.
Hey, I agree with what I think is right, not necessarily what furthers my goal and/or my alignment's wincon. It (maybe?) helps that you just articulated my thoughts as I read guile's posts in a way that is better explained than how I would've.
In post 363, guille2015 wrote:Oh I know what it is to be busy. And I know how it is to be scum and busy vs being Town and busy. The latter is much easier. I don't understand the last part. If I understand correctly it depends on the motivation sensed in the posts? Hmmm. I'll consider it.
You are correct, it does depend on motivation.
Here's some extra motivation!
Vote: Guille
In post 364, guille2015 wrote:Does he do that as scum too? Cause if he doesn't then he is a terrible player.
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In post 368, pirate mollie wrote:In post 367, DrippingGoofball wrote:A lot of his posts are about himself, which nag me as a kind of avoidance.
^ I agree with this. I am telling you he had srs playstyle issues with me and I don't see that changing after a break.
do you wanna lynch him?
And now that you say that you don't see it changing you're potentially forever blinding yourself to any time Idotry to reconcile my play with your play so that we can have a positive experience because you're too afraid that I'm just going to brush you off again so instead of risking that it'll happen again (and I won't say that it will never happen because circumstances might just align so that at a later point I'm too angry or otherwise unhappy at non-game issues to properly address how you play in a positive, salient manner) you're just going to pre-emptively say "Nope, never gonna work, not gonna try" which serves...nobody.
Yes, I can see it quite clearly. I do that far too often than I should, and that's almost theexact samerationalizations I use IRL. Be better than me.
Also, DGB, I extended an open question to everyone in the game to start dialogue with me. Instead of essentially complaining about my self-centered posting so far you could've instead tried to get me to post about other things in the game. But, even if this can be construed as trying to appease you, here's a couple questions for you in particular:
1.) What about EddieFenix right now makes you feel like he's the right person to vote? His lack of presence?
2.) Re-explain to me why you think Nazarene is town.
3.) When you asked if I felt like you were calling me scum when you said I wasn't feeling town, why didn't you follow up on my response? Did you not mean to follow up?
4.) Ignoring the current spat of me-posts (from the big rant onwards), what is your read on me? Or, I suppose, how did my recent bunch of posts about myself change your read on me before I started doing that?
5.) What are your thoughts on guille now that he's made some posts (this goes for Mollie, too)?
6.) What are your reads on Ika, Sonic Boom, and Saurus and why? (also goes for Mollie! And probly bulb, too. Really goes for everyone other than those mentioned, but yknow.)2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 367, DrippingGoofball wrote:A lot of his posts are about himself, which nag me as a kind of avoidance.
Here's another one I just thought of: Why did you think I was attempting to avoid discussion when (from my PoV) one of the main points of the rant was to give you all a better way to interact with me and for me to interact with you and the game?2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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ARRGH, DGB, WHY MUST YOU DO THAT?!
1.) Alright, thanks for the update.
2.) What about his retreat was credible, though?
3.) I don't really see my answer as guarded. I'm honestly sometimes confused by the way you make logical leaps when you make them, often because you don't explain them as you make them. In this case, I didn't (and still really don't) get the not-town conclusion, and interpreted it (seemingly correctly) as you putting me in the leaning scum/scum category.
4.) This may be a question better asked by someone who's not me, but how have I been making you feel uneasy?
5.) What about guille is town? His suspicions of Shos read to me as superficial interpretations and it just seems to be a "hey, here's something to keep you all busy with" said in a non-town way. As for the last part, I meant that I wanted Mollie to give her read/comments as well, since both of you hadn't yet commented on guile's entrance.
6.) I think I may have to take people's word on Bulb, though I may just be biasing against him because he's suspecting me. I can accept that about Saurus, and I agree with your reads on Boom and Ika; Sonic because that's the same vibe I feel and Ika because that does seem to be a good summation of her posts so far.
Bulb: Can you sum up Binding of Isaac as it relates to Ika for me?
I don't think I've really played with Metal Sonic very much, and how people glean townreads off of him is something that's currently very foreign to me, so could you help explain what I'm supposed to be seeing that isn't there?
Fair enough on Saurus.
Prohawk, isn't playing to your townmeta generally agoodthing? (not that I'm disallowing the thought of very good scum acting as their town selves, but what gives you the notion that it's somehow scum impersonation than genuine?)2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 376, Bulbazak wrote:He argued with Kuribo. I thought he was town. He was scum.
Isn't Kuribo one of those players who's a tightly controlled ball of rage, IIRC? Wouldn't arguing with him be almost inherently null without looking into how the arguing is being used?
In post 376, Bulbazak wrote:He's normally a lot more active and involved as town. I expect a town Sonic to be in everybody's business and to have reached out to me early.
I see. Thank you.
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In post 383, Sonic Boom wrote:i need to reread this thread. bulbazak and voided walls are tough to read in a glance.
If you considering this walling, well, this isnothinglike what I used to do that gave me that reputation. Any of this.
And the absolute worst bit of walling was spoilered as Mollie mentioned.
As for your attempted complaint about Bulb, don't make excuses for not reading crap.
In post 387, Bulbazak wrote:Ika drew the full ire of Kuribo in that game. That's not something you purposely do as scum. I mistakingly townread him for it.
Has anybody else noticed that Jackel disappeared? I checked into his activity, and he seems to be giving this game the least amount of attention.
Okay, I can see why that would make you feel wary now.
It hasn't been something I actively thought about, although I did mentally note his lack of presence (not that that means much <_<).
In post 389, EddieFenix wrote:IF you have any questions that are actually legit, please lay them out and I'd be happy to answer them.
Questions 4, 5 and 6 from the post you just quoted, for three.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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Not sure if that's scummy, Bulb. Sounds like me, really.
I feel iffy about istott's catchup pace. At least, it feels like he's going slower than I think he can actually go.2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 421, Bulbazak wrote:Except that reaction tests and statements like that occur all the time. Town either ignores them or jokes around with them. What they don't do is lash out at the person who made the statement. That is a complete overreaction. For an example of a good reaction, check out Istott. He was caught off guard and reacted naturally, ergo town. Ika, on the other hand, completely freaked out. He's not new to this, and for someone that's gone toe to toe with Kuribo, this is not a town reaction.
I see your point, but at the same time I can very easily see this being an overly-snarky response to what is seen as a stupid reaction test. I might just be putting too much of myself in that post, though.
In post 421, Bulbazak wrote:You're not wrong. Vote him with me.
Yes, Bulbazak.
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In post 444, Bulbazak wrote:Don't you mean "Yes, master..."?
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In post 445, DrippingGoofball wrote:OH, we're having a Sonic Boom wagon? Sure!
VOTE: Sonic Boom
After I get NK'd because I'm the only one correctly suspecting EddieFenix, don't forget to lynch him.
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In post 453, Bulbazak wrote:In post 451, EddieFenix wrote:In post 450, Bulbazak wrote:But there has to be something driving your gut. I want to know what it is. What is coming across as town?
The Titus head. Sonic's head not so much.
The Titus head has barely spoken. Show me what you see as town.
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In post 459, ProHawk wrote:You all will regret disbanding the Shos wagon.
Just as you're regretting the lack of pushing it right now?2011 scummies winner (BTS help) and participant;
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In post 461, ProHawk wrote:I am prophesying Voided. Quiet.
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In post 463, Metal Sonic wrote:OMG all of the scum are on my wagon!!!
No, not really. Really only guile so far. DGB and Ika may be if only by virtue of not beingmytownreads, so yeah.
In post 468, Metal Sonic wrote:I was planning to coast and reveal on day 2 and 3 but thanks (dumb town on my wagon) now I'm MORE USELESS
Plans to coast for a few days, somehow expects to get by freely, is surprised when he's called out on it, tries to claim cop to get out, is again surprised when some people don't believe him.
Yeahno.
In post 473, Metal Sonic wrote:Cop claims allow me to ignore everything
No they don't.
In post 474, Metal Sonic wrote:I find it very interesting that you are trying to L-1 a claimed cop though, because cop claims grant amnesty to all "subjective scummy" actions.
Pants on head, or have I miscalculated the scum on my wagon?
nnnno they don't. Especially when your claim isn't proven.
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