Mini 1622: (Hilariously) Unbalanced Mafia [-Over-]

[EddieFenix]

/confirm

[EddieFenix]

Vote Bulbazak

Might as well have my fun early

[EddieFenix]

@Fenix: ^Why this vote?

@Mod: Can I have a funny dinosaur joke?

Because Bulba and I know one another IRL and we hydra together on here, so I like to mess with him when I get the chance .

[EddieFenix]

This is because bulba is being pretentious. He has started out every game I played with him like this, so I don't attach any value judgment to that.

Every game you two've played together he calls you scum with someone? I suppose by that point it's an in-joke of sorts, but are you certain that you can't glean anything alignment indicative from that (i.e. differences between Bulbascum and bulbatown, phrasing, etc.)?

No, he does this to someone, iirc I have never been the target of it.

What I did notice, especially in bulba's last scumgame, is that he tends to get completely caught up in his heated argument with someone and not do anything else. This sometimes is with the same person he attacks early in the game. So I'm not letting him get away with that.

But yeah, I've only played once with townbulba.

Shos, please wait uuntil day 2 to lynch us, for old times's sake. Also, stop avoiding my question.

VOTE: shos
Counterwagon ahoy
-Tier

Town Bulba also gets caught up in heated arguments, depending on how scummy the person is and will "logic them to death".

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Hey Eddie, the vote is nice and all, but do you have any opinion on anything else happening in the game?

I've got my eye on things. Mauling things over in my head while also re-reading

[EddieFenix]

Are you upset that I caught your buddy EddieFenix?

Remind me that this doesn't get to an endgame scenario

[EddieFenix]

Why so sore, Eddie?

Believe sore is the wrong word here. How goes for you though? Any big fish you're looking to fry yet?

[EddieFenix]

Why so sore, Eddie?

Believe sore is the wrong word here.

How so? Do you want to lynch DGB for any other reason than it being DGB?

How goes for you though? Any big fish you're looking to fry yet?

I'm still sorting. There are several individuals that feel off, but I'm not sure if it's a scum off yet. I'm hoping to have more by the end of the day.

@Ika: Can we have some sort of key to understand your list?

1.) Sore could imply that I have it out for DGB for a particular reason. Which I don't.
2.) Nope. I want DGB dead because DGB. However, I'll be spending my time mauling over others first. Bigger fish. Yada-yada-yada.

[EddieFenix]

You'll have to pardon my absence, this week is a big week for me as far as college goes. I'll dive in more so on thursday, when my work load is very much NOT making me want to carve my name into a wall somewhere.

<<< Well, I can't exactly punish you for something I'm guilty of myself... >>>

[EddieFenix]

1.) What about EddieFenix right now makes you feel like he's the right person to vote? His lack of presence?

Lack of presence that that shameful Bulbazak vote.

2.) Re-explain to me why you think Nazarene is town.

He voted shos, then backed off in a credible way. I like this.

3.) When you asked if I felt like you were calling me scum when you said I wasn't feeling town, why didn't you follow up on my response? Did you not mean to follow up?

I was hoping you'd answer something less guarded, but at the same time I kept that guarded-ness in the back of my mind as ever so slightly scummy.

4.) Ignoring the current spat of me-posts (from the big rant onwards), what is your read on me? Or, I suppose, how did my recent bunch of posts about myself change your read on me before I started doing that?

You make me uneasy.

5.) What are your thoughts on guille now that he's made some posts (this goes for Mollie, too)?

mollie = slight town, and I like guille for town, too.

6.) What are your reads on Ika, Sonic Boom, and Saurus and why? (also goes for Mollie! And probly bulb, too. Really goes for everyone other than those mentioned, but yknow.)

Bulb is so town he should be doc-protected. I am ignoring saurus' reads because this type of reasoning doesn't appeal to me, but prob town. Sonic Boom could be scum, I don't see a lot of townthink in his posts. Ika is giving reads, which is good, but not truly interacting with the game, which is less good.

Scum is in EddieFenix, SonicBoom, VoidedMafia, Ika.

The Bulbazak vote is my RVS vote because Bulba is a friend of mine irl and I almost ALWAYS vote him first when we're in a non-hydra'd game together. As you can see, my vote hasn't moved either.

My lack of presence here is due to college being a total C and I have to make sure that I get my grades up this semester. IF you have any questions that are actually legit, please lay them out and I'd be happy to answer them.

Personally, not a fan of Guille's entry in the game. Taking the 3 biggest targets and throwing that up as a "scum list" just gives me bad vibes.

Nor am I a fan of Sonic Boom's excuse of the Bulba and Voided Walls. Because when I iso'd Bulba, I saw MAYBE 1 post that would be "wall" worthy and that's because multiple quotes. Voidedmafia has a few blocks of texts in their posts, but nothing exactly "wall"-y imo (when I think walls, I think something that takes up half the damn page).

Hey Bulb: where's that razor sharp edge? Normally, you have a few strong reads by now. And that worries me... Especially after your iso.

[EddieFenix]

IF you have any questions that are actually legit, please lay them out and I'd be happy to answer them.

Questions 4, 5 and 6 from the post you just quoted, for three.

4.) Town.
5.) Null/Mafia. His opening post left a bad taste in my mouth.
6.) Dino-man = Town
Sonic and Ika I'll iso just to make sure I didn't miss anything here in a bit and get back to you.

[EddieFenix]

IF you have any questions that are actually legit, please lay them out and I'd be happy to answer them.

Questions 4, 5 and 6 from the post you just quoted, for three.

4.) Town.
5.) Null/Mafia. His opening post left a bad taste in my mouth.
6.) Dino-man = Town
Sonic and Ika I'll iso just to make sure I didn't miss anything here in a bit and get back to you.

Just to make good on my promise

Ika - Null (chewing the fat and thinking. Cause nothing springs out as to fall on either side of the spectrum imo)
Sonic Boom - Town/Null (purely gut on this one)

[EddieFenix]

OH, we're having a Sonic Boom wagon? Sure!

VOTE: Sonic Boom

After I get NK'd because I'm the only one correctly suspecting EddieFenix, don't forget to lynch him.

...This is laughable. Like, BEYOND laughable.

[EddieFenix]

Sonic Boom - Town/Null (purely gut on this one)

How exactly do you get a Sonic-town read?

Purely going on my gut on this one.

[EddieFenix]

But there has to be something driving your gut. I want to know what it is. What is coming across as town?

The Titus head. Sonic's head not so much.

[EddieFenix]

But there has to be something driving your gut. I want to know what it is. What is coming across as town?

The Titus head. Sonic's head not so much.

The Titus head has barely spoken. Show me what you see as town.

Three shot friendly neighbor was the most obvious bullshit claimever that town let pass and lynched me when I outed the entire scumteam.

First it was FN.
Roleblocked FN.
Targeted the dead guy.
3 shot suddenly. Targeted buddy.
Mislynch town.
ML my hydra.

Ika hammers everything and its brother as town. He also always tunnels my ass.

Sonic talk to me before voting. I hate the jackal vote. Skype me.

Unvote

UNVOTE: SHOS

OK, you are off the hook for now. These last three post are completely different from your earlier posts. If you keep it up, I won't consider you scum anymore.

Place masking tape on the left side of the screen and ISO yourself. You'll see what I mean.

So, what are your thoughts on Ika and Void?

Five bucks says shos changed a read or two.

Guille's posting is very opportunistic. I have been catching up in my games on site. Hydra games are at the bottom because someone else can post.

Between Sonic and Titus, Sonic's posts have been incredibly bad. I tend to at least try to judge a hydra based on BOTH players, and not just one. I notice that sonic hasn't been holding up jack squat as far as their hydra goes. However, when reading Titus posts, I don't know why exactly, but there's something about them...

[EddieFenix]

Nevermind on that, Sonic is scum.

Unvote
Vote Sonic Boom

That cop claim is bullocks to the HIGHEST extent.

[EddieFenix]

I feel like metal is lying.

and I am not sure what to do with dgb's single focus on eddie w/o a "DIE SCUM DIE!!!" post and her readily believing that metal is telling the truth in the first place when metal is known for gambiting.

but what I find really strange is that istott picked up on metal being a "cop" and then metal claims cop and then says he didn't crumb.

like am I the only 1 who finds that whole exchange weird?

not getting this, again,
An IC is not unlynchable;
why did you not crumb?
where is it stated that it was bullshit?
and again, why is it bullshit? your opinion is precisely the same as every other guy.

If I crumb then it defeats the whole purpose of playing dumb on purpose to NOT get NKed genius

eh...no it's not

because a crumb should be something that only you know about until you talk about it. like crumbing, say, "Can I get a doublevote, mod?" "Oopsie doopsie!" "Pshhhh bla bla" and then say 'look at the first letters of these three first posts in game'; then, you can play goofy as much as you want.

Nevermind on that, Sonic is scum.

Unvote
Vote Sonic Boom

That cop claim is bullocks to the HIGHEST extent.

SCUM DETECTED

if sonic is town cop, then, YES.

Did ProHawk just vote me the moment it would no longer be perceived as an OMGUS?

Are you kidding me?

If I was the first scummy one that stuck out, you've made absolutely 0 indication of that. You also have no reasons that I'm scummy other than saying it's pretty reasonable to assume that there's probably a cop and that Sonic's telling the truth if he's not CC'd.

Sonic, in your role PM, what does it say exactly as far as your cop ability goes? DGB can keep the "DIE SCUM DIE!!" tunnel with me up, I'm going to ignore the player because they are derp-tastically wrong. I was giving Sonic Boom the benefit of the doubt since it was a hydra. I was reading the Titus head as the town head because they were calm, cool, and collected in their few postings. Now sonic has jumped off the deep end and taken my null read for him and fully put it in the read. So I need Sonic to answer the question asap. I do not agree with Prohawk's line of logic of

Hi guys, the name of this game is Hilariously.... HILARIOUSLY... UNBALANCED Mafia. Anyone trying to use balance to solve this game is scum.

So, here we go with THIS now.

[EddieFenix]

Sonic, in your role PM, what does it say exactly as far as your cop ability goes?

This is a bad question, and I don't see how Sonic could answer without breaking the rules. You should ask him to paraphrase.

Bulba, I'm assuming that Sonic is smart enough to phrase their response and not break the rules/quote their role pm. Just get as detailed as possible

[EddieFenix]

Sonic, in your role PM, what does it say exactly as far as your cop ability goes?

This is a bad question, and I don't see how Sonic could answer without breaking the rules. You should ask him to paraphrase.

Bulba, I'm assuming that Sonic is smart enough to phrase their response and not break the rules/quote their role pm. Just get as detailed as possible

Umm it's the standard(?) cop role pm lol with a bit of mastin flavor

I am going to try


Every night, I can target a player and learn their alignment. Then

Blablabla instinct and intuition and your weapon is your vote and Win when all scum are dead

Stuff we already know

Unvote

I've got my eye on you, Sonic. Don't think I won't investigate further down the line if you start to smell fishy to me.

[EddieFenix]

@Bulba, you know DGB's derp tunneling, right?
@DGB Try harder, pls. K thanks.

[EddieFenix]

I just had an epiphany. Why the hell would mastin put a completely normal cop in this game?
She wouldn't.

Can you be so sure of that? Can you be so sure that there's only 1 cop in the game as well?

[EddieFenix]

@ika Tails never fails

[EddieFenix]

I've got my eye on you, Sonic. Don't think I won't investigate further down the line if you start to smell fishy to me.

What the hell is this? Does he not smell fishy to you now?

This is me telling Sonic I'm watching him.

[EddieFenix]

I'm MIA when I answered Naz on this very page, Voided?

[EddieFenix]

Hey Bulb, why the vote on Guille?

[EddieFenix]

I will check in at some point BEFORE lynch tomorrow and have a decision made by then

[EddieFenix]

Vote Sonic Boom

Scum.

[EddieFenix]

@Bulba, need that wagon on Sonic Boom rolling up. Scum don't need logic to keep themselves out of the fire. They just need a plea of sorts. I'll work with Guille. But, Sonic Booms gotta go.

[EddieFenix]

THERE'S the town Bulba I know. Had me worried. Also, why is Sonic NOT dead yet? They're scum. Lynch it up, peeps.

[EddieFenix]

Town

Bulba
Me
Our Jailkeeper (name escapes me right now)

Null
ika
DGB

Scum
Sonic

Working on my project for college. Gonna dive back into that cause I've been at it for about 8+ hours now and I need to go back because I keep getting ideas and remembering things. You give me colors my good man XD

[EddieFenix]

eddie what is wrong with u

Literally half the players are missing from his "reads" list.

What's wrong with Eddie is that he got a scum role PM.

This player gets figured out by day 3

[EddieFenix]

Town

Bulba
Me
Our Jailkeeper (name escapes me right now)

Null
ika
DGB

Scum
Sonic

Working on my project for college. Gonna dive back into that cause I've been at it for about 8+ hours now and I need to go back because I keep getting ideas and remembering things. You give me colors my good man XD

1. Nazarene (TierShift+Aegor) (town)
2. Sonic Boom (Metal Sonic+Titus) (scummerz)
3. Bulbazak (town)
4. EddieFenix (town)
5. ProHawk (null)
6. ika (null/scum)
7. Mathdino (null/scum)
8. guille2015 (town. willing to believe the jk claim til someone cc's)
9. pirate mollie (towm)
10. istott (town)
11. DrippingGoofball (null)

And there. Baring there aren't 4 scum in my mental math. Subject to change as I see fit, js.

[EddieFenix]

Vote Sanic people. Leggo

[EddieFenix]

Also, no one is doing anything at the moment,

I blame the holiday tbh.

<<< Indeed.
Also, lax prodding rules to compensate for said holiday probably don't do much to foster activity, either, but I'd feel like a real monster for prodding a player over the holiday weekend.

*coughVOIDEDcough*

>>>

[EddieFenix]

@Naz-Tier head, Sonic's claim of cop is probably half right. I'm willing to peg him down as a mafia role cop to give his "cop" claim some minor justification because I don't see 3 cops running around in the town. I'm going to CONTINUE to tunnel Sonic til it's lynched because I smell blood and I'm a dog with a bone when push comes to shove.

[EddieFenix]

VOTE: eddie

I have been most helpful to the town so far

I even posted a giant helpful post

See mollie that was a wonderful waste of my time

Trying to get sympathy from the town by going, "LOOKIE WHAT I DID EVERYBODY!!! LOOKIE LOOKIE LOOKIE!!!" Lynch. This. NOW!

[EddieFenix]

Now to wait on Mastin for the flip.

[EddieFenix]

Guile, who did you keep? via PoE, this can make things much easier.

[EddieFenix]

Target Fenix tonight. If no one dies, we have our last scum.

Causes I think he is scum.

I targeted Eddie N1.

Why do you think I am scum?

Allow me to do EVERYTHING but put LIGHTS around that sentence from guille before your post to show how little you're paying attention. Ika's town and shouldn't even be on your list of scums AT ALL.

Vote Mathdino

[EddieFenix]

I believe Nazarene or Sonic likely sent in the kill N1. Given your level of suspicion, it wouldn't be a good idea for scum to have you send the kill.

ika is 3rd last on my list of scum, lol.

Here's the thing. With 1 scum left, roleblocking them should mean no one dies that night. With 3 scum, anyone could've done it.

I done fucked up on my own part, my apologies. Long semester of college does that. Guille, you said you jail kept me on n1, yes?

unvote

[EddieFenix]

I also need to go back to that Two-Face avatar since I change on a flip of the coin.

[EddieFenix]

From your collective perspectives, within the next 2 days you'll have 1 scum bagged. If Naz is lynched today, it's 6v1 and if me and then Naz, it's 4v1.

Is there any drawback to a massroleclaim at this point (after Nazarene shows up ofc)? I propose the following order:

1. Nazarene
2. Mathdino
3. Fenix
4. ProHawk
5. DGB
6. ika
7. mollie

Might be able to deduce the last scum just from night actions.

I'm going to object. I'm not one for mass claiming right now. I need to see something first.

[EddieFenix]

@ nazerene

I wld think that guille wld use his role as a protective rather than a block given the knowledge he had at the time. he wasn't protecting ika, he was BLOCKING ika who is pretty town. smells like scum to me.

Uh, Who would you have protected yesterday if you were a JK, pray tell?

Without knowing who is town. And who in town has a PR that I don't want to block I cannot use my power as a Doc. I would have doctored some of my town reads including Bulba, but I don't want to block them. So, the best choice is to aim for scum and hope that they are performing the kill. I know that EF and Ika did not perform kills N1 and N2 respectively. I know something else but I have to wait until everyone massclaim.

So in short,

I was and am using my power as a roleblocker

until I get more information so that I can better direct my Help. And yes, Ika, I thought was scum yesterday. His claim today will help me reevaluate that, if it needs reevaluating.

I am in favor of a Massclaim today.

Vote Guille

This jail keeper/role blocker claim is shenanigans.

[EddieFenix]

You said you targeted me night 1. HAD you actually targeted me night 1, as you said, I wouldn't have been able to find out that Sonic was scum

[EddieFenix]

I think I won't be claiming anytime soon. You said you were using your role as a role blocker. We have a problem if that's the case because my n1 action wouldn't have ever went thru if you were role blocking me. As for Dino's result, depends on their claim.

[EddieFenix]

^ just so we're clear, I have HORRIBLE memory. Gunsmith... Hmmmm.....

[EddieFenix]

^ Key words there being "at some point". If I die, I won't have to worry about it. Until then, mums the word

[EddieFenix]

Can someone please explain the thing that's going on between guille and EF?

Guiles a liar on his claim to have kept me.

Guille claims to have jailkept eddie, while eddie claims to have got a guilty on sonic that night? right?

Correct.

Eddie, why did you only vote for guille as soon as he stated he jailkept you to block you, instead of right after when he claimed that, because you knew it was a lie?

I wanted clear cut clarification from guille himself that his claim for his n1 action was that he "jailkept" me. Because my brain decided to finally catch up in the logic department after having its attention dedicated to finishing up a college paper and a project that I've poured 40hrs into so far. Mid project it caught that little problem with his claim since my night 1 action wouldn't have went thru HAD he actually kept me as stated, due to how jailkeepers work and his wording of "i've been using my power to roleblock people".

If I'm getting it right, either of them is lying. But I'm thinking I'm missing something now because if that were the case everyone would be all over that now, right...

*shrug* different targets for different blokes tbh

-Tier

Answers in red

[EddieFenix]

What are the chances that mafia have a roleblocker and blocked guille?

Not sure because I don't know peoples roles or what the power roles for mafia are tbh. However, given that my track record has always been to dance with people to figure them out, guille has become my targeted partner for the day.

[EddieFenix]

not really, im not investigative but i do know my role impacts investigation

ill leave it at that for now

wld your role allow you to know if you were jked?

and to add to this question, how does your role impact investigation?

[EddieFenix]

not really, im not investigative but i do know my role impacts investigation

ill leave it at that for now

wld your role allow you to know if you were jked?

and to add to this question, how does your role impact investigation?

This is a shit question, ika's not fullclaiming until everyone else does.

This actually is relevant. So allow for the PLAYER to answer and don't answer for them.

[EddieFenix]

we don't want town to claim before mafia because it just gives mafia more info.

[EddieFenix]

I don't see anyone but you who's dead set on night actions tbh. The problem being is why do I HAVE to target you to confirm

your power?

My power could get re-directed just as much as yours could when you think about it.

[EddieFenix]

I don't think a redirect works on some1 who is jked.

Which is why I'm wondering what happened with guille or if what he said about targeting me night one is true at all. Because I don't fully believe there's a re-director in the mix.

[EddieFenix]

@mollie

What about DGB is giving you the jeebee heebees?

[EddieFenix]

Also, because I believe that town still may have some saving role-grace aside from me, I motion to stop said mass claim and kill the people calling for it.

Dino thinks I'm giving up my role and I'm not.

[EddieFenix]

Also, because I believe that town still may have some saving role-grace aside from me, I motion to stop said mass claim and kill the people calling for it.

Dino thinks I'm giving up my role and I'm not.

Do you have any useful results? If not, I can understand, but if so, would recommend giving them. The role isn't really the most important part of this, it's the night actions and discoveries.

Useful result was night 1 and we lynched that the next day.

[EddieFenix]

I'm not claiming because I'm not trying to get RB'd or have my role get dicked with if I can prevent it (tl;dr, i'm fuckin stubborn). Also, WHY in gods name would I lie about finding out Sonic Boom was scum night 1? There's nothing in my role that says I am strong willed. So, why don't we lynch the JK claim, I can dig for info on the person I have in mind for night 3 (IF I don't die that is), and then we go from there?

[EddieFenix]

im also getting board with the gamestate so im going to resort to ika mode where the first person that goes to l-1 i just hammer just to give the gaem some spice and momentum and maybe back into the game

That's bad town play tbh. Cause that could cause mislynches if we run up the wrong person.

[EddieFenix]

It's Guille today for me so I'm not moving my ass.

[EddieFenix]

You got your guilty night 2, correct Dino? Just double checking.

[EddieFenix]

Going to take some time today to sift thru some ISO's with campus over. Bulba's ISO is going to be the first thing I dive into to take a look into things.

[EddieFenix]

Vote for Public showing of both roles

[EddieFenix]

Oh really, Ika? Do tell who I checked . Night 1 was OBVIOUS.

[EddieFenix]

Fenix is REALLY good at planning things out and never tipping his hand... Bulba and I just know each other so well that we can find one another out thru our interactions in thread

[EddieFenix]

Also, WHY are we voting Naz when Guille is the person that needs lynching today?! Like, 4srs

[EddieFenix]

That's the problem that I have right now because as it stands, I don't trust guilles claim of JK since he said he picked me night 1 and I STILL found Sonic Scum.

[EddieFenix]

If I flip Town (Which I am), would that guarantee that Eddie is scum?

No. And that's horrible logic tbh.

[EddieFenix]

I'm gonna take a firm stance and say there's no re-direct in this game. The "outside influence" from Voided's thing could definitely be accounted from Sonic's Lawyer role

[EddieFenix]

unvote

vote Dino

Gonna trust what I read from Bulba's iso. He's my partner when we hydra together and I'm willing to trust him from the grave.

[EddieFenix]

Right, because if its me its between guille and Fenix.

~logic~

You assume it to BE only between the 2 of us. There are a wide realm of possibilities that could be.

[EddieFenix]

Good to see you're gonna catch up, Naz. Time to hear you out.

[EddieFenix]

Ika came back town on Day 2. Dino came back with no result night 3. Now.... There's a lot of questions to be asked here, and I'm not sure where to start....

[EddieFenix]

Alright Ika, claim time. The hell does your power EXACTLY do? Since you said it dicks with scans.

[EddieFenix]

I was cop. Had to keep that one underwraps to keep the mafia out of seeing things

[EddieFenix]

I'd be down for the sequel game in a large theme.