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In post 59, Voidedmafia wrote:In post 56, Nazarene wrote:Nullest shade of null.
And this is because...?
Vote: Nazarene
This is because bulba is being pretentious. He has started out every game I played with him like this, so I don't attach any value judgment to that.
In post 72, Bulbazak wrote:In post 44, TierShift wrote:Why do you suspect me?
For trying too hard and then getting defensive when called out.
See, you wanted to tell me anyway!
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Hey wassup
You surely have got an opinion on jackel's claim, haven't you?-
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I was gonna say our dino then realised someone else had said it and changed to thesaurus
But yeah so what do you think of that creature
In post 98, pirate mollie wrote:
what do you make of naz creatures calling bulba pretentious? I don't feel like bulba has been pretentious in this game and I am usually kind of sensitive to bulba's pretension. I feel like it is like the kind of play that people make against personality players. I don't like it.
With pretentious I mean the overly strong reads early game. Which he always does.
Don't kill prohawk either!
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In post 107, Voidedmafia wrote:In post 92, Nazarene wrote:On the fence. Probably town, because I don't understand why someone who's doing a miller gambit as scum would claim something as outlandish as 1-shot which could get him some backlash.
What makes it better/worse than claiming a full miller?
The fact that a 1-shot modifier is unheard of for a miller and I know a lot of scum who wouldn't dare to claim such a role, because of the feared 'lol that ain't a real role quicklynch this shit'.
But it does sound like something I'd fakeclaim *shrug*
In post 89, Nazarene wrote:This is because bulba is being pretentious. He has started out every game I played with him like this, so I don't attach any value judgment to that.
Every game you two've played together he calls you scum with someone? I suppose by that point it's an in-joke of sorts, but are you certain that you can't glean anything alignment indicative from that (i.e. differences between Bulbascum and bulbatown, phrasing, etc.)?
No, he does this to someone, iirc I have never been the target of it.
What I did notice, especially in bulba's last scumgame, is that he tends to get completely caught up in his heated argument with someone and not do anything else. This sometimes is with the same person he attacks early in the game. So I'm not letting him get away with that.
But yeah, I've only played once with townbulba.
Shos, please wait uuntil day 2 to lynch us, for old times's sake. Also, stop avoiding my question.
VOTE: shos
Counterwagon ahoy
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@Mod: voided voted shos
<<< This is what I get for making VCs on a different computer. In my notepad on my normal computer, I noted the change. On the different computer, in my mind I had still made the change even though thanks to being on that computer I obviously didn't, thus the error. It has now been fixed. >>>
VOTE: voidedmafia
Have you ever played with shos before?
In post 158, Metal Sonic wrote:Oh, that cracked me up, sorry, haha
I think 1 shot miller is bullshit and probably scum
Why? What do you think of my own thoughts on the subject?
Also why the f do you get to post from your own account?
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In post 143, Doyouthinkhesaurus wrote:@BBMolla: Are you being serious?
If you are, let's not focus on that today and leave DGB to any investigative roles. I'd have a hard time believing there's a 1-shot miller without a cop.
Just read the thread.
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In post 165, DrippingGoofball wrote:All of his posts from the beginning? A complete lack of scumtells? Being forward and pro-active?
What do you consider scumtells for bulba?
In post 167, Voidedmafia wrote:
A.) Why the vote? Or rather, why did you vote me?
B.) Maybe once or twice before I took a break. I'm not an extensive user of meta in the first place (note: not to be misconstrued as never using meta, just that I don't use meta as my primary scum/townhunting means), so are you suggesting that I'm going about this wrong?
I voted you because your vote looked extremely opportunistic.
What I want to say about shos is that he always posts fluff early game, at least as town, as scum maybe a bit less, but still. So I didn't take that as alignment-indicative. Fluffing early game is generally not done too much by scum. At least it isn't a scumtell that works and I think you ought to know that.
why is sonic boom scum?
In post 197, Sonic Boom wrote:jackal shos prohawk
why shos?
Hey look! another opportunist vote!
In post 207, shos wrote:Well shit.ika is town. Nobody make L-1 votes as long as he is alive.
why is he?
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I think the votes on jackel are disproportionate to how scummy he is. He's been fencesitting a little and hasn't really said a lot, but that's it. All 3 current votes are shit. Can someone voting him explain why they think he is so scummy?
Prohawk, are you gonna be all dense day 1 again?
Shos, how is bulba playing to his scum meta?
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Reasons? Is this related to their most recent spat or because he is not trying to get you lynched, which...I do not even know what to do with that reasoning.
@Nazarene: Because in a bastard game, 1-shot miller is basically VT and doesn't affect the game at all. That seems pretty dumb to add a modifier like that to a VT is all.
Why? The game is bastard. The point is to mess with expectations; the only way to avoid problems is to avoid expectations.
Currently townreading Doyouthinkhesaurus and Bulbazak. Scumreading some peeps but need to confer with my other head before we make a serious case.
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In post 257, shos wrote:Meanwhile, love me
OK
In post 266, shos wrote:[disagree; while I see how this can be true, Jackal's claim may have gotten him policy lynched, and its oddness is so great that it literally draws all attention to him. therefore, I am 100% convinced he is town.
This is the part where I should ask you why you voted him but then I realised
You are shos
And town, hi.
In post 271, Voidedmafia wrote:[
In post 253, Nazarene wrote:Hey look! another opportunist vote!
Look, if you're going to rail on me because my votes come after 2-3 others, find another line to push me for because this is utter shit. If this is an incorrect summary of your reason(s), then explain.
Yeah, no. I've stated that I've found both jackal and shos votes to be awful and you've done both. On top of that, they're just a jump on a wagon. But that's not the main reason I'm voting you, that'd be the former coupled with your seemingly useful game start that really had nothing relevant in it.
I suppose I'll have to do this with all of your reads. Why?
In post 294, ProHawk wrote:I'm getting strange vibes from shos, like not town-vibes. Also, up until his vote, the general vote pool has been spread thin. No-real-wagons. Could be trying to start something.
Meeeeeeehhhhhhh
In post 300, Bulbazak wrote:[
In post 294, ProHawk wrote:I'm getting strange vibes from shos, like not town-vibes.
I'm actually starting to get the opposite.
Did you maybe, once, draw town?
In post 306, Sonic Boom wrote:In post 305, Metal Sonic wrote:In post 294, ProHawk wrote:I'm getting strange vibes from shos, like not town-vibes. Also, up until his vote, the general vote pool has been spread thin. No-real-wagons. Could be trying to start something.
this is legit
VOTE: shos
VOTE: shos
No this is not legit. Explain your vote.
Is titus in there already?
In post 313, Sonic Boom wrote:In post 311, Bulbazak wrote:Because Sonic and Titus make themselves known a lot more when they're town, and they're kinda coasting in this game.
I was vla hosting a meet.
Riiight, but you can play now!
AEGOR QT NAOOOO
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I forgot about that game.
You were town in See minus minus too.
But still you draw scum too often when I play with you.
This makes me think. You have never given me vibes like you're doing here. This is the first time I've not seen you pick fights and I'm reading that as town, but I don't know if I should.-
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In post 446, EddieFenix wrote:
Ika - Null (chewing the fat and thinking. Cause nothing springs out as to fall on either side of the spectrum imo)
Sonic Boom - Town/Null (purely gut on this one)
Explain in more detail both of these. Also explain how gut compels you to read the heads differently.
@guille:Do you mind explaining your reads on ika and SonicBoom, given that you clearly have way more conviction than almost anyone else? The SB one is obvious given recent posts, but I would like to know your basis when you entered the game.
@Bulb:Do you actually believe the claim? What reasons do you have for voting EF given that posts 448 ff. seem to suggest an associative tell between them; or should I take the vote as an accusation that EF is whiteknighting the SB slot? I am a bit confused about your thought process.
I am really not sure whether the cop claim is enough to ignore OMGUS nonsense, whatever this is, and this. Having played with MS, I have experienced slews of random posts, but the most recent ones are just scummy.
VOTE: SonicBoom
My other head is more apprehensive because of the claim, but I am simply not buying it.
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In post 572, pirate mollie wrote:okay. so there isn't a cc to sonic boom so whatever.
We prolly won't have one today anyway so
I like voided wagon still
VOTE: voided
I'm telling aegor that although voting sonic is very understandable it's a dumb thing to do right now
Prohawk, let's talk a bit. Why exactly do you feel this is not townshos but instead scumshos imitating his town meta? Subquestions: how familiar are you with shos's meta? and How much variation is there usually in his towngame? and Have you seen.hm manipulate his meta before?
Also, what do you think of the current dino wagon?
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In post 580, Nazarene wrote:Prohawk, let's talk a bit. Why exactly do you feel this is not townshos but instead scumshos imitating his town meta? Subquestions: how familiar are you with shos's meta? and How much variation is there usually in his towngame? and Have you seen.hm manipulate his meta before?
Also, what do you think of the current dino wagon?
PROHAWK LOOK
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In post 544, EddieFenix wrote:I've got my eye on you, Sonic. Don't think I won't investigate further down the line if you start to smell fishy to me.
What the hell is this? Does he not smell fishy to you now?
Bulba, are you serious? While Dino's case was hardly damning, pointing out fluff (a claim that you have labeled as vague, which it is clearly not) constitutes a case in itself. Even though you think the case is crap, how can you honestly maintain that Dino is attempting to start what you have called a difficult wagon at the end of Day 1? That makes no sense, and this Head fails to see how you can believe his ISO as a whole is scum-motivated.
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This Head is very disappointed with this deadline wagon. This Head hates all deadline wagons.
This Head is even more disappointed that obv-scum SB is not being lynched because he claimed a PR, which is setting a precedent that makes it easy for scum to get through Day 1 intact.
Nevertheless, the Heads want a lynch, but this Head at least will be on before deadline, so the Heads currently have no interest in changing our vote.
Vote voided.
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In post 784, Bulbazak wrote:You know, if Mollie, DGB, and others think that they need a flip and are starting to worry about my alignment, they could always just lynch me.
Stop this nonsense. Also stop trying to start deadline wagons; it is counterproductive and pissing this Head off when we already have like three or four claims on the table.
In post 792, Bulbazak wrote:
I think this game is close to being solved via PoE. I currently have it narrowed down to the group of {Mollie, DGB, Shos, Ika, Dino, Voided}.Dino is definitely scum, and I'm leaning town on Mollie and Voided. DGB has thrown me off with her atypical behavior. Shos and Ika are good places to look going forward. Everyone else should not be touched.
Bulb, that read is whack. How can you possibly construe scum motivation from Dino's ISO?
This Head can never read DGB and generally want her lynched just because, but until SB is dead, there is no point.
mollie is very solidly town.
UNVOTE:
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In post 839, Bulbazak wrote:Did you not read my response to your other head, or are you two just not communicating?
I have read all your responses. We have been communicating, but not yet today, so it seems I have final vote authority.
Regardless, your reasons are not answers to my questions. I asked what scum motivation you found; you explained your case by pointing out that his posts were not well-reasoned. Incompetence is not the same thing as scumminess.
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In post 843, Bulbazak wrote:I pointed out that he's not looking for scum motivation or intent and that his posts are created to look good, rather than scumhunt.
I am having major problems reconciling the idea that scum-Dino is manipulative enough to lead the charge against someone via a case, no matter how bad, but not self-aware enough to have sensible posting.
Again, I fail to see why my reading of town-with-good-intent-and-bad-execution is less plausible than your scumread.
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In post 844, Voidedmafia wrote:In post 842, Nazarene wrote:828 is fundamentally correct and at the worst we net a scum in SB, who should have been lynched anyway.
Again, are you aware that this game may have multiple cops?
Possible =/= likely. I would be more than willing to bet my Head and my other Head that if you flip cop, SB will flip scum. The point is that I am 60-40 against believing your claim and 100-0 against believing SB's. The fact that multiple cops may exist is irrelevant if I happen not to believe the claims in the first place. And my other Head is pretty sure you are scum. I would rather have SB's head in the noose. Especially given that we replaced a claimed cop with a claimed cop.
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In post 846, Bulbazak wrote:I love how Aegor yelled at me for thinking about a policy lynch and then proceeds to pl Voided at deadline.
PL? What are you talking about? TS has been voting Void for a pretty long time because of a scumread. This Head is simply unwilling to unvote.
P-edit: Yes, because scum obviously can't make or fake cases.
You are better than this.
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In post 849, Bulbazak wrote:Aegor, what makes you seriously think that scum can't present a case on someone? I'm curious. Do you think all scum players just sit on their hands and hope something happens? Because you seem to be presenting all scum as drooling morons instead of players who have to try to manipulate the town into lynching each other. How did you think that happened? The magical mafia fairy?
This Headis presenting all scum as drooling morons? You are the one asserting that something attributable to incompetence is due to being scum.
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In post 860, Bulbazak wrote:No, I'm saying that Dino-scum pushed a player for an easy non-reason and that his "case" contained absolutely zero analysis. All it did was look convincing, but upon closer inspection, there was no substance. At no point have I suggested that such a move is incompetent. In fact, it'd be the opposite. You're the one who's saying that Dino is not skilled enough to fake a case.
This Headis suggesting that it is indicative of incompetence. This Head has not reached this conclusion by asserting that Dino is not skilled enough to make a case. This Head has used Dino's ISO as justification for that assertion. You are confusing the chain of reasoning.
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Hi guys
I think it's probably a good idea to lynch sonicboom today. I'm not reading him as town for his claim (hell, it doesn't even match up with voided's cop role, not even talking about his townread copping :/) and he's playing the 'can't lynch me I claimed cop'-card. Which makes no sense.
Do you have anything to back your claim up, sonic?
To do list:
- read bulba's mathdino argument
- form opinion on ika/mollie/EF
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That doesn't answer my question, ika. Why aren't you votng your scumreads?
In post 1006, ika wrote:scums
guile - mostly off pretacetor atm, but im surpirsed guile has yet to say who he targeted with JKing.
Okay I googled pretacetor and literally the only results I got were your posts on MS :/ what do you mean?
hawk - he kinda stated his reason already why others think hes scum. and while i agree, i got this odd feeling that i cant shake, hes more of a gut call
Come on, go further...
titus slot - this one is more biassed if anything mostly b/c i scum read titus every time but she has not been on skype or anywhere else, plus a policy on titus slots are always good
Titus ain't even playing.
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In post 1033, Bulbazak wrote:Because this day has just started. There's a lot that still needs to be taken care of.
Hardly. The only acceptable outcome to this day is a SonicBoom lynch; I fail to see why the inevitable should be postponed. The only result is that I had to slog through inane walls (you) and typo-rife rants (ika).
@ika:Get a hold on yourself. Are you seriously calling guille scum based on setup spec in an unbalanced game?
@Eddie:Do you mind filling in your inexplicably missing reads?
Do we have enough potential hammer votes on SB? I need to know who needs convincing.
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U DON'T BELIEVE I CATCHUP NOW GET REKT
In post 660, Mathdino wrote:
Based on our collective targets, it looks like this lynch is gonna be between ProHawk, Fenix, and Voided. Would be cool with lynching either of the first 2. Voided as a whole reads town to me at the moment.
Why did voided look town to you?
In post 662, ProHawk wrote:Naz - I am not really a big meta player, I use it more for gut than anything. That said, off the top of my head I have one scum game and one town game. His town game was super hyper-active and interactive, his scum game was less-so. I don't have a super amount of time or info to delve into manipulation of meta or not, its just what it came across to me as.
So you're saying you only have a vague idea of what both playstyles look like and yet you are pretty sure he is imitating his towngame? How does something come across as meta manipulation in general?
In post 685, DrippingGoofball wrote:I'm here, just moping around, LOL.
you're getting annoying.
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In post 702, shos wrote:The bulba-dino fight looks like TvT to me (fitting smiley! TvT! ) so you guys should cut it out.
why?
In post 712, Mathdino wrote:
2. The below is ProHawk's 605:
Spoiler: 605
I underlined the misreps for you. He came up with a conspiracy theory in which 3 people are asking for a CC, which is simply not true. This is misrepping. Not ONCE did I say that I was calling for a counterclaim today.
do you think prohawk is scum for it?
Blegh I'm going through your ISO and see PbPa yuck
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In post 755, guille2015 wrote:Prohawk
I still don't see it. He has been scum-hunting early. Albeit in one-liners but he was questioning Dino, Shos behavior, He noticed sho's Jackal thing, post 373.
once he gets into the more than 3 sentence posts is that I feel that he is making wrong decisions. Wanting a counterclaim being a scum tell assumes that all town Remember that this is a close setup, are aware of optimal play, and are actually avoiding to ask for a CC. DGB and Dino niether implicitly or explicitly asked for a CC. I might have unintentionally asked for it in my wording, but it honestly wasn't my intention. My intention is clear in my post.
The concept of CC is actually a good concern. I think Scum would not point it out. Especially since said reasoning would not get any of those mentioned Lynched for that.
Then he goes into defense. Which could come from town or Scum.
I still think that Prohawk is town. Mostly from 373 and the CC thing.
Voided
I see no real scum reads the entirety of the day. He posts lots and comments lots but has no commitment. I am concerned for this: Post 216 says Ika is not town. Then in post 360 he says that I am wrong in thinking that ika is scum.
he started to do a bit of hunting when the pressure came but then reverted back to his previous self.
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Motivation behind posts. OK. Reading. Yeah, I see it. Basically a subtle scumhunting keeping to himself his reads and reasons. If that is his town meta, then I can understand it. But consider that this doesn't mean that he is town, but rather that this play is not indicative of him being scum.
unvote ika
More following.
This thing is probably town
In post 769, pirate mollie wrote:In post 760, Voidedmafia wrote:In post 755, guille2015 wrote:I see no real scum reads the entirety of the day. He posts lots and comments lots but has no commitment. I am concerned for this: Post 216 says Ika is not town. Then in post 360 he says that I am wrong in thinking that ika is scum.
not town=/= scum.
Also, re-read my reads again and you'll know I have scum reads: Sonic, you, maybe Fenix, and was-so-at-the-time-but-not-so-much-at-deadline ProHawk.
P-EDIT: You're expecting another wagon to spring up in less than...what, 8 hours? It's possible, but not likely.
Istott, get back on Guille. I honestly don't think we have the time to bring up another wagon that's not already up near being lynched.
jesus christ srsly how this thing still alive?
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In post 783, ProHawk wrote:Let's run someone else up so they can claim watcher or tracker.
Mollie is likely scum, this is the second time she ignored my posts.
idgi, explain-
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In post 809, Bulbazak wrote:Stop rolefishing DGB.
@Mollie: We have 2 on Ika so far. With you, it's 3. ProHawk, Sonic, and Guille will join, making it 6. I think we could get that last vote easily.
In post 812, Bulbazak wrote:In post 810, DrippingGoofball wrote:
Also your "rolefishing" accusations are frivolous. We are one hour from deadline.
And you want to force a claim. I don't think I'm far off if a claim is your primary concern.
This line of reasoning is dumb. You should want a claim from the biggest wagon when you're close to deadline.
In post 870, ProHawk wrote:There is no way this playlist is as dumb as we are playing.
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In post 879, Nazarene wrote:In post 860, Bulbazak wrote:No, I'm saying that Dino-scum pushed a player for an easy non-reason and that his "case" contained absolutely zero analysis. All it did was look convincing, but upon closer inspection, there was no substance. At no point have I suggested that such a move is incompetent. In fact, it'd be the opposite. You're the one who's saying that Dino is not skilled enough to fake a case.
This Headis suggesting that it is indicative of incompetence. This Head has not reached this conclusion by asserting that Dino is not skilled enough to make a case. This Head has used Dino's ISO as justification for that assertion. You are confusing the chain of reasoning.
This discussion will not be productive; we should stop.
I do not even know what you guys are talking about. :/-
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In post 901, Sonic Boom wrote:Mastina you didn't put a sane modifier into my role pm???!! What is the meaning of this??!!
Just kidding I know the exact meaning of this
Copped mollie and got a guilty, so I'm very very likely not sane
I hate this. I can't believe scum is stupid enough to do this.
In post 904, Sonic Boom wrote:Has anybody heard of a scum jailkeeper? I have!
is there anything to your reads this game or are you just gonna coast on your cop claim?
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In post 1032, ika wrote:
In post 1020, Nazarene wrote:That doesn't answer my question, ika. Why aren't you votng your scumreads?
In post 1006, ika wrote:scums
guile - mostly off pretacetor atm, but im surpirsed guile has yet to say who he targeted with JKing.
Okay I googled pretacetor and literally the only results I got were your posts on MS :/ what do you mean?
hawk - he kinda stated his reason already why others think hes scum. and while i agree, i got this odd feeling that i cant shake, hes more of a gut call
Come on, go further...
titus slot - this one is more biassed if anything mostly b/c i scum read titus every time but she has not been on skype or anywhere else, plus a policy on titus slots are always good
Titus ain't even playing.
-Tier
i told you i want shny hammer. i will get to it when i feel like it. something is pining me and i want to see how it unfolds.
its guts, what more do you want? give me something to work.
I want you to tell me exactly what about prohawk you find scummy. What posts trigger a gutscum reaction?
In post 1037, ika wrote:you really think im trying to avoid it?
you seriously think that?
seriously?
here let me answer you then on the verybegining:
Let's start with how lazy they are, how you repeatedly try to stay hands off while lamenting that you can't engage with anyone (or dowright refusing to engage)
tbh nobody has engadde me in the manner that works with me. most o the day was circular arguments about thing that dont intrest me. you should know that i like to look at obsure angles of things and the oddities, yesterday i did reach out to you but you seems to have disregarded it, if you like i can even quote myself where i did but you seemed to ahve not done so
approach me with a theory of something. not some attack. i just reply in kind.
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that you have no real townreads on anyone (and your actual townreads can be PL'd at a moment's notice),
everyone is PL material, no matter what. you go a problem with it, thats all on your falut
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and how your Sonic Boom read is BS, since it revolves around how you always scumread Titus, even though Titus hasn't been posting in this game.
she has a few though but as of late been afk. you seem to be missing the fact also i do keep tabs on her via her sister. if i needed to get tius for some cirtical emargency i can contact her sister.
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It all seems rather contrived to me.
you want to know why? i will give you a hint: maybe its b/c i see a lot more then you think.
maybe its bc eddie is soft CC sonic right now
maybe its bc prohawk could be some PR that i dont want to be outing for the world to knwo
maybe its bc the more someon says "i want to die" the less likely its gonna happen
maybe its b/c im running a shitty ass fucking slayers gambit.
i work on a diffrent plane where i need someone to give me an idea, a conspericy theroy almost. thats how i work.
ika seems genuine
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In post 1050, Bulbazak wrote:Eddie, give me a reads list while you're here.
In post 1051, EddieFenix wrote:Town
Bulba
Me
Our Jailkeeper (name escapes me right now)
Null
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DGB
Scum
Sonic
Working on my project for college. Gonna dive back into that cause I've been at it for about 8+ hours now and I need to go back because I keep getting ideas and remembering things. You give me colors my good man XD
ok, so...
Eddie isn't doing shit and hops on the most likely lynch
bulb asks for a readslist
eddie immediately gives a naked readslist.
yeah....
In post 1068, EddieFenix wrote:In post 1062, DrippingGoofball wrote:In post 1052, Sonic Boom wrote:eddie what is wrong with u
Literally half the players are missing from his "reads" list.
What's wrong with Eddie is that he got a scum role PM.
This player gets figured out by day 3
What do you mean? Why don't you want to figure her out now?
In post 1079, Sonic Boom wrote:
Nazarene - He would be in my townreads, but he is voting me currently. Why would he vote an obvtown claimed cop?
lol
In post 1095, DrippingGoofball wrote:This Sonic Boom wagon is rubbish.
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