Mini 413 - Famous CATS - Over! Quit pussyfooting around!

Glork · Post Post #825 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:29 am

Pooky, your "plan" is moot because I don't believe that there is a Mafia Roleblocker. Whether you have a replacement ability or not is irrelevant. I'm leaning towards you not having one, anyway, for the exact reason that you haven't killed a more useful player yet (unless there is some benefit for the scums to be gained by stealing Massive's ability -- which, I suppose, is possible).

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #826 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:31 am

ZNai, I know the English language.
===============

Please explain what is hypothetical in "

Glork being scum has NOTHING to do with game balance

."

Please explain how the "being" is hypothetical.

Please explain that is hypothetical in "

you want to lynch Glork, knowing he's scum

."

Please explain how the "knowing" is hypothetical.

If you try, you're going to trip over your own showlaces.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #827 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:34 am

Then let's lynch Nai and let me prove myself. He's an endgame liability anyway and this way I'd have a chance to prove my role.

unvote

vote Nai

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #828 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:36 am

I officially challenge Glork to put the lynching vote on Nai

No1 else do it! I want to see if this scumbag is willing to put his beliefs about this game on the line.

I'm sure you and I agree that one of us must be scum and we both agree that if the town lynches wrong here they lose since Nai is going to liability us in the next day, let's get rid of the liability and prove my ability.

Since you don't think I even have such an ability, what do you have to lose here?

Nai · Post Post #829 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:38 am

EBWODP: Damnit, Pooky, stop posting just before I post.

You're doing another logical fallacy. You just keep jumping them from one to another. This one's known as the 'false dichotomy', which means you show the existance of two choices and try to make the town think those are the only two choices, when there's really plenty out there.

It's not only "he thinks you're a replacement scumbag" or "he thinks your a scumbag without replacement." You could be an independent. There's room for another one in here. You could be an SK. You could be any number of things. I'm damn sure you aren't town, though.

What you're doing is the same thing as DGB is doing to me. You're twisting words to your own means and hoping you can convince the town you're still town. Unfortunately, it seems that out of 9 of us, three of us think you are scum, two others ARE scum, and the other three are lurking.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #830 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:39 am

PookyTheMagicalBear wrote:even though his role is a thread confirmed cop

ZWhat does that mean?

Oh, Pookyluv, are we ever going to sail down the misty river in Guilin?

Nai · Post Post #831 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:42 am

Damnit! Not again.

Look, Glork's belief's don't require him to lynch me. Let me run through this for you, scum.

We lynch you. If you come up scum, I get to vig DGB, and we're hunky dory. You come up town, I get to vig Glork, we're hunky dory. In other words, as long as I'm still alive,the town has a chance.

If I'm lynched, like you want me to be, scum wins. You just outlined the entire plan not a few posts ago.

Why on earth would Glork lynch me?

DGB wrote:Please explain what is hypothetical in "Glork being scum has NOTHING to do with game balance."

Please explain how the "being" is hypothetical.

Please explain that is hypothetical in "you want to lynch Glork, knowing he's scum."

Please explain how the "knowing" is hypothetical.

If you try, you're going to trip over your own showlaces.

... Are you really that ignorant?

It's the hypothetical statement of YOUR plan. In your assumed role as a townie, you "Know Glork is scum, so you want to lynch him." I suppose reversing it makes it easier to understand, yes? However, you aren't a townie, you ARE scum, you're trying to point Glork to be scum, you're failing, so now you're trying to twist my words to make me look like scum. Die, scum.

Nai · Post Post #832 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:44 am

By the way, for those of you just tuning in, Pooky, a player with a guilty result on his head by way of our cop Glork, has challenged Glork into killing me, a townie, to prove Glork is town.

Glork · Post Post #833 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:48 am

Pooky, I am going to follow no testing plan to test you. Whether or not you have a replacement ability, I know that you are scum. I also know that Nai, Miztef, and Skruffs will eventually vote for you.

I already have the lynch that I want. Your desperate ploy to "test" your ability will likely either end in a scum victory, or you'll fall back on some other ridiculous happening, like claiming to have been roleblocked. It's just a last-ditch attempt to convince anybody to lynch anybody but you (or DGB).

Also, even if you *were* pro-town and you *do* have a replacement ability, as Nai said, you would also inheret his low lynch threshold. Your plan fails simply because, in the way you have proposed it, you would just be quicklynched tomorrow instead of Nai.

Nai · Post Post #834 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:50 am

Oh, completely forgot about where my vote was. I'm fine with a Pooky lynch for the day.

Unvote, Vote: Pooky

Glork · Post Post #835 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:51 am

MOD: Can we have a vote count, please?

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #836 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 4:56 am

Nai - you are tripping over your own shoelaces. Thanks for the entertainment. Now for mroe serious issues.

Nai wrote:Why on earth would Glork lynch me?

Zee it from our point of view.

You just TWICE declared a player to be scum. This normally means that you are scum with that player, yes?

OK. The player you have declared to be scum, TWICE, is Glork. I think you're scumbuddies, but here's for the sake of the unconvinced:

(1) IF Nai is scum, and Glork is town, Glork will think, quite rightly, that Nai is out to frame him. Glork will be VERY HAPPY to lynch Nai. In fact, that is a good possibility, since the Freudian slips are so bloody obvious, especially framed within a discourse that is unquestioningly supportive of Glork.

(2) IF Nai is scum, and Glork is scum, Glork might (a) want to dispose of a careless scumbuddy who is overly prone to Freudian slips or (b) want to dispose of a compromised scumbuddy to clear himself. Yet, he might hesistate to bus his buddy, and continue bulldozing with his plan to crucify Pooky and win it for the scum, having all 3, and quite possibly 4, alive tomorrow.

(3) IF Nai is town, and Glork is town, well, that's almost completely impossible, because why would he show that Glork is guilty with Freudian slips, yet defend him? So I am just listing the possibility.

(4) IF Nai is town, and Glork is scum, then he could have a guilty result on Glork, but he's defending Glork, so that's out.

(1) and (2) are possible, (3) and (4) aren't, so that means that Nai can only be scum. There is no other possibility.

Nai · Post Post #837 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:00 am

Or, it may just simply be that you, DrippingGoofBall, are purposefully twisting my words for your own means, that you are scum, and both glork and me are town. That IS the other possibility.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #838 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:01 am

Nai wrote:By the way, for those of you just tuning in, Pooky, a player with a guilty result on his head by way of our cop Glork, has challenged Glork into killing me, a townie, to prove Glork is town.

Z'and for the rest of you just tuning in, Nai has TWICE Freudian slipped that Glork is scum:

Nai wrote:
Glork being scum
has NOTHING to do with game balance.

Nai wrote:...you want to lynch
Glork, knowing he's scum
.

If that's not lynchworthy, I don't know what is.

Who will be brave enough to put Nai to sleep? He's a bad kitty.

DrippingGoofball · Post Post #839 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:02 am

Nai wrote:DrippingGoofBall, are purposefully twisting my words

Zweetheart, your words need no twisting, they are flailing in the wind for all to see. You're not going to fool anybody. Your guilt is certain. As is your association with Glork.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #840 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:02 am

why would i inherit his restrictions? I can do what other cats can do, why the hell would that turn me into a criminal fugitive who's in trouble from the law?

Nai · Post Post #841 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:05 am

Wait, are you claiming a replacer that JUST gets the abilities, and no restrictions? Yeah, scum. That absolutely amazes me.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #842 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:05 am

a false dichotomy? what the !@#$

i either HAVE A REPLACEMENT ABILITY OR I DONT HAVE A REPLACEMENT ABILITY THATS WHAT I SAID.

Nai · Post Post #843 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:07 am

EBWODP: You already said that town would be able to lynch you tomorrow if you were scum. Well, if you kill two town, leaving seven alive tomorrow with three scum, that'd mean that all four town would have to quickly lynch you. Or, the truth if you're a real replacer, is that you'd have all my restrictions, meaning you'd be useless tonight, and quicklynched tomorrow.

Yes, you heard me right. If you replace me, if I die, you won't be able to use ANY of my abilities tonight.

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #844 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:07 am

My flavor is that because I can do anything, I can replace anyone and use the same abilities as they would be able to use.

There's a huge bloody difference between active night abilities and passive day liabilities and I honestly don't see why Dalton the bloody wonder cat would suddenly be in trouble with the law just because he started doing what you do.

Nai · Post Post #845 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:10 am

No, probably not. However, you WOULD be in trouble with the other cats if you started throwing them against the wall to get information, or if you started running cats out of town. So, flavorfully, you WOULD get my restrictions.

Glork · Post Post #846 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:12 am

Oh, I also want to hear from Primate.

In fact...

Mod, can we get prods on Primate, Theo, and Miztef?

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #847 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:13 am

So tell me Nai, if you were actually protown and you actually thought I was scum.

WHY WOULD YOU TELL ME THAT?

specifically why would you tell me

Nai wrote: Yes, you heard me right. If you replace me, if I die, you won't be able to use ANY of my abilities tonight.

Surely if you think I don't know this then you have no reason to tell me since such a surprise would absolutely ruin my supposed plans to defeat the town?

I'll reiterate this again, if protown Nai thought that I was anti town replacer moving to get him killed in order to jack his abilities and win the game he would NEVER TELL ME THAT I COULDNT USE HIS ABILITIES. Such a development would absolutely DEVASTATE the scum.

So tell me Nai, why DID you say something like this?

PookyTheMagicalBear · Post Post #848 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:14 am

Nai wrote:No, probably not. However, you WOULD be in trouble with the other cats if you started throwing them against the wall to get information, or if you started running cats out of town. So, flavorfully, you WOULD get my restrictions.

But according to you I can't even do that....

Try being consistent please.

Nai · Post Post #849 (ISO) » Fri Jun 29, 2007 5:18 am

No, I'm proving that you'd get my restrictions, BECAUSE of the flavor of my role. But, because you get my restrictions, you can't use my role's abilities.

My role is a badass among cats. I'm the batman of cats, feared for what I've done previously, which is why my role works. If I wasn't feared, I couldn't do what I do. As such, if you're not feared, you can't do my role's abilities. My restrictions are there, flavorfully, BECAUSE of the fear.

I'm being perfectly consistent. You're just throwing things in bad light again.

I also tell you because, unless your scum-buddy jumps on the wagon to kill me, there's no way you're getting my role, anyways.