Mini 469 - Self Guided Mafia - Game Over.

[Tarhalindur]

NUCLEAR LAUNCH DETECTED.

Original Roll String: 1d12

1 12-Sided Dice: (11) = 11

[Tarhalindur]

The dice command, and I obey.

Random

Vote: dylan41985

[Tarhalindur]

Hey Ms. Piggy, care to bandwagon hop more?

Unvote, Vote: Ms. Piggy

FoS: Dylan41985

[Tarhalindur]

Wait a minute. Ms. Piggy has unvoted/voted in every post save 1 (an EBWODP). Could we be dealing with a post restriction here?

Unvote

Ms. Piggy, if you are in fact PR'ed, vote for me with your next post.

[Tarhalindur]

Mmkay. That's either PRed townie or sympathy scum. Probably the former, IMO.

In an ordinary game, yes, but not necessarily in this game. For all we know, a scum could have been handed a PR after the random role distribution.

That said, given Ms. Piggy latest posts, I'm going to assume that Ms. Piggy *is* PR'ed for the time being - as such, I don't currently consider his vote-hopping scummy. It would be nice if Ms. Piggy would toggle his vote between two players, but depending on the nature of his PR that may not be possible.

Unvote: Ms. Piggy

I need to look over Jenter - something about how he's playing seems off. Unfortunately, I'm short on time right now (check V/LA), so

FoS: Jenter Brolincani

until I can actually do a reread.

[Tarhalindur]

Sorry for the absence - I've been a little low on access lately.

I need to take a closer look at Panzer. My gut is telling me that his play is very similar to his play in an ongoing game where he died and came up scum.

[Tarhalindur]

Vote: Panzerjager

I've seen Panzerscum pull that stunt before (ongoing game).

Excuse me while I take the time to finish the PBPA I should have finished a couple of days ago.

[Tarhalindur]

IIRC, he claimed Death Miller after that. :/

Question (I have my reasons for asking this, but I'd prefer not to reveal them for the time being): Does anyone have a rolename that's an MTG reference?

[Tarhalindur]

Tarhalindur Note: I'm still here, with a little more access than I've had for the last week or so. Unfortunately, I've fallen a bit behind in this game. I'll try to reread and get my thoughts on the game in in the next couple of days.

Unfortunately, I've just got word that I'm going to be on vacation from August 4-12. I'm 90% sure that I'll have no Internet access at that time.

Mod

, if that's going to be a problem then you should probably start looking for a (temporary?) replacement.

[Tarhalindur]

This game is getting incredibly, incredibly confusing, and the discussion is going in circles. I'm considering two possible discussion starters - Top 3 Scum List and a mass role-submitted claim - but I'm not entirely sure which, if either, I want to use ATM.

[Tarhalindur]

I agree with the Panzer lynch, especially since he claimed to have submitted Dylans's (bastard) role. There's also the fact that from what I can tell Panzer has NEVER quickhammared as town...

[Tarhalindur]

Panzer, I haven't seen your ScumChat games (IRC clients don't really work on the ancient computer I have to use during the summer ). I have looked over your forum games, though, and noticed several times where you quickhammared as scum (Mini 416 and Mini 462 - HAI Panzer! - are the most notable examples), while I can't find a game where you quickhammared as town (though it's possible that I missed a few Panzertown quickhammars in my review). If what I'm seeing is correct, quickhammaring (a scumtell in and of itself) seems to be one of the very few ways to distinguish between Panzertown and Panzerscum, since I couldn't find any games where you quickhammared as town. Given this and your bastard role submission (I currently believe that scum have more incentive to hand out a bastard role, in order to confuse the town - this is the main reason why I suggested a mass role-submitted claim), I decided that you deserved a closer look.

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I don't like the all-Doc submission idea, for two reasons:
1) Docs, like Cops, have sanities - quack, insane, etc.
2) I've got a number of (IMO) cool role ideas that I still want to have a chance to submit (like the restricted-ubermason role I submitted last night).

[Tarhalindur]

No...?

If his vote dosen't count, it's -2, if it does, it's -1

I think you missed Zodiac's Panzer vote...

[Tarhalindur]

I need to run some checks here.

First: Did anyone submit Doctor last night?

I have reasons for asking this, but I'd rather not elaborate until I have an answer to this question.

[Tarhalindur]

Umm, where is everyone?

Mod: I think a

Mass Prod

is in order.

[Tarhalindur]

I need to run some checks here.

First: Did anyone submit Doctor last night?

I have reasons for asking this, but I'd rather not elaborate until I have an answer to this question.

I kept my role ,so obviously didn't submit anything.

This relates to your role, you will die at night or something?

No, it has to do with the role I submitted. I really want the Stabilizer (whoever he/she is) to get protected, but I need to make sure that there's someone around to protect him/her first.

[Tarhalindur]

Yay, Internets are back. Now, I have another question that must be answered.

Jenter, what is your current role?

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Note: remember my Stabilizer comments? Basically, if the role works as I submitted it, nobody can win as long as the Stabilizer is alive (as long as he's not the last player standing).

This role may be considerably less powerful than I thought when I submitted it. Oh well.

[Tarhalindur]

If Jenter's not going to drop by an tell us his current role, then he needs to die.

Vote: Jenter

[Tarhalindur]

I'mma here.

Actually, I think that there's a better solution than having the Stabilizer claim.

Jenter, want to swap protections tonight?

[Tarhalindur]

wait, Tarhalindur, did you protect jenter last night?

I was a vanilla townie last night, and swapped my role (obviously). Today, I became a Doctor.

That said, looking over my role PM again, there

are

problems with my flavor, suggesting that my protection may be ineffectual. I'm considering swapping out my role tonight.

Raj, was your original role name Confidant by any chance?

[Tarhalindur]

I had no night choice last night, as I was a vanilla townie at the time.

I gained my doc powers at the beginning of today (D2).

[Tarhalindur]

Unvote, Vote: Xdaamno

[Tarhalindur]

Note: there should be a dayvig variant out there. I submitted Nuker (suicidal dayvig, kills self as well as target).

Nuker needs to claim ASAP (if you don't, we know you're scum). If we get a Guilty daycop, Nuker needs to take out the guilty ASAP.

I need to look over things before recommending a daycop target.

Also, DO NOT TARGET ME TODAY. I'm currently a Reflector (I redirect abilities used at me at random). I also have a second ability that is unlikely to be useful barring an Innocent daycop.

[Tarhalindur]

its doesnt matter that jenter has a day cop because i got a guilty on him last night. also his parter is prolly zodiac.

Even if he's scum, we might get some useful information from his daycop result.

My preferred course of action: Have Jenter use his daycop on someone other than raj, the Nuker, or myself (as targeting a Reflector is a bad idea), then have the Nuker kill Jenter. (If Jenter refuses to use the daycop, nuke him immediately.) That way, if Jenter is scum we may get useful (if WIFOM-heavy) information, and if Jenter is somehow town, we should catch a scum in the bargain.

I prefer having Jenter investigate Zodiac if we go along with this plan.

[Tarhalindur]

Guys, we (should) have a Nuker.

Let's wait to lynch Jenter until we're absolutely sure that the Nuker won't take care of him (which should only happen if the Nuker is scum), and give ourselves a good chance to take down a second scum in the process.

FoS: JDodge

for not realizing our double-lynch potential for today.

[Tarhalindur]

i am amazing

Are you the nuker?

[Tarhalindur]

Yeah, I also switched, which is why the Nuker should be somewhere around here.

Jenter: Are the results of your claimed daycop public or private (i.e, are they posted in the thread or given to you by PM?

Mod: Can we have a PROD on Kira?

[Tarhalindur]

Sounds good to me.

I still want the Nuker to claim.

Mod: Seriously, can we get a Prod on Kira?

[Tarhalindur]

Also, I just used my second ability on raj. I hope I don't have a bastard-modded role...

[Tarhalindur]

Oh, what the gg.

Also, I just used my second ability on raj.

I hope I don't have a bastard-modded role...

Kira has not received either of the last two prods and will be replaced.
In the meanwhile, I was going to do a votecount, but, eh, I decided to do something else instead.

rajrhcpfreak is sitting quietly at his desk,tweaking and chatting to his neighbors, when he begins to complain about a headache.

"Man, I feel funny-" He starts, before his eyes roll up into his head, and his body begins to twitch and convulse. Foam spittles out of his mouth, and he flops to the ground. Attempts to give him CPR nd, ahem, mouth-to-mouth fail, and in a matter of minutes rajrhcpfreak is dead.

A small mechanical gerbil, that had been surreptitiously perched on his shoulder, squeaked and twitched as well, before it's little electrical circuits fried and it too was still.

rajrhcpfreak, Hawk-Eyed Inventioneer, 50% Vig-50% Cop, Pro-Town, is dead!

The vote count has been reset.

I used my second ability on raj in the belief that it was a day-doc ability (hereby offering protection from a possible Mafia Nuker). As it turns out, either I'm a quack daydoc or a bastard-modded dayvig.

I think I might just know what really happened to the Nuker...

Also,

Vote: Jenter

.

[Tarhalindur]

It's not a random wagon. Raj, who had a role that is unlikely to be insane (confirmed because of my second ability), got a Guilty on you.

LOCK ON: Jenter Brolincani

As for me telling the truth - I've told you my truth. Whether you believe me or not is not something for me to be concerned with.

Also, nice deflection, scum.

[Tarhalindur]

Jenter coming up scum makes Zodiac look much, much worse to me, especially after I looked at this post by Zodiac:

ooh guess who didnt want to lynch panzer?

now lets lynch jenter.

vote jenter

And guess what? Panzer wasn't scum, yet you are voting for Jenter for no reason actually.

Vote: rajrhcpfreak

This looks like scum defending a buddy on bad logic to me (the logic he's using boils down to "You claimed A and B are scum. A isn't scum, so therefore B isn't scum", which is flawed because A and B are independent).

Zodiac's voting record also looks scummy in light of Jenter coming up scum; in particular, he seems to have been at least partially responsible for pushing wagons on townies ahead of Jenter wagons on both D1 and D2 (he was the fifth vote on the D1 Xdaamno wagon - see Vote Count 3 - and he was the second vote on the D2 raj wagon [Jenter was the third] - see Vote Count 11).

Zodiac, you have a lot of explaining to do, and you need to do it right now, especially since I elected to keep my role (quack day-doc) last night in order to allow a double lynch. If you fail to explain yourself, I may conclude that you need to die, and act accordingly.

HoS: Zodiac

(I won't vote you yet, because I would vastly prefer to use my ability before we lynch, hereby letting us effectively double-lynch today.)

[Tarhalindur]

From what I've seen (here and lurking on a few other sites), this is fairly normal CPE play.

I think that CPE is probably town - his interactions with Jenter don't look like scumbuddy interactions.

[Tarhalindur]

Tar lurks on other sites?

MTGS has problems with my current e-mail address, and I'm too lazy to get another one, so I lurk there instead of actually posting.

[Tarhalindur]

Um, where is everyone?

I'll probably use my second ability on Zodiac if I don't see some discussion on who to vig/lynch in the next 24 hours or so. We need something to happen, and I think that Zodiac is the most likely player to be scum.

[Tarhalindur]

Um, where is everyone?

I'll probably use my second ability on Zodiac if I don't see some discussion on who to vig/lynch in the next 24 hours or so. We need something to happen, and I think that Zodiac is the most likely player to be scum.

I think Kira/Aimee would be a better choice, but I'm fine with Zodiac.

I could go with

shielding

nuking Aimee tomorrow if the numbers allow it - Ms. Piggy's actions re: Jenter could easily be scum bussing - but I think that Zodiac and schismatised, in that order, are more likely to be scum.

Since I don't see any significant opposition to using my second ability on Zodiac,

Shield: Zodiac

(Shield = use my second ability = attempt to daykill)

[Tarhalindur]

Vote: Zodiac

, since he didn't die when I used my ability (which STRONGLY implies that he's scum).

Also, this all-but-confirms exactly how my daydoc ability works. I'm a true quack daydoc - I kill townies that I protect, but not scum.

[Tarhalindur]

I expected you to claim that. I don't believe it. Among other things, if you were in fact unkillable town, then I would have expected you to claim unkillable town when I made it clear that I was likely to use my ability on you.

Confirm Vote

[Tarhalindur]

I've always been partial to tofu myself.

[Tarhalindur]

No, I've heard it's gamey.

[Tarhalindur]

Let's try this again.

Shield: schismatized

[Tarhalindur]

I thought about that after the claim, but I don't really care - I was probably going to dayvig schismatized anyways (he pinged my scumdar yesterday, and his quickhammer on Zodiac looks like scum shutting off discussion), I suspected that this so-called mod mistake could actually be an ability instead of a real mistake and wanted to be sure, and finally, with two lynches remaining (and a possible dayvig should the scum fail to kill again tonight) we should be able to hunt down the last scum with ease.

[Tarhalindur]

Nevermind, Skruffs gave me a chance to take back the shield attempt, which I promptly took.

Schis, I will likely daykill you anyways, since you're my #1 suspect, but you get a chance to defend yourself first (and JDodge gets a chance to get in his suspicions before the kill).

[Tarhalindur]

After recent events, gladly.

Shield: Aimee

[Tarhalindur]

Yes.

[Tarhalindur]

Lynch me if you choose. I offer no defense.

[Tarhalindur]

Vote: Zodiac

, since he didn't die when I used my ability (which STRONGLY implies that he's scum).

Also, this all-but-confirms exactly how my daydoc ability works. I'm a true quack daydoc - I kill townies that I protect, but not scum.

A good point can be made against this claim.

Why would you keep a role that, aside from it being a (terrible) cop,

only hurts the town

?

Here's something for the town to chew on tomorrow.

I had three good reasons for keeping my role: a) Zodiac came up unkillable after all, invalidating my conclusions; b) I disagree with you about the "can only hurt the town"; and c) that's my

second

ability, and my first (I'm still a reflector, AFAICT) makes me almost impossible for the scum to remove short of lynch.

[Tarhalindur]

Oh, what the heck. Remember to kill Schis or JDodge tomorrow.

Vote: Tarhalindur

[Tarhalindur]

WHY DIDN'T I TRUST MY INSTINCTS AND KILL SCHIS?

WHY WHY WHY?

[Tarhalindur]

You were a reflector too, schis?

That's very, very lame.