Mini 469 - Self Guided Mafia - Game Over.

[schismatized]

wait actually, a role-submitted claim could be bad: it just gives the scum easy claims. like "oh i got your role" and then theres all sorts of counterclaiming that cant really be proved...

[PJ.]

I'd rather go with a mass claim followed by a role submitted claim.

[JDodge]

I'd rather lynch Panzerjager.

[schismatized]

I'd rather lynch Panzerjager.

You got yourself a deal

[dylan41985]

are we submitting oour roels yet?

[Tarhalindur]

I agree with the Panzer lynch, especially since he claimed to have submitted Dylans's (bastard) role. There's also the fact that from what I can tell Panzer has NEVER quickhammared as town...

[schismatized]

Before we lynch anyone, i got an idea. What if everyone submits doc tonight? then we can all protect eachother and a townie doesnt get NK'd? Everyone will say who they are going to protect, and then if someone dies, lynch whoever said they were going to protect them. Eh? or would this be somehow against the rules?

[dylan41985]

I love the idea of everyone submitting a doctor role. Of course the mafia wouldn't do it, but we would have a good chance of saving the town person they attack.

[rajrhcpfreak]

I agree with the Panzer lynch, especially since he claimed to have submitted Dylans's (bastard) role. There's also the fact that from what I can tell Panzer has NEVER quickhammared as town...

and he still hasn't.

i dont think that was really a quick lynch anyways. we discussed it a decent amount.

with the all docs... well im in on it if the town agrees. but im skeptical of you all trying to break the game.

[PJ.]

Well, normally I would Role Claim but roles don't mean shit in this game and I never attempoted to quick lynch. So now I'm stuck in a postion without anything to pry myself out. Tar, have you ever read any of my games? Have you read my Scum Chat Mafia Game chat logs? I hammer often. I truly believe that Jenter and Daamo are scum, but lynch me if you must Schism.

[schismatized]

but lynch me if you must Schism.

Anytime man. 8)

Also, would my doc idea be agains the rules?

MOD: What are your feelings on this?

Im willing to do this. Lets just kill off panzer lol, and then all submit doc. We would need for everyone to claim who they protect tho..

[PJ.]

Know what, Everyone submit doc, and let me live. I have a great role idea that could win Town the Game.

[theopor_COD]

I'm happy with the doctor plan as suggested.

I need to re-read as I've let this game slip, whilst I do so . . .

unvote

and further to that if Broccoli is a death miller then he's probably town - of course he could very easily be lieing.

[Xdaamno]

Just butting in to say I'm fine with a roleclaim, followed by a role-submitted claim, as long as we do both and we can in 14 days.

[Jenter Brolincani]

I'm fine with the Doc idea...

Pan, will your idea be dangerous if scum get it?

Pan does seem to be rather desperate to survive... I'll need persuasion but I could be tempted into moving my vote, I'm just not sure he's outright scummy atm.

[Zodiac]

[quote="Jenter Brolincani"]
Pan, will your idea be dangerous if scum get it?
quote]

Of course

it would be dangerous in scum hands, as they would make the role something else than that role appears to be.

Did you get it or did you not?

BTW, back from the vacation.

[Jenter Brolincani]

How do you mean? I'm asking abot the role idea that he says could win town the game (see above).

[PJ.]

And Theo, Jenter being a death miller means nothing. He could have easily left out the "Reverse" part. I honestly feel lynchs arn't gonna win us the game, It's gonna take Night and people making more aggresive or creativly defensive roles.

Mod

: I have two very serious questions.
A. Do effects that happen in your role such as Dylan's happen if if the role is to be changed?
B. Can You Use an Ability and Change Your role in the same Night?

Alright and just for the town's information, Schism has a vendetta against me(anyone who has been in Scumchat while me and him are should know that it's a bloodbath). Hence why he has been on me for virtually no reason. Tarhilandur, still waiting for your answers about how you know my playstyle? I have always been known for being aggresive, I modled my playstyle after Twito's because he was effective and the way I wanted to play but in a much more respectful and mature way. I also stand by that I didn't try to quick lynch, I simply tried to hammer a scum. I truly think you guys let Daamo and Jenter off far too easily. Anyway, would claiming at this point mean a damn thing?

[rajrhcpfreak]

the problem i had with daamo was the way he was acting, with lots of little scum tells. and since then hes done a complete 180 and is acting like a townie.

ive stopped pushing him because theres no hard evidence and hes realized his mistake.

jenter... well im still lynching him. its too easy to claim death miller is a game like this. and what are the chances that the person acting the scummiest is the death miller?

[PJ.]

Unvote, Vote:Jenter

because I didn't know where my vote was.

[Skruffs]

Mod

: I have two very serious questions.
A. Do effects that happen in your role such as Dylan's happen if if the role is to be changed?
B. Can You Use an Ability and Change Your role in the same Night?

A. I am not going to confirm or deny Dylan's claimed role.
However, to answer your question, all night actions (Targetted or automatic) go throughafter roles are officially 'submitted' and before they are 'received'.
Roles do not change until they are received - so an automatic ability (like the gun owner's automatic nightkill on anyone who targets them) will take place before the paranoid gun owner changes their role.

B. Changing your role is considered a night time action. Just like a Jack-of-all-trades only picks one action to use each night, players may only pick to use a role or change that role, but not both. (There may be an exception or two, or there may not be.)

It seems all players are being active - though CPE and MS PIGGY have not posted since the prod. I do have replacements available for those who wish them.

[schismatized]

Okay so i guess everyone submits doc tonight, but someone still dies.

[Ms Piggy]

Let's just lynch Panzer, for all I care.

unvote, vote Panzerjager

[PJ.]

Alright I would like reasons from everyone that is going to lynch me because none of the reasons have been sufficient, Ms.Piggy's being the Least sufficient.

[Tarhalindur]

Panzer, I haven't seen your ScumChat games (IRC clients don't really work on the ancient computer I have to use during the summer ). I have looked over your forum games, though, and noticed several times where you quickhammared as scum (Mini 416 and Mini 462 - HAI Panzer! - are the most notable examples), while I can't find a game where you quickhammared as town (though it's possible that I missed a few Panzertown quickhammars in my review). If what I'm seeing is correct, quickhammaring (a scumtell in and of itself) seems to be one of the very few ways to distinguish between Panzertown and Panzerscum, since I couldn't find any games where you quickhammared as town. Given this and your bastard role submission (I currently believe that scum have more incentive to hand out a bastard role, in order to confuse the town - this is the main reason why I suggested a mass role-submitted claim), I decided that you deserved a closer look.

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I don't like the all-Doc submission idea, for two reasons:
1) Docs, like Cops, have sanities - quack, insane, etc.
2) I've got a number of (IMO) cool role ideas that I still want to have a chance to submit (like the restricted-ubermason role I submitted last night).