Mini 482: Shrek Mafia - Game Over

[benhalkum]

VOTE: Jex for being a grey care bear and having a title of mafia scum.

[benhalkum]

SOrry didn't bold

VOTE: Jex

[benhalkum]

I have to disagree, grump bear is the coolest carebear ever.

[benhalkum]

Wrong. At this point in time, we lose a whole day of potential information.

I think that finding 2 scum day one is better than having alot of discussion day one. We can discuss the next day as well. The only special thing that happens day one is the random voting, and we are done with that part.

Again, the theory of two scum just jumping right on is flawed. It also looks even more suspicious that you're unvoting right now, especially after we called you out on the initial vote.

I am unvoting because the scum didn't try to lynch Nox. Leaving my vote on her would be useless.

Not necessarily. Trigger happy townies exist too. Could have been perfectly possible for two townies to pile right on. Also your lines of reasoning here don't really reconcile, like it doesn't matter if we get a myslynch or not.

I honestly doubt that there are 2 townies that would be dumb enough to vote for her. It would be two scum acting like 2 dumb townies in an attempt to get rid of a townie without geting lynched. I said that if she gets lynched the people that did it are most almost sure to be scum and only the scum would hammer her. Someone would unvote if she got to lynch-1 and the two voting didn't work together.

"If the scum don't want to give themselbes away"? What kind of statement is that? Why would the scum want to give themselves away? Sure, they might decide to sacrifice one or two of themselves at some point in a game, but right now its not particularly advantageous. This group of players has barely had time to get acquainted with each other. If a scum player were to sacrifice himself now, it doesn't do anything for the scum. They just lose a member. Scum sacrifice is, if played well, about redirecting suspicion. Deciding to get yourself lynched this early on day one, with most of the players not even contributing yet, doesn't do anything of this sort. You don't throw suspicion on or off anybody, because right now, most players have barely had time to greet each other, let alone do something either pro or antitown.

It is a figure of speech. Another way of saying "If the scum aren't going to try to lynch Nox and inadvertently make the town think they are scum." Not actualy deciding to give themselves away.

Also, we don't know how many scum there are (and also whether or not we have a Serial Killer). So even if one or two scum decides to sacrifice himself, the town still might not be in a particularly good situation, as the chance to gather information is lost.

In what situation would losing 2 scum be a bad thing for the town?

GOOD points.

VOTE: Mirth

[benhalkum]

I find it more likely for scum to put the 4th or 5th vote on a bandwagon then for them to hammer at the end. The hammer vote is almost always over zealous townies or incredibly stupid scum.

I tend to fall into the overzelous townie part there myself.

[benhalkum]

I've been offline for 2 days, you'll see more from me.

[benhalkum]

Wrong. At this point in time, we lose a whole day of potential information.

I think that finding 2 scum day one is better than having alot of discussion day one. We can discuss the next day as well. The only special thing that happens day one is the random voting, and we are done with that part.

Again, the theory of two scum just jumping right on is flawed. It also looks even more suspicious that you're unvoting right now, especially after we called you out on the initial vote.

I am unvoting because the scum didn't try to lynch Nox. Leaving my vote on her would be useless.

Not necessarily. Trigger happy townies exist too. Could have been perfectly possible for two townies to pile right on. Also your lines of reasoning here don't really reconcile, like it doesn't matter if we get a myslynch or not.

I honestly doubt that there are 2 townies that would be dumb enough to vote for her. It would be two scum acting like 2 dumb townies in an attempt to get rid of a townie without geting lynched. I said that if she gets lynched the people that did it are most almost sure to be scum and only the scum would hammer her. Someone would unvote if she got to lynch-1 and the two voting didn't work together.

"If the scum don't want to give themselbes away"? What kind of statement is that? Why would the scum want to give themselves away? Sure, they might decide to sacrifice one or two of themselves at some point in a game, but right now its not particularly advantageous. This group of players has barely had time to get acquainted with each other. If a scum player were to sacrifice himself now, it doesn't do anything for the scum. They just lose a member. Scum sacrifice is, if played well, about redirecting suspicion. Deciding to get yourself lynched this early on day one, with most of the players not even contributing yet, doesn't do anything of this sort. You don't throw suspicion on or off anybody, because right now, most players have barely had time to greet each other, let alone do something either pro or antitown.

It is a figure of speech. Another way of saying "If the scum aren't going to try to lynch Nox and inadvertently make the town think they are scum." Not actualy deciding to give themselves away.

Also, we don't know how many scum there are (and also whether or not we have a Serial Killer). So even if one or two scum decides to sacrifice himself, the town still might not be in a particularly good situation, as the chance to gather information is lost.

In what situation would losing 2 scum be a bad thing for the town?

THIS is why I voted you Mirth.

[benhalkum]

Well, with being just a good guy I am only having to go off of suspecions and randomness like you guys.

You think without a shadow of a doubt Mirth is Town, then tell me. I'll go with my fellow good guys

[benhalkum]

I really don't need to explain a day one vote, no one does. NONE of us know who's who, and day one its never easy to choose.

If you lynch me, just look back to who pushed the hardest and who jumped right on the bandwagon

[benhalkum]

ok, then re-wind.. pull out the place that says soemthing about a reason and replace with random.. my reason is randomness.

[benhalkum]

Just a side note.. I don't want anyone thinking I called anything like being a jester, or am trying to act in a jesterly manner. I'm not the jester, but I appreciate the attention guys.

[benhalkum]

The only opinon I have to be honest, is everyone is quick to come up with their own theories and ideas, and easy to agree as long as they aren't in the light.

[benhalkum]

Jex.. Yea it's weird he said he's ok with jumping ona wagon, but I don't see that as being a reason to vite for him.. YET.. the man just got back and we don't need to throw someone to hounds first day back. Lets watch him and see where it goes.

[benhalkum]

I just understand what's it's like to not have the internet and be lost when you get back on. Of course him throwing my name into the mix DOES make me feel uncomfortable now, as if trying to get people suspecious of me.

VOTE ImHim

[benhalkum]

I request to be replaced. I will no longer be participating in mafia games hosted by mafiascum. I did enjoy my stay but the games are too slow paced and unproductive for me.