Open Countdown! Mini 487! GAME OVER!

[curiouskarmadog]

ugh, hate random votes, but we need to start somewhere right?

vote heatherlou

once had a girlfriend named heather...she was the anti-christ.

[curiouskarmadog]

I can't stand it when people hack proper spelling:

Vote: d3sisted

I've got my eye on the Ninja. Those can kill ya.

yeah I was going to go that route, but then I figured the deep frying would render him useless.

[curiouskarmadog]

ugh, only if the SK waited a little longer we could have had more information to go on (i.e. seen who might have been working with the dead mafia)..

any thoughts on the SK's timing (page 1)?

Well, my thoughts is that the SK will probably be mostly quiet...so starting for the top of the list, who have we not heard from...

unvote.

vote deepsouth

pressure vote to get you talking

[curiouskarmadog]

I half expected this. The SK is on a timer, and he just put the town on one. Basically we have a 7 day deadline to lynch before he kills again. I expected him to kill as soon as possible so that he could kill again as soon as possible. However, I think this kill blew up in his face. Since he killed a mafia he now has to target townies or else he could end the game prematurely if town lynches a mafia and gets a scent...

I thought the rules read that he/she could only lynch if a week went by AND there had been a lynch.

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote: curiouskarmadog

any reason...not even a funny comment?

[curiouskarmadog]

1 Daykilling SK(can kill once per "day" or week)(If a week in time has passed since the last SK kill, he may kill again, if a lynch has occured since the last SK kill, he may kill again)

As I read this, he can kill again if EITHER one week (real time) passes OR a lynch has occurred.

right i guess I can see this..

week has passed, can kill again.
if a lynch as occured, can kill again..

yeah, then it makes since that he/she would kill asap.

which I then take to mean, the SK is probably someone who just realized that the game started...of course, we dont know how long the request (day choice) was sitting in the Mod box...

at any rate, you are right, we are on a time table.

[curiouskarmadog]

well since we are on a time table....we need to hear from EVERYONE soon.

[curiouskarmadog]

2 questions and a thought:

Curiouskarmadog (do you have any preffered short version of your name?) why did you change your vote to deepsouth?

people usually go with CKD..

thougth I stated it..pressure vote on lurkers, she/he was the first one on the list.

[curiouskarmadog]

Sorry I'm late. I had a busy weekend and wasn't able to play much. Friday, was the last day I checked to see if the game had started.

FOS: curiouskarmadog

for saying that the serial killer hasn't posted yet. I think ckd might be the SK.

vote: Raffles

for not posting yet.

sort of a silly post isnt it? You think that the SK has posted? How often?

Why did you pick Raffles over HazzelQ?

[curiouskarmadog]

Sorry I'm late. I had a busy weekend and wasn't able to play much. Friday, was the last day I checked to see if the game had started.

FOS: curiouskarmadog

for saying that the serial killer hasn't posted yet. I think ckd might be the SK.

vote: Raffles

for not posting yet.

sort of a silly post isnt it? You think that the SK has posted? How often?

Why did you pick Raffles over HazzelQ?

I'm not going to answer the first two questions, but the last one is kinda silly. He can't vote for both, so he has to pick one over the other. Since neither of them posted, it's pretty obvious that he just picked one arbitrarily.

questions were not for you, this one is though,

why did you feel the need to answer them?

[curiouskarmadog]

Why did you feel the need to ask that question?

which one?

comment on questions in general: We are in Day 1, all questions (even apparent irrelevant ones) a.) provide information for the town and b.) gets the town talking.

I found it curious that Stewie decided to answer a question that wasn’t even directed toward him. What provoked him to do so? I asked deepsouth why he picked Raffles over HazzelQ…both have been inactive so far, so what was his method? If it was random, that is fine…but I wanted to hear it from deepsouth, not Stewie.

So question: Stewie what provoked you to answer a question that wasn’t directed to you?

Also..since deepsouth has posted…

Unvote: deepsouth

Vote: HazzelQ

…I have noted that HazzelQ has been posting in other threads, not this one yet…so again a pressure vote to get you talking.

[curiouskarmadog]

well, I think I answered your question, but will again..

I wanted to know his method..

[curiouskarmadog]

So what's your method for picking someone to pressure?

please read my posts...both of my posts state why (and how I chose) my votes.

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm not going to answer the first two questions, but the last one is kinda silly. He can't vote for both, so he has to pick one over the other. Since neither of them posted, it's pretty obvious that he just picked one arbitrarily.

Um, you did not answer my question. I asked you why you answered a question that was directed to deepsouth (ie not you)…

I'm not going to answer the first two questions, but the last one is kinda silly. He can't vote for both, so he has to pick one over the other. Since neither of them posted, it's pretty obvious that he just picked one arbitrarily.

How do you know it was random? Maybe he metagamed. (if you metagamed, you would find one of them is active the other is not) Maybe he has a grudge from a previous game…who knows….but now it is moot because you took it upon yourself to answer it for him.

Again, why did you feel it necessary to answer a question that was not directed to you?

[curiouskarmadog]

I have noted that HazzelQ has been posting in other threads, not this one yet…so again a pressure vote to get you talking.

So did Raffles. He posted extensively in Carthage mafia on Saturday. He could've posted here.

since you metagamed I am sure you noted that Raffles has stated he/she will be on vacation until the 15th..

and that HazzelQ actually posted this morning (and posted on Sunday)...

[curiouskarmadog]

Stewie correctly identified it as a dead end question. I don't see the problem.
There's no problem with answering someone else's questions when there's only one likely answer they'd give (regardless of what their intentions are).

Another example, if I ask you to claim, it would be perfectly all right for someone else to point out you'd claim townie. There's no other claim, unless the SK can convince us he wants to help kill the mafia, but I for one would lynch him on the spot if it doesn't make us lose instantly.

You are wrong, there are several answers he could have given...(as I have stated before)..I wanted to see what he had to say...but Stewie obligated to answer it for him.

[curiouskarmadog]

unvote HazzelQ

she does not know she is in this game (in another game with her)..

MOD can you prod HazzelQ, apparently she has no clue she is in this game.

[curiouskarmadog]

for a game in which we are on a SK time table...conversation is lacking.

[curiouskarmadog]

Stewie correctly identified it as a dead end question. I don't see the problem.
There's no problem with answering someone else's questions when there's only one likely answer they'd give (regardless of what their intentions are).

Another example, if I ask you to claim, it would be perfectly all right for someone else to point out you'd claim townie. There's no other claim, unless the SK can convince us he wants to help kill the mafia, but I for one would lynch him on the spot if it doesn't make us lose instantly.

You are wrong, there are several answers he could have given...(as I have stated before)..I wanted to see what he had to say...but Stewie obligated to answer it for him.

Several answers? Name one then.

this is the second time you have spoke without reading or doing a little leg work, it is getting old..

please read post 46 (AGAIN)

[curiouskarmadog]

If we're going into whether the SK posted before the kill or not, the following people posted pre-kill (in order of first post):

Kinetic
CKD
MGM
Mirth
D3sisted (obviously not the SK, being dead)
Heatherlou
Stewie

not sure what is sigificant about whether the SK posted before or after the SK post by the Mod. We do not know how long the request from the SK to the mod set in the Mod's box. So actually, that "list" could be cut in half, we have no way of telling.

[curiouskarmadog]

I guess it would probably not help trying to figure out why he hit d3sisted first.

[curiouskarmadog]

testing

guess you have fixed the problem?

[curiouskarmadog]

ok now HazzelQ has posted...what about Deep Fried Ninja?

MOD can we have Prod?

[curiouskarmadog]

Is it metagaming to point out that HazzelQ is almost certainly not the SK?

Unless you think Jeep was collaberating with her, she has an alibi; she can't have sent the pm, since she didn't even know she was in the game. She could still be mafia, of course.

I truly do not think she knew the game was on.

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote: MGM

I think his play has been scummy. For little reasons that are beginning to add up.

1.) Both d3sisted and MGM voted for each other off the get go. I see mafia doing this so often as a distancing maneuver. Again, this really doesn’t mean anything alone and by itself is an incredibly weak argument.

2.) Then, he places his vote on me with little explanation. When Mirth and I asks him about..he does provide his random reasoning, which is fine because we were still in that random vote stage at the time. However, he later adds this:

MGM you mentioned the dangers of dogs before the kill was announced. So do you have any after kill explanation for your vote?

I mentioned him as a possible suspect and since the first suspect I mentioned died, I had an unused vote lying around. I might as well place it somewhere and since my hunch on d3sisted was correct, I might as well continue to trust my hunches for the time being.

he “random” voted someone who happened to be mafia on a hunch..what sort of hunch can someone get 3 posts into the game when his hunchie has not even posted yet? So now he has a hunch about me? That is crap logic. I now think that he got lucky when the SK killed d3sisted with MGM’s vote on him. Now he is trying to convince us that his hunches find scum...that I think is scummy.

3.) then this exchange occurs:

We are on page two. None of us have said very much yet, and all the votes up to this point have been random. We are all possible suspects. Why does he merit special attention here? He had a whole two posts when you first mentioned him as a "possible suspect." Your vote on d3sisted seemed to be a joking random vote which just happened to get lucky, as he hadn't posted anything when you voted for him. Then he voted for you. I'm weary of "hunches" that are formed without anything to back them up.

It should be pretty clear that my vote was random/arbitrary too. I didn't say the vote was based on a hunch. My hunch was about whether the SK posted

.

He just contradicted himself.

He just said…

I might as well place it somewhere and

since my hunch on d3sisted was correct, I might as well continue to trust my hunches for the time being.

Seeing his flawed logic on my vote he back tracks and lies (stating his hunch was about the SK not the vote).

4.) Then post 47, he tries to implicate something.

I have noted that HazzelQ has been posting in other threads, not this one yet…so again a pressure vote to get you talking.

So did Raffles. He posted extensively in Carthage mafia on Saturday. He could've posted here.

which I quickly address (without further comment from him on the subject)

since you metagamed I am sure you noted that Raffles has stated he/she will be on vacation until the 15th..

and that HazzelQ actually posted this morning (and posted on Sunday)...

5.) Seems like he is getting antsy. Again, this is not a big thing by itself, but since we are nightless, the mafia really would be antsy and might start trying to push a case.

We should start focussing. If we don't have a lynch target by the deadline, we're losing the town headstart the dead scum got us.

6.) Finally he unvotes me without reason, when asked he states:

... no reason?

Of course there is a reason. But I'm quite happy to hold it under my hat right now.

this seems very anti-town to me. Seems like he has information that he does not want to share with the town. Shouldn’t you provide the information to help the town?

At any rate, I think he has had the scummiest plays and posts thus far.

[curiouskarmadog]

First, CKD, what prompted your vote on MGM just now? Most of the stuff you pointed out has been around for a bit, and yet you didn't vote for him.

the little things had been adding up...I saw two votes and thought I better analyze MGM more to weigh in either way (honestly though, I figured it would be on the scummy side)...

once a did the reread, he did come out quite scummy...and I posted why in my post.

[curiouskarmadog]

What I don't like: Kinetic also voicing his suspicion of MGM. I called MGM out on the hunch thing 2 pages back. Nobody else commented. Then Hazel voted. And CKD and Kinetic seem to take this as a cue that its okay to voice their suspicions. MGM hasn't done anything particularly earth shattering (or worthy of note even) in the last page. Granted, I still think he is the most suspicious person here, of people whove actually said something. But that can obviously change.

I can see that it looks scummy, or at least suspicious. I guess I am not in that mind set “should I post (or vote) because it might look scummy?” As I said before, I went back and read MGM’s post and thought it warranted a vote.


Here is the current problem with this game. We a.) don’t have enough active posters and b.) don’t have a Mod that can check the internet regularly. In a game set up like this one where we have a deadline, we need a Mod who is on top of this game. WE NEED PRODS! What should we do? Is there a back up Mod? DO we just grin and bear it?


We need the thoughts, votes, and feed back of every person in this game. If not, this game is heavily slanted in favor of the the SK and mafia.

[curiouskarmadog]

[quote="HazzelQ']I agree on the last part. But since we do have some people posting, we should focus on them. I see no reason not to lynch mgn, if he is vanilla we have not lost the most important player, and if he is mafia it's a big step forward.

About the other part- well, we can do a vote count ourselves I guess..[/quote]

whoa wait a minute...I do not want to lynch anyone who might be townie. who is our most important player? Do you think MGM might be townie?

Hazzle this post has come off quite scummy, almost seems like you are covering your butt if he comes up town..please address..

[curiouskarmadog]

stupid quotes

[curiouskarmadog]

Thoughts on what? (if you mean lynching, scroll up for my opinion.) I've commented on all that I feel needs commenting on, honestly. I'm just more or less waiting for more people to join in on the discussion, because it doesn't seem to me that very many people are actively playing.

I asked the Mod in a PM to prod DFN....unfornately we do not have the time to wait for others to join actively....we are on a SK deadline...

[curiouskarmadog]

I am still for the MGM lynch (for reasons stated in post 100)..nothing has changed this view. However, if we do lynch MGM and he comes up mafia, big FoS on Kinetic.

After that I'm even more convinced that the SK is trying to frame MGM. HazzleQ seems like the best suspect imo.

How exactly is the SK trying to frame MGM with a M4yham kill? Seems to me that there are better people to daykill that would “frame” MGM. The SK just wants to be the last man standing, why would he need to frame MGM? Given the current votes, it looks like there is a huge suspicion on MGM. I think that if MGM was the SK he might take out someone voting on him (because he is at 3 votes). That being said, the SK would have probably taken out someone who is voting for MGM to make it look like MGM was the SK trying to get rid of votes on him.

So, who was m4yham’s vote on? Had to go back to page 3 to find it, but it was on Mirth. So if the SK was trying to frame anyone, wouldn’t the SK be trying to frame Mirth, instead of MGM?

How does killing M4yham speed up the MGM lynch?

[curiouskarmadog]

to me, it looks like he is defending MGM...by stating that the SK is framing MGM is a ploy to either get votes off of his scumbuddy or stop more votes compliing. I do not trust anybody enough in this game to defend anyone yet. Looks like Kinetic is sticking his neck out there for MGM by posting this comment. Why?

[curiouskarmadog]

OK officially FOS Kinetic.

After that I'm even more convinced that the SK is trying to frame MGM. HazzleQ seems like the best suspect imo.

How exactly is the SK trying to frame MGM with a M4yham kill?

So far both SK kills have been on people MGM jokingly targeted. Coincidence?

Well, this is inaccurate or an out and out lie. Please post where MGM jokingly targeted M4yham. He jokingly target d3sisted and me.

How does killing M4yham speed up the MGM lynch?

Exactly how it is working. Now don't get me wrong, I never said I don't think MGM could be scum, but I also think that it is mighty suspicious that the scummiest players in the game seem to be piling on MGM. The only reason I'm not attacking MGM is not because I don't think its possible for him to be scummy, but because I'm more suspicious of the people attacking him.

Did you actually answer my question or just scoot around it? AGAIN, how does killing M4yham speed up the MGM lynch? So far it has done absolutely nothing.

to me, it looks like he is defending MGM...by stating that the SK is framing MGM is a ploy to either get votes off of his scumbuddy or stop more votes compliing. I do not trust anybody enough in this game to defend anyone yet. Looks like Kinetic is sticking his neck out there for MGM by posting this comment. Why?

You are misconstruing my intentions and placing words in my mouth. I never defended MGM, I pointed out what I think is happening

Interesting. Why did you feel it necessary to point it out now? Who was that post for? As it stands you say the people attacking MGM are scummier…but MGM could be scum. Looks like you have cleared yourself both ways. If the MGM lynch goes down (or if he is Nked) and he comes up scum, you can always fall back on “well, I never said I don’t think MGM could be scum”. By stating you think the people “pushing” then lynch are scummier, is a way of defending MGM. I could go into a deeper analysis of why (or how rather) you are defending him, but you are not an idiot. You know you are defending him.

I am directly asking you, do you think MGM is scum or not?

[curiouskarmadog]

Plus, my original point still stands, the SK wants MGM lynched no matter what his alignment. He's going to leave the people voting him alone so that they can continue to push him.

Anybody who plays mafia realizes why the SK did not want to hit MGM. So that point is obvious. But by saying it the way that you did (with your false or inaccurate information, whatever the case may be), it made it look like lynching MGM was scummy. When indeed it is not. It was a defense rather you want to admit it or not.

I.Don't. Know. I'm telling you directly, I DON'T KNOW! Maybe he is, maybe he isn't. But I am not going to be pressured by you into saying one way or the other. This sort of high-pressure tactics is what I've seen scum use millions of times to try and force someone to make a choice when both choices are rigged to lose..

Fine you do not know. Now that I call out your fence sitting on the issue, you start to suggest I am scum. I am not surprised. This was not a logic trap. You think he is town, ok I understand why you would defend him…you think he is scum, well, why are you not voting for him. Currently you want us to believe you are fence sitting. “I just don’t know”. Personally I think you are scum with MGM. You are not certian that he is going to be lynched yet, so you are afraid to commit either way.
I just wanted to know why you were defending him. Now, I want to know why you cant admit you were/are defending him.

Interesting that the 3 people voting for him you are calling scummy…Why is that? Why is MGM not in your scummy radar, but HazzleQ, myself, and Mirth are? Again you paint a MGM lynch as scummy..I wonder if he gets another vote, well that person be scummy too?

I still think MGM is the lynch of the day…when he comes up scum, I know where I want to go next.

[curiouskarmadog]

If he is not scum, why do you suppose he would be lying (in your words)?

[curiouskarmadog]

he discuss meaningless things (IMO to stall),

I'm discussing meaningless things? Now you're just being silly. It's fine you find my ideas weird, it's okay to disagree with me, but claiming I'm stalling is plain wrong. I'm doing everything I can to get meaningful discussion started.

Are you talking about my idea the mafia is more dangerous than the SK?

post #114 explains it.

Ok, screw this. I am going to reset here. My tactic is only going in circles, I am not getting any meaningless results. My vote stays for now though.

ok I do not understand this post...are you going in circles or are you NOT getting meaningless results?

What was your tactic before? What exactly are you trying to reset?

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm going to

Vote: Stewie

. I've learnt from Consulmaker and SiS that it's never a good idea to keep plain lurkers alive.

Stewie is lurking?

[curiouskarmadog]

Gah Im really sorry I havent posted or finished reading. I have family visiting and I didn't expect that they would drive me absolutely insane. I'll be able to post late tomorrow evening, when they finally leave. Again, I'm really really sorry about this, because they're usually not this annoyingly clingy, and I didn't forsee this as a problem.

...ookey. We don't really care, sorry.

OK 1.) why did you post this? Just to show you are an ass?

2.) everyone should care, because WE ARE ON A SK DEADLINE...we need everyone commenting and posting...and voting, or the SK will pick us off one at a time

[curiouskarmadog]

Vote count please

this is very unofficial...I just skimmed the post...but I think we stand at this.

Current VC:
2 MGM(CuriousKarmaDog, HazzelQ,)
2 HazzleQ(Stewie, MGM)
1 Stewie (Raffles)

[curiouskarmadog]

Dun Dun Dun...

Another one bites the dust....

M4yhem, Townie has been KILLED.

jesus, we are at deadline again...

[curiouskarmadog]

jesus man, you do this in every game...I just finished reading that, how long did that take you to type..

there is a couple items I think I want to address, but it will require me going abck and rereading your reread, which I dont have time for at the moment.

one thing I noted I wanted to mention.

Says the SK would probably get rid of someone voting for MGM to try and frame him. Wouldn't the SK be trying to frame me instead since M4yhem's vote was on me. How does killing M4yhem sped up MGM lynch.

(Should have called CKD out on this, but why assume the SK is stupid enough to kill someone voting for a suspect, because its not very likely someone would eliminate a person voting for them as that would be suspicious, so why assume the SK would use that to frame if its not solid logic. Actually this is all WIFOM.)

I know, which was my point. The whole SK is trying to frame MGM was ridiculous on many levels...I dont think the SK would try to frame anyone...Think you might be missing my point on this post.

[curiouskarmadog]

well it must have taken you awhile...you have actually opened my eyes about somethings which will require a reread..so thanks for that

I cant say I understand that kill....I am sure it was used to frame MGM somehow..lets wait and find out how.

[curiouskarmadog]

Why are you convinced it was used to frame MGM? DeepSouth had two posts. The first post he FOSed you for something you didn't say in regards to the serial killer posting (you didnt correct him). And he voted Raffles for not having posted yet. The second post he unvotes. No connection to MGM whatsoever, why bring it up?

You just did that reread and you dont know I am joking? I never thought the SK was trying to frame MGM. Kinetic is the one that said that...I thought that was crap....It was sarcasm, mostly poking fun at Kinetic who spun the last SK kill as the SK trying to fram MGM..

[curiouskarmadog]

Sorry, I spent most of the night awake and my sarcasm detector is not at all functional in the wee hours of the morning. What is the point of joking about it though?

its cool sarcasm gets lost over the net sometimes..

I joke as more of a jab to Kinetic

(still in a reread)

[curiouskarmadog]

Stewie: yes, I understand what you were saying. I did every single post because it helps me understand stuff. I would, however, like to hear your opinion of everybody still alive, if you don't mind.

CKD: I get that it was a jab at Kinetic, but what did you hope to gain from it?

honestly I didnt want the town to forget it (Kinetic's silly thoery that sounded like a defense for MGM).

[curiouskarmadog]

DeepSouth is killed mercilessly by the Serial Killer!

Which is nice because I was having a helluva time finding a replacement for him.

He was a Townie!

VC:

3 HazzelQ(Kinetic, MGM, Stewie)
2 MGM (CuriousKarmaDog, HazzelQ)
1 Stewie(Raffles)

if this thread does not pick up, we will all be picked off one at a time..

[curiouskarmadog]

Oh, and one more thing, since MGM asked for a vote from all the non-voters, I'd just like to ask each person voting to individually explain why they're voting whomever they are voting (yes I know you all probably have already, but, please, humor me on this) and also explain who they think is most probably the serial killer and/or mafia members.

been doing some rereading in the game....after reading this post and trying to form a case I find myself thinking that it is not that strong

unvote MGM

I feel like MGM and Kinetic are buddying up to each other...but in the reread it seems like Kinetic is mostly buddying up with MGM (however MGM has had his comments defending Kinetic)...I think that one of the two is scum...but through out the game my biggest problem is actually with Kinetic's play over MGM's....now, it would be silly for me to post a PBP after MGM's, but I think I might have too to display my case...I dont have time at the moment, but I know that we are on a deadline so I will try to get it as soon as possible..

the short of it is, Kinetic seems to be defending and buddying up with MGM..almost like he is mafia and knows that MGM is town..if MGM comes up town, then this might give Kinetic some town cred...

However, I do not think that mafia is our biggest problem right now...that SK is popping us off...(which is a problem for both mafia and town)....I would like to see the MOD say I have prodded so and so...so I can get a clear picture of who is lurking and who isnt...this might take a little metagaming...so I will jump on that first, then look more closely at Kinetic.

[curiouskarmadog]

Sorry about not getting an actual first post in yet; I've had some issues with my computer. I'm on page 6; so far, no one seems extremely scummy. CKD is acting... strange.

strange in page 6??..how so?

[curiouskarmadog]

so we are going to Lynch Hazzle? Cant say that I agree..Hazzle you have anything you would like to say?

[curiouskarmadog]

for the sake of conversation (and understanding on my part)...what are the cases against HazzelQ?...why are those voting for her, voting for her

[curiouskarmadog]

so I guess my real question is are the people voting for Hazzel voting for her because she is mafia or because she is the SK. Personally I think we need to find the SK immediately. How do we do that? I do not know (first time in a game with a SK)....Mirth, in the huge PBP did anything stick out that was SK like?

I see both sides of the No lynch arguement for this game. I see MGM point (which I think he means, it will be hard to win if the SK is not killed and the only way to do that is to lynch)...however, I am with Mirth in the fact that I do not want to lose another townie..we have to make sure Hazzel is the one to hit, for when we lynch we are essentially losing two people (because the SK gets another kill)...at the point, I do not think Hazzel is our SK...so I am against this lynch!

I am still in my reread (with a new interest in who could be the SK)...hopefully I will have something in the next 24 hours...

[curiouskarmadog]

Again you are twisting my words around..another scumtell.

I said I think we should lynch the SK..I do not think it is possible for Hazzel to be the SK..simple as that...if we lynch now and we do not hit the SK (we lose two more people from the pool) Why dont you think it is important to look for the SK now Kinetic?

[curiouskarmadog]

Is CKD... defending HQ because he might be mafia?

Wow...

also this is interesting...if we lynch Hazzel and she comes up town...what then?

[curiouskarmadog]

then you are either short sighted, foolish, or the SK.

our focus should be the SK...of course I want to lynch mafia..but again, if Hazzel comes up town...what then?

[curiouskarmadog]

If she comes up town, yes, that sucks. Wanna know what is worse? A town that is paralyzed and refuses to lynch with a DAYKILLING SK loose! One whose Daykills refresh weekly! At this point we need to stop with the crap and start with the lynching.

If you think HQ is town: EXPLAIN WHY!

If you think you have a better choice for SK: EXPLAIN WHY!

Don't just say "o no, he might not be, we should wait guys until the SK kills again..".......

when we lynch, that Daykilled is really sped up isnt it?

I dont think that Hazzel is the SK because she a.) didnt know this game was going on until after the first Daykill and b.) she was having problems posting here in general. If you actually read the thread you would know this…

I think you might be the SK or at least scum!

Vote: Kinetic

Your lack of desire to find the SK immediately. You appear lynch hungry. You have seemed to attach yourself to MGM. You assumed the SK was trying to frame MGM? Your overall play in this thread is scummy. I think this is our best bet for a lynch today…Especially if Hazzel is lynched and come up town.

[curiouskarmadog]

And your twisted defense of HQ is noted CKD. If he does come up teamscum we know who his partner might be.

again with the words in my mouth..I have not defended Hazzel..hopefully the town notes you are trying to set me up for something...

that being said, SK feel free to pop me off next Daykill...I think once the town sees I am town...much of this conversation will be telling. Matter of fact I dare you to Daykill me!

[curiouskarmadog]

I'm pretty sure I've been against CKD/HQ this entire time. And I have no problem with lynching CKD if we can get it done before Sunday... But at this rate if we don't lynch SOMEONE this Sunday we are going to lose. Either to the mafia or the SK. There are 9 people left, 3 of who are mafia, 1 who is the SK. That basically means that if we don't lynch this Sunday and the SK doesn't hit a Mafia, then the mafia will basically control the vote and can start hunting the SK for the virtual win. That is what makes me even MORE scared that CKD is mafia. He has all but admitted that HQ and him are mafia, but says we should avoid that because the SK is still around. Well guess what, for the mafia the SK IS the biggest threat, but at this rate the Mafia may be a bigger threat to the town than the SK...

what? I have admitted Hazzel and I are mafia? TOWN IF YOU DO NOT SEE KINETIC FOR WHAT HE IS YOU ARE BLIND!? He is trying to prod me into voting someone...I do not think Hazzel is the SK..we need to hit the SK immeidately..it is just logical...the game is called "countdown" for a reason....I think Kinetic is the SK (or at least mafia)...did you see his reaction once I placed a vote on him...now he is out and out lying..trying to push a case against me....

that is why I am daring the SK to pop me off next....find out my alignment...SK, you want to push the town one way or the other..KILL ME...I would rather the town not lynch me today, and use the lynch toward someone that might actually help us fight the scum...like Kinetic.

you have got to see what I am talking about...please read his posts.

[curiouskarmadog]

when we lynch, that Daykilled is really sped up isnt it?

If we continually derail lynches the only person who wins is the Serial Killer. Lynching is the only way the town gets concrete information.

This together with post 299 -->

Unvote: HazzelQ; Vote: curiouskarmadog

You don't actively discourage lynching if you're town. Especially not when the mafia is such a threat compared to the SK.

I discourage a lynch if it is town...I do not believe the case against Hazzel

[curiouskarmadog]

Right now, if I had to choose, I would say that the mafia are:

HQ, Raffles, and CKD
and the SK is either Stewie or Mirth

again, making assumption by leaps and bounds....
again no mentioned of your host body MGM...

[curiouskarmadog]

fake eidt:

Right now, if I had to choose, I would say that the mafia are:

HQ, Raffles, and CKD
and the SK is either Stewie or Mirth

again, making assumption by leaps and bounds....
again no mentioned of your host body MGM...

[curiouskarmadog]

bold are my responses to Kinetic's crap

CKD, stop calling for yourself to be killed. If you

were

a townie as you claim that would be a bad thing, no? I'm sorry, I don't believe you.

if I am scum, why do you care? Please tell us why you care if a goad the SK into killing me.

I realize you seem to have trouble with the english language. What I said is you have done everything except admit you two were mafia. But to me, all the signs are there. Also, if you are a townie, stop talking to the town like you are not a part of it

Nice insults, seems the more pressure that is on you the uglier your play gets

I am not lying. I have explained everything I have seen to the best of my ability. Stop calling me a liar just because you have trouble understanding grammer.

yes, yes you are..more insults..good for you

And what part of my case am I lying about? You are actively discouraging trying to find mafia! You are actively discouraging lynching!

Now that you have moved your votes away from Hazzel, we are that much further away from a lynch, who is actively against lynching now? please show me where I am actively discouraging trying to find mafia? THIS...IS...A...LIE. Unless you are saying that you know HazzelQ is mafia? How do you know that Kinetic? Are you trying to sacrifice one of your own?

And Mirth, its this simple, I am willing to lynch either CKD or HQ. I prefer CKD and if we CAN get a lynch going on him before deadline then I would like to go with that. If we can't, I know we can get a lynch on HQ. I will be around and will switch my vote back if so. But I would like to see how far this will go first.

I want everyone to remember Kinetic was strongly pushing my lynch!!! The SK is going to kill someone...why do you care if he hits me Kinetic? If you lynch HazzelQ and the SK hits me...then your proposed scum group is gone (uh oh Kinetic, looks like your arguement has hit a wall)....I want the SK to hit me, so the town sees you for what you are...I would rather the town lynch scum today..not lynch me.

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD: I'd like you to go back to the case Stewie made against HazQ. Why do you not believe it?

let me review it again...what is the post number?

[curiouskarmadog]

They weren't meant as insults, and I tried to pick my wording carefully as not to be seen that way. I'm serious, I've noticed many grammar errors in almost all of your responses and it makes me think that english is your second language is all. I could go back and document them all, but I think that would be insulting.

Please go back and document all of my grammar errors, the only thing it will show is that you are willing to go the extra mile to a.) point out meaningless information to detract (or deflect) from actual scum looking b.) be a dick. I do not proofread that much, so what? I don’t pour over my own words like you because I do not have anything to hide.

You keep calling me a liar and that is not the way it is >>. You're insulting me by saying that and I keep trying to show you I'm not "lying". We have differing opinions, and someone might be wrong, but that doesn't mean they are lying.

You are lying. You state I am not trying to find mafia. That is a lie. Not an opinion. An opinion would be “it looks like to me that you are….” The only thing I said is I think it is more important to find the SK first! You are trying to get the town to believe your crap. Personally I am beginning to think HazzelQ might be mafia after all with you. That is why you are trying to get the town to believe I am not scum hunting…because you already know Hazzel is mafia.

And both MGM and myself will be here before Saturday. If no lynch on you happens before then, then we can easily change back. I would like to see how far this is going to go. We are still effectively at town day one with no lynch and we are almost at LYLO! That doesn't bother you?!

Of course it bothers me…it bothers me because we need to eliminate the SK now!!! I do not think HazzelQ is the SK. Why do you think we are close to LYLO? Because of the SK. Also I like how you are speaking for MGM now. Almost like you are a unit. MGM, care to comment?

You continue to say that we should only target the SK, call me the SK but you then say you think I'm in the mafia with MGM. You can't have it both ways.

I think you are either or. I think your lynch should be a higher priority than Hazzel’s, because there is a high probability that Hazzel is not the SK. You on the other can are either or. Both will help the town.

And you goading the SK isn't going to influence him to do anything. You'll just be creating a WIFOM situation that is honestly just annoying to read.

If you die and come up town, its WIFOM. If you die and come up scum, its WIFOM. If you die and come up SK... well that would be quite humorous if the SK did the killing....

That doesn't change my opinion. I think you are scum, and I think HQ is also scum. Simple as that. I willing to vote either of you right now, and at this point I don't think there is much that can convince me to vote anyone else before the looming deadline.

How do you know that my goading the SK will not influence “him”? You are speaking for the SK too? Again, if the SK is going to kill someone..kill me. At least this way the town know who to attack next.

Personally I think you know that I am town.

And finally you say you are only going to vote Hazzel or myself…interesting..now you prefer a no lynch to myself to Hazzel getting lynched? Now you are being hypocritical...

Town, we have 4 scum left (3 mafia and 1 SK)..we need to lynch someone today, and I think it is important that we hit the SK. I do not think HazzelQ is the SK, however, after Kinetic’s play the past two pages, I think Hazzel could be scum, so I will be willing to lynch her. I however, think that Kinetic is either mafia or the SK..I think this should be our lynch today…

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD, you know as well as anyone else that the SK has no intention of helping anyone by taking your dare.

Again, you are speaking for the SK...the SK should be trying to hit mafia now...not lurkers or town

however, if he has a desire to hit lurkers or town, please hit me...this way the next lynch will be Kinetic...I am town, once the town knows this, they will see that Kinetic was strongly pushing my lynch.

MGM and Kinetic...if you are so sure I am scum...why you do care at all if I am goading the SK to kill me? Wouldnt that be one more "scum" off your list?

No, I think you two know I am town...and you would rather the town waste a lynch.

Please anwser this time. Why do you care if I goad the SK to kill me?

[curiouskarmadog]

THIS...IS...A...LIE.

That quote reminds me of Professor Umbridge from the Harry Potter books. You really don't want me to make such connections by saying stuff like that.

And if you still believe we should go after the SK with the mafia standing ready to overpower us, I don't see how it is possible to win...

ahhh, so you are saying you want the SK to stay alive until he kills more mafia?...if you really think I am mafia...

WHY DO YOU CARE IF I GOAD HIM THEN?

[curiouskarmadog]

It sounds like a ploy to come across as town and I care because I know that goading has the opposite effect: the SK won't do it. He doesn't care much who dies, but he can cause both me and Kinetic a lot of grief if he doesn't do it.

Wow...

Again you and Kinetic are buddying up.

Again you speak like you know what the SK will do.

If you say the SK wont do it, wont that make him do it?

So do you want me gone because you think I am mafia..or you just do not like my playstyle? What kind of "grief" am I causing you?

man this post is a huge scum tell

[curiouskarmadog]

MGM: so you're saying we should keep the SK alive for now? Why exactly?

9 people alive: 3 mafia, 1 SK and 5 townies. If the SK dies, there's a significant chance of the town losing to the mafia because all it takes is two wrong lynches. Allowing the SK to stay alive means he can (willingly or not) kill off mafia.

If he leaves too much mafia alive, the mafia can gang up on the SK with their collected votes and kill him for the win. (Especially, if they can convince a few townies to join in).

best you better be sure where your vote is...

[curiouskarmadog]

CKD: Just isolate Stewie's posts. It's the last one he made.

I meant to address (or reread this today) but got side tracked by Kinetic's posts..I will hit it tomorrow

[curiouskarmadog]

OK raffles, let me look again...bold is me.

Since you asked, and HazzelQ doesn't understand, I'll reiterate what I said last page (ie: my case against HazzelQ).

1. HazzelQ makes a comment which only scum would say, namely she says that we can afford to lose a townie. Someone who is pro-town would also be a townie, and would therefore not say that we can afford to lose a townie, since the same argument could be used against them.

Stewie has a point, this is a scummy thing to say...what is the post number on this so I can look at Hazzel's post?

2. She explains this by saying that she confused this game with another game. Fair enough, except...
3. She does it again, this time saying she should RC. Once again, she apologises right after, claiming that she confused this game with another. I don't believe a townie would be careless enough to confuse the games in such a manner twice, and therefore I believe she is scum. Not having the townie PM, she forgets that there are no power roles.

this is a stretch I think. I think confusing games could go the other way too. She could have a boring townie role here, so she really is not following the thread...

4. Saying that she confused the games before anyone else picked up on it only means that she noticed the mistake before anyone else did, so it's a null tell.

I am in another game with Hazzel and I am not impressed with her playstyle, content (or lack thereof), or comments. I do not think this case against Hazzel presented by Stewie is enough. That being said, I think the way that Kinetic has presented himself the past two pages indicates to me that a.) Hazzel might be scum and b.) Kinetic knows Hazzel is scum. I would rather place my vote on someone who is scummy and could be mafia OR the SK (Kinetic). I do not think there is anyway Hazzel could be the SK. However, I will vote Hazzel if needed before deadline...I strongly suggest we lynch Kinetic instead. But know, once we lynch the SK will strike again unless we hit someone that has potentional to be the SK...

[curiouskarmadog]

when do we think the SK deadline is? A week for Pooky's post?

[curiouskarmadog]

Just Sunday. Thinking about a time is cutting it too close.

and where exactly is your vote?

[curiouskarmadog]

On you. But I fail to see how that is relevant.
You asked when the deadline was, so I told you.
Let's talk about the people who are stalling by not voting AT ALL.

ahhh, but a majority is needed to have a lynch at all...so if someone votes you...then lets say someone vote mirth...it is still a no lynch..

pretty much someone needs to put forth a case..

I have plenty of times against Kinetic...I feel like this is the smartest lynch right now.

[curiouskarmadog]

Discussion would be good if it can be sparked. I still would really like to hear something from Hazzel before the mod officially declares him dead. I would also probably like to hear a suspicion list from everyone, since one of us will also be joining Hazzel in the land of the dead when the mod appears.

here is mine:

CKD - i think he is mafia. the arguments with kinetic make me think this.
Kinetic - i think he is mafia (or possibly the SK), but my theory may change depending on what Hazzel comes back as. i don't like most of his game play.

well I cant say I understand why you think I am scummy, but at least can you at least pop off Kinetic first? And if the SK takes my bait and kills me (and I come out town)..what will you think then?

[curiouskarmadog]

good job Kinetic...I was totally certian that you were the SK...

[curiouskarmadog]

my "big" read was that Kinetic was buddying up with MGM, for it really seemed like they were..why was that?..also, I didnt really think the SK would Day kill me.,,at least not when I was goading him.