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[SirWario]

Vote:curiouskarmadog

I'm curious how Adam will explain it. Theres nothing he can really say to vindicate himself from this accusation except something to the extent of "I'm not scum".

We just have to decide which role is most likely to use this ability.

[SirWario]

Yeah, no lynch is really never good. We just go into day 2 with one less townie. Power roles can use their night abilities, but they don't know who to use them on due to no suspicious activity.

[SirWario]

Yeah definitely agree with ryan. I think pdcakes, right now, doesnt understand that day 1 usually needs more discussion before we decide on a lynch candidate. I think his impatience is more newbish rather than scummy.

[SirWario]

Theres definitely no bandwagon on Twomz at the moment. If thats considered a bandwagon, then 7 other people also have bandwagons on him. Though, suggesting a No Lynch can lead to an easy wagon that scum will eagerly join to draw suspicion elsewhere.

[SirWario]

Using the argument "I'm suspicious of you for people not attacking you for it" to attack someone is stupid to me.

[SirWario]

Just because I said it "can lead" to a wagon doesn't mean it has to. I never said its entirely normal. I was just saying that I don't like paradox's argument against Twomz. You shouldn't have a case against someone for others no having a case against that same person.

Anyway, Twomz was just saying it was one of the options(which I don't agree with). He wasn't really pushing for a No Lynch, so there was really no need for a wagon.

[SirWario]

Ha, it looked like you were admonishing yourself by attributing Aimee's quote to yourself.

[SirWario]

I really haven't seen anything too supicious yet. I'm not really seeing pdcakes as scum right now. Everyone is using his remark "I would choose Adam to lynch to find out if the note was true." To me, it appeared he suggesting an alternative to random lynching with the idea that random lynching consists of choosing someone haphazardly with no evidence at all(this is where I saw his newbiness come into play). He didn't seem to grasp the concept of discussion and using it to find the most supect. He thought if we're going to lynch someone random, then why not choose adam and find out if the not is true.

GOW, nearly everyone still has their random vote on. The only real votes are yours and twomz on pdcakes.

[SirWario]

God and king both describe me quite well. Either's fine. Perhaps MaestroWario?

[SirWario]

Sorry I haven't posted in awhile, I just haven't had anything worthwhile to say. I'm fine with posting top suspects, discussion has lagged recently anyway.

[SirWario]

To all games:

Due to extending circumstances, I will be unable to post in all of my games from saturday until tuesday evening. I promise to catch up promptly upon my return and post something substantial.

[SirWario]

I'm back, attempting re-read.

[SirWario]

Most suspicious:
Thin man/ sir wario:
After reading all the posts the thing that stood out the most to me was thin mans vote of wario in post 57. There is no explanation of this at all. And when prompted by Aimee in post 71 to explain thin man says he wont. But after that his vote on wario was not mentioned again. by Anyone. It really bothers me how no one commented on it especially wario. I know if someone voted me then i would want to know why.

The reason I never addressed Thin man was because I simply assumed that his vote was random. He gave no explanation so I didn't think much of it.

Anyway, my top suspect is Paradox. He Fos's Twomz for the no lynch propsal, then later upgrades to Hos when no wagon builds on him. This lack of vote leaves him open to say that he scolded Twomz, but never joined a wagon. It also, freed him up to hop on any growing wagon if supicion did augment towards Twomz.

Unvote,Vote:Paradoxombie

I really don't mind him not participating in the suspicion list. I'm having a hard time picking out two other supects myself.

[SirWario]

Para's vote on Twomz was long overdue. He's been suspecting him the whole game. Its no suprise he voted.

Para, it's about time you showed some conviction.

[SirWario]

With the dealine in three days, we really need to get a game plan together. Something to expedite discussion. I really don't have any ideas though.

[SirWario]

At the moment, I believe the most damning evidence lies on Paradox, but I am willing to change to achieve a lynch at deadline or if someone else acts scummier.

[SirWario]

At the moment, I believe the most damning evidence lies on Paradox, but I am willing to change to achieve a lynch at deadline or if someone else acts scummier.

right now, the vote leader is pdcakes, how do you feel about him?

Just did a quick read on pdcakes posts only and literally more than half of his posts are using the same defense against the same argument. About the "I would lynch Adam if we are choosing randomly." I still think that was a newb move, but I find his more recent posts more scummy.

[SirWario]

GOW, I thought you would only vote for pdcakes or ryan at deadline. You seemed pretty confident that pdcakes was scum and as soon as the wagon deteriorated, you hop on Twomz. Any more explanation?

[SirWario]

Ryan, would you prefer Para or Twomz?

[SirWario]

This is ridiculous. Aime, you've been lurking the entire game never voting or FOSing anyone until now. You talk about how lynching is crucial and twomz is trying to get a no lynch to save pdcakes. Then, you vote to tie Twomz with para that will lead us to a no lynch. You're explanation is bad too.

Ryan, I wouldn't even mind you starting a wagon on Aimee. But you should break up the tie if necessary soon.

[SirWario]

I would go for an Aimee lynch, but I doubt it would build enough momentum in time for deadline.

[SirWario]

Don't give Para complete amnesty, yet. That move was pro-town, but when you're someone with nothing to lose you wouldn't mind trying it to look more innocent. It eases my suspicion of you. However, I'm still not completely satiated. I will contemplate whether I want to lend my vote to the Aimee cause instead.

[SirWario]

well, do you feel that the note (adam's) could be correct?...if so, what do you think "wary" means?

"Be wary" implies you have some bad role. If you know the note about you is false, then why would you even consider the note about simenon to be true?

[SirWario]

Wary is usually used to mean something like be cautious.

[SirWario]

@SirWario - Do you have any thoughts other than your opinion as to what "Be wary" means?

Yes, I'm going to my top suspect from yesterday. Paradox was cleared because he unvoted Twomz. If you're town, why would you have yourself lynched instead of the player you thought was scum? You were the one pushing Twomz yesterday(its proven now that he's town). It seemed to me that your noble move was made by someone with nothing to lose in order to look better in the town's eyes.

Vote:Paradoxombie

[SirWario]

Why Para want to get himself lynched over the person who he suspected all day yesterday? I felt his move was just a ruse to look pro-town. He had nothing to lose because he was already on the chopping block so he went for the whole martyr image. Thats at least why I'm suspicious of him.

[SirWario]

I definitely don't think we should lynch someone only to find out the validity of the note. Keep it in mind, but use someone's behaviour to vote for them instead.

[SirWario]

Jesus, you guys really got with the posting while I was gone. I really don't want to claim, but at this point I feel I have to. I'm a townie with a note ability. I have no inside information so my notes were only intended to spark some discussion. This is why Simenon shouldn't be lynched over the note because they are simply random. Though my remark about CKD was because I got a bad vibe from his posts on day 1.

Now I really don't like CKD's claim. I think his claim is only meant to relieve pressure off himself. I doubt that I was so lucky as to phrase my note "be wary" and it fits perfectly with his role as vigilante.

HOS:CKD

[SirWario]

Nope. I'm just a townie with the ability to leave an accusatory note.

[SirWario]

No, I get to choose what the note says and who it is about.

[SirWario]

So what is your rolename?

I don't really have one. It just says I'm a cowboy.

[SirWario]

I can defintely prove I wrote the notes tonight. What do you want me to write?

My 2nd note said be wary because I didn't want say somebody is scum again. Nobody would believe the sincerity of the notes if I repeated the same message. We wouldn't be able to get a read from the pressure put on people.

I'm fine with letting CKD live tonight. That way he can prove his kills. If he's alive tomorrow with only one kill, then we lynch him. If he's really the vigilante, he won't live after tonight.

[SirWario]

Well Twomz might have been our only doctor. So theres a good chance he won't be protected.

[SirWario]

ok: I am still unsure about both the claims.
While i am very suspicous of both wario and ckd I am going to switch my focus back to paradoxombie, who was my initial suspect today.

Vote: Paradoxombie

Why are you suspicious of me?

[SirWario]

I'm having a hard time figuring out IF SirWario is scum why he would admit to writing the notes so early and not under any pressure? I have a slight problem though with one thing about telling him what to write for a note, what if he's roleblocked? That is the only scenario I can think of that would make him look guilty IF he's telling the truth. Other than that I'm satisfied with the claim

If I was scum, there would be no need to claim. It was leading suspicion this way and that. I don't think a scum would want to ruin such an ability because it draws suspicion elsewhere. All WIFOM though.

wario: when anyone claims i always start out very suspicious of them (its a strategy i've developed because ive been fooled by false claims). While im less suspicious of you than ckd, the fact that you claimed under no pressure is bothering me.

Ok, but I felt that me claiming would stop people from lynching only to test the note. That would just waste time. Plus, I didn't believe CKD's claim at that moment. I had a hard time seeing that I guessed randomly, yet my description suits CKD perfectly. Now, with no counter claim I believe it more. Also, the theme is wild west, there should be at least one vigilante.

[SirWario]

I just played a game where the mafia could roleblock. Though, there were only 2 scum because of it.

[SirWario]

Why was you being lynched instead of Twomz better than you being lynched instead of Aimee? I still believe your first unvote was a ploy.

[SirWario]

But why would you vote Aimee? You never really showed any suspicion of her. You saved yourself with your tie with Aimee. But tried to sacrifice yourself with your tie with Twomz.

[SirWario]

Bah. I'll concede that they were different circumstances. But I still don't like that unvote on Twomz.

[SirWario]

Seriously, calm down GOW.

[SirWario]

SirWario, You haven't had much useful input recently.

Sorry, my internet hasn't been working. Its back, so I'll strive to post religiously from here on out. Anyway, all posts have been lagging recently.

[SirWario]

Actually scumday is an annual celebration of your membership to the site. So, in a sense Simenon has reached the tender age of 1.

[SirWario]

1. Paradox. I've stated my reasons earlier

2.ThinMan, pdcakes, and Gorgon to a somewhat lesser extent.

3.GOW,Para, and slightly Kabenon.

[SirWario]

May I throw your question right back at you, Ryan?

[SirWario]

Agreed on listing of town.

[SirWario]

It's hard to interpret someone's emotions from their writing. Some people's interpretations of a statement can be completely different.

[SirWario]

1: Who is our best lynch candidate? AND why?

2: Who do you believe is town currently?

3: Who gives off the biggest scum vibes?

Hey Gorgon, could you answer these questions as well?

How about you too?

[SirWario]

I'm starting to grow weary of the same arguments thrown back and forth between simenon and ryan/kabenon.

[SirWario]

Kudos, CKD. I was incredulous about your claim. That is partly why I claimed(also, to avoid a mislynch over the note). I'm still suprised that I matched be wary with the vig. I definitely believe your claim now, though.

[SirWario]

Kudos, CKD. I was incredulous about your claim. That is partly why I claimed(also, to avoid a mislynch over the note). I'm still suprised that I matched be wary with the vig. I definitely believe your claim now, though.

now you know where I was coming from...why I thought the notes were right on..at any rate, i think this topic will make for interesting conversation at games end..

wario, thoughts on Para?

I'll admit I didn't disagree with too many of his points. I still wasn't sure about your claim. However, looking at the grand scheme of things, Paradox looks even worse from that push. I was willing to give you a night to confirm. But he wanted to lynch you today. Plus, if he was scum, then he knew you weren't lying about your claim and wanted you out before tonight. I still believe he's todays lynch.

[SirWario]

I'm back. I still believe Para's our lynch. Para, hasn't said enough to satisy me and I believe he is just burying himself deeper with each post.

[SirWario]

Hmm, and I wanted to use my all powerfull note ability tonight. Damn, I don't think I would have gone after any of those scum except maybe Kabenon.