Blitz 2: The Stars My Destination Mafia- GAME OVER!

[PeregrineV]

ABR, Ika, and PV I expect the three of you to see through this scum bullshit and join me.

Game is too fucking easy, jesus christ.

Meh.

I'll give you 6 hours, since I have actual work today.

Vote: Friebringer

SCUM! HOW DARE YOU SCUM UP THE PLACE!

or something like that.

[PeregrineV]

Dang, this blitz thing made me miss my RV.

Vote: nosferatu

Blood-sucking wampyre.....




OK, back to bidness.

Vote: Firebringer

SCUM! SCUM OF SCUM SCUM!

[PeregrineV]

Ding!

Time is up.

Vote: Syrana

That looked like some sort of weird justification post for what is essentially an RVS wagon.

[PeregrineV]

essentially an RVS wagon.

I don't think it was an RVS wagon. The points against fire are pretty valid.

Which points are you talking about?

[PeregrineV]

Ding!

Time is up.

Vote: Syrana

That looked like some sort of weird justification post for what is essentially an RVS wagon.

No

He literally just put my points to words

So I'm scum too?

He (Syryana) took Firebringer's reponses to your posts, and claimed that Firebringer's posts were discrediting your posts. Assuming your saying that your posts contained your points, then your points were:

VOTE: FIREBRINGER

RVS OVER
SERIOUS VOTE

CAN I FUCKING DOUBLE VOTE YOU JESUS FUCK KEEP DROPPING SCUMTELLS YOU SCUMFUCK

I FUCKING SMELL THE BLOOD OF SCUM WHO DOESNT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK TO DO ABOUT GETTING CAUGHT SO EARLY

IT SMELLS LIKE PENNIES

DELICIOUS

FUCKING

PENNIES

YOU'RE LITERALLY TRYING TO PUT ME DOWN SO PEOPLE IGNORE ME, TRYING TO PAINT ME AS CRAZY

I SEE THROUGH YOUR SOCIAL THEORY BULLSHIT SCUM

VOTE THIS FUCK

THIS IS NOT A TEST, FIREBRINGER HAS LITERALLY DOEN THE SCUMMIEST STRING OF POSTS I'VE SEEN IN FUCKING MONTHS

lololol

At least your entertaining BBMolla.

God you're so fucking scum

Ingore this fucks attempts to downplay me. Firebringer town would be appealing to me at this point, or even ignoring me.

SCUM DOES DAMAGE CONTROL LIKE HE IS DOING.

HE IS SCUM I AM NOT VOTING ANYOEN ELSE TODAY THANK YOU

I don't really see how those can be backed up. At all. They seem like opinions, and very much of the random sort that starts off games.

[PeregrineV]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=23&t=63656

Go back to this game and read Kaito's ISO. AND Vedith's. Just literally look at their first 5 posts.

You now know how to catch scum early in the game.

Boom.

I can get doing that, but Fire's reaction of reacting to your all-caps doesn't strike me as scum reactioning.

[PeregrineV]

Realtalk: I wasn't joking when I voted Firebringer.

Really?

That's eleven by my count.

Firebringer's confirm was a scum post.

Discuss.

Discussion? Pfft. We're in a blitz game, we just wagon blindly.

VOTE: Firebringer.

Vote: Ranger

[PeregrineV]

>ignoring the other posts
kek
FoS: Peregrine

I'm letting the whole Molla/Fire thing go since Syryana later posts seem to be sincere, but, I have no problem breaking down bad arguements and why they are bad/wrong.

You can start with 278, but ISO Molla and Fire together and if you still want to discuss it, you can start with how those are NOT opinions.

Otherwise, we can move on.

[PeregrineV]

Peregrine, join the syryana wagon. After she flips scum, we will have all the precious towncred.

You should vote Ranger instead. I feel like he's much more likely to be scum than Syranana.

[PeregrineV]

What I want is people to explicitly say "I believe two roleblocking town players is plausible" before they opt for another lynch.

Because right now I think it's fucking dumb that people are lynching outside of DGB and Syryana.

(And I don't think Syryana is scum)

PEdit: Mala it's cute that you've been set on me for the whole game but I find it hard to believe that you have no other scum reads that you'd like to voice.

Don't be a one trick pony especially when you're wrong

Since they are cross-claiming similar but not exactly the same abilities, I think it's plausible. Given the claims, I'd lynch the RB over the JK, because JK has the protective aspect. Given the timing of Syr's claim, scum would be dumb to do that just to lynch a town PR. Given the timing of DGB's claim, kind of null on that.

Given that, would rather let them both live today and see who provides the best/correct info tomorrow.

[PeregrineV]

funny how the mason claim disappears when people start pointing fingers at molla by association

molla

: why did you let syryana claim he was masons with you twice?

Because I'm not a fucking idiot and knew it was obvious night kill bait
I'd have done the same thing

The way it was said is usually to indicate a strong town read on the player they are claiming "masons" with, not an actual claim.

[PeregrineV]

I think people who are saying shit like PV is saying are probably scum who realized that in DGB vs. Syr, DGB loses so they're trying to deflect it elsewhere.

Fuck that. The wagon is good.

I don't understand how anyone can actually believe Syr is scum.

More like give a night to resolve naturally. I want to say give them their targets, but I'm sure there is a better way to say it or control it.

I'm a fan of setups that have town countering each other. Since this is not a Normal game, I'm assuming it would be allowed.

[PeregrineV]

Not doing no-lynch and 3 hours left, but I might not be here.

Vote: DGB

@DGB

- Reads would be nice before thread lock.

[PeregrineV]

Blitz prod received.

Will read up today.

[PeregrineV]

Still catching up on page 33, but just saw the Firebringer IC thing. Wasn't he almost lynched day1?

[PeregrineV]

Hm. yeah I'm okay with that.

But I want reads from PV

@mod: Prod PV

Right now, like Talah & Fire for town

Mala &Molla prob town

Kid A (chamber?) Spiffeh, ika for null

Nose & Pig for nullscum

Ranger for scum

Strongest chance in the last three listed.

[PeregrineV]

Why the fuck are you so against PV chamber he's scummy as all fuck

Even if Pig is scum I'm not going that way today, don't bother

Scummier than firebringer, no doubt.

[PeregrineV]

Alright, that is awful.

intent to hammer

in 8 hours.

If you think I'm scum, you really shouldn't be waiting.

Here, I'll help you.

Vote: Pignash

Ranger tommorrow.

[PeregrineV]

PereV, explain ranger!scum for me?

I never liked the day1 RVS-vote-is-real thing when a "real" reason was never given. Given Firebringer "could" be scum, day1, it's merely suspicious, but not worth following up on given everything else.

Now we know Fire is town, all that crap looks even worse.

Haven't looked at the DGB vote yet, but I don't recall the reason she voted her, just said Syr was super-town or something, but being #5 of 8 to lynch is the perfect bus spot.

Frankly, most of her votes seem like that.

[PeregrineV]

Four Mile Circus Freak. It doesn't say neighbor, but it says I'm in a neighborhood with Spiffeh & talah. Which I am.

[PeregrineV]

I'll post the PTs in a little while.

Well done town!

Postgame questions:

- Did the 18 hours til prod, 6 hours to post afterwards rule seem reasonable?
- Would a 48 hour day have been preferable to 72?
- What about the 48 hour night? I thought it was better than 24 hours mostly so players could have downtime every few days.
- Is there anything about the format that you would change?
- My design plans were to make the game design a little more townsided than I ordinarily would because of the short format. I also set things up so that early mass claim would hurt town more than mafia. Was this a reasonable design choice? Why or why not?

Sure, it's a blitz game,so fast prods are good.

Actually would have preferred 96, but I'm just being greedy. Mon-Fri days and weekend nights, please.

48 hour nights are good.

If the only thing about the format is length of days/nights, then longer day phases. Still leaves it as a blitz game compared to 10-21 day Days.

Early mass claim will not take place in most instances. The reason it is bad in normal games is the same reason it's bad in blitz games.

I would have skipped the town-sided part. The pace of the games is faster, but the designs should stay the same as normal speed games. (unless you have designed your game aound the time used, like bankable days for early lynch, etc.)

I haven't looked at the design, but I enjoyed playing. Really wish I would have read the story prior to play, though.


Thanks for modding it!!

[PeregrineV]

Yeah it looked pretty fun over in your neck of the woods.

Ours was all srsbsnss and even then I was hard-townreading Pere just based on the fact I didn't think an identical fakeclaim would be given to my own role. Never seen that before.

So...
Optimal townplay is to just fakeclaim a bunch of bullshit to draw nightkills / confuse scum these days? Along with generally giving no reasons for reads, unless pushed, ofc.
What happens when the well of previously learned meta runs dry?

Egh I understand my reads were really bad this game but I'm used to games where scum can be determined by, y'know, trying to find inconsistencies in stated opinions, and motivations that are scummy.

It was fun being an in all-town neighborhood for once.

[PeregrineV]

That's why I never explained; there was literally nothing I could have said that Syryana hadn't already covered, so my posting would've been redundant.

I think I *kinda sorta* get you here?

I still think you could have explained your own train of thought which I guess you're saying you did.
Thing is that even if I 100% agree with someone I have my own way of arriving at that so usually like to provide some extra content to allow other players to read me as town and prove myself as town. It doesn't always work and sometimes I guess comes across as dross, but the players I came around to townreading this game were mostly players that were able to provide evidence of unique lines of thinking which also made sense to me. Small beer but the only incorrect townread I had was Pere when it comes down to it, and that was based on identifying his claim being identical to mine. I did say ABR seemed townie but that wasn't the specific reason I was defending the slot (it was the cross-claims and fear of mislynching a PR).

I only came around to townreading you when you provided exactly what I was asking for - reasoning. Explanation of what you were thinking.
I suppose I could have been gentler in the asking but you were seriously just sheeping without reason from my perspective.


((Pere you played a great game btw you bastard!))

Would have been better had I been sitting atop a pile of town bodies...

But seriously, these fast games lend themsleves a lot more to the read-slinging type of playstyle than actual analysis, like you and I like to do. I've been trying to rely less heavily on it, but it's a tough habit to break.

End the end, you won, your team won, and you learned from the game. That's the most important part.