Blitz 26: Maintaining Law, Order... (Game Over)

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: titus

lol wagons for the win?

[Lucky2u]

I highly disagree with calling out targets.

[Lucky2u]

I have negative feelings toward making plans against the game mechanics. I only accept conversations of plans if they can pass one question: "Can scum screw this up by being apart of it?"

The above plan fails completely because of course scum is not going to go along with it.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: Almost50

No lynch D1? You can fry.

Setup spec is common for Almost, and he's not pushing it, just talking out loud at this point.

so are you saying he does this often as town or as scum or as both? I don't have much experience with him.

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: lane

You're usually scum so...

[Lucky2u]

I highly disagree with calling out targets.

Can you explain why it would be bad in this particular set up?

I disagree with any plan in any game that attempts to game the setup. The simple answer is that with scum listening it's like trying to plan the landings at Normandy with the Germans listening. Even when I agree to the plans made by players during the day I usually don't follow them (as evidence by a recently ended town game of mine where I claimed vig and wasn't suppose to shoot at night at the command of other players but did anyway)

[Lucky2u]

I disagree with any plan in any game that attempts to game the setup. The simple answer is that with scum listening it's like trying to plan the landings at Normandy with the Germans listening. Even when I agree to the plans made by players during the day I usually don't follow them (as evidence by a recently ended town game of mine where I claimed vig and wasn't suppose to shoot at night at the command of other players but did anyway)

Again, you're talking of thing "in general", while we are in a very special case.

Let's say I announce targeting X and you announce targeting Y. We both get killed. The town had 2 suspects and one of them is scum for sure, bc while one of us might've died for the factional kill the other must've died for the PGO thing.

Now if you announce targeting Y but actually target Z, you're leaving the town with 2 suspects (X & Y) who could very well both be town while you dies for Z's PGO action. In other words, you'd be misleading the town.

Now NOT announcing your target, if we get 2 NK's we still wouldn't benefit from your death. For all we know, you could've targeted just about anyone in the game including the one I targeted (which would make them scum for sure bc they harvested 2 of us in one night), but we wouldn't know.

However, for the sake of argument.. how do you propose we play this out to give the town a better chance of winning? Let's say nobody announces their target, and we end up with -say- 3 NKs. Now what??

Nope, not a special case.

In your first scenario: How dumb do you think scum are? If I announce to visit target Y and you announce X, and one of the scum IS x or y, they'd be foolish to activate PGO and night kill the other. For exactly the reasons you've already stated, it shortens list of suspects to two people. Lets run through the other possibilities shall we?

Both X and Y are scum: This is the only case where NKing and PGO are a good idea. It's a gambit for sure, but if done right or late in the game could falsely confirm the other as town.

Niether X or Y are scum: We as town have gained nothing but we HAVE told scum that there is no need to activate your PGO tonight because it would go to waste.

One of X and Y are scum and scum are smart: don't submit a night kill, just activate your PGO. Scum kill less in the long run but they also save themselves from suspicion. This is the better option than submitting a nightkill and not activating PGO because the person who has announced they are visiting you might be the Cop or Jailkeeper and for obvious reasons PGO out come is best. Also if multiple people target you (as was discussed earlier) you get multiple kills.

Going to your second point, town liars. You already know how that screws things up.

Lastly, not announcing your target seems bad in the worst case scenario... but only in that worst case scenario. What about the best case scenario. Every town member targets a town player, the cop targets a scum player who (because we DIDNT announce our targets) doesn't think to activate PGO and we get a guilty, and/or the jailkeeper targets the other who also doesn't use theirs and we block the nightkill.

When you only highlight the bad outcomes it can make your plan seem reasonable, but I propose something FAR more radical to give town the best chance to winning this game: hunt the scum. It's a plan I am calling operation SCUM HUNT!

[Lucky2u]

too long since a post!!!

so can we not try to game the setup and let scum play at max efficiency?

[Lucky2u]

VOTE: almost

That may be l-1

[Lucky2u]

It's kind of hard to do that lane when noone wants to talk about alignment, they just want to talk about the mechanics of the game. I am fine with my vote eliminating the leader of that movement, since it only benefits scum to have distracted town with a plan that has no chance of working.

[Lucky2u]

I have some good reads why cant you, lucky?

I didn't mean to imply I have no reads. I'm willing to lynch almost for derailing scum hunting and suspicious self vote.

[Lucky2u]

Why are you voting titus instead of almost dwee?

[Lucky2u]

I am town and ranger is obvtown so yea.. no titus.

Yes perdivul for the self vote.

And you came off the wagon because he did what? Or is it only because you don't town read your fellow almost voters?

[Lucky2u]

Reading through Titus iso and Titus wagon makes no sense, but thanks for trying to make it happen. You can unvote him now.

[Lucky2u]

... I don't know if I've been insulted or not.

[Lucky2u]

Whelp I was wrong and look scum now. Meh. Chances of us losing have dropped drastically so whatever gets us to the win.

VOTE: pignash

[Lucky2u]

Just voting the majority. Unlike Anakin I realize when I have no ground to attack from.

[Lucky2u]

If you didn't think I was scum before, get ready for this:

I also forgot to submit a target. Checking with the mod to see who that means I visited.

[Lucky2u]

Now that I know that not targeting is a random result I may continue to do that anyway... My name is lucky after all.

[Lucky2u]

Aww... Thanks Pers. I like to think I'm a good host and wouldn't kill my buddies.

[Lucky2u]

[Lucky2u]

I targeted guilty lion n1 and ranger n2. I didn't choose a target night 1 because I forgot and I didn't choose a target night 2 because lol random. Also I doubt scum intends to activate their PGO if they even still have it until we claim targets.

[Lucky2u]

At this point we can lynch people at random and probably still win.

[Lucky2u]

I didn't choose a target night 1 because I forgot and I didn't choose a target night 2 because lol random.

So you already asked mod and got your answers for both nights? OK... noted. Thanks.

No, the mod actually sent me it right away at day start without me asking.

[Lucky2u]

Probably Lane. He is much more angry as town and doesn't seem to be playing that way. Too manipulitive.

LOL ninja by Lane to vote me. Ok Lane. Me first you second.

[Lucky2u]

Why do you want lucky dead?

He's not looking for scum.

20, 30 - complains about game breaking, doesn't scum hunt
63 - asks a pretty benign questions about almost and doesn't follow up on it
69 - votes you because "You're usually scum," same explanation I got from Ranger. That wasn't his RVS vote - that was on Titus, which was possible distancing.
81 - long argument against setup breaking, calls for scum hunting - doesn't scum hunt
95 - says let's scum hunt instead of setup breaking, but doesn't scum hunt
144 - L-1 vote on almost with no explanation
154 - more on setup breaking v. scum hunting
161 - it's not that he has

no

reads - he has exactly one
177 - against the Titus wagon. Not a smoking gun, as I thought it was a weak wagon too, but in overall context not a good sign.
239 - self conscious: "Whelp I was wrong and look scum now."
241 - Admits he's "Just voting the majority."
243 - self conscious again: "If you didn't think I was scum before, get ready for this: I also forgot to submit a target." Also, didn't submit a target.
247 - still won't submit a target.
309 - says we can "lynch people at random and probably still win."

This is all true. You should lynch whoever pers is talking about.

... Wait a second

[Lucky2u]

As far as interaction with titus goes, I didn't see much of a difference between you and lucky

Really? Not much of a difference?

[Lucky2u]

Pers is probably town btw.

[Lucky2u]

Well probably not ranger or guilty so... Let's day pisskop after you?

[Lucky2u]

I think it's a setup that leans itself to scum lurking. Activity reqs should be tighter like 12 hours.

[Lucky2u]

Well that wasn't expected

[Lucky2u]

So confused right now

[Lucky2u]

#Lane and Persi for the win

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[Lucky2u]

VOTE: Persivul

Let's move this along.

[Lucky2u]

Lane, come on man!

[Lucky2u]

Well it was good being town with you Lane. Even if you didn't trust me :p