Mini 520 - Triumvirate Mafia - ABANDONED

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Vote: YuanTi

For being a fellow sally player

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[quote="Mitzef]Triumvirate - Almost certainly must claim, unless they are a very good player.
Mafia - can choose to claim or not, completely WIFOM
Townie - really, really shouldn't claim. However, since there is no way (that I know of) to prove triumvirates, they could claim. [/quote]

Just saying that this completely sucks...completely. If I was mafia, I wouldn't claim using this table so....dum dum dum! NO RESULTS

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The claiming. False claiming will be easy, so our decisions shouldnt be based on role, but on play

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unvote

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@Phate 62. Bad Joke

@Mos 85. Bad Posting

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@Phate Post 94. I don't consider it to be a scum tell, but I've seen others who do, so I pointed it ou. Also, not adding content is not meaning less. For starters it can make the person over defensive, it can create initiative for the players to read the post, it can create a wagon which there would surely be scum on since it is an easy wagon. So yeah...I doubt its useless. Also, it was mostly what other people said. But if I don't say something, don't try to rinse it out. I probably didn't say it for a reason. And I hope that originality thing is a joke.

@Someone 95. What is scummy about them? Read other games, I lurk just as much in other games.

@Phate Post 103: Too agreeable? Didn't he say that he didn't agree with MoS a page or two back?

@Miztef Post 104: Does that make me scummy aswell? I rarely vote...very rarely. Also if being agreeable is a scum tell, you need to read your post. "I agree that agreeing is scummy."

@Phate Post 106: That post sounds wrong in so many ways. I read that post as "I know you are mafia because you cannot hide your mistakes, since you are new."

@Phate Post 108: Are you playing seriously? You shift from calling SJ scummy to calling Mitz scummy, then say that your argument is full of shit. Then make a really awful joke in the middle of your post, which I find really scummy. I'll even give you the reasoning. When you quote just the word bullshit, you are giving the town a general impression that his post just contained that, bullshit. Now since you only quoted that to make a bad joke, you are trying to give the town an impression that his post is bullshit

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Addition. In this page you have either subtly or openly called the following people scummy

Flying Hawk, Spider Jerusalem, Mitz, MoS. (FH and SJ in the newbie thing, Mitz just after you post and MoS by assosciating him with FH and SJ)

This game does not have 4 scum.

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@Mitzef 113. Then you still find me scummy as I also lack in voting. That's the hole I'm finding in your argument. Also, what would you say about the beginning of the game when he analyzed the lynch scenario? That was his analysis wasn't it? So he may be blending in at certain point (I can see from where you are getting this thought) but he hasn't been doing it everytime. He has taken initiative

Also, the bolding is good posting.

@Phate 115. But you are making a connection "Pro mistakes = could be not scum" and "Newbie mistakes = scum mistakes". That's what makes your argument flawed

@Phate 118. Ding Ding. Round 2

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I really think that most of the people on this SJ things are either over ambitious or complete hypocrites.

Looking at your post skitzer, what's new in it?

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@Skitz. I meant, hwat have you said that other player's haven't said?

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Phate, you are supposed to ride the bicycle forwards, not backwards!

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@Elmo. Simple. If someone is wagoning SJ, they are agreeing with what the starter of the wagon said. So they are voting SJ for something they are doing themselves.

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I didn't like the way he tried to sugarcoat his statements - tactlessness is a virtue. More importantly, I don't like the way he stayed quiet and then suddenly became active starting with a defense of MoS. Pretty sure I mentioned all this.

What the hell? SJ was active the whole game!

Oddly enough, that's exactly what he says here - the signup for a game which you're not in, and in which you have no reason to have read. I also highly doubt you just happen to remember what someone wrote in a signup thread back in May. Unvote: Miztef ; vote: Mastermind of Sin. DIE, PLEASE.

Not to protect MoS, but we did become acquaintances over scumchat...

As for MoSs play, the game i played with him on scumchat, he did get p/oed easily.

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screw the acquaintance part. Missed were he said he almost signed up.

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@Phate. Why not fos me aswell then? I was hardly active in the first few pages. He started posting long posts when he saw there was something he didnt agree with. I cannot see the scummy thing in all this

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Fine, you're on my suspicion list.

No, seriously. MoS is right - I think he's scum, and therefore, I'm likely to be suspicious of anyone defending him, especially if it looks like he's being ultratactful in order to stay on the public's good side.

Wait wait wait. Let me get this straight. You are saying that anyone that defends SJ is his scum partner or are you saying that "I think SJ is not scummy." is a very scummy phrase?

Either way, I don't agree with your post one bit, especially the part where you treat suspicions as though they are a triviality.

If you are saying that you find someone scummy, give reasons other than "because you defended SJ"

Meanwhile, I shall

Vote: Phate

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...on our town

I find that scummy

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...on our town

I find that scummy

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Actually now that I'm looking at it, I support a mass claim.

Look at it this way, people that claim vanilla won't be scared of being lynched, which decreases the possibility that mafia claim vanilla. If during the night we see triumvates being killed, we'll find it easier to deduct. Mean while during the day we lynch those that claim vanilla. We will lose townies, but for the mafia its a lose / lose scenario.

Also, Awol until thursday. 'D prefer if you didnt replace but it's your call

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In for the mass claim.

Also, Back

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[quote="Phate]I think it's good for town. The first bit is axiomatically correct, but I hadn't thought about the odds for success between powerroles. I think I know what the best claiming pattern for scum is (naturally, I won't mention it until after we claim), but I still think it's good for town. Being able to further narrow down who the scum could be is great. [/quote]

Yeah, you'd have to think about it before you claim right?

Also, for those saying that mass claim is not good. We will know where the mafia are hiding. They don't have enough time to think out where they want to go and knowing where scum lies is helpful.

Once everyone claims, if there are more than 6 vanilla claims, we can start lynching them. If there are 6 vanilla claims, we proceed to no lynch. The scum will have a kill, while we have a doc proc, rb, cop investigation and a day full of information behind us.

Apart from that, once the mafia start deducting the power roles in this game it'll be easier to single out. Sure, one may say that they will kill vanilla to wifom us, but even in that scenario, we have 1)Half a chance to hit mafia if we take the risk of lynching a triumvate + 2)6 confirmed townies.

I cannot what could out benefit a 6 player "mason" team in this game.

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@Elmo. We get 6 confirmed townies as the 6 triumvirates are townies.

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@skitzer. Lets say they claim in the worst case scenario for us. If there are two that claim triums, next day we'll be at a 2 trium, 2 mafia scenario, giving us a 50% hit. Meanwhile, we can guess at the mafia in the vanilla group. So while we're deducting vanillas, the mafia will be singling themselves out.

Also, with that scenario, if the triums claim which power they have we can guess who is lying easier. Why? If two people claim that they are trium roleblockers, if the real roleblocker dies, guess which one is mafia?

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I didn't get the ethics part? What is so unethical about a mass claim?

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I'd do either one, as I still fail to see what's so unethical.

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I cannot see why it breaks anything. As long as we win I don't care, but sure, I'm in for a massclaim not a ciphered one.

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Elmo, if the town doesn't lynch correctly three times, then we deserve to lose.

That said, mitzef nailed it. I love the plan

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@Elmo I cannot see why? We get a lot of information, mostly since the roles will be killed at random. ie, we have 2/3 chance of having a cop results from a more narrowed down number, so that already helps.

And what mitzef said

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@Elmo. Read above. If we mislynch 3 times, then we deserve to lose

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Perfect plan MoS. And then every scum can get away with claiming trium, just because he can and we'll have to take the safer path.

There is a very little chance that we get bad effects from the massclaim. 3 mislynches. I highly doubt that we will mislynch 3 times.

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No it is different because we get instead of wasting weeks on them one by one we get them all together and we can focus on less people.

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Why should i drop it if I still think its a beneficial plan?

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If you basically want me to shut up about it, I will. Though my opinion is still the same. I'm only pushing it because i think its the best possible plan at the moment, than acting it all out.

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No, because if we reveal it now we can deduct the scum from a much smaller group

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3/7 is approx 1/2.
3/12 is 1/4

Twice the chance of mislynching.

It is a much smaller group to me. But as I said, I'll drop it if you insist :/

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Ok, I'm sold. It's not a good plan. I take long to digest numbers

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I knew I'd be called out for back peddling. But 1) The numbers favour your case 2) Even if they favoured mine, I've got no back up so its better off that way.

Look at it this way. If I pushed the case, I'd be lynch. I backpedaled. Will I still be lynched? Looks like a lose / lose situation :/

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I hate posting just to say this. But it is he, skitzer. Thank you.

@SSF. That's when I got the numbers straight? If you explained the numbers before, I'd have posted before.

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No fret. A lot make the mistake

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Why am I scummy?