Gistou (Over!)

Titus · Post Post #775 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:07 pm

In post 768, MathBlade wrote:
In post 761, Titus wrote:@Math, You're confbiasing. You do that and you're very frequently wrong, regardless of alignment and you then scumread whoever disagrees.
How am I conf biasing here? I have suggested a theory of you three and potentially Nos on a different team.
Confirmation bias requires a history not just a suggestion when it was my catchup post.

Explain to me how Expedience is town. Because I do not see how me posting my catchup reads upon replace in confirms Expedience as town.

Expedience is town because you're centering the game around him being scum. That person you center on (Infinity in gunslingers for instance) is almost always town.

Then you try to place associations on the first day of D1, preflips no less.

These associations are those who disagree with you.

A Song of Ice and Fire · Post Post #776 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:08 pm

In post 775, Titus wrote:Expedience is town because you're centering the game around him being scum. That person you center on (Infinity in gunslingers for instance) is almost always town.

Then you try to place associations on the first day of D1, preflips no less.

These associations are those who disagree with you.

Wow I followed all of this really well..
I think Titus is town.

YAY!

~Dragonbringer

Expedience · Post Post #777 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:09 pm

In post 768, MathBlade wrote:
In post 761, Titus wrote:@Math, You're confbiasing. You do that and you're very frequently wrong, regardless of alignment and you then scumread whoever disagrees.
How am I conf biasing here? I have suggested a theory of you three and potentially Nos on a different team.
Confirmation bias requires a history not just a suggestion when it was my catchup post.

Explain to me how Expedience is town. Because I do not see how me posting my catchup reads upon replace in confirms Expedience as town.

Titus is defending me indirectly and saying that Mathblade is confbiasing implies that she thinks that both Mathblade and I are town. Yet she has never stated this.

mastin2 · Post Post #778 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:09 pm

triviaGrodens are the nightmarish mix of lions, wolves, and bears, thrown into one. They're not quite as fast or versatile as raptors, but they are easier to manage and less vulnerable to injury. However, they do not handle warm environments well. They are slightly better-suited for long-distance travel, but must take breaks to avoid overheating.

Fifth Votecount

:

Expedience - 7 (Stormblade, Cephrir, Nosferatu, Luna Fox, Klingoncelt, Mathblade, No Retreat)

rb - 3 (Expedience, Wayward Thinker, BBMolla)

Wayward Thinker - 2 (dramonic, Salt Squad)
Heartless - 1 (copper223)
copper223 - 1 (KuroiXHF)
Cane + Able - 1 (Titus)
Stormblade - 1 (A Song of Ice and Fire)

Not Voting - 12 (Heartless, Almost50, davesaz, Cane + Able, Tim, RAM, Lady Lambdadelta, rb, TheWayItEnds, Skybird, Toogeloo, Franky)

With

28

alive, it takes

15

to lynch.

Day 1's deadline is Tuesday, August 2nd, @ 9:00 PM PST: (expired on 2016-08-02 21:00:00).
At deadline,

Expedience

would be lynched.

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

Last votecount was post 739, page 30.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History Day 1

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 1

At this rate, I don't think I'll have enough trivia.

Wayward Thinker · Post Post #779 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:09 pm

In post 770, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 750, MathBlade wrote:
In post 729, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 718, MathBlade wrote:
In post 712, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 702, Cephrir wrote:
In post 694, Klingoncelt wrote:VCA
oh good i need to add to my wall of self-quotes about vca being shit
Titus is actually very good with VCA - if she's Town.

As Scum, her analysis is a load of wank.
This is an empty statement. What do you think she is now given her likely connection to Expedience I outlined? (Or rather Expedience's possible connection to her?)
I admit I'm cutting her some slack due to her illness. Plus you and I
always
scumread her, so I'm cutting some slack there, too.

Anyway, an Expedience flip would tell us some things, no?
I am cutting Titus specifically slack as there are possibilities in which Expedience is just a sheeping scum. What I am more concerned with is why Titus was avoiding commentary on the main wagon, Song's now push on you for your House/C+A read, and why people aren't looking at connected dots to try to see further into the game than meta. There are more than 20 pages. If you don't have something more than "meta" or "gut" my bullshit detector is going off. This is why I want to see Titus's response to how when I vote expedience I am somehow confirming them as town.

Just because you cut someone slack doesn't mean you don't ask questions and that you don't poke around and demonstrate crazy shit you see. It seems like right now those three have a hard on for a House/c+a scumread/lynch. If anything it means you do to see if you are crazy or not. And if I am crazy then someone will point out where it is crazy and not just "give Titus some slack".
OR...

It's after 2am my time, I've been running on 4 hours' sleep the past few nights, I'm in several other large themes, and this one JUST started.

I'm really not emotionally involved with it right now. By the middle of next week I should care more.

Damned unlikely that there will be a lynch before then.

Well, I Have said you are Scum before for using AtE just like this. I'm starting to think I need to move my vote. Would do it in a heartbeat if I wasn't hydraing with Suz.

Expedience · Post Post #780 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:09 pm

In post 775, Titus wrote:
In post 768, MathBlade wrote:
In post 761, Titus wrote:@Math, You're confbiasing. You do that and you're very frequently wrong, regardless of alignment and you then scumread whoever disagrees.
How am I conf biasing here? I have suggested a theory of you three and potentially Nos on a different team.
Confirmation bias requires a history not just a suggestion when it was my catchup post.

Explain to me how Expedience is town. Because I do not see how me posting my catchup reads upon replace in confirms Expedience as town.
Expedience is town because you're centering the game around him being scum. That person you center on (Infinity in gunslingers for instance) is almost always town.

Then you try to place associations on the first day of D1, preflips no less.

These associations are those who disagree with you.

Are you serious?

VOTE: Titus

Titus · Post Post #781 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:10 pm

In post 777, Expedience wrote:
In post 768, MathBlade wrote:
In post 761, Titus wrote:@Math, You're confbiasing. You do that and you're very frequently wrong, regardless of alignment and you then scumread whoever disagrees.
How am I conf biasing here? I have suggested a theory of you three and potentially Nos on a different team.
Confirmation bias requires a history not just a suggestion when it was my catchup post.

Explain to me how Expedience is town. Because I do not see how me posting my catchup reads upon replace in confirms Expedience as town.
Titus is defending me indirectly and saying that Mathblade is confbiasing implies that she thinks that both Mathblade and I are town. Yet she has never stated this.

I figured it was pretty direct. You know the part where I said all the wagons are sucky/meh too...

No Retreat · Post Post #782 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:10 pm

I don't think that makes Expedience town. I think you are terrible but even I don't discredit you that bad.

A Song of Ice and Fire · Post Post #783 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:10 pm

In post 780, Expedience wrote:Are you serious?

VOTE: Titus

Expedience, no. Bad Expedience.
That is a town titus post.

~Dragon Bringer

Expedience · Post Post #784 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:11 pm

Titus just got called out for indirectly defending me, and rather than make her stance more clear (since she could easily get away with saying that she was only slightly townreading me or just considering possibilities), she just doubles down on the read with terrible reasoning.

Klingoncelt · Post Post #785 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:11 pm

In post 772, Luna Fox wrote:Apparently being (Insert time past midnight) has become the go to solution nowadays.

Math and I are in different time zones.

Usually I'm up all night eastern time, but the lack of sleep is fucking killing me.

MathBlade · Post Post #786 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:12 pm

No. I am not "centering the game around him being scum". In my catchup post it was possible that Nos was plain lynch shopping.

What I do not like and what seems to not be addressed is the similarity in action and read of those three slots and why the play is so similar. What I am doing is asking questions to figure out what is going on and trying to see what if anything is wrong about my reads.

Therefore I ask again why is Expedience town? This time don't say because "MathBlade can't do a read properly" or "MathBlade sucks" (paraphrasing) and give an actual reason for your town read that you seem to have well before I posted my read.

davesaz · Post Post #787 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:12 pm

In post 770, Klingoncelt wrote: It's after 2am my time, I've been running on 4 hours' sleep the past few nights,
<snipped for clarity>

In post 772, Luna Fox wrote:Apparently being (Insert time past midnight) has become the go to solution nowadays.

Just a little comment now while I'm calm, to potentially avoid an explosion later. RL is RL, I expect people to be generally truthful about it, and I expect people to respect it. My RL statement are always true. End PSA.

Salt Squad · Post Post #788 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:12 pm

In post 771, Wayward Thinker wrote:
In post 234, Salt Squad wrote:
In post 233, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:
In post 228, Salt Squad wrote:I can't wait to be able to vote people ^__^

~Bee
who you wanna vote?

lets talk about our reads.

~Ice
Town
Cephir - Town posting and paranoia of town reads that are on him (classic mutliball town tell)
BBmolla - Scum doesn't randomly distribute potentially incriminating information in the first few posts of the game when they don't know if the will get town read.
Luna - Gut, I don't think Luna would be this active as scum because she isn't confident in herself as a player.
Fire and Ice - Fire is legit scum hunting using pretty good reasoning which isn't something I expect from a scum!firebringer.
Tim - Has good reads so gut.

Scum
Wayward Thinkers - Random information fishing early on to try and look useful was pretty sketchy and I don't think anything that was asked will lead to anything.
Expedience - Has lots of big posts but hasn't left any sort of impact on me which gives me horrible gut feelings.

Wayward Thinkers right now since Expedience is just gut.

Who do you want to vote and do you have questions about my thoughts on other players?

~Bee
OK, here you say we are Scum and say you have reasons but don't say what those reasons are.

In post 652, Salt Squad wrote:
In post 644, Cephrir wrote:
In post 635, Salt Squad wrote:Except it's Nos who usually lurks his ass off
if he usually does it, why is it alignment indicative this time?
Last time he was like this he was town in soccer spirits

LQ where is your rb meta from?

-sc
I won't say. rb can either confirm or deny, but if he denies I'm never taking my vote off of them.

In post 684, Salt Squad wrote:Probs to represent that all the votes are from scum aligned players.

~Bee
Seriously? Seriously? This has to be one of the worst analysis I have ever seen.

part 1) Is a misrepresentation I explained my read in the post you quoted.
part 2) Is meh
part 3) Is scum feeling victimized by a post that I made as a joke.

Lynch this slot please.

~Bee

Heartless · Post Post #789 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:12 pm

In post 763, Tim wrote:
In post 715, Heartless wrote:
Spoiler:
In post 701, Tim wrote:
In post 564, Heartless wrote:
On Tim, the scum read is mostly tonal based. Nothing they're saying is
technically
untrue, Molla likely did make a suboptimal play, but I think the aggression in Post 53 and Post 66 is slightly overwrought and they don't really feel appropriate as an immediate visceral reaction to Molla's claim. The fact that Antihero had the same feeling independently in his read-through gives me a little more confidence in my own intuition. (I'm also not a fan of the tone of Post 449, though I can't yet put my finger on exactly why.
How are those, Post 53 and Post 66, immediate visceral reactions? My actual immediate visceral reaction was the following:

In post 42, Tim wrote:/confirm

BB any particular reason you felt the need to voluntarily take yourself out of the can't-be-converted pool of people.
I would call the couple of posts that transpired between "context"

As for 449 I'm pretty sure my absolute disdain for luna which I was going to post crept in there, so maybe more invective is present than intended. But my priority at the time was to make that dialogue stop.

----

In that case against Expedience (which I ought to look over a couple more times) that first quote of me was indeed talking about Wayward Thinker and not BBm. Storm, despite being drunk when you wrote that, were you also drunk when you thought it up? (Asking to asses your state of mind at the time, not slighting the validity of the case).

I need to look over wayward thinker later posts.

I'm probably the nth caller at this point for Titus to explain why she thinks TTH is tryharding

Molla could you flesh out your reads a bit or are the scum reads of C+A and rb not more involved than "bad posts" gut reaction

"Immediate" was bad word choice, but my point was that it feels overaggressive for the conversation taking place.
(This post does too, by the way.)
Again, it's not like those posts (or my last) took place in a vacuum. Perceiving BBm to be willfully ignorant and then dismissive frustrated me. The posts that came before that that were part of the same conversation weren't particularly overaggressive, were they? It just doesn't seem like you took into account BBm's own tone and manner of his posts or thought of an alternative answer for "hmm, why would Tim escalate his tone here?" besides "scummy!". For the sake of completion if I perceive you to be misrepresenting me, the tone of my next post will be prone to be heightened above neutral (and honestly, I restrained myself last post)

oh how generous of you

In post 621, Heartless wrote:dont be a shitlord

No Retreat · Post Post #790 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:12 pm

I mean, like in a norma game its ok to think a scum player is pushing town but this is MB so even if you have a scumread on Math it doesn't saying anything about Exp.

Stormblade · Post Post #791 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:12 pm

In post 765, Titus wrote:I'm sorry... You're scumreading my biggest scumread, and claiming I am not actively applying pressure? Wtf.

I know!
What a world isn't it? Where two scumreads can also be scumreading each other?

In post 767, Salt Squad wrote:
In post 755, Stormblade wrote:Someone said beeboy (Salt) was scum and I agree. Actions and words are on different frequencies here.
Can you find me an example of this?

~Bee

I'll answer this question, but I'll let you know that I went through your iso to find specific examples and ended up a little less confident about this read.
You say you have scumreads and they need to die, but you're not actually acting on those words
You say you "aggressively have reads" and "scum players will try to match that" but I'm not seeing this aggression.

-errant

Salt Squad · Post Post #792 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:13 pm

MathBlade and Titus is town engaging town.

~Bee

Expedience · Post Post #793 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:14 pm

In post 716, Titus wrote:
In post 694, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 687, Heartless wrote:
In post 686, Klingoncelt wrote:I think Titus and the
House
heads are Town.
Tell me more about that.
I'll know more later on, but so far we haven't had Wake's Random Wall O' Bullshit, that's always a good sign.

Town House: Fuck you I'm not sorry.
Scum House: Could you go fuck yourself, please?

Titus' nitpicking tunnel looks typical of Town Titus. (Of course the best tell is her legendary Day 3 VCA.)
It's Day 4 VCA in a large. If you're going to call me legendary...Ewwww, then at least get it right.

Second, your house read looks semanticky.

@Math, thanks for confirming expedience as town. P.s. I do have thoughts on expedience. :-p the wagon is rather crappy.

I didn't see this post. Ehhh that kind of invalidates everything I said but I still think Titus is scum.

VOTE: rb

Titus · Post Post #794 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:14 pm

In post 782, No Retreat wrote:I don't think that makes Expedience town. I think you are terrible but even I don't discredit you that bad.

Yeah, you do Nero imo, but that's a discussion for another time. At least I am telling Math the problem rather than just saying they suck. They are not a bad player if they'd stop trying to fit everything immediately and observe/document the patterns for collaborative discussion, they'd be more effective and possibly easier to work with and correct wrong reads faster. Given I used to do that myself, i figured a direct approach is best.

Luna Fox · Post Post #795 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:14 pm

In post 787, davesaz wrote:Just a little comment now while I'm calm, to potentially avoid an explosion later. RL is RL, I expect people to be generally truthful about it, and I expect people to respect it. My RL statement are always true. End PSA.

I am aware.
But i've seen some ppl being scumread for (Insert post here) and then going "Sorry but i posted that at (Insert time here)". And is weirding me out.

Klingoncelt · Post Post #796 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:15 pm

In post 779, Wayward Thinker wrote:
In post 770, Klingoncelt wrote:
It's after 2am my time, I've been running on 4 hours' sleep the past few nights, I'm in several other large themes, and this one JUST started.

I'm really not emotionally involved with it right now. By the middle of next week I should care more.

Damned unlikely that there will be a lynch before then.
Well, I Have said you are Scum before for using AtE just like this. I'm starting to think I need to move my vote. Would do it in a heartbeat if I wasn't hydraing with Suz.

I don't do AtE. Never have.

Where the hell does it look like I'm using AtE in my post? Why would I need to on the very first day of a game when no one's voting for me?

Heartless · Post Post #797 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:16 pm

like.... i think tth tried to put words to a tonal read and thats always hard to do

but for me, my first thought when going over the whole thing was "ok, molla said that and whats done is done" and when the conversation started escalating i though "maybe posturing...?"

but i have absolutely no baseline to compare that too so i already know it's a weak read

p.edit: holy shit this was supposed to be followup to Post 789

Salt Squad · Post Post #798 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:16 pm

In post 791, Stormblade wrote:I'll answer this question, but I'll let you know that I went through your iso to find specific examples and ended up a little less confident about this read.
You say you have scumreads and they need to die, but you're not actually acting on those words
You say you "aggressively have reads" and "scum players will try to match that" but I'm not seeing this aggression.

I was immediately burned out when people saying that my game plan was a joke if you want me to be honest.
Sorry you lost that beeboy this game :/ I also am pretty warry of creating musical mafia again since I think I was posting like a complete idiot in that game.

~Bee

Titus · Post Post #799 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 7:17 pm

In post 791, Stormblade wrote:
In post 765, Titus wrote:I'm sorry... You're scumreading my biggest scumread, and claiming I am not actively applying pressure? Wtf.
I know!
What a world isn't it? Where two scumreads can also be scumreading each other?

In post 767, Salt Squad wrote:
In post 755, Stormblade wrote:Someone said beeboy (Salt) was scum and I agree. Actions and words are on different frequencies here.
Can you find me an example of this?

~Bee
I'll answer this question, but I'll let you know that I went through your iso to find specific examples and ended up a little less confident about this read.
You say you have scumreads and they need to die, but you're not actually acting on those words
You say you "aggressively have reads" and "scum players will try to match that" but I'm not seeing this aggression.

-errant

You mean three pages of me back and forth with them when I damn near have them in a scum slip and I am voting them does not count as acting on it? Do you need 20? For me to stop everyone else from scumhunting, fuck no.