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rb · Post Post #900 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:32 pm

@Expedience - In 818 you say Nahdia's case on you makes no sense. What about it makes no sense?

In 828 you say Salt Squad is being dumb. Why are they being dumb?

@Heartless - 868 are you reading Ceph as Null or are you reading Ceph as Town?

@No Retreat - Dave's honestly bypassed all my filters, can you briefly outline what you find scummy about him?

davesaz · Post Post #901 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:34 pm

@No Retreat: Is that Nero? You're just as wrong here as you have been in every game I can think of offhand.

davesaz · Post Post #902 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:34 pm

I'll do analysis tomorrow, after I see if any answers come back.

copper223 · Post Post #903 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:35 pm

In post 897, Heartless wrote:
In post 895, copper223 wrote:The expedience wagon is promising
it is?

i'm kinda' missing whatever everyone else is seeing on that and tth didnt seem to catch anything there either

what are YOU seeing in tit?

Expe is unusually flaily, whereas as town his posts are compact and minimalistic, he is spending far too much time justifying himself and appealing to other players instead of scum hunting, I don't understsnd his Luna read and the way he is pushing it seems fake.

No Retreat · Post Post #904 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:35 pm

dat discredit!

Wayward Thinker · Post Post #905 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:44 pm

In post 873, Titus wrote:
In post 861, davesaz wrote:
In post 832, Titus wrote:
In post 829, A Song of Ice and Fire wrote:I can't see why expe wagon formed.

people just voted him.

someone explain why they felt the aggression and calling so many people scum is scummy

~Ice
This is the short version of why Expedience is town aside from Math's push.
I found this and wanted to follow up to it separately. How is "people just voted him" an indication of town, in a multi-faction game? Or any game for that matter, wagons do form and sometimes they are on scum.
I'll admit this is a unique setup with multiple town factions, but I am supposing that town and scum still behave similarly and human = town. Wagons do form and on scum, but you're oversimplifying. Expedience is wagoned for unpopular opinions, but not ones that are scummy imho.

I agree with you here.

In post 885, rb wrote:578I can't stand 604 - as a general rule I zone out and can't be fucked dealing with meta and delving into other games. If someone wants to give a specific example from another game they can go and get it themselves. I'll still disregard it but it annoys me to no end to be told to go and look at another game. Explain your actions in THIS game without sending Town on a multi-game-interpretation circlejerk. Also the statement, "it's not important what my reasons are" is just setting Wayward up to make a whole bunch of shit reasons for reads and expect people to not question them. Sorry, not letting you do that.

VOTE: Wayward Thinker

OK, I have a few things to comment on this:

1) Yes, my reasons do not makes sense to other people. This does not, however, mean that I will not be giving my reasons anyways.
2) I am not at all asking you to look up any game, so I have no idea where you are getting that.
3) I am not the only person for this slot so as such, I will be talking over my reads with my hydra partner. Hopefully in the process, my reasons will be more refined and better understood by Ya'all.
4) Are you seriously disagreeing with me about not knowing what I am talking about when I say that the games I have hosted that you have been in you have been pretty much all business?
5) Your reasons for voting me a poor

I'm keeping my vote on you until I talk to Suz again or until Suz leaves for Vacation depending on what else you do this game.

Heartless · Post Post #906 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:48 pm

In post 900, rb wrote:@Heartless - 868 are you reading Ceph as Null or are you reading Ceph as Town?

null

right now i dont have any townreads

/blah blah blah it's great to townhunt, townblocks win games you should town hunt why dont you have any townreads what the fucks wrong w/ you blah blahbbkl;ajd;lkasjfd;lsajf;leajw;l3jwl;fjewa;jflk;ewajlf;kcdsamlkffj;lkdsajlkfdkjsafjdslka;jf;lkdsajflk;dsaf

whatever

bottom line: i think the most readable thing someone can do as town is post legitimate reads. which here... scum can also do. so until i get to the point where we have n number of flipped factions and i think "person x probably isn't scum WITH any of the flipped scum" i'm probably not going to have any real strong "townreads"

/aint multiball grand?

now, for practical and functional purposes, something i AM doing is adopting a mindset of "who do i not want to lynch IMMEDIATELY?" and ceph is in that group of people simply b/c regardless of what he actually is, he can be useful now

Luna Fox · Post Post #907 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:51 pm

rb one thing i dont understand is you spend a lot of time saying how exp's reads are fake yada yada yada, yet you end up voting wayward.

Heartless · Post Post #908 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 8:56 pm

In post 903, copper223 wrote:Expe is unusually flaily, whereas as town his posts are compact and minimalistic, he is spending far too much time justifying himself and appealing to other players instead of scum hunting, I don't understsnd his Luna read and the way he is pushing it seems fake.

my thinking is that scum dont need to fake reads so they're probably not going to

is this extrapolated from one-sided meta ... or what kind of body are you pulling from there?

copper223 · Post Post #909 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:04 pm

High and recent exposure of town meta, only second hand of scum meta; good point about multiball but this is also an OMGUS situation which may explain why it's coming across as if he doesn't believe what he is saying.

Heartless · Post Post #910 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:10 pm

i'll leave the vote here
VOTE: wayward thinker

the entrance was really wishy-washy around the Post 30 region and most of the stuff around there is safe and setup specy. suzune leaning on rb for the whole "percentages" thing which i never read as SUPER SRS anyway is also meh and nothing awesome's come out of that slot so ... plop

mastin2 · Post Post #911 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:20 pm

triviaAn endearing trait of raptors is their near-human intelligence, allowing for a high level of mutual understanding. An endearing trait of grodens is their fierce loyalty to their masters. An endearing trait of horses is...well, they won't rip your face off if they're hungry, and/or in a bad mood.

Seventh Votecount

:

Expedience - 6 (Stormblade, Cephrir, Nosferatu, Luna Fox, Klingoncelt, Mathblade)

Wayward Thinker - 4 (dramonic, Salt Squad, rb, Heartless)

rb - 2 (Wayward Thinker, Expedience)
Heartless - 1 (copper223)
copper223 - 1 (KuroiXHF)
Cane + Able - 1 (Titus)
Stormblade - 1 (A Song of Ice and Fire)
davesaz - 1 (No Retreat)
Titus - 1 (BBMolla)

Not Voting - 10 (Almost50, davesaz, Cane + Able, Tim, RAM, Lady Lambdadelta, TheWayItEnds, Skybird, Toogeloo, Franky)

With

28

alive, it takes

15

to lynch.

Day 1's deadline is Tuesday, August 2nd, @ 9:00 PM PST: (expired on 2016-08-02 21:00:00).
At deadline,

Expedience

would be lynched.

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

Last votecount was post 808, page 33.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History Day 1

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 1

Wayward Thinker · Post Post #912 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:22 pm

Does anyone actually have any questions for me?

~LQ

BBmolla · Post Post #913 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:31 pm

I wish

there was a forum for these large games

instead of one thread

so we could post topics like

"Bla bla's Scummy Behavior" and "Bla bla slipped"

just a quality of life wish

It's so hard to look at a giant wall of text and get 28 seperate reads for me.

@LQ: how many people are on your scumteam

rb · Post Post #914 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:32 pm

In post 907, Luna Fox wrote:rb one thing i dont understand is you spend a lot of time saying how exp's reads are fake yada yada yada, yet you end up voting wayward.

Unfortunately I'm not a double voter and I can't OMGUS them both at once

mastin2 · Post Post #915 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:36 pm

(Side-note, I do hope players are enjoying the trivia included in my votecounts. This style of VC was largely inspired by Varsoon's.)

rb · Post Post #916 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:42 pm

I think I covered it at 885 as to how much I disliked their posts. I have more questions for Exped but Wayward is my strongest scumlean. Exped is unhelpful and not at all giving goos reasons for his thoughts.

Wayward is doing the same thing on top of throwing in meta reads (which I dislike) and also the fact that he calls it a pressure vote but then also insists they refuse to remove it if I don't do some specific thing is scummy af to me.

Pressure votes are what you do when someone isn't giving content, tunnel votes are what you do to your strong scumreads.

So why's he tunneling if it's just pressure?

Wayward = scum imo.

A Song of Ice and Fire · Post Post #917 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 9:43 pm

I like rb's post

nice to meet you sir!

~Ice

Wayward Thinker · Post Post #918 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:10 pm

gunna hit more from the following post because I don't think I gave it a proper read the first time around.

In post 885, rb wrote:578 by Stormblade intensifies my town read of them. Reasoning makes sense, it's full of actual content and there's a 72% chance it's Town-motivated.

Jokes over.

In post 885, rb wrote:581 by exped is awful. Spelling, formatting, grammar or whatever other errors make sense. Outright saying scummy things isn't excusable by "I'm tired "

Spelling, formatting, grammar and whatever other errors that makes sense is NOT AI. It should be apparent that they very well may be tired given the time of night it was for them.

In post 885, rb wrote:Cephrir has similar reads to mine, but it's bugging me. I don't like 580 because even though I disagree with Exped, it's not just the fact he disagrees that make him feel scummy. Ceph is making less effort to understand Exped's POV than he is focussing on the fact that he apparently thinks Exped is just wrong. Town are wrong all the time. Scumreading people because you think they're wrong is dumb.

How is what you are doing here any different?

In post 885, rb wrote:I can't stand 604 - as a general rule I zone out and can't be fucked dealing with meta and delving into other games. If someone wants to give a specific example from another game they can go and get it themselves. I'll still disregard it but it annoys me to no end to be told to go and look at another game. Explain your actions in THIS game without sending Town on a multi-game-interpretation circlejerk. Also the statement, "it's not important what my reasons are" is just setting Wayward up to make a whole bunch of shit reasons for reads and expect people to not question them. Sorry, not letting you do that.

VOTE: Wayward Thinker

Fine I'll link the other two games you played where I was the host:

http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=24321

http://intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=24467

Person in question is redbaron.

Linking other games is a thing here rb, well, at least for me and a few others.

In post 885, rb wrote:@MathBlade post 608 duly noted - but can you point out what you see to be a lack of content? As far as I'm concerned I'm sharing reads and pressing people on their opinions/thoughts, with the numbers for flavour. You seem to be implying that I'm just throwing out arbitrary numbers with no meaning - show me what you're talking about.

No one knows if your reads are complete BS or not because you are just throwing out random percentages to go along with you reads.. so are the reads a joke too? Just the reads? Just the numbers?

In post 885, rb wrote:Following on from that, Ceph pointed that out in 623 - I'm wary of Ceph sheeping me here for the same sentiments I expressed about his post 580. He likes me just because we seem to agree - that's not a good reason to townread someone imo.

This is actually a valid point.

[quote="In post 885

In post 885, rb wrote:Post 629 is crap. I read this as having a lot of potential for sheeping on MathBlade's 608 - where am I sheeping? Show me. Planning ahead? Who doesn't? Are you saying that you don't read into the interactions and their context between people in the game and think about how they might play out? Surely if someone died right now and flipped scum, you'd have an idea of where that'd lead you next right? If I was doing full-blown scum-association crap
and trying to pick the scum-team
, I'd understand your skepticism. I don't understand it from this POV though because I'm clearly not playing the scum-association game.

Town typically doesn't plan ahead. We didn't talk about the planning ahead thing when discussing our read on you. Scum are much more apt to plan ahead than Town. And its pre-flip, meaning any interactions you have to analyze now, don't mean much until flips actually happen. Granted I think if anyone is really "planning ahead" like what you describe here mathblade is more the person doing that. And some people might consider the bold a Scum slip, just fyi. So then you follow that up with saying "you understand our skepticism, but not why we are skeptical. MY point in our Scum read on you is that you are doing something I have not seen before ie. being silly with percentages. I haven't seen you be silly in a game and I don't remember you using percentages either.

In post 885, rb wrote:Post 671 - Yes you've watched me play a game as Town and also as Scum. My first and second games ever. Being that it was about 2 months ago that I played my last Town game (this is my 4th game overall, 1 as Town, 2 as Scum) I've obviously changed quite a bit. Also you mention in this post that what I'm doing here is something you've not seen me do either as Town OR Scum - so what's with the scumread? Shouldn't it be NAI? Why don't you focus on the other stuff I'm posting instead?

You played your first game ever starting May 17th. Besides that stupid point, how much do you really think your meta can change in 4 games? I said it was a vote to pressure you, did you not read that part or something? This is the first real post you have made all game so I'm not sure exactly what "other stuff" there is. Enlighten me.

In post 885, rb wrote:Post 688 What am I hiding? What's not clear to you? There's an 84% chance you're confused Town not understanding why I'm posting numbers.

BB is saying you are joking around rather than actually playing the game, which not only looks unnatural from one angle, but doesn't look like you are doing much as well. Why are you posting numbers?

In post 885, rb wrote:770 can we not have, "I'm tired " as a defence? I made a joke that I say less sig-worthy things when I'm not sleep-deprived, but I find it fully acceptable if people find things I say or do scummy when I'm sleepy and I see no reason why I'd be somehow "more scummy" just because I was tired. Motivation of figuring out game and helping town is still there.

I get that you don't like the "I'm tired" defence, but I've been trying to tell you the whole time how this game is about reading the player.

In post 885, rb wrote:771 is cute. I hereby
deny
so that you can tunnel me all game because this is scummy-af and the perfect cherry on top of your ice-cream sundae of, "I don't need to reason it doesn't matter!" if and when it's successful and I flip Town there's an 90% probability that you'll be next lynch and I'm perfectly okay with a 1-for-1 Town/Scum trade. Tunnel away baby. You're my highest scumread and I'd happily die if it means you get lynched next.

K, well keep playing and I might be having more reasons for Scum reading you as the game progresses.

Wayward Thinker · Post Post #919 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:12 pm

In post 913, BBmolla wrote:@LQ: how many people are on your scumteam

I'm Town, so I couldn't tell you.

Wayward Thinker · Post Post #920 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:15 pm

In post 916, rb wrote:I think I covered it at 885 as to how much I disliked their posts. I have more questions for Exped but Wayward is my strongest scumlean. Exped is unhelpful and not at all giving goos reasons for his thoughts.

Wayward is doing the same thing on top of throwing in meta reads (which I dislike) and also the fact that he calls it a pressure vote but then also insists they refuse to remove it if I don't do some specific thing is scummy af to me.

Pressure votes are what you do when someone isn't giving content, tunnel votes are what you do to your strong scumreads.

So why's he tunneling if it's just pressure?

Wayward = scum imo.

No, that's not a tunnel. A tunnel is when you hammer someone with questions over many pages worth of the game.

I feel your vote on me is an OMGUS. Pretty obvious fmpov.

Notice how his Two Scum reads are the ones voting him. Hmm. what does that usually mean?

Wayward Thinker · Post Post #921 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:34 pm

It has come to my attention that rb may have scum slipped.

He said the last time he played as Town was 2 months ago. His first game he played he was Town which was May 17th, about 2 months ago.

Wayward Thinker · Post Post #922 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:39 pm

In post 921, Wayward Thinker wrote:It has come to my attention that rb may have scum slipped.

He said the last time he played as Town was 2 months ago. His first game he played he was Town which was May 17th, about 2 months ago.

You know what? NVM its prolly not a Scum slip. I still find rb scummy tho.

rb · Post Post #923 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:40 pm

In post 918, Wayward Thinker wrote:Spelling, formatting, grammar and whatever other errors that makes sense is NOT AI. It should be apparent that they very well may be tired given the time of night it was for them.

I'm actually getting legit annoyed now.

You just repeated what I already fucking said: that I can understand if people have a lapse in spelling/formatting/grammar then that makes sense and isn't something to worry about. The point is that outright scummy things aren't excused by, "I'm tired." I literally fucking said word for word:

"Spelling, formatting, grammar or whatever other errors make sense. Outright saying scummy things isn't excusable by "I'm tired

"

Spelling, formatting, grammar or whatever other errors make sense.

And then the thing you come and attack me for is that I'm apparently taking spelling, formatting and grammar as being AI? Fuck off. If you actually turn out to be Town right now, I'm outright blacklisting you and refusing to play any further games with you because this is so fucking dumb that my brain literally hurts.

A Song of Ice and Fire · Post Post #924 (ISO) » Mon Jul 11, 2016 10:40 pm

In post 922, Wayward Thinker wrote:
In post 921, Wayward Thinker wrote:It has come to my attention that rb may have scum slipped.

He said the last time he played as Town was 2 months ago. His first game he played he was Town which was May 17th, about 2 months ago.
You know what? NVM its prolly not a Scum slip. I still find rb scummy tho.

what about it was like a scum slip

I don't understand

~Ice