Gistou (Over!)

[Luna Fox]

I didnt mention this earlier because i thought you'd eventually do it, but im kind of wondering why did you decide to make a playful comment at davesaz instead of commeting on... idk, everything else that happened since your last post?

[Titus]

Hey ABR, there's a whole thread over here.

[BBmolla]

At this rate, I don't think I'll have enough trivia.

Re-runs are always welcome

So you guys decided to beat the record of the # of posts in pregame? The funny thing is Dunn isn't even in this game!

Catching up is taking quite sometime even though I have obviously mostly skimmed up to this point. Only getting the gist of it all.

What I did notice thus far is:

1- Expedience is disliked by many for some reason that I have yet to research.
2- Cane + Able are being a nag.
3- BBMolla made some weird claim that I'm not buying.
4- Luna is probably on my side (not completely sure though)
5- Titus is probably town too.
6- I had foreseen trouble coming my way from the Stormblade trio before the pre-game phase, but I get the feeling we could be friends (I'd rather have confirmation on this from ABR though, bc I'm having trouble trusting Nahdia)
7- Other people I won't trust until I see evidence they're "on the good side" include dram (you fooled me once) & SirCakez (we should always start by assuming we're on opposing factions until proven otherwise )
8- Surprisingly enough I do NOT have a clear read on the FA+FB slot (Come on guys! Couldn't you have picked a longer username so that one enjoys typing an essay whenever addressing you??)
9- Finally, KC claims to be able to read me, so I'll let her decide on whether we should be friends of foes here.

i hate this post

samesies

[Heartless]

Ok, so we're not looking at masonesque type behavior. Good. I hate masons unless I am one. They set off false positives.

she just claimed to NOT know how is that masonesque

[BBmolla]

rb i havent liked your latest posts.
You're breaking my heart.

P-Edit: that's a lil better

Luna since you already claimed not human what race are you?

I wouldn't mind saying, if this was a normal theme game, but for all i know there may be a specific faction out to get my specific race or something of the sort, is it really that important to know right now that i should risk it?

Ok Luna may be town because of this.

this is pretty terrible, if you didn't think luna was town a null ass post like this shouldn't change your mind

[Titus]

Ok, so we're not looking at masonesque type behavior. Good. I hate masons unless I am one. They set off false positives.

she just claimed to NOT know how is that masonesque

I just said we're NOT looking at masons.

[No Retreat]

Hey ABR, there's a whole thread over here.

I approve of this message and/or service

[Nosferatu]

I caught up. Used the same method as in Third Fortnight, since that was ok.

Spoiler: thing

page 25
idk how you have a townread on heartless on grounds of him efforting when he hasn't done anything yet.

ye ye we get it nahdia is town we know
her reason d is the same as why I voted him tbh

I'll start using post numbers here, cbb to go back for other ones
page 26: expedience is getting kek'd on
#627- copper why the fuck are you talking about scummy shit heartless is done and not saying anything
like "ye his opening post is scummy, you'll see when you stop propping him up lul" wtf?
#629- the %s are obvious fucking bullshit, pls try harder
#630- ceph is so mean
#635- I used to fucking spam threads fyi

page 27: everyone lookin at LQ now
#650- so does he just not post as scum? Any links?
#651- if you have a lot of meta on him you should know he's probably joking with the %s
#658- why the fuck do people get drunk and start posting on mafiascum? I'd imagine you'd be doing other things lol
#660+4- it's certainly not the best but I wouldn't call it super scummy

page 28: these votecounts are amazing
#676- everytime someone does moonlogic shit it reminds me of my mom cause she does it too, so I'm going to refer to moonlogic as momlogic from now on
#688- more like everyone is shoving him behind the jokes to shield him from all the bad things in the world.
#692- I'm going to go ahead and tell you your feeling is wrong based on the fact that I'm townreading song.
#694- I don't get it.

page 29: I think? I skipped a page.
#716- oh ok I get it now
#717- excited to see reasons for this two pages from now
#723- I don't like this post, it seems like an intentional gross oversimplification of the point earlier made.

page 30: Read city this page
#725- I caught dave for the same reason in one game, but I don't see that here.
#727- At just looking at this I'm in a questioning mood, but idk what to ask so fuck it
#735- Makes sense to me
#738- I don't get it.
#740- From what I've seen/read, as scum he asks stupid + pointless questions and doesn't do shit with it the whole game, but as scum he asks relatively pointless questions and occaisionally does shit with it.
despite me not scum reading his questions, not liking dave hiding behind his playstyle tho.
#747- lol what

page 31: I can't think of a quippy thing here.
#750- I find it pretty illogical that you would start to connect dots when there aren't very many confirmed dots in the first place. It's expecting people to look for pre-flip associatives without a proper foothold in the game, when a lot of people don't even like to look for pre-flip associations well into the game.
#755- examples of such cognitive dissonance in beeboy?
#757- ye ok you're probably town that's cool
#771- what
#774- I don't get it

page 32: lol what
#775- are you actually basing a townread off of your confidence that your sister is always wrong? lmao what?
#784- did you talk about your own post in the 3rd person here? lol what?

page 33: I don't find this page very important at all.

page 34: people don't like expe wagon now apparently
#828- why
#848- so thirsty lol
#845- so copper didn't scumread heartless? I'm confused here.

page 35: [insert quip here]
#859- return of the lol what
#863- are you unaware of the fact that other people can in fact joke?
#865- shit ok you were serious, nvm then.
page 36: FA is towning it up again
#885- I like this.

page 37: I feel like I forgot something last page but I can't remember
#918- terribad.
#928- I don't get it.
#923- town rage.

page 38: I'm running out of shit to say for these page titles
#932- How is WT town?
#935- I don't like something about this but idk.
#936- I like this post.

page 39: ye dram is town
#950- HOLY FUCK WHY DO YOU DO THIS.
A50 is probably town because of this stupid shit, I don't remember him doing it as scum.
#996- this isn't even a read list

page 40: a wild skybird appears
#979- the good jokes never die
#999- dram nooo

page 41: doubts
#1002- I knew it lmao
#1012- I'd like your team better if song wasn't in it.
#1020- shed your quips onto me

page 42: ceph is a self-proclaimed savage
#1032- pure fucking savagery. No other comments.
#1048- ye we noticed

page 43: I posted here so we stop.

I've read way too much for now so I'll come back later, and if there's 20 more pages I'm not fucking reading it.

[No Retreat]

Nos pls do post links next time, its a fucking chore to tab back and forth

[No Retreat]

and all the scrolling!


Just fuck you

[Salt Squad]

Hey I'm like 20 pages back this is gonna be fun

-sc

[KuroiXHF]

well this is going.

someone tell me who to vote.

Wayward.

~Bee

vote: wayward

cool.

VOTE: TWIE

You need to die if you can't think for yourself.

[Stormblade]

Hey ABR, there's a whole thread over here.

I don't care. Bloodborne was devastating. I will let Errant and Nahdia take point.

[No Retreat]

@XHF

[davesaz]

So to begin analysis I decided to ISO Expedience, both because of his interactions with me and because of the wagon on him.

Spoiler: Expe iso

55 calls 38 hypocritical and implies Song is scum
56 comments to Tim's 46, but whose entrance was town? Wayward
57 Molla town
60 he's town, how is defending wayward hypocritical?
63 would vote song
93 luna scum
105 still on luna
111 why luna? lol
118 tim town
121 luna pretending to scumread him?
136 FA mediator, scummy
485 RAM kind of scum
532 votes C+A
539 fucking around except for kinda scumreading luna
546 doesn't like rb post, don't specifically address anyone
560 reply to my question about 546
561 wants to lynch me (note his two lynch wants are people who questioned him)
570 if rb is scumreading him then why is Luna rb's friend?
576 votes rb
581 trying to excuse early (<485?) posts as 3am. buddying nahdia too...
589 wayward scum, molla slight town
596 early posts were meant to be joking
727 reads list. ceph, nos, molla town; luna, rb, titus, dave, ram scum; titus is new...
735 i'm scum because 590 makes no sense...
751 actually asks a question, of RAM
758 titus trying to convince herself kling is scum
777 comment on titus telling math they are confbiasing. note, I missed that he accuses titus of the same thing she was previously accused of in post 263-274 range
780 votes titus (784 for terrible reasoning)
793 sees another titus post which invalidates earlier thoughts? not sure how... back to rb
812 uses molla's post about rb jokes to justify scumread
859 luna's 838 is a scumclaim? but other people do it too, it's nearly universal
932 quotes my 824 no reaction. quotes RAM defending rb. Votes luna because rb might be town. wayward town
974 defends against Nahdia "you just disagree with me"
976 reply to almost50 reads. I kinda agree on the no scumreads question
988 stormblade town
990 to song: attacked them to find their alignment
1004 forgot it was multiball (because he's town) ?? really? how can you possibly miss it?
1006 - has given reads on most other players. this is checkable (see above)
1033 accuses Luna of lying about meta knowledge. he played with her main and trolled -- like he is here?

Interactions with other players and analysis:
Song: Early in the game said they were scummy, would vote them. Later in the game 990 said he attacked them to find their alignment. No other evidence in ISO that he's doing anything to find their alignment.

Tim: Says he's town in early game. No further interactions that I noticed.

Wayward: Says their entrance was town, by way of comment to a post by Tim. Explained the read vaguely. Replied to a question from them. Defended them from Salt. Defended again, "painfully town". This all seems consistent, although the reasoning is vague. Strangely, no direct interaction via quote, though I could have missed some back/forth which had no quotes.

Luna: Says she's scum, but gives lol for a reason. Claims she's only pretending to scum read him, point out her admission that she OMGUS's as a scum claim. In 539 he as much as admits to Nahdia that he was joking. In 988 he clearly says his scum read is caused by her OMGUS (which was caused by his scum read). In 1033 he claims she's lying about their (brief) history by pointing out a game where he trolled her and she got mad -- which is exactly what he's doing here!

Well now, I should have just listened to my gut I think. In my exchanges with him I immediately thought he was trying to twist our conversation to a place where he could scumread me, but I doubted it because I have a weakness for thinking that. Turns out on a deeper look at his Luna read, he led her straight into doing what he's scum reading her for, and he admitted that he knew she would react exactly the way she did. Repeat after me, manipulation ahoy!

VOTE: Expedience

[Cane + Able]

Hey ABR, there's a whole thread over here.

I don't care. Bloodborne was devastating. I will let Errant and Nahdia take point.

You had good reads in that game.

Why would you lean on the crappy happenings in that game as an excuse to be lazy in this one when the two are nothing alike?

I was really hoping your slot was town, but this post is terribad.

[Cephrir]

im not reading these Handwritten Notes(tm)

[davesaz]

im not reading these Handwritten Notes(tm)

If that's to me, it's spoilered on purpose.
If it's not to me, then who is it to?

[Titus]

Hey ABR, there's a whole thread over here.

I don't care. Bloodborne was devastating. I will let Errant and Nahdia take point.

Spoiler: What I want to say

Hey, people will be dumbnesses. If you're two thirds of the player you think you are and are town, we could use you.

ABR, I get that game was devastating. The more you try to control people, the more we rebel and don't listen. Giving up isn't the right answer. I also have quite a few questions for you. Plus, given the derp errors I have made, there's plenty of good giffage to be had.

[Stormblade]

I don't have the heart to get invested again after what happened in Varsoon's game.

Here's a recent example of a game where I didn't get invested as town: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=66574

That was probably after Saga too.

[Titus]

im not reading these Handwritten Notes(tm)

Someone added handwritten notes? Are they insane?

[Stormblade]

The more you try to control people, the more we rebel and don't listen.

I had absolute control over that game but for a strongman kill that fucked up my protection.

[Stormblade]

I also have quite a few questions for you.

What are your questions, Titus...

[No Retreat]

they are talking about Nos' catchup

[No Retreat]

its ok but now my carpal tunnel is acting up