Gistou (Over!)

[Stormblade]

V/LA until the 27th.

Trying to catch up now...

You can't V/LA for 2 weeks

Albert

<<< Actually, she can. As long as she's posting within that timeframe an average of once every three days or so with game content, then she's at acceptable levels of activity for a declared V/LA. >>>

[MathBlade]

WT's posts are full of ass-covering and preservation.
Also kuroi's fine and the people on that wagon are (for the most part) awful.

EDIT:

@Math: What makes me say Expe's mindset is town is that I've read his posts.
Town do plenty of naked votes.

@Nahdia: Please standby...

On WT's posts I agree.
That makes no sense at all. You are not given a list of players by the mod of who is town so you read them.
No they don't. Show me an example of one.

@Albert you had questions for me?

[dramonic]

Because his logic is so completely stupid that even he wouldn't buy into it as scum.

@everyone who is calling Expedience Town: Wtf are you seeing in him that's Town?

He doesn't provide reasons for anything he does, he barely responds to questions, he doesn't do anything that I can even perceive as pro-town.

Because his logic is so completely stupid that even he wouldn't buy into it as scum.

I would buy that but on my only game with Exp he at least tried to read me and provided reasoning for his scumread on me "he didn't like my townhunting strategy coz he didnt understand it at the time", here he has provided no reasoning.

@Both: He's provided plenty of reasons. The fact those reasons are awful beyond belief doensn't mean they aren't there. They're beyond the point of no return, but they're there.
Don't break the spell it's

hilarious

EDIT: You're full of hate

It's disturbing that you guys can read these posts and think Expe's scum and not deranged town. You guys ableist or something?

Those are for Nahdia

[Stormblade]

I was kind of hoping you'd actually quote some of HIS posts but... ok. I guess I see where you're coming from I just... idk. It's like the whole "so scummy it's town" bit? Like, you think he would be more thought out if he's scum I guess?

IDK :\

-Nahdia

[Klingoncelt]

... KC claims to be able to read me, so I'll let her decide on whether we should be friends of foes here.

Right now I do believe we are friends.

[dramonic]

yeah ok

VOTE: Almost50

I'm trying to see if plurality lynch might be a factor here.

Honestly, if things come to that on Day 1 I'm replacing out of this game.

The thought of 22 days of this is nausea inducing.

Let's lynch Kuroi.

VOTE: Kuroi

VOTE: Almost50

I like this better than Wayward.

VOTE: Kuroi

These are all preeeeeeeetty much naked votes.

[KuroiXHF]

kuroi, which alignment do you prefer playing?

In general? Probably scum. I'm really not that great town, but I think it's because I'm less afraid to piss off people as town.

Why do you ask?

[Heartless]

@anti, that's my sole concern on this wagon. Why copper?

in retrospect, his entrance where he came after us and then how he backed off kinda gives me a smokescreen feel now

like... if ur gonna go balls deep and give a detail like "3 alarm bells" then why would you call the react test so soon? not to mention he sort of telegraphed it in his "dont prop them up" post

idk

[Heartless]

kuroi, which alignment do you prefer playing?

In general? Probably scum. I'm really not that great town, but I think it's because I'm less afraid to piss off people as town.

Why do you ask?

yep, from thumbing through a few of your completed games i can tell

[Klingoncelt]

Actually, when I look back at Mathblade's earlier post, umm what's up with "grouping" people so early anyway?

Not liking this. We need to figure out who's who and whom they're aligned with. It's not like this is a simple "everyone plays for their own" kind of game.

Which brings me to this simple announcement:

- To ALL Humans (regardless of your origin, tribe and what not): Do NOT drop by (i.e. do not try to visit me).

Non-Humans are welcome to try though
here, kitty kitty kitty kitty

What about non-humans that might be friendly to humans, hmm?

[Klingoncelt]

It just seems like Exp is too "out there" to be Scum IMO. I have the same problem sometimes.

You two are on the same scumteam, aren't you?

[Heartless]

These are all preeeeeeeetty much naked votes.

a50 wasn't even close to a naked vote. i called him scum for a few posts before then tth just happened to switch the vote over then.

[Titus]

@anti, that's my sole concern on this wagon. Why copper?

in retrospect, his entrance where he came after us and then how he backed off kinda gives me a smokescreen feel now

like... if ur gonna go balls deep and give a detail like "3 alarm bells" then why would you call the react test so soon? not to mention he sort of telegraphed it in his "dont prop them up" post

idk

I'll have to look at copper in more detail. My biggest concern is that I don't remember anything that Copper has done. That gives him a we didn't playtest this feel rather than his town games.

If you went there, I wouldn't be angry as I am not townreading him, but we also have a very shiny wagon here.

I feel conflicted. I want to lead a wagon full of obvtown on obvscum. Yet, I'm ok with being just a member.

Please come back if it goes nowhere?

[dramonic]

@Math, You're confbiasing. You do that and you're very frequently wrong, regardless of alignment and you then scumread whoever disagrees.

How am I conf biasing here? I have suggested a theory of you three and potentially Nos on a different team.
Confirmation bias requires a history not just a suggestion when it was my catchup post.

Explain to me how Expedience is town. Because I do not see how me posting my catchup reads upon replace in confirms Expedience as town.

Titus is defending me indirectly and saying that Mathblade is confbiasing implies that she thinks that both Mathblade and I are town. Yet she has never stated this.

Titus just got called out for indirectly defending me, and rather than make her stance more clear (since she could easily get away with saying that she was only slightly townreading me or just considering possibilities), she just doubles down on the read with terrible reasoning.

someone explain why they felt the aggression and calling so many people scum is scummy

Because he's been calling me scum for no reason and i don't like that

If you're town and aware that you have weaknesses like this, then you shouldn't be voting me.

The emote is so out of place and leads to this interpretation.

This is scummy and shows a difference between stance and implied opinion.

In this way this post is a scumclaim but I don't have the right words to describe it... I feel like I did a bad job of explaining.

Also @Expedience: 755 uses the word "someone" but I haven't seen you call it out.

It has come to my attention that rb may have scum slipped.

He said the last time he played as Town was 2 months ago. His first game he played he was Town which was May 17th, about 2 months ago.

That is an incredibly weak point. Do you sincerely believe him talking about past games means he is scum here? I feel like it would have been far more contrived if he had said "last time I played as town (other than this game) was two months ago". Plus, it is arguable that using the words "the last time I did x" rather than "I haven't done x since" implies that THIS TIME x is the case. (Granted, I did not go reread those posts to see exactly what phrasing he used, I'm basing my interpretation off the exact phrasing you used to reference his comment)

Bad point is bad.

Cephrir, you quoted someone's list of reads(they had 3 town, and 1 scum) and you said you agreed with three of those reads, but did not specify which three. One of those town reads was on Expedience, and you later expressed positivity towards Nahdia's post attacking Expedience.

(Sorry, mobile, or I'd go back and get you the actual posts)

Anyways, just curious which three reads you agreed with from that post, and why you didn't specify it at the time...also curious about the nature of your enjoyment of that post by Nahdia. Did you agree with the Expedience read there? Or was there something else about it that you enjoyed?

Nahdia, when you wake up in the morning(and you specifically, not the other heads of your hydra), please explain this Expedience attack to me again, in a different fashion if at all possible. I don't really see the cause for the pressure on him (unless it's pressure for pressures sake, but that doesn't seem to be the case, a bunch of people appear to legitimately believe they're scum), and I'd like to understand this better. And since you started it, I feel hearing your reasoning in greater depth if at all possible would be most informative.

-Cerb

Pedit: well, it seems my first point was just addressed. Good.

"just curious", no dude you're quietly gathering evidence to paint him as scum and you're probably scum yourself.

VOTE: Luna Fox, I don't want to vote rb any more since he might be town.

Wayward Thinker is painfully town. Both of the largest wagons are trash and this is sad.

4- Luna is probably on my side (not completely sure though)
5- Titus is probably town too.

Possibly the most indirect townclaim I have ever seen.

NO IT'S NOT. It's not about disagreeing with you. It's about you having a scum mindset. I never see town accuse someone of "not really scumreading them". It's such a disgusting way of framing a scumread. You're both discrediting scumreads on yourself and mudslinging someone else in one post, someone who happens to be fairly town, on that note. It's ridiculous. Your posts read strongly to me like someone who knows they are scum is making them. You absolutely

reek

of scum motivation to me. I don't see the logic in your reads except in that you're trying to dismantle the wagon against you.

-Nahdia

Maybe if you repeat it enough times it'll become true.

I think it's a useful tell. It's not a way of framing a scumread, it's evidence to support a scumread. Luna Fox doesn't think that I'm scum but she's voting me, therefore she is scum.

Of course I'm going to "discredit my wagon" or whatever, I'm town.

Is the gladiate real?

I guess you're town though.

Posts like these Nahdia


EDIT: Oh my FUCKING GOD

EDITx2: I don't have a problem with your vote tho so?

[MathBlade]

Getting dinner and errands. Will see if I get a chance to come back to this tonight.
@dramonic -- Since you said that was for Nahdia I am assuming no Garcia?

Pedit: Most of those are not naked.

1234 is an agreement with a prior post.
1919 is after an ISO of posts mentioning their reads on Kuroi.
1220 again not naked. 1117 is where the support for it.
1462 is actually naked.

Downgrading my Heartless townread to a town lean.

Off to dinner now. May be back tonight maybe not.

[Heartless]

kuroi, which alignment do you prefer playing?

In general? Probably scum. I'm really not that great town, but I think it's because I'm less afraid to piss off people as town.

Why do you ask?

yep, from thumbing through a few of your completed games i can tell

*elaborating: preference generally translates ----> effort

and, no offense, but so far this looks comparatively low effort to me

[Wayward Thinker]

It just seems like Exp is too "out there" to be Scum IMO. I have the same problem sometimes.

You two are on the same scumteam, aren't you?

Nope, I'm not Scum. But just in case you think I am, I have never been that obvious as Scum to give a teammate such a strong town read. In short, I'm not stupid, I just know when a Town player is misunderstood because I've been there.

[dramonic]

It can be for you too, I just don't expect you to fix your read.

EDIT: Plot fallacy.

[Titus]

@dram can you give details on your Wt read and why he's self preserving? Also, can you talk about why the Kuroi wagon is shit?

[KuroiXHF]

kuroi, which alignment do you prefer playing?

In general? Probably scum. I'm really not that great town, but I think it's because I'm less afraid to piss off people as town.

Why do you ask?

yep, from thumbing through a few of your completed games i can tell

*elaborating: preference generally translates ----> effort

and, no offense, but so far this looks comparatively low effort to me

Admittedly, I'm learning that I have a hard time with games this quick-paced. Check my last Theme Park game. I died day one too.

<<< While it was probably harmless, removed the name of an ongoing game from this post. >>>

[Heartless]

that one's ongoing

[copper223]

@anti, that's my sole concern on this wagon. Why copper?

in retrospect, his entrance where he came after us and then how he backed off kinda gives me a smokescreen feel now

like... if ur gonna go balls deep and give a detail like "3 alarm bells" then why would you call the react test so soon? not to mention he sort of telegraphed it in his "dont prop them up" post

This is very concerning, you received a bunch of unjustified town or leave alone reads so I had to tell them to stoo the prop. up, I explained why that shouldn't be a big deal even if it showed what I was up to cause you both can't control your dislike for scum that much, I should know, I badgered TTH in shaman for the whole game to get her out of her scum lurk mode with little success and I like to think I am a good motivator.

Now where is TTH and why are you putting out feelers for a copper wagon based on this stuff you likely know doesn't hold water are the questions in my mind, could be I called the test too early for real after all, you did tell me Aneninen was scum the last time after all.

[KuroiXHF]

...Woops. My mistake. I shalt not say another word about it.

[davesaz]

@Dram, regarding 2113, can you give a sentence or two for each post saying why it's town?

[Heartless]

if lld does not come in here and do shit i would not be opposed to lynching her