Gistou (Over!)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

/confirm

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Titus you're townreading FA hydra because of her emotion solely?

-sc

WOAH.

MUGI-CHAN ISN'T BEST GIRL, MIO-CHAN IS!

(or Azunyan)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

fite me lld

BITCH I MIGHT

[Lady Lambdadelta]

every time I look into this game it just gets more exhausting to try and parse.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

someone wanna talk to me and run me through the highlights of whatever the fuck I should care about;?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

quick addendum to that: Not Titus

This game is already too many :words: I don't need more :words:

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Luna Fox

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Vote: Luna Fox

Is there any reason for this?

Confirm Vote: Luna Fox

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if lld does not come in here and do shit i would not be opposed to lynching her

I asked someone to help run me through things, and checked several pages of posts after.

No help.

so one more fucking time, I am not reading 2000 posts. I've been in this game under 48 hours. I feel like I've replaced into a fucking game on day 5.

If you want me to help, then fucking give me things to give opinions on, direct me. Use me as a bloodhound, IDGAF.

But don't tell me to "get in here and do shit" when fucks like you have made it literally cancer to try and do so.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

if lld does not come in here and do shit i would not be opposed to lynching her

Same.

I think a list of vig shots you me and dgb approve of is a good idea no?

oh is it time to make another fucking town block Titus?

That worked out for you SO WELL the last time you tried it in a large.

Or have you fucking forgotten how badly you played?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Holy shit this game has over 2k posts.

YEAH.

AND IT'S BEEN LESS THAN 48 HOURS SINCE DAY 1 OFFICIALLY STARTED.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

holy shitballs the ppl that show up when i talk about them

I check the thread to skim for my name in the vague hope that someone might be able to help me care about this game or do something with me that will help me generate reads in this shitstorm.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

this game has 28 people. the hell did u guys expect?

There are three people with close to or over 200 posts.

Is it normal to make 200 posts by now in day one? Some players don't even make 200 posts in a fucking GAME.

<<< This is something I cannot stop.
I can recommend a player post in moderation.
If they spam, I can warn them they are spamming.
But otherwise, it is one area where I do not hold full control. >>>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

really not impressed with the "let's lynch people that aren't doing stuff" attitudes we're seeing. seems lazy to me. people will get their bearings in time.

LLD, why don't you ISO a few of the main wagons and tell us what you think. Namely; Kuroi, Wayward, and Expedience.

-nahdia

Isolation will only get me a brief view of their intent, since I struggle to know any of the relevant events occuring in the game.

I'm asking for a person to hold my hand and direct me, as strange as that is, because otherwise I'm going to keep watching that post count tick up, and my attitude towards this game is going to continue to sink into apathy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@LLD, Your thoughts and reads? Or are you going to bitch slap me? I can put you on ignore if you're just going to yell Titus sucks with no direction to improve.

I have none, except I didn't like how Luna Fox reacted to my vote on her, so I confirmed it to try and get some more reactions.

Then got apathetic again.

I honestly don't care what you think or do, Titus. Genuinely just don't. I know you'll never take advice, so.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cursory reads from the last 10 pages or so tell me Cephrir and Dramonic and Salt Squad and prooooooooooooooobably RB are town.

that last one is a little less certain, but those first 3 are like, solid gold.

So, Cephrir, Dramonic, Salt Squad: Give me a list of 2 people each you want me to look at in great detail and I'll fucking see if I can't motivate to find a scumfuck to lynch!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Cursory reads from the last 10 pages or so tell me Cephrir and Dramonic and Salt Squad and prooooooooooooooobably RB are town.

that last one is a little less certain, but those first 3 are like, solid gold.

So, Cephrir, Dramonic, Salt Squad: Give me a list of 2 people each you want me to look at in great detail and I'll fucking see if I can't motivate to find a scumfuck to lynch!

What gives you dram town? I'm null on him but town on you so would like to be enlightened, thank u [=

-Nahdia

Gut from the way he's posting. I can't really and won't explain too much more (Explaining townreads is anti-town etc) but it's just a strong feeling I have.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I've been relaxing this weekend so I haven't been around to go wild on WT or Kuroi, but it hasn't lost my attention or thought. I'll get to it.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

she confirmed that its a town win condition.

she can't explain the threats

and I simply win when they are all gone.

. . .

unvote

I don't think you understand the mechanics of this game.
Like, at all.

Does any of us??? I doubt it.

Here's crazy idea: There are overlapping win-cons that do not necessarily match but do not necessarily intersect either.

I'll give you an example (but I'm spoilering it in case you want to skip my ranting):

Spoiler:

You're from the Southern Democratic Republic (hypothetical name precisely picked so as not to be mistaken for a claim). You live in La La land and you're race is a Genie. Now someone else who hails from South DR maybe living in Black Hole and is actually a Fairy, but you too win together if you eliminate all threats to South DR.

HOWEVER, there is another GENIE who lives in Black Hole and THEIR win con is to eliminate all threat to GENIES.

Obviously eliminating threats to Genies does not exactly coincide with eliminating threats to SDR, but they're not exactly contradictory either if there's not grudge between the two (obviously not bc you're a Genie AND from the South).

Now, there's an outsider faction (or more than one) who's win condition is to CONTROL THE LYNCH (become 50% +1 of the living players or nothing to prevent that .. etc.), and THAT -ladies and gentlemen- is what you would refer to as scum in this game.

Now let's not forget there's a CULT too, and their win con may still be the same (controlling the lynch, if they don't die when their cultist dies) OR it maybe to cult an X number of players (seeing as the cult "may" all suicide if their cultist dies).

Shall I go on?? Oh, I LOVE setup speculation, and especially so when there are no definite limits and I can let my imagination take me to higher levels.. like how about 28 different winning conditions? Oh, that would be REALLY stretching, but you do get the picture, don't you?? 7 races, 4 nations, 5 locations = 140 possible combinations.

This is why "

Some players who you may not think are allies will be fighting for the same thing you are,

" (i.e. non-humans who can win with humans for instance), and "

some players who you may think are fighting for the same thing you are may not actually be allies.

" (maybe humans who are have a different cause or maybe a reference to Wuldens (the cultist) being human himself.)

Thank you ladies and gentlemen. I will now step down the soap box. No need to cheer and applause.

Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

Moderator: The use of Red Text was site banned many years ago. Can we have an official ruling on its use in this game?

<<< Answered in 3780. >>>

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm pretty certain it wasn't meant as a truthtell LLD, unless that ruling has to do with something else I'm unaware of, should be fine.

-Nahdia

The red text of truth in all forms, and its accompaniment, the Blue Text of Truth are banned on MS.

Not all forms were truth tells, but people used them as truth tells.

so I'm asking the mod: Am I allowed to use the Red?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Holy shit LLD.

Stop wasting posts with completely unnecessary bullshit. Just...stop. Go away if you're not going to play, and all you can do is bitch about nobody holding your fucking hand, and then show up talking about absolutely worthless shit.

Or else play the fucking game and be useful.
Seriously, is this the best content you can muster?
-Cerb

Hey asshole.

This is a modkillable and site bannable offence.

So how about you take your shitty uninformed fuckign opinion and stick it up your ass, you mouthbreathing dickweed.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Spoiler: Useful posts from RAM

I have made many poor decisions in my life.

I'm glad participating in an 11-page and counting pregame wasn't one of them.

I'll read up in maybe an hour/when I feel in the mood or let Cerb and Drixx catch me up and then I'll just spend my time interacting with people. Consider me the friendly talkative face to the hydra that is very approachable. I haven't hydra'd in a while & if anyone has played in a hydra game with me you'll know it takes me even longer than normal to warm up to a game.

~ Bins.

Also, how the fuck is this a beaver?

I have made a promise that every post I make will be worth your time to read. Therefore, I will share my townread on BBMolla and my slight scumread on Copper and a mild townread on Luna Fox but I hope to have that read cleared up in due time. I'm on like page 5, though.

I'm going tryhard this game for Drixx and Cerb. Please notice me.

~Bins again.


pedit - pls notice me pls

@bins your not saying anything that we wanna discuss it with you, catch up so we can talk

Disappointing.

~Binsy

I'm really excited in a game like this, that's all. All sorts of weird potential shit.

me rn

I keep having to take a step back because I'm genuinely going to start having too much fun and annoying the shit out of everyone. Even with all the shit in the sign-up thread, after reading my role and just reading the first few pages I'm already pumped. Also, hydra-ing makes me confident. Damn. No one fucking ruin this.

<<< This is the reaction I strived for. <3 >>>

pedit — dram is scum? this gets even better

ARE YOU FUCKING PROUD I KEPT THAT ALL TO ONE POST THAT WAS SO HARD FOR ME

Yeah. I do that a lot on d1 because everything is up in the air and I feel useless not having much to work with

Ditto, bro.

D1 sucks.

Hello all. I slept on it, and I am now here. I'm caught up with the game and current events(though a current VC would be nice).

I dislike stormblade entirely because of ABR's apathy, but Titus is correct in that it's NAI. My own lack of involvement in the early game largely stemmed from the same reason. I'm willing to give him a few RL days, but certainly not an entire three week day phase. I don't think the point that the other heads are deliberately sitting back and letting Nahdia play for them is necessarily true, or if it is, that it's necessarily alignment indicative. If one head of a hydra garners all the town reads, and you can project your questions and pushes through their posting, there is literally no reason to speak up any more than you have to. Town's job is finding scum and not getting mislynched, so even though the first thought people seem to have is that this behavior, if indeed deliberate, is scummy, it's really not imo.

KuroiXF's most recent set of reads are, umm. yeah. It's disingenuous for him to call it underdeveloped, most likely? I've never played with Kuroi before I don't believe. Are his reads lists generally in depth, so him calling this one underdeveloped makes sense, because it's lacking detail? Or no? I need to reread his ISO/the cases against him, I don't recall any strong reason given for the votes, if someone could refresh my memory regarding whose ISO I need to look at to find the source of the push/possible reasoning everyone is agreeing with?

WT: LQ is awkward as fuck, always. He makes literally no sense to me ever. Even though my first inclination is to defend him simply because I know how easy he is to lynch....I've defended him because he's lynchbaity before when he was scum. :/ Suzune is easier to read for me(at least, I've been able to identify her towniness in the past...never seen her scum game, so, grain of salt), but I need more content from that head(CLEARLY LABELLED CONTENT OF SIGNIFICANCE) to pass any judgment here. In short, I haven't seen anything overtly scummy from the slot, just what appears to be standard LQ awkwardness, but that could EASILY be actual scum content.

Expe: Everyones talking about him. I should go reread his iso. He's scumreading my slot. More on this later, after I check his ISO because fuck, why do you all suspect him again? Nothing jumps out of my memory.

Luna: Luna's pretty town yo. Faction slip in PT(I did read that correctly, right? in the PT she has with stormblade, she slipped her faction? Please confirm Stormblade), and her initial posting and points/concerns regarding the whole win condition discussion(which shouldn't be ever mentioned again prior to like D4 or D5(or whenever appropriate in a game this size, I have no fucking idea actually)) seemed quite town.

Top of my head stuff, tried to touch on the people who are actually being voted for. Please engage me and point me in a specific direction for discussions/things you want my opinion on, if I missed anything important.

-Cerb

Sorry.

-Cerb

Hi


wait why did my post post like that
ehhhHHH ok

Sorry, I'm trying to target where your scumread on them is coming from and why I don't think that way. If I'm completely missing the point on this scumread and it isn't about the BS cases, then please correct me.

I just can't say I scumread them. Wouldn't feel right in my gut. Copper though... rb though... LLD tho...

~ Bins

There's a 69% chance that you're getting awfully defensive with that post.

I always sign Expedience, and Drixx hasn't yet had a chance to get into the game. At the moment, any unsigned post belongs to Bins.

-Cerb

Purely gut.

I accept this a lot more than Expe's BS. Thank you.

And ditto, gurl.

o before i sign off i should say bins head will be

VLA Friday morning to Sunday night

going to go visit the bulge ((((((((((((((((((:

None of this is relevant to finding scum. And you're all probably wrong. And it legitimately doesn't matter right now.

Stop it.

-Cerb

@Mastin: how long until Franky gets prodded?

-Cerb

Gee these posts are full of content RAM, I'm so glad you're talking about this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes, because someone who's been on site for less than a year has ANY fucking clue that this is a thing.

If you have a problem with it, pm the fucking mod, don't shit in my thread with your inanities, ESPECIALLY when you can't be bothered to actually play the game normally.

You spend days doing nothing, and then choose to waste your time on this?

I can't begin to express how much I loathe play like yours.

-Cerb

Pedit: Nahdia, no. I'm sorry, but this enrages me. Someone actively looking for a mod kill on what is OBVIOUSLY a nothing post instead of actually playing? No. Not okay.

I'm not looking for a fucking modkill, I'm asking Mastin to fucking make a ruling on this. Holy shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

The red text of truth in all forms, and its accompaniment, the Blue Text of Truth are banned on MS.

Not all forms were truth tells, but people used them as truth tells.

so I'm asking the mod: Am I allowed to use the Red?

If you have a town PM then you'd know the color is blue though, so why would you argue that red and blue were both banned, yet be fine with the blue and not the red?

The fuck are you on about? No one is talking about Role PM colours?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes, because someone who's been on site for less than a year has ANY fucking clue that this is a thing.

If you have a problem with it, pm the fucking mod,

don't shit in my thread

with your inanities, ESPECIALLY when you can't be bothered to actually play the game normally.

You spend days doing nothing, and then choose to waste your time on this?

I can't begin to express how much I loathe play like yours.

-Cerb

Pedit: Nahdia, no. I'm sorry, but this enrages me. Someone actively looking for a mod kill on what is OBVIOUSLY a nothing post instead of actually playing? No. Not okay.

I love the bolded by the way.

You're such an entitled little douchebag.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I'm.a hydra LLD, almost all of those posts you quoted were from my partner. One of them was me making formatting easier to read in a content heavy post. Another was me telling the game to get back on track (as I'm doing to you), and the third was me missing that the mod had already prodded the only slot that has done less in this game then you.

I'm glad you had the time to go through my iso for that though. Maybe you can put that time towards scumhunting in the future?

-Cerb

Pedit: technically, it's EVERYONE'S game, since without any one of us it doesn't function as intended. We all have an obligation towards everyone else who has decided to put time into playing to actually respect the game and the effort put forth by all parties, not deliberately waste it by not participating.

No fucking shit.

I have things I have promised to do and I'm spending my FUCKING WEEKEDN which is some of the ONLY TIME I GET WITH MY OWNER watching a show with him.

So I'm checking in to not fall too too far behind aGAIN but I'm not fucking committing to serious posting jst now.

But you've driven me so fucking far into rage you useles sack of human waste.

DAeshCHVJ

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Nahdia, I didn't (and don't) care. I felt LLD needed to know her behavior was unacceptable, and told her so in moderately strong terms.

On the plus side, at least she's actually responding to posts made in this game, so hey, upside!

In any case, I don't actually think there's anything I could actually respond to in her last post, so.....not much more to say here.

-Cerb

And I feel you're a piece of shit.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p5201700

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Trust_Tell

Red Text/Umineko reference of that manner in Mafia is banned.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, I'm asking for 2 reasons:

1) If it's allowable in the game I want to use it! It was my style back in the day and I enjoyed it. People tried using it and did it poorly and got it banned.
2) If it isn't I want to nip it in the bud so no one gets site banned.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Why are people voting? This game hasn't even started, have they?

I open up Kuroi's iso and I see this.

Like...

someone run me down quickly: How bad is Kuroi as a player, in general? Like.... how inexperienced/incapable

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I can't believe we found scum before the game even began...

I can't believe we found scum before the game even began...

Who did you find?

I can't believe - not as in "Oh boy, I can't believe I'm going to my first baseball game!" but more as in, I can't believe in a sincere way.

I'm not. I said what I meant, but he took it to mean the other definition of the phrase.

Why is this so hard to believe? Like, people had their role PMs by then, so their intent was within boundries of their alignment.

I want to know why you felt this way?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

well this is going.

someone tell me who to vote.

Wayward.

~Bee

vote: wayward

cool.

VOTE: TWIE

You need to die if you can't think for yourself.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

I have thoughts on this, remind me to come back to this exchange once some flips occur.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You can read me however you like, but don't call it a bad vote when it's not, considering the early stage of day one.

Aight this is just not true, this is post 1200, and despite how I loath that the game has become this large, 1200 posts in not "Early day one" ok?

Like, once again I need to call in someone to assess your competency because this doesn't feel genuine but it could be from a bad enough player.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

that's mr. hominem to you

or it would be if smartass was really an insult

I'm sorry. For some reason, I mistook you for a woman.
And it's less about the insult than it is about the attacking:


Please pay attention to yourself. You're really making me dislike The Lion King. It's my favorite Disney film.

@Titus, the confidence is because everyone's case on me is weak.

@SaltSquad, overused meme is overused.

ok we can lynch this.

He doesn't care about the arguments being presented at any point, his entire ISO is him debating the definition and ideal of "sheeping" and voting on that policy

him discussing Ad hominem

and him discussing how he doesn't have enough info to do anything, despite it being 1200 posts in.

So yeah, there's more here but I'm sold, I'll lynch this. Consider my vote there, but it's L-2 and I want to do WT before day end.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Maybe FULLY reading my ISO before making your own judgments might be ideal...

Yeah I'm down to lynch this.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Maybe FULLY reading my ISO before making your own judgments might be ideal...

Yeah I'm down to lynch this.

Excellent retort. I concede to your superior logic.

It seems that you'd rather lynch someone who's critical in discussion rather than actually... discussing the topic.

You and Titus need to like, put your brains together, because you both have the same problem.

I don't need logic to lynch you, I just need gut and intent.

And it all feels scummy for your posting, and these reactions aren't helping you.

So

[Lady Lambdadelta]

So, you think that we'll start cooperating here? I find that unlikely.

I was the second person to vote you, that's early game.

You're not telling me who to look at. The semantic garbage on FA isn't helpful and I am ignoring it.

Please LLD.

?

Please what? I said count my vote as being on him, I'll hammer.

I just want to finish what I promised.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well why didn't you say so, Salty?

Does race indicate alignment?

Not 100%, but it's a big hint. And like I've said, Wulden are a scumfaction.

-Nahdia

That's funny because I'm an individual Wulden, and I targetted you last ngiht and found out you're a 2 shot BP with a "Other" Nation.

That sounds a hell of a lot like a Serial killer to me!

Vote: Storm

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do you deny you are an "Other" nation or that you have a 2 Shot BP?

Are you calling me a liar?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Or its just a faction against you scum.

I just literally pointed out that flavor points to Wulden being cult that can convert anything including Lycans on Wulden.
Do you not think that's scum?

Oh ok so flavour speculation is the game, cool.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am Sergius Seneca, Individual Wulden Rolecop.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

additionally I chose "Nation" at the beginning of the game to be able to check.

So I used both on SB last night.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Do you deny you are an "Other" nation or that you have a 2 Shot BP?

Are you calling me a liar?

No, those are both true. I can't be a serial killer considering you already know I'm either with you or I'm a spy for another faction. Namely, the Wulden faction.

-Nahdia

Read the flavor again and tell me they're not scum. Stop being dense.

-Nahdia

No, I am not reading flavor, because flavor isn't supposed to be anything.
You are trying to manipulate the town.

Theres no where beyond "flavor" that says anything about wulden being scum.

SO yeah, you are scum because I have a scumread on you.
You trying to say otherwise is scummier.

holy shit yes it does fucking read it.

Ok so you're factionally aligned with someone, so you're a scum bulletproof and probably investigation immune racially or something.

IDK I see "other" and 2 shot BP and it doesn't make me think "town"

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well at least this means that Storm's not the spy.
I doubt Wulden would lynch Wulden.

I know nothing about fucking Wuldens beyond me being an Indiviidual one, lmfao.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Wulden are, at the very least, enemies of the human treaty, that much i know.

Not this one!

Guess that makes me a fucking secret miller?

FANTASTIC GAME A+ 10/10

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like my win con specifically talks about winning with humans, and I don't know how much I can say but there's a treaty I'm meant to protect.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like my win con specifically talks about winning with humans, and I don't know how much I can say but there's a treaty I'm meant to protect.

Wait what?

Like I don't know how much I'm allowed to say without being modkilled so like.... I dunno? what do you want to know?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I guess this game's way harder than i thought.

no fucking shit apparently my racial is a fucking secret miller.

Welcome to things I didn't want out of this game.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like I don't know how much I'm allowed to say without being modkilled so like.... I dunno? what do you want to know?

Look at dram's flip and tell me if his wincon is similar to yours or not.

uh sure.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah Dram's is like.... that's more or less word for word mine?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like my win con specifically talks about winning with humans, and I don't know how much I can say but there's a treaty I'm meant to protect.

No, it doesn't, it would say "you win with the individual wulden faction" or w/e and be deliberately vague.

All of the information you've given so far you could easily have determined from what has already been posted in the thread.

dude that assumed I've read shit. I just checked in on the newest pages because it started going to the top of my ego search again and BOOM someone claiming they have some kind of guilty on me so I'm like... LOL

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD's attitude to this whole thing is inconsistently vacillating between "wtf i'm a secret miller grr so angry", and "oh how can i help you explain my wincon i'm so confused help"

So confusion and anger?

YEAH THAT SEEMS ABOUT FUCKING RIGHT

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@beeboy how your recruit function work?

Are you saying that you are uninformed about the rest of the people in your faction?

Is there a factional killing method as well?

~Ice

I target a human. Blah blah blah conditions may apply. I get a PT with them and

there win condition is converted to mine

.

Uh....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yeah Dram's is like.... that's more or less word for word mine?

Yeah, well that's bullshit because dramonic is an undead risen slave, not an individual undead.

Are you asking me to explain something I don't understand?

If I was fake claiming I'd have gone and looked at the fuckin' flips and used that.

My role PM says individual wulden and new human treaty... that's alll I know.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

@beeboy how your recruit function work?

Are you saying that you are uninformed about the rest of the people in your faction?

Is there a factional killing method as well?

~Ice

I target a human. Blah blah blah conditions may apply. I get a PT with them and

there win condition is converted to mine

.

Uh....

The near exact wording is they become a member of the individual vampire faction.

I see.

So is this the cult mechanic we speak of?

Are you like a third party survivor faction?

Like wha'ts your wincon?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

oh also,

Unvote: Stormblade

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I see.

So is this the cult mechanic we speak of?

Are you like a third party survivor faction?

Like wha'ts your wincon?

Kuroi is literally flipped and has my win condition with the factional parts blurred out.

oh, ok. I'll go read that thebn.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

All of the "individual x" roles flipped so far have had wincons of "you win with the individual x faction". LLD is claiming an "individual wulden" faction and telling us that she wins if threats to the human treaty are eliminated.

LLD is

obviously lying

.

Except my role pm says I'm fucking not, and if I was fake claiming, maybe you think I'd have read the dead people's PM's before I wrote my wincon?

like, your logic here is basically that I'm stupid.

So....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD probably used the wincon from a different fakeclaim the Wulden have and thought they would be the same.

More assumptions that I'm fucking retarded.

This is fun, I love it when people who are worse at this game than me call me scum, and then assume that I'm so stupid I wouldn't lurk the thread, prepare a good fake claim and walk in and drop it.

Instead of claiming something that is obviously weird.

Fuck you.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Well technically you claimed somethign ALREADY FLIPPED, after being FACTION COP'd.

If I was scum why would I not use a mod given fake claim. How would I get the knowledge of the redacted part of the Kuroi flip if I wasn't a vampire myself.
Come on Luna

THIS IS WHAT I'M SAYING.

ALL THESE PEOPLE TARGETTING ME FOR LIKE "YOUR INDIVIDUAL WIN CON ISN'T THE SAME"

SHOULD SERIOUSLY CONSIDERWHAT THEFUCK THEY ARE SMOKING

[Lady Lambdadelta]

*Sigh*

*Lays back in a hammock, grabs a beer, and quietly holds a message about the existence of an SK-sounding entity*

just fucking claim your shit dude no one's going to specifically give you special attention, just fucking claim.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

LLD is a much better lynch than Salt Squad because LLD's claim is bullshit and Salt Squad sound more genuine, and actually have a good claim.

I think the fact that they expect the individual vampire conversion redacted part on Kuroi's rolecard to confirm them as town is a towntell.

It's so odd that today I completely agree with Expedience and think he's the most reasonable person on this table.

-Nahdia

my claim isn't even fucking...

whatever

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, if Expedience is scum I'm going to be really sad because right now they're being one of the few voices of reason in a clusterfuck of willful ignorance.

-Nahdia

LLD is a much better lynch than Salt Squad because LLD's claim is bullshit and Salt Squad sound more genuine, and actually have a good claim.

I think the fact that they expect the individual vampire conversion redacted part on Kuroi's rolecard to confirm them as town is a towntell.

It's so odd that today I completely agree with Expedience and think he's the most reasonable person on this table.

-Nahdia

my claim isn't even fucking...

whatever

I mean, I'm thinking about it. It seems weird, but I'm not sure I want to vote you based on just that.

-Nahdia

I honestly have no idea why my wincon is different to the individual vapire and human roles that have flipped, I just read what is on my role PM.

I can't argue with you about mechanics I don't understand.

So you figure it out. You know I'm telling the truth about my ability, so like, I get the feeling ina crazy game like this, I'm meant to find people with abilities that are skethcy and they want to hide, so.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Like, if Expedience is scum I'm going to be really sad because right now they're being one of the few voices of reason in a clusterfuck of willful ignorance.

-Nahdia

LLD is a much better lynch than Salt Squad because LLD's claim is bullshit and Salt Squad sound more genuine, and actually have a good claim.

I think the fact that they expect the individual vampire conversion redacted part on Kuroi's rolecard to confirm them as town is a towntell.

It's so odd that today I completely agree with Expedience and think he's the most reasonable person on this table.

-Nahdia

my claim isn't even fucking...

whatever

I mean, I'm thinking about it. It seems weird, but I'm not sure I want to vote you based on just that.

-Nahdia

I honestly have no idea why my wincon is different to the individual vapire and human roles that have flipped, I just read what is on my role PM.

I can't argue with you about mechanics I don't understand.

So you figure it out. You know I'm telling the truth about my ability, so like, I get the feeling ina crazy game like this, I'm meant to find people with abilities that are skethcy and they want to hide, so.

OK, well, you actually essentially confirmed me as town to my hood. So really, I should be thanking you. Thanks, friend.

-Nahdia

You guys mentioned a Wulden spy?

Like, can you be explicit about that? like, what info EXACTLY did it say

Cause like, depending on wordings couldn't it jsut refer to having a Wulden (me) who is part of the treaty?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

My target on day 1 was LLD was a wulden.

Fair enough! We can check this out AND Wuldens are the CULT in my mind anyway, so I'm game!

VOTE: LLD

You haven't read at all.

I am an individual wulden wo wins with the new human treaty.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Yes LLD, the wording literally makes it explicit that the Wulden (if any) in our hood is a bad guy.
Whether you're part of that Wulden faction or not is another matter entirely and you claiming the exact same win con as us when your race appears to be our enemy is entirely suspicious.

Well that's just racist isn't it?

#NotAllWuldens

(In seriousness, I get the feeling that the reason why I'm listed as individual Wulden is because I might be the ONLY ONE and that all the Wuldens are fucking evil so.)

(My assumption is currently I'm a secret miller.)

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I did explicitly role cop LLD

Did you ROLE Cop her or did you RACE Cop her? Please be specific. It may not matter on THIS particular outcome, but it does matter on others I think, since we had flips from the same nation belonging to different factions.

Rolefishing?

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Look at the flips. There have been multiple "Individual" faction modifiers, as well as LLD claiming "Individual" Wulden. It clearly means "Not in a PT."

-Nahdia

OH.

OHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

!!!!!!!!!!!

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I am Sergius Seneca, Individual Wulden Rolecop.

Spare me the detail, please. Go right to the bottom: What does your win con look like?

Already claimed, read please.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

This hydra dissonance is so annoying....

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You know what, I'm willing to entertain the idea of LLD being an individual Wulden. I did strong townread them yesterday. So fine, it's a possibility.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: LLD

It just doesn't add up.

Albert

It does add up.

Individual appears to mean "No access to any PTs".

I don't have access to a PT.

I'm a Wulden.

Individual Wulden.

Who wins with the New Human Treaty.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

You know what, I'm willing to entertain the idea of LLD being an individual Wulden. I did strong townread them yesterday. So fine, it's a possibility.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: LLD

It just doesn't add up.

Albert

It does add up.

Individual appears to mean "No access to any PTs".

I don't have access to a PT.

I'm a Wulden.

Individual Wulden.

Who wins with the New Human Treaty.

Individual also seems to mean not knowing exactly what your win condition is.

I invite anyone who is "individual x" but doesn't have a wincon of "you win when all threats to the individual x faction have been eliminated" to claim this.

Individual Wulden is basically the only thing LLD could claim if she was actually Wulden. I think she had another fakeclaim prepared which was human or something, and decided to just change the race to Wulden, leaving the wincon unaltered.

Or the more likely thing is that I'm not fucking retarded and know how to fake claim and wouldn't deliberately claim something that drew MORE attention to me for having discrepancy.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

WHY WOULD I NOT BE GIVEN A FAKE CLAIM IF I WAS SCUM.
WHY WOULD IF LUNA CLAIMED A "ISOLATION WHATEVER THING" RESULT ON ME WOULD I CLAIM INDIVIDUAL VAMPIRE.

like come on you guys are being terrible.

Stop screaming that, you're starting to sound like a broken record! Like, none of us can check on you inbox and verify you don't have a scum claim to begin with. Maybe Individual Vampires ARE own after all and maybe THAT is your fake scum claim.

The thing is a Cop investigated you and returned a different result. Moreover, your claim doesn't even make sense (what with every one of you has a 1-shot recruit of their own, and yet not sharing a PT ..etc.). Maybe you were given the claim but not the details. How the freak are we supposed to know what a fake claim looks like anyway, unless you're assuming all players are scum and are all given fake claims like you.

Now you vote LLD, and she votes you back.. 2 caught scum .. let the people decide which of you gets offed today. The other will probably be gone by night, and that's one reason I want to lynch LLD over you, because your doctor is already dead. That and the admittedly thin reason of wanting to see how a Wulden's win con looks like.

You won't see a normal Wulden's wincon from me, because I am not aligned with the Wulden faction.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Almost50 sounds like he's some kind of non-Wulden scum BTW

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I did explicitly role cop LLD

Did you ROLE Cop her or did you RACE Cop her? Please be specific. It may not matter on THIS particular outcome, but it does matter on others I think, since we had flips from the same nation belonging to different factions.

Rolefishing?

This response ALONE is enough for me to pursue your lynch to the end of time and beyond. YOU said you investigated their race, then YOU said you Role Copped them. I only asked you to specify which one YOU meant of the two YOU typed! How on Earth is that rolefishing?

Once again, for the last time I targeted STORMBRINGER NOT SALTSQUAD.

You were told this multiple times.

and yet you continue to be what appears to be deliberately ignorant for the purposes of your own agenda.

I'm happy with this vote.

Vote: Almost50

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Another point of clarification:

FACTIONAL RECRUITS:

There may be some slight moderator inconsistency in these that would cause confusion. However, the following facts are both public and true:
-Unless otherwise specified,

ALL non-human factions have a recruit

.
-Unless otherwise specified,

This recruit can ONLY succeed on HUMANS

.
-Unless otherwise specified,

Only one recruit per faction can succeed

.
This one, in particular, may be confusing. Say Player X and Player Y share the same win condition.
If Player X and Player Y both attempt to recruit during the same night, both recruits will fail.
If Player X attempted a recruit and failed N1, but Player Y attempted a valid recruit N2, Player Y will succeed.
If Player X attempted a recruit N1 and succeeded, then Player Y attempting a recruit N2 will fail no matter what.

If you have further questions, continue to ask them, and I will continue to give clarifications as I see them.

For further reading, refer to the second-to-last bulletpoint in the mechanics post.

To be clear to everyone lynching me for cult panic.

"ALL NON HUMAN FACTIONS HAVE A RECRUIT UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED."

Specifying factions and not RACES, should tell you everything you need to know about Individual Wulden and whether I have anything to do with a cult, so.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

Another point of clarification:

FACTIONAL RECRUITS:

There may be some slight moderator inconsistency in these that would cause confusion. However, the following facts are both public and true:
-Unless otherwise specified,

ALL non-human factions have a recruit

.
-Unless otherwise specified,

This recruit can ONLY succeed on HUMANS

.
-Unless otherwise specified,

Only one recruit per faction can succeed

.
This one, in particular, may be confusing. Say Player X and Player Y share the same win condition.
If Player X and Player Y both attempt to recruit during the same night, both recruits will fail.
If Player X attempted a recruit and failed N1, but Player Y attempted a valid recruit N2, Player Y will succeed.
If Player X attempted a recruit N1 and succeeded, then Player Y attempting a recruit N2 will fail no matter what.

If you have further questions, continue to ask them, and I will continue to give clarifications as I see them.

For further reading, refer to the second-to-last bulletpoint in the mechanics post.

To be clear to everyone lynching me for cult panic.

"ALL NON HUMAN FACTIONS HAVE A RECRUIT UNLESS OTHERWISE SPECIFIED."

Specifying factions and not RACES, should tell you everything you need to know about Individual Wulden and whether I have anything to do with a cult, so.

So does the Individual Wulden faction have a recruit?
-Nahdia

No?

My only abilities are to Role Cop and to Nation Check.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

I was waiting for LLD to show up and defend herself. she seems preety flaked atm - gave up scum maybe

~Ice

nah just fully flaked, hoenstly.

Hard week, very hard week + being ill.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

nah just fully flaked, hoenstly.

Hard week, very hard week + being ill.

your here now

talk

~Ice

No?

I don't care, vote me if you want this is a bad game.

I'm town, but it's like, I'm not bothered either way.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

No?

I don't care, vote me if you want this is a bad game.

I'm town, but it's like, I'm not bothered either way.

:/

It wasn't a bad game for the humanity so far

~Ice

no like it's a bad game because it''s not mafia, it's like barely a game.

So I'm apathetic.

[Lady Lambdadelta]

She prob is scum and I'm just so used to LLD being a useless sack of shit as town that its clouding my judgement. At the same time its not really like anyone that is an independent Wulden could claim 'cause they'd just get shot. I was mostly just pointing out how dumb Toog was being.

See, normally I'd get pissed and remind you how much better I am at this game than you.

But this game is a sack of shit, and I just don't care.

So instead, I'll just remind you that I have no idea who the fuck you are, which should tell everyone all they need to know.