Gistou (Over!)

[Titus]

That's all you can find because you're scum and incapable of reading, all you can do is see.

Yes, I am siriously threatening you with my vote.

My normal response to this kind of shitty behaviors is to say "Fuck off"

I won't respond to it anyway cuase I'm done getting force replaced for people like you corning me and making me toxic.

so ....

Hi town. (Hugs)

[Titus]

I want to talk about percentages again.

whyyyyy
Well percentages of someone being scum due to some weird math is fine, i just dont get the benefit of discussing chances of being culted, when the only ones interested in that would be the cult recruiters.

@Heartless, Yeah, not really. If Frozen is scum, I don't get the town feels. I got the feels. I am pretty good at reading Frozen. I'm pretty sure they are town. Sorry that you cannot read them as well or are scum. I am Madam Grumpy with a cold and they are obvtown.

[Titus]

I haven't disliked anything you have done Frozen but I am not confident in my ability to read you because I have seen you play as scum I think 4 time or some large number and I town read you every time so I think I need to figure out a different method to read you.
~Bee

I guess that's fair enough.

Titus your a weird player. I appreciate your town read though we need to talk about how you did this if its ok with you. I'm really interested to know.

@bins your not saying anything that we wanna discuss it with you, catch up so we can talk

~Ice

Frozen cannot fake that type of emotion as scum. Never seen it. People thought she did in NY 191 but nope.

[Titus]

titus if your ego comes out and rules everytging this game i will be pissed

at you

Great. Do be pissed if that happens. My reads don't have to be yours.

I am grumpy and snappy, but I have zero intention on "ruling". When you frame the issue as people who disagree must be dumb or scum, you're getting a hostile response.

[Titus]

Housey/Wakey poo, are you scum?

Pedit let me post.

[Titus]

Housey/Wakey poo, are you scum?

Pedit let me post.

Of course we are.

You know I'm a lightning rod for scumreads over silly shit.

But you said something untrue to me. That makes me sad. I don't wanna be angry sat.

[Titus]

Housey/Wakey poo, are you scum?

Pedit let me post.

Of course we are.

You know I'm a lightning rod for scumreads over silly shit.

But you said something untrue to me. That makes me sad. I don't wanna be angry sat.

Where?

When you said Frozen wasn't emotional where I townread them

[Titus]

Housey/Wakey poo, are you scum?

Pedit let me post.

Of course we are.

You know I'm a lightning rod for scumreads over silly shit.

But you said something untrue to me. That makes me sad. I don't wanna be angry sat.

Where?

When you said Frozen wasn't emotional where I townread them

That's not what I said, and I don't understand why you think that.

I said you townread them prior to the post you quoted, which seemed odd to me that you used a later post to justify the read.

Yeah, no. I mean what I say and say what I mean.

Just so I get this clear, you're claiming that I townread Frozen prior to the post where I claimed to. Given you know my tendency to call a spade a spade, why would you think that?

[Titus]

The way we would do that is pick one that you'd always get as a multiple recipient. Not a fan of the idea though as I think the general tenor of Cerb's post is right. Mass claiming = baaaddd.

[Titus]

Titus you're townreading FA hydra because of her emotion solely?

-sc

Yup. She's no LLD in terms of scumplay (sorry Frozen).

[Titus]

I want to talk about percentages again.

whyyyyy
Well percentages of someone being scum due to some weird math is fine, i just dont get the benefit of discussing chances of being culted, when the only ones interested in that would be the cult recruiters.

@Heartless, Yeah, not really. If Frozen is scum, I don't get the town feels. I got the feels. I am pretty good at reading Frozen. I'm pretty sure they are town. Sorry that you cannot read them as well or are scum. I am Madam Grumpy with a cold and they are obvtown.

Here's where you get all hyper about Frozen being town...

I haven't disliked anything you have done Frozen but I am not confident in my ability to read you because I have seen you play as scum I think 4 time or some large number and I town read you every time so I think I need to figure out a different method to read you.
~Bee

I guess that's fair enough.

Titus your a weird player. I appreciate your town read though we need to talk about how you did this if its ok with you. I'm really interested to know.

@bins your not saying anything that we wanna discuss it with you, catch up so we can talk

~Ice

Frozen cannot fake that type of emotion as scum. Never seen it. People thought she did in NY 191 but nope.

Then you justify it in this later post, instead of...

That's all you can find because you're scum and incapable of reading, all you can do is see.

Yes, I am siriously threatening you with my vote.

My normal response to this kind of shitty behaviors is to say "Fuck off"

I won't respond to it anyway cuase I'm done getting force replaced for people like you corning me and making me toxic.

so ....

Hi town. (Hugs)

This one.

---

I'm not calling you scum for it. NOW, I can see your point. But at a skim, it doesn't read as genuine.

It's easier for me to understand reasoning for town when the content being used to explain that read was made prior to the read itself.

VOTE: House

First, I can barely breathe with this cold. I ain't getting hyper about shit.

Second, you come across as more of a whiner here tat there's nothing to pick at so you complain that I didn't say so immediately.

[Titus]

Titus you're townreading FA hydra because of her emotion solely?

-sc

Yup. She's no LLD in terms of scumplay (sorry Frozen).

Wasn't she super emotional in like the Steven Universe Prequel and other games as scum tho? What's the difference?
Like I get the townread there and agree but the reasoning behind it is weird.

-sc

I am not recalling SU the prequel. However, she has a markedly different tone in her scumgames. See NY 191. She just never quite feels town.

[Titus]

I wish it weren't pregame, my vote is quivering.

To butcher Missy Elliot...

Get your vote on
Get your vote on
Get your vote on

[Titus]

Yeah that was Denmark. You were townread because you were charming. I lack that. And I caught scum. I did wind up nailing you though.

[Titus]

Hmph, this page will help me read Drix at least...maybe #hoping

Pedit: House I will get to you in a moment. I sm phone posting.

[Titus]

Yeah that was Denmark. You were townread because you were charming. I lack that. And I caught scum. I did wind up nailing you though.

the last part is a lie.

I had enough townread to lynch you in a day phase.

and I'm definitely not *charming*

anyone else felt that way about me?! cuase thats weird.

~Ice

As scum you are. As town you are not. Scum are more charming.

[Titus]

Yeah that was Denmark. You were townread because you were charming. I lack that. And I caught scum. I did wind up nailing you though.

r u talking abt me or FA?

to be clear, I'm talking about the nailing part, not the charming part

FA, Sircakez wasn't in Denmark.

[Titus]

@SS/FA hydra, Check page 3 of my ISO there.

@House, That's blatantly untrue. I didn't do what you're claiming I did. Period. You're lying.

[Titus]

just got confused cause i was

anyways titus, the only scum u got in that game iirc was davsto and mayb nero

Nah. Not worth the energy.

Titus gets something stuck in her head and there is no reasoning with her.

There is. Nosferatu is being quite generous when they call your untrue statements mistakes.

[Titus]

How is there a post more than 200 posts prior to 74?

[Titus]

Yeah..I was replying to 270.

[Titus]

That's not a nitpick. I quote posts I am replying to.

Townread in 74.
270 asks why.
I reply back in 273.

Quoting 270 is not ex post facto rationale. It's just a conversation.

[Titus]

No. I quoted 270 as a reply. Your insistence on saying something untrue is why I am calling you a liar.

[Titus]

273 is a reply to 270, which is a followup to 263. By context 263 is referencing my earlier post. The post by Frozen gave me town feels, which I said again in 263 and again in 273.

[Titus]

How is 379 admitting his mistake, particularly when he kept pushing on it?

[Titus]

@LQ, Not sure. Too early to tell. If you stay active, I should have an opinion within a few IRL days. This cold is slowing down my usual processes.

[Titus]

Not a fan of the Nos scumread though. If anything Nos is more active than normal.

@RAM, Is Drixx ok?

[Titus]

Ok, I understand. Even if he cannot post, every once in awhile, I'd like to hear from him. Even if it's I am on page 15 and have no real significant thoughts. I know he's moving and it's not scummy to have RL issues (hell I do ATM), but that doesn't mean I'll stop wanting him to be a good scumhunter. Give him a hug for me? Also please tell me what days he is driving, as those will either be strict vla or heavy posting (probably dark in the desert).

[Titus]

@506, I am thinking you're defending and reading into what is not there. He said on a skim that doesn't look genuine. He sees my pont of view allegedly but then he continues to push as if I am scummy. His actions speak louder than words and indicate the meaning.

@LQ, Yeah well, that's life. Not going to rushwhen I feel uncomfortable. Doubly so with 3 town factions. Gtmy, you're town but I have like 5% confidence there.

[Titus]

Good evening everyone. LicketyQuickety, could you please point out what really does matter thus far?

I'm not sure I understand. In relation to what exactly?

With respect, you mentioned that Nosferatu doesn't seem to be actually solving the game, but pointing out stuff that really doesn't matter much.

I am reconsidering my read on them as I kinda said.

Does this mean you now think he's pointing out stuff that matters?

Unsure. I think it will be more telling with a few flips.

What I'm wanting to understand is how he's supposed to be pointing out stuff that really matters when it's not even Day 1 yet.

It is Day 1 in all but the voting.

[Titus]

@LQ, Yeah well, that's life. Not going to rushwhen I feel uncomfortable. Doubly so with 3 town factions. Gtmy, you're town but I have like 5% confidence there.

Three?

That's pretty specific. Where did you get that information?

The three human nations. If you were town, that'd be evident.

[Titus]

@LQ, Yeah well, that's life. Not going to rushwhen I feel uncomfortable. Doubly so with 3 town factions. Gtmy, you're town but I have like 5% confidence there.

Three?

That's pretty specific. Where did you get that information?

The three human nations. If you were town, that'd be evident.

So, you're under the assumption the nations are seperate factions.

That's all you had to say. The barbed bullshit was unnecessary.

Oh, it was necessary.

did you read the flavor intro?

[Titus]

@cain and able - you did not answer. Please explicitly say whether you read the flavor.

[Titus]

@cain and able - you did not answer. Please explicitly say whether you read the flavor.

Can't speak for Wake, but i didn't because I have no knowledge of or interest in Gintou.

I skimmed over shit I needed to read to make a decision on our night actions, but I didn't sit here and engross myself in the lore. The only time I really get into flavor is when I can identify with the flavor. This flavor is just... foreign.

Even a cursory read through should tell you there's three human factions. The lack of this knowledge strongly suggests that you are scum. Is it a slip? Nope, as there is a mystical way a human could plan night actions without it. Still, a human with no idea who is on their side is a bitter pill to swallow from a slot that admittedly splits hairs.

[Titus]

I'm interested in giving everyone a fair shake and come into this game without preconceived notions.

So who do we kill once the pregame deadline hits?

Albert

My money is obviously Cane and Able. What are your thoughts? I heard from Nahdia, but you're just asking questions.

[Titus]

VOTE: Cane and Able

The Nos votes suck, their vote sucks. The heartless vote is rather meh. Anti's probably town though. I've been scum with him and I cannot seem him efforting this hard as scum.

[Titus]

One bad reason after another for town-reading or avoiding heartless.

They tripped 3 alarm bells in their opening posts, if they are scum it should become clear pretty soon if you guys stop propping them up.

Go on...

[Titus]

VOTE: Cane and Able

The Nos votes suck, their vote sucks. The heartless vote is rather meh. Anti's probably town though. I've been scum with him and I cannot seem him efforting this hard as scum.

that's efforting? i dont have a strong read on them yet and i don't have a clue why you do

Meh is less than sucks. I do have reservations of what Heartless has posted. I also do think this is harder than Anti would try as scum, so that's my tiebreaker.

@LQ, How can you play with me this much and not know what moon logic is?

[Titus]

197 199 were the best examples of what irked me anti.

I liked 564 though.

You opened kinda throwing darts which makes it harder for me to feel good about you but you then picked up steam.

[Titus]

1) Nero Cain is spelled quite differently.
2) Cane & Able is the title of a House episode.

It's obviously based off Cain & Abel though.

And thanks for forming further distracting associations with Kurio's avatar.

They've been using House avies forever.

House uses a

cane

now because he's slightly dis

able

d.

Silly me, I forgot something:

VOTE: Expedience

Hey, there's a whole shiny game for you to comment on, Grandma.

[Titus]

@SC, that's not waffles. Nice meme. It says I felt iffy about Anti but he got better and now he's a weak townread.

@Anti, will remember post tags next time. Sorry.

[Titus]

Actually I like this better
VOTE: expedience

Mod: Nos is voting Expedience

<<< I saw, but forgot to remove his vote from you. This has been fixed. >>>

[Titus]

@LQ, How can you play with me this much and not know what moon logic is?

I never quite understood exactly what it was and still don't.

@Wayward Thinker - Lickety, you've played with Titus and with me. You know how we think outside the box, but we do it kinda like we're trippin' balls on peyote while reading too many Agatha Christie novels? That's moonlogic.

Is it an exclusive club? cuz i feel I fit right in there with you guys.

No. It's not...but this feels like awkward. Dunno why...

[Titus]

I like the extras section of the vote count, wtg Mastin.
@Klingon: While i appreciate voting my scumread, can you comment on everything else?

I'm not sheeping you.

That's

my

Scumread I'm voting.

I think Titus and the House heads are Town.

I think Lickety's Scum.

The game's too big with too many mechanics for me to comment on everything this freakin' early. Wednesday of next week is far more likely.

Not every read is mechanics based...

Seriously blatantly skirting content and fighting is your scum mo. Saw it in you can be anyone and saga.
I am not waiting, if I have my way, half way through an annoyingly long d1 to hear from you.

[Titus]

I think Titus and the

House

heads are Town.

Tell me more about that.

I'll know more later on, but so far we haven't had Wake's Random Wall O' Bullshit, that's always a good sign.

Town House: Fuck you I'm not sorry.
Scum House: Could you go fuck yourself, please?

Titus' nitpicking tunnel looks typical of Town Titus. (Of course the best tell is her legendary Day 3 VCA.)

It's Day 4 VCA in a large. If you're going to call me legendary...Ewwww, then at least get it right.

Second, your house read looks semanticky.

@Math, thanks for confirming expedience as town. P.s. I do have thoughts on expedience. :-p the wagon is rather crappy.

[Titus]

I'm probably the nth caller at this point for Titus to explain why she thinks TTH is tryharding

i think she thinks i wrote 564...?

idk

It's your hydra. 564 is good posting.

(Link in quote)

[Titus]

What's your reason for why I am Scum?

Town Lickety is cocky & goofy.

Scum Lickety is quieter and appease-y.

Ehhhhhhhhh.....this is probably true, but can we not do meta reads

My meta reads are great.

A lot of people can't do meta reads.

Please don't try to stifle those of us that can.

Please post links where your meta reads have been "great."

Go to my profile page and read my games. I'm not digging through all that now, or anytime soon.

Start with 1.

[Titus]

What is COM hunting?

It's hunting for the identity of an anonymous poster in an anonymous game... Why klingon is citing it here, I have no idea.

(Anti, I thought you decided to use proper grammar. Looks like I need to redo my read in the morning.)

[Titus]

@Math, You're confbiasing. You do that and you're very frequently wrong, regardless of alignment and you then scumread whoever disagrees.

[Titus]

Tired, I'm going to keep it short, maybe I'll come back after a shower.

I'm a fan of Expedience death.
Both of the wayward heads made bad entrances and no redeeming factors about that slot.
Someone said beeboy (Salt) was scum and I agree. Actions and words are on different frequencies here.
Titus isn't really actively applying any pressure anywhere.

Add early scumreads on C+A and ASOIAF that haven't dissolved.
3 townreads so far.

pedit- make that 4

-errant

I'm sorry... You're scumreading my biggest scumread, and claiming I am not actively applying pressure? Wtf.

[Titus]

@Math, You're confbiasing. You do that and you're very frequently wrong, regardless of alignment and you then scumread whoever disagrees.

How am I conf biasing here? I have suggested a theory of you three and potentially Nos on a different team.
Confirmation bias requires a history not just a suggestion when it was my catchup post.

Explain to me how Expedience is town. Because I do not see how me posting my catchup reads upon replace in confirms Expedience as town.

Expedience is town because you're centering the game around him being scum. That person you center on (Infinity in gunslingers for instance) is almost always town.

Then you try to place associations on the first day of D1, preflips no less.

These associations are those who disagree with you.

[Titus]

@Math, You're confbiasing. You do that and you're very frequently wrong, regardless of alignment and you then scumread whoever disagrees.

How am I conf biasing here? I have suggested a theory of you three and potentially Nos on a different team.
Confirmation bias requires a history not just a suggestion when it was my catchup post.

Explain to me how Expedience is town. Because I do not see how me posting my catchup reads upon replace in confirms Expedience as town.

Titus is defending me indirectly and saying that Mathblade is confbiasing implies that she thinks that both Mathblade and I are town. Yet she has never stated this.

I figured it was pretty direct. You know the part where I said all the wagons are sucky/meh too...

[Titus]

I don't think that makes Expedience town. I think you are terrible but even I don't discredit you that bad.

Yeah, you do Nero imo, but that's a discussion for another time. At least I am telling Math the problem rather than just saying they suck. They are not a bad player if they'd stop trying to fit everything immediately and observe/document the patterns for collaborative discussion, they'd be more effective and possibly easier to work with and correct wrong reads faster. Given I used to do that myself, i figured a direct approach is best.

[Titus]

I'm sorry... You're scumreading my biggest scumread, and claiming I am not actively applying pressure? Wtf.

I know!
What a world isn't it? Where two scumreads can also be scumreading each other?

Someone said beeboy (Salt) was scum and I agree. Actions and words are on different frequencies here.

Can you find me an example of this?

~Bee

I'll answer this question, but I'll let you know that I went through your iso to find specific examples and ended up a little less confident about this read.
You say you have scumreads and they need to die, but you're not actually acting on those words
You say you "aggressively have reads" and "scum players will try to match that" but I'm not seeing this aggression.

-errant

You mean three pages of me back and forth with them when I damn near have them in a scum slip and I am voting them does not count as acting on it? Do you need 20? For me to stop everyone else from scumhunting, fuck no.

[Titus]

It's after 2am my time, I've been running on 4 hours' sleep the past few nights, I'm in several other large themes, and this one JUST started.

I'm really not emotionally involved with it right now. By the middle of next week I should care more.

Damned unlikely that there will be a lynch before then.

Well, I Have said you are Scum before for using AtE just like this. I'm starting to think I need to move my vote. Would do it in a heartbeat if I wasn't hydraing with Suz.

I don't do AtE. Never have.

Where the hell does it look like I'm using AtE in my post? Why would I need to on the very first day of a game when no one's voting for me?

You AtE as a course of nature grandma.

[Titus]

I don't think that makes Expedience town. I think you are terrible but even I don't discredit you that bad.

Yeah, you do Nero imo, but that's a discussion for another time. At least I am telling Math the problem rather than just saying they suck. They are not a bad player if they'd stop trying to fit everything immediately and observe/document the patterns for collaborative discussion, they'd be more effective and possibly easier to work with and correct wrong reads faster. Given I used to do that myself, i figured a direct approach is best.

You want to "help me get better" and a "direct approach" fine.

Teach me how to read people. Start by explaining why Expedience is town without using my posts. Because quite frankly even without what I think is potential associative tells it is still likely Expedience is scum. Show me how I am wrong and how you are right.

The wagon on him is an utter shit, get the game going wagon. Klingon's vote is textbook jump onto safe wagon.

There's much scumier players but Expedience takes off, right after he threatens Cain and Able...

I don't agree with many of his reads, but disagreement is not scummy. He takes positions that are aggressive and unpopular, sound familiar?

Second, I have my flaws. Don't take me stopping you from making my mistakes as me being a total elitst. I could be wrong on Expedience.

[Titus]

when I damn near have them in a scum slip

I'm glad you brought this up, because I would have if you didn't.
You think that out of 3 pages of back and forth, this deserves special mention. Clearly you think this one juicy piece of evidence.
Didn't you think it odd that it fell on deaf ears as far as the rest of the playerlist is concerned? Did you not find that interesting?

-errant

Frustrating, but yelling at everyone is not going to get me to find out who his buddies are. Even then, I know it has a minor flaw.

[Titus]

I don't see a reason why expedience is town in that. I see the following
1) You try to paint Expedience similar to me.
2) You use the events of others to explain why Expedience is town as if you are starting from the fact Expedience is town.
3) You waffle on the Expedience read.
4) Disagreement with reads is NAI with 28 players except your reads kinda seem to match up.

Find me posts of Expedience that explain Expedience is town. Show me that mindset.

I am trying to improve as you said I need to.
In fact anyone can answer this. Please show me where I am mistaken.

@davesaz -- It is a thing I do. I look at the main events of the day and question why they unfold the way they do and see what shakes out.

The events of others show why he's town. You're putting the cart before the horse. Excluding interactions by others isn't good. Klingon's vote is bad. Expedience is like you in the fact you both have unpopular reads (even excluding Cain and Abel) and he's aggressive.

I'm not waffling on the read though.

P-edit: House, please stop alt slipping.

[Titus]

I can't see why expe wagon formed.

people just voted him.

someone explain why they felt the aggression and calling so many people scum is scummy

~Ice

This is the short version of why Expedience is town aside from Math's push.

[Titus]

Where is ABR

I like where our vote is

I want ABR talking

whoever knows him knows what I'm talking about

~Ice

It's like 1 am for him. I will be sleeping soon.

[Titus]

I can't see why expe wagon formed.

people just voted him.

someone explain why they felt the aggression and calling so many people scum is scummy

~Ice

This is the short version of why Expedience is town aside from Math's push.

Oh god so much associative tells.

Again I am not excluding the events. I think the events are what make him scum in my intro posts.

Again I am asking find me a post of Expedience's that is townie. If you have a town read on Expedience this shouldn't be hard. If you think I am reading Expedience incorrectly show me their posts and how. Break it down.

I am going to bed I have work in the morning.

All of them, but in particular is wrong but townie scumread of Dave.

[Titus]

So Titus, you went from what Expedience thought was soft defense right into hard. How can you be so sure?
I have him as scum for trying to fit what I'm posting into scum motivation, but I have a weakness for OMGUSing people and want to check it vs. other evidence.

Because I get scumread as town for saying unpopular shit as town all the time.

He's jumping from I don't get it to scum with your read. A Followup would be better, but my way isn't the only way to play.

[Titus]

yeah Dave is scum

You think this is ny 191 Dave?

[Titus]

I can't see why expe wagon formed.

people just voted him.

someone explain why they felt the aggression and calling so many people scum is scummy

~Ice

This is the short version of why Expedience is town aside from Math's push.

I found this and wanted to follow up to it separately. How is "people just voted him" an indication of town, in a multi-faction game? Or any game for that matter, wagons do form and sometimes they are on scum.

I'll admit this is a unique setup with multiple town factions, but I am supposing that town and scum still behave similarly and human = town. Wagons do form and on scum, but you're oversimplifying. Expedience is wagoned for unpopular opinions, but not ones that are scummy imho.

[Titus]

ny 191-http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=64409

the Dave is this game was NOT in that game. It was Davsto who is totes a diffrent player unless alt.

Shit, I am really fucking tired. I think bedtime is in order.

Goodnight.

[Titus]

I'll admit this is a unique setup with multiple town factions, but I am supposing that town and scum still behave similarly and human = town.

Human is most definitely town.
There's also at least 1 non human race (mine) that needs to elminate all threats to the human treaty, but i dont know who shares this win condition.
That's pretty much all i've gathered so far.

Ok, I am bad, but one more question.

You're the second player to claim non human but human aligned, yet I didn't see that in the flavor...how is that possible?

[Titus]

You're the second player to claim non human but human aligned, yet I didn't see that in the flavor...how is that possible?

It's explained in the flavor of my role PM at the very least, something about coexisting, sorry im not very good at paraphrasing and i dont wanna go further than that.

Probably best left at that for now. It doesn't quite sit right with me but I cannot research the flavor myself and I am townreading you aside from that. It doesn't seem like something scum would claim either.

[Titus]

I'd call that a newb post, if I hadn't looked at your topic list. Did you not pay attention to the earlier discussion that giving scum info is a bad idea.

I'm sorry it's just that i like trying to figure things out and since Titus was proposing something that was different from what I knew i figured i'd interject, sorry >.<

And you're by definition not human...

[Titus]

maybe they have lives

??? idk what that is

Me neither.

I am hanging back hoping that gladiates isn't real. I can't see Nahdia legit gladiating while the thread wants to hear from ABR. Hell, even I want to hear from him.

Nahdia, why did you ignore my case on Cane and Able? Then you tell me that I ignored yours when we've been talking about Expedience. I has sads.

[Titus]

Btw Titus, there's something i've been wondering, when you were thinking that Cane + Able scumslipped due to the nations thingamajig, BBMolla commented on it, but idr if you replied to it or not, did you see it at least?

Nope. BBMolla isn't human either by his claim, so I mentally rolled my eyes. Thread is big enough as is.

[Titus]

Okay now you guys are just being dumb. There's no way Luna is scum <_<

I find myself agreeing wit everything you're saying lately minus Dave scum...

[Titus]

does anyone other than expe even not read luna as town right now, i really dont think they do

Wait seriously?!

I read them as town aligned but not town.

[Titus]

Fuck I think I am confusing you and Nero. This game is too fucking big.

Now damn I wouldn't even sheep me onto Cane and Able given my cold.

[Titus]

@Luna,

Feel free not to answer this, but it would help for my own scumhunting. Do you know other members of your race and do they share your wincon?

[Titus]

Ok, so we're not looking at masonesque type behavior. Good. I hate masons unless I am one. They set off false positives.

[Titus]

Hey ABR, there's a whole thread over here.

[Titus]

Ok, so we're not looking at masonesque type behavior. Good. I hate masons unless I am one. They set off false positives.

she just claimed to NOT know how is that masonesque

I just said we're NOT looking at masons.

[Titus]

Hey ABR, there's a whole thread over here.

I don't care. Bloodborne was devastating. I will let Errant and Nahdia take point.

Spoiler: What I want to say

Hey, people will be dumbnesses. If you're two thirds of the player you think you are and are town, we could use you.

ABR, I get that game was devastating. The more you try to control people, the more we rebel and don't listen. Giving up isn't the right answer. I also have quite a few questions for you. Plus, given the derp errors I have made, there's plenty of good giffage to be had.

[Titus]

im not reading these Handwritten Notes(tm)

Someone added handwritten notes? Are they insane?

[Titus]

@ABR, Have you read?

How do you feel about Expedience and Nahdia glaciating them?

Thoughts on Cane and Able?

Who are your biggest townreads? Scumreads?

If you had a vig shot who would you shoot?

[Titus]

Why do you like Cane and Able?

[Titus]

@SC, that's not waffles. Nice meme. It says I felt iffy about Anti but he got better and now he's a weak townread.

@Anti, will remember post tags next time. Sorry.

That sounds waffly to me

i had forgotten how fucking amazing mastin votecounts are

<<< <3 >>>

^ this
Seriously these VCs are awesome

Tired, I'm going to keep it short, maybe I'll come back after a shower.

I'm a fan of Expedience death.
Both of the wayward heads made bad entrances and no redeeming factors about that slot.
Someone said beeboy (Salt) was scum and I agree. Actions and words are on different frequencies here.
Titus isn't really actively applying any pressure anywhere.

Add early scumreads on C+A and ASOIAF that haven't dissolved.
3 townreads so far.

pedit- make that 4

-errant

This pings me but I'm not sure why. Probably the weird scumread on us.

I'm through pg 37. Dave looks scum, rb looks town, WT looks scum. Heartless has evolved to a townread.

Hydra post: Heartless evolving to a townread is waffly.

Later, Heartless has evolved to a townread.

[Titus]

Idk Cakey, if Storm blade was scum ABR could have easily agreed with errant's read of me to fuel Titus' hard-on for my mislynch.

Spoiler: Mature joke

I am a woman, I can pick the size needed to get the job done. You however are not a mislynch.

If ABR sheep's my reads and plays nice with me, do you seriously think anyone would townread him?

[Titus]

IT HAPPENED AGAIN CRI
I'm gonna start previewing my posts in case it happens again

-sc

You are. I was saying that you following my reads would draw a lot of attention so it's NAI.

[Titus]

This is mainly so that I express my paranoia of certain town reads I have before it comes up later and I flail around a bunch about how they are freaking the beejesus out of me.

This is overexplanatory and describing your own thought process unprompted is a scumtell.

The fuck?

Clarity is NEVER a bad thing.

Unless you're scum.

Your first impulse is correct. Clarity isn't a bad thing. I think it's applicable here. Sometimes word vomit is scum indicative like Experience is saying. The catch is this isn't word vomit.

[Titus]

Not Voting - 9 (Almost50, Cane + Able, Tim, RAM, Lady Lambdadelta, Skybird, Toogeloo, Franky, Luna Fox)

It would be helpful if you guys voted for someone.

Agreed.

RAM, being Cerb and Drixx will likely not vote though.

[Titus]

Titus is just scum

Up to page 33. I'm not feeling this yet. I think the claim of the factions might be town believing one thing, but not having the necessary information to bridge the gap, and therefore possibly putting their foot in their mouth. Most of Titus' posts haven't looked scummy either, and I've been mostly looking at those in my skim. I believe it's more likely that we are both town, just different town factions.

Well, purple flying aliens (place holder for Luna's race) are not exactly mentioned in flavor. I generally supposed that all factions were mentioned in the flavor.

[Titus]

Yeah, I am not touching A50. This is open 627 A50.

[Titus]

A50 heartless isn't scum. Put the antlers away.

[Titus]

titus a50 is dying today w/ or w/o you

Then put me in the w/o camp. You could try actually looking at 627 or asking me why I feel that way, but comments like this suggest you're so confident that you don't care so I have to work 5 times harder to lynch scum.

[Titus]

titus a50 is dying today w/ or w/o you

Nah.

D3 or so perhaps, but I ain't feeling it today.

Hedge hedge hedge

This should be who we lynch Heartless.

[Titus]

Yeah, in Open 627 he was the bodyguard and PR gambited giving my scumteam a shit ton of information but he thought he was doing the game well. He plays that way. Skim his ISO there please. If you still feel like lynching him, we'll agree to disagree and I will push Cane and Able but I need to feel heard.

[Titus]

Tth scumreads Cane and Able. Let's do that.

[Titus]

Yeah, in Open 627 he was the bodyguard and PR gambited giving my scumteam a shit ton of information but he thought he was doing the game well. He plays that way. Skim his ISO there please. If you still feel like lynching him, we'll agree to disagree and I will push Cane and Able but I need to feel heard.

one sided meta doesn't mean shit. all you're proving is that he did badly in said game.

what's the scum game look like.

i bet it's just as bad.

I haven't seen his scumgame, but this is so textbook open 627, that's why I gave a50 no attention.

[Titus]

you cant write a textbook from a sample size of 1

No but I don't need a textbook to know when history repeats itself.

We can work together on scumreads we agree on, or disagree and bicker. I would rather be working with you rather than disagreeing with you.

[Titus]

Who is the authority I am appealing to and why would it fail?

[Titus]

Who is the authority I am appealing to and why would it fail?

i was talking about this

Now go vote Heartless bc I promise you he is anti-humans. If you don't have faith in my early reads please go check SOCCER SPIRITS (even though we were both scum on the same faction) or Bloodborne (the game Varsoon just finished modding). In the former I was adamant DS was Mafia and he was. The latter I was pushing on Nahdia and got ignored and she ended up sweeping the game for scum single handed. (and there are players here who witnessed at least one of these two game, including yourself, so get your head in place and VOTE CAUGHT SCUM).

That's not an appeal to authority, that's just being a braggart. Appeal to authority requires someone else to be an expert and he's relying on that.

[Titus]

Almost is null. His "readslist" sucked but claiming the PGO type role was pro-town.

This is an acceptable null.

Is Yume doing anything in your hydra?

[Titus]

but there are better d1 lynches in Kuroi or Dave or Exp and maaaaaybe Cephir.

Cephrir I could do but I feel awkward because he's maybe drawn town once when we've played together, and my scumread is there due to his awkward distancing from Cane and preflip is bad.

Kuroi would be a policy compromise.

[Titus]

a50 is a claimed PGO type role (atleast that's my impression) thus he can't? be killed at night so there's scum motivation in wanting him lynched is what he's saying.

Also a50 is just a vi so take his posts with a

grain

teaspoon

tablespoon

cup of salt.

PR in general. I don't think PGO is exactly it, but highly possible.

[Titus]

I know Anti doesn't like it, but I think Almost50

might

just be badposting.

But honestly, with A50's attitude, I don't feel any inclination to stop what Anti's doing.

Yeah, it's easy to rile up A50 and he loves OMGUS. That helped immensely in Open 627.

Please don't hate me Almost. I don't think you're bad at mafia but I do think your weakness is vulnerable to reading you here.

[Titus]

@Luna that's fair, I guess. But at the same time I could easily see you going "oh we can't confirm him...so lets lynch him!" as scum.

I don't think Luna claims purple flying monster as scum here. If she did, she's not likely winning.

[Titus]

purple flying monster

I would prefer Yellow magic fox instead

Ok.

[Titus]

Nero, instead of voting heartless, can we meet somewhere where we agree?

[Titus]

VOTE: Kuroi

Finally, a vote that doesn't make me want to scream at someone.

[Titus]

Kuroi, I find it interesting you comment on House's allegation of confbias on him but ignore entirely that I am voting you. House has the same ignorance.

Thoughts on me voting you?

[Titus]

a) i don't like your statement that anyone scumreading you is bad without any accompaniment as to why

It's a good thing I didn't say that.

okay what's so scummy about WT other than them scumreading you then smartass

I might answer that tomorrow, Ms. Hominem.

Kuroi, I find it interesting you comment on House's allegation of confbias on him but ignore entirely that I am voting you. House has the same ignorance.

Thoughts on me voting you?

I don't really have any thoughts. I can't possibly imagine I'd be lynched based off so little. I'm sure you'll vote someone else later so I wasn't so worried.

Really, I raked you over the coals in gunslingers when I knew you were scum. Why the confidence I will change my vote?

[Titus]

Shoot, now howam I going to repeat Borderlands?

[Titus]

Actually, before I head to bed.

VOTE: Wayward Thinker

Their questioning and atrocious display thus far deserves this A LOT more than TWIE.

And it has

nothing

to do with Wayward being a larger wagon at the moment?

P. sure Kuroi made it the larger wagon.

Semantic language to defeat Heartless's point.

Kuroi was opportunistically voting a larger wagon to create momentum elsewhere and one that started his own train.

[Titus]

You're splitting hairs but not addressing the concern. I rephrased the concern to be more accurate and you deflected.

Kuroi's vote was opportunistic as fuck. Address it.

[Titus]

Maybe I was wrong about Titus idk.

This needs to be lynched. Now. Catching up in progress starting from end working back.

If you struggle with a read share thoughts do something...just "idk" is at best filler and at worst scum trying to look authentic versus be authentic.

I'm doubting my previous scumread on Titus because of her recent posts, and I would think that was obvious if you made even the most cursory attempt to understand what I was trying to say.

You seriously opened the thread, saw a post saying "idk", and then immediately became certain that this person needed to be lynched?

No. Math is in dug in no listen to reason mode. Ignore them. They will not talk about anyone else.

[Titus]

*grabs popcorn for Math v DGB*

[Titus]

*eats popcorn, offers some to DGB*

[Titus]

Great. ABR as two modes. One where he can assert dominance and one where he cannot. As scumhe rarely wants to assert himself. It's not a scumtell but rather a weak indicator. I am willing to give ABR a day.

[Titus]

Actually I need to reevaluate my read on Storm Blade.
If they don't want to be culted claiming they can be culted is horrible.
Using a cult as an excuse to not scum hunt is equally horrible.

~Bee

I don't see anything AI from the other two heads and I want ABR posting.

if things continue to stay like this I bet that their scum

~Ice

I don't want them to be scum. ABR is not being a jerk.

[Titus]

There's a spot open on the Kuroi wagon, or on Cane.

[Titus]

Men, if we're worried about ABR Hydra being recruited, just have them read Cyberpunk sum PT. No one will want them.

[Titus]

Well since it's come to this i'll just flat out mention that.

1) i'm in a NEIGHBORHOOD with other players, who are either the same race as me or are scum.
2) This also goes along the lines with ABR shouldn't be paranoid about cults.
3) ABR has also been pretty silent in the neighborhood.

Ergo my scumread on Storm.

Hmmph. This is why I asked you stuff earlier. Having people know information I don't sends up scumtell markers like crazy. So I know ABR hydra is in your hood. Is BBMolla? (I am only specifically asking about him because he's claimed yellow fox or purple flying monkey. I want to know if Cane is in there too but we do not need to put more claims.)

Cane and Able are still scum. Still trying to get them lynched. Being a dick not required.

[Titus]

I remember someone you or molla talking to titus saying that they don't have a factional chat.

am I mis-remembering this? cuase I can't find it if it was said. some one help

~Ice

Hey. Humans don't have factional chat.

Stop doing 10 postsin a row.

[Titus]

Ice, let things happen. If 90% of your posts are not engaging someone. You will strangle the game.

Can you othe Cane or Kuroi? You seem to have scumreads there and I would like to have my scumreads actually be near the top on day 1.

[Titus]

I am phone posting abroad and would appreciate it if we could try to post 2/3 times a day unless you feel you are really getting sonething done.

Do you want every post as a picture? I'm doing the best I can while still rallying the troops and fighting bullshit. I'm like 4-5 on activity overview.

[Titus]

And no Titus, Molla's not on it, but i dont know if there might be ppl of the same race as me that aren't part of the neighborhood.

Then why do you think the hood is yellow foxes or scum?

I am very suspicious of Molla now. I don't like the idea of Yellow foxes and purple flying monkeys.

[Titus]

@Titus
If you are already doing your best that post us not for you, the fact remains that the thread is too fast growing for multiple players to keep up with so some care in posting would likely improve reads and therefore odds of winning.

Understood, but people are having trouble keeping up due to 28 players. I have about 1/10-15 posts, which is not bad. There's just so many players. Modding a 27 player game myself, people getting overwhelmed is par for the course. I do what I can, but there's no way even deleting all my posts would put a dent here.

[Titus]

@Math, There are reasons. You're just ignoring them. Kuroi has terribad survivalistic posting and you're not even engaging that. You haven't engaged Cane and Able. Cane and Able seems awfully interested I splitting hairs on kuroi's behalf. There's yellow monkeys and purple flying monsters you're ignoring. You've also ignored A50, and Heartless, and Dram, and Cephrir.

@LQ, I am going with you town solely because the shiftiness of votes placed on you.

[Titus]

My current scumreads are WT , kuroi (a bit) , C+A (under construction)

the nulls i wanna sort fast : Almost 50 , cephir , shadow storm (you may count them very little tiny scum reads)

I won't unvote storm before I see something heart warming from ABR.

~Ice

Join me on Kuroi. Creating dueling wagons is good and a win win for both of us. With a plurality lynch, we an force people to decide between the two and create a paper trail.

[Titus]

Then why do you think the hood is yellow foxes or scum?

That part was mod confirmation. My issue was that there was a lot of other info and i kinda skimmed it and didnt realize one of the point was "There might be scum here"
Also i will probably say nothing else regarding the neighborhood as more information might be anti town to out (or if not, at least anti-whatever-town-faction-i-win-with). At the very least during this day phase, unless it becomes relevant (it leads to a probs scum)

Ok, but if I scumread someone for having excessive knowledge that game from the hood, you'll need to tell me that's a poacher's scumread. i judge people by what they should and should not know and how they reach conclusions.

[Titus]

yeah i mean its not like theres a shortage of things to engage me about

i feel like the invisible man/warthog over here

pedit: omg posts this was a response to 1718

You should vote Kuroi if town or defend him.

Hey engagement.

[Titus]

Join me on Kuroi. Creating dueling wagons is good and a win win for both of us. With a plurality lynch, we an force people to decide between the two and create a paper trail.

I just want abr posting

is that so much to ask?

~Ice

If he doesn't post on Day 2, he doesn't live to see Day 3. I like the ABR vacation for a bit, and it's not completely in left field given what I learned from him in Cyberpunk. Could he be scum dodging? Of course. But if he thinks he's getting away with that for long, he's got another thing coming.

[Titus]

Titus is grilling Ice and Fire for posting too much but is seemingly unhappy with MathBlades' level of activity?

????????

I am unhappy with Mathblade being totally antitown/scum this game. Sorry I didn't specify it to your liking.

[Titus]

@Cephrir, look at the Varsoon game that ended and Saga.

There's two ABRs. The one that feels like he is in control, and the one that sits on the sidelines. Scum ABR is generally not assertive (Cyberpunk was an exception due to his hydra partner). ABR cannot assert dominance in a 28 player game. While his lurkiness is not to be excused, it is not AI either.

@Ice, i shouldn't see 3 posts from you while I type 1. In one post, please detail how ABR might have slipped.

[Titus]

@rb mathblade is a they

its a she

They have recently adopted wanting to be called they. I will slip up, but my sibling is a they.

[Titus]

@RB, Are you crowing you have 3-4 scumreads while ignoring major events? Nope. It's not an obligation for every player to interact with everyone else. Selective reading/pushing is Antitown or scummy. This is our first interaction I believe because the percentage quirk thing is a personality tell. Ignoring half the game to tunnel is NOT a personality tell.

[Titus]

Oh forgot part of the question

Math is not engaging

Kuroi
Cane and Able
Cephrir
Heartless
Dram
Almost50
Luna

That's off the top of my head

[Titus]

@titus then type faster

I'm not going to get invested early in this game because if I do, I will lead the town and drive a lynch on cult, and then probably get recruited into that same cult the very night after I lynched them. That's my luck. Another reason is that it takes 15 to lynch and we are so far off from that. Another reason is there are too many players and I can't keep track until this number dwindles down.

Albert

Luna Fox
hi mason buddy

Well since it's come to this i'll just flat out mention that.

1) i'm in a NEIGHBORHOOD with other players, who are either the same race as me or are scum.
2) This also goes along the lines with ABR shouldn't be paranoid about cults.
3) ABR has also been pretty silent in the neighborhood.

Ergo my scumread on Storm.

these three quotes sums it up , abr won't be afraid of 15 votes to lynch , thats not his persona as well.

~Ice

This is plurality lynch too.

[Titus]

If they think their masons legitly they know their not all huans aligned with humans so abr wouldn't be afraid of being culted.

~Ice

Or he was baiting a cult attempt from the dumb. No opinions lurker bait = high culting target

[Titus]

If they think their masons legitly they know their not all huans aligned with humans so abr wouldn't be afraid of being culted.

~Ice

I thought the reads were EP's not ABR's tho.

It was

but their one hydra with one role pm

whats a prularity lynch titus?

pedit : no , but I know nahdia was legitly drunk then so I'm kinnda beleive that nahdia posted those from a hydra pt. the problem is I think its possible that they weren't original reads of errant and they made them between the time I asked for his reads to be parphrased and nahdia came

~Ice

At deadline, whoever has the most votes is lynched. Ties are resolved in the first post.

[Titus]

It was

but their one hydra with one role pm

My point being, if those are EP's reads ABR might be legit not caring about the game.
Problem is whether i buy that he's actually not caring instead of making issues, that's my current dilemma atm.

I am at he's not caring but it's NAI. He better care soon though.

[Titus]

Titus, I remember playing with you in Guns Ahoy. As a townie, you took great interest in observing before jumping to attack. What's changed?

Gunslingers. First, it wasn't day 1. Second, I thought I was nailing two scum simultaneously, so I wanted to let you rope yourselves (was only half right). Third, I don't have the same ability to buddy hunt.

You however, are still likely scum.

Got reads? Or just trying to steer me towards not you?

[Titus]

rb, it's actually much more indicative of Wayward Thinker being the same alignment as me because if he's scum it doesn't make sense to townread his counterwagon unless I am also scum (which I'm not).

what does this even mean?

~Ice

It means in a scenario whether it's currently him or Expedience, WT could have jumped on Exp no problem. The fact WT did not suggests town. Or that they are buddies.

[Titus]

First off, a three-person Hydra? I just realized this. Fucking what?

Strong Town:
Lean Town: Dramonic, Almost50, Cane and Able, Tim, ASOIAF, RAM, Expedience
Null/Unsorted: Klingoncelt, Titus, Nosferatu, Stormblade, davesaz, Copper, Lady L, RB, Goofball, BBMolla, Toogeloo, Franky
Lean Scum: Heartless, Salt Squad, No Retreat , Cephrir, TWIE
Strong Scum: Wayward Thinker, Luna

BTW, just realized I'm finally playing a game with my old pal, Nero. Hi Nero!

And yes, my list is really undeveloped. I'm aware.

Underdeveloped my ass

You have Luna as scum, C and A as strong town, me as null, no retreat as scum, heartless as scum and despite Math chainsawing the fuck for you, you forgot she exists

It's just garbage. Total garbage.

[Titus]

rb, it's actually much more indicative of Wayward Thinker being the same alignment as me because if he's scum it doesn't make sense to townread his counterwagon unless I am also scum (which I'm not).

what does this even mean?

~Ice

It means in a scenario whether it's currently him or Expedience, WT could have jumped on Exp no problem. The fact WT did not suggests town. Or that they are buddies.

Are you just explaining his point or actually agreeing with it?

What Titus said is what I meant btw.

Explaining.

[Titus]

Fencesit any harder and it'll leave a dent :p

~insert Heat's Michelle Obama reaction picture here~

I don't actually know what reaction picture you're talking about. Perhaps you guys could use actual words to express your thoughts, instead of shitty reaction gifs?

That goes to all of you who keep shitposting that way. Stop it.

-Cerb

It's side eye.

[Titus]

First off, a three-person Hydra? I just realized this. Fucking what?

Strong Town:
Lean Town: Dramonic, Almost50, Cane and Able, Tim, ASOIAF, RAM, Expedience
Null/Unsorted: Klingoncelt, Titus, Nosferatu, Stormblade, davesaz, Copper, Lady L, RB, Goofball, BBMolla, Toogeloo, Franky
Lean Scum: Heartless, Salt Squad, No Retreat , Cephrir, TWIE
Strong Scum: Wayward Thinker, Luna

BTW, just realized I'm finally playing a game with my old pal, Nero. Hi Nero!

And yes, my list is really undeveloped. I'm aware.

Sorry, but I'm not really buying that you: 1) missed Luna's claim

and

2) missed the fact there are

two

3-man hydras and still had the wherewithal to sincerely put together this reads list.

There are Actually three three man hydras. Stormblade, Salt Squad, and RAM. So, if you missed the fact that there are *3*, I'm not certain how much room you have to talk about him missing the fact that there are any. ^^

The claim miss though, that's bad. You'd think he'd have paid attention to the slot that he's most suspicious of. Thanks for giving me the thought here.

KuroiXHF: Do you suspect Luna&Co are scum pulling a complex gambit? Do you suspect Luna is the spy in that neighborhood? Or do you just have no idea what's going on with regards to her slot and just vomited out this reads list without actually paying attention to the game state?

-Cerb

It would be suicidal in a game this large to have all of them be scum like this with the number of nightkills. Possible, sure. Likely no.

[Titus]

I'm trying to see if plurality lynch might be a factor here.

Honestly, if things come to that on Day 1 I'm replacing out of this game.

The thought of 22 days of this is nausea inducing.

<<< That was mod error. It should've been 21, but I thought it was Tuesday. It was Monday. By the time I realized it, it was too late. So I ran with it. Deadlines are 21 days, normally. The extra day is because I decided to honor the time announced.
Also, I come from an era where games didn't even

have

deadlines. Couldn't get a damn lynch? Game got abandoned. So my mindset is firmly in the camp, "you can use that time if you

really

want/need to, but seriously, don't feel obligated to use it all". Youngsters these days are INCREDIBLY spoiled and needy as far as I'm concerned. >>>

Let's lynch Kuroi.

[Titus]

Case, sure.

Kuroi had done jackshit. WT posted a case on Kuroi (who no one was voting) that didn't make me want to pull my hair out. Every major wagon has been bad. I moved my vote from Cane (who is still obvious scum) to Kuroi. Kuroi's content has been underwhelming. No one townreads him, but people are pushing counters.

[Titus]

thats a really bad reason to vote someone luna

It's a good reason to me.
Why is that a bad reason to you?

[Titus]

what is a scum agenda in missing claims like that and putting someone really close to obvtown state as a strong scumread?

that makes no sense.

I have scumread on kiroui though for his not solified and observing posts and the omguses he did back there on titus and WT without following them up

~Ice

I'm a null read technically. I think he's adapting from gunslingers. Personal insults didn't get me lynched. He tried calling a friend of mine psychotic. A scumread doing that will ensure I pound them into dirt.

[Titus]

First off, a three-person Hydra? I just realized this. Fucking what?

Strong Town:
Lean Town: Dramonic, Almost50, Cane and Able, Tim, ASOIAF, RAM, Expedience
Null/Unsorted: Klingoncelt, Titus, Nosferatu, Stormblade, davesaz, Copper, Lady L, RB, Goofball, BBMolla, Toogeloo, Franky
Lean Scum: Heartless, Salt Squad, No Retreat , Cephrir, TWIE
Strong Scum: Wayward Thinker, Luna

BTW, just realized I'm finally playing a game with my old pal, Nero. Hi Nero!

And yes, my list is really undeveloped. I'm aware.

Underdeveloped my ass

You have Luna as scum, C and A as strong town, me as null, no retreat as scum, heartless as scum and despite Math chainsawing the fuck for you, you forgot she exists

It's just garbage. Total garbage.

No Retreat is scummy, I don't have an opinion on you this game. You're annoying as fuck, but that's NAI. Fine, I forgot about Math because there are a lot of players, Luna screams scum but I'm reviewing her soon, and I strong read no one.

No opinion..really? After gunslingers you have no opinion on me?

[Titus]

I have no objection. 15 votes to lynch and I am townreading Exped.

[Titus]

I am wanting people to vote scum and find the game out themselves. This isn't Titus beats everyone into submission. If people listen, they vote scum.

I owe others the same respect and that's what they owe me.

[Titus]

so are we just waiting until tomorrow to lynch toog then?

Only if

*singing* tomorrow never comes

[Titus]

I have no objection. 15 votes to lynch and I am townreading Exped.

Yet you're pestering others to vote Kuroi... and not at all curious as to WHY your TOWNREAD who was on the wagon with you decided to UNVOTE your pet scumread.

No.

I am. But I am not forcing it.

You're painting me as a caricature of who I am because it is easier to deal with.

[Titus]

I have no objection. 15 votes to lynch and I am townreading Exped.

Yet you're pestering others to vote Kuroi... and not at all curious as to WHY your TOWNREAD who was on the wagon with you decided to UNVOTE your pet scumread.

No.

I am. But I am not forcing it.

You're painting me as a caricature of who I am because it is easier to deal with.

No, I'm explaining why I'm put off by your play.

You're much more cautious and "towny" as scum.

As town, you're meta chatting, tunneling, gambiting, moon logicking, and just generally all over the place until you settle in on a scumread, then woe betide the poor soul that invokes your wrath.

You and Kuroi have my wrath.

No one sees me as charming.

[Titus]

Titus sinking her tentacles into this thread sets off many alarm bells. I've been down the kuroi mislynch road before and am not a fan.

Albert

Hi. Scum alarm bells or Derp town bells?

[Titus]

The one where you do that thing you do that gets town mislynched.

Albert

Yeah, you're going to need to be specific. Constructive feedback about specific flaws that bring out bad results is good.

[Titus]

I have no objection. 15 votes to lynch and I am townreading Exped.

Yet you're pestering others to vote Kuroi... and not at all curious as to WHY your TOWNREAD who was on the wagon with you decided to UNVOTE your pet scumread.

No.

I am. But I am not forcing it.

You're painting me as a caricature of who I am because it is easier to deal with.

No, I'm explaining why I'm put off by your play.

You're much more cautious and "towny" as scum.

As town, you're meta chatting, tunneling, gambiting, moon logicking, and just generally all over the place until you settle in on a scumread, then woe betide the poor soul that invokes your wrath.

You and Kuroi have my wrath.

No one sees me as charming.

Please quote where I used the word charming in any of my posts to describe you.

I summarized your gripes. Go cry elsewhere or scumhunt.

[Titus]

Cane and Able is town

*cries*

I agree with everything else you posted but this...

My empty popcorn box has water stains from tears of sadness

[Titus]

i really think you should refrain from trying to call the/a team.

no fuck you ceph i think this is the PERFECT time to call the a team

Spoiler:

Dibs on Being Female Murdock or Hannibal.

[Titus]

Oh boy so much work to do still

Let me help you.
Look at your Role PM.
Then look at who you replaced.
Then realize you're replacing skybird.

DGB is town.

[Titus]

DGB let me help you.
BBmolla is also town, scum would never just out all the secret info in there opening post.

~Bee

Respectfully I don't think BBmolla has, or that he's scumhunting.

[Titus]

I'm trying to see if plurality lynch might be a factor here.

Honestly, if things come to that on Day 1 I'm replacing out of this game.

fj;lkdsajflkjdsalkfjdslkjflksa;e;fjJD;LKAJF;LKDSAJ;LKFJSALKFJSK; WHAT

one tth is not fucking ditching me again and
two tth is not going to need to because WE ARE NOT TAKING THIS DAY TO FUCKING AUGUST

JEEZ
LOUISE

like... i'm planning on having franky or whoever replaces him post SOMETHING and then going ahead and lynching wayward or kuroi within the next few days-ish

are you people fucking insane is 80+ pages not good enough for you?

Anti, did you take my Xanax pills?

[Titus]

Oh boy so much work to do still

Let me help you.
Look at your Role PM.
Then look at who you replaced.
Then realize you're replacing skybird.

DGB is town.

Anyway i think DGB's town

Thanks captain obvious

You're welcome.

Captain Obvious Murdock flying the A-Team of scummers towards lynching Kuroi. All aboard....

[Titus]

yeah like everyone posts and argues and then on page like 250 with 12 hours left til deadline someone suggests a random lynch and then he miraculously flips SK.

100% success rate so far.

Are you townreading Kuroi?

[Titus]

Great, then we could use your vote.

[Titus]

but like getting mad at people for sheeping is like a dumb way to put yourself in the spotlight early in the game.

dumb =\= town.

In fact Kuroi is anti town at best there.

[Titus]

It grew. If you want a deeper case I can do that.

[Titus]

<<< Seeking confirmation from listmods on the announcement in regards to this game, and what it means. >>>

I'd just replace the hydra with Wake.

[Titus]

UNREADABLE
Mathblade

She made so many posts, why do you not have a read on her?

Albert

What's your read on her?

[Titus]

I haven't read 81 pages, nor have I claimed to.

Albert

Then why do you expect DGB to have a read?

[Titus]

KuroiXHF - 8 (Wayward Thinker, Titus, Heartless, copper223, Luna Fox, No Retreat, Cephrir, Salt Squad)
Wayward Thinker - 6 (dramonic, rb, TheWayItEnds, Tim, KuroiXHF, Mathblade)

why tho

A

You want that case?

[Titus]

Just take notes on a piece of paper and post when done.

[Titus]

Can we hear from Mathblade, the good twin?

Albert

You got questions for me? Although stop the compliment. An ABR compliment feels weird. I have never gotten one before. I prefer reads over compliments.

Pedit: Dramonic I am catching up and phone posting. It is not spam. Otherwise it would be a wall no one would read.

Nobody in their right mind reads your posts anyways.

That makes 8 posts in a row.

@Mastin: Can we enforce some sort of spam rule, because the game is already extremely long without BS like what Math is pulling right now

It's actually six, but I agree with you.

I'm excluding my own post because it's unrelated to the stream of posts. As in, if I were elsewhere there would still be 8 posts in a row.

Dram, that's a little harsh.

[Titus]

@Math, What is your read on Dram? DGB?

How does it make you feel when they say they skip your posts and say you're unreadable?

[Titus]

RED FLAG ALERT

Shut up. I'm taking one shot to fix Math's attitude before she's on my ignore list. Please let me try.

[Titus]

whatever you say jafar.

Ja far?

[Titus]

Dram was skipping. Dgb says you're unreadable.

Let's say you'll never ever be convinced on Expedience. Saying it so loud so early says Math will never work with me, why would I work with her? The tunnels are also a good place to hide if you're scum as you naturally avoid anything inconsistent with that opinion. Given the yellow foxes and purple flying monkeys, no one knows the strategic setup.

I am not telling you to lie and pretend you think Expedience is town and I am not scum. What you cannot do is pick a read and center your whole universe on it being right. You have to be open to others. Right now, no one thinks you are open to others at all. It's why I have given no effort to our dialogue.

People are never going to be receptive if you are not. Constant insistence on one lynch in 28 players doesn't work. You need to sort Kuroi and Cane and these other events.

Or I am ignoring you.

[Titus]

P.s. Dgb and dram are both obvtown. There's a few reads I would fight DGB on, but we largely agree. I'm frustrated she's not voting Kuroi, but I have faith she will or Kuroi will obvtown.

Working with others is key.

[Titus]

I'd like to see more RAM or Franky votes. Humor me.

If Kuroi falls apart I will. The wagon on Kuroi is obvtown to me (I know you have issues with Nero so we can talk there) and I scumread Kuroi.

I hate every other wagon though. I feel for you, but not right now...

#reach out

[Titus]

And Kuroi can you join us Dram?
You do realize Klingon and Math are on your wagon Dram? Look at the Kuroi wagon?

If not, can you say why?

[Titus]

Dram was skipping. Dgb says you're unreadable.

Let's say you'll never ever be convinced on Expedience. Saying it so loud so early says Math will never work with me, why would I work with her? The tunnels are also a good place to hide if you're scum as you naturally avoid anything inconsistent with that opinion. Given the yellow foxes and purple flying monkeys, no one knows the strategic setup.

I am not telling you to lie and pretend you think Expedience is town and I am not scum. What you cannot do is pick a read and center your whole universe on it being right. You have to be open to others. Right now, no one thinks you are open to others at all. It's why I have given no effort to our dialogue.

People are never going to be receptive if you are not. Constant insistence on one lynch in 28 players doesn't work. You need to sort Kuroi and Cane and these other events.

Or I am ignoring you.

I am not centering my world on Expedience scum. Said it before and I will say it again. I have provided evidence of why I believe what I do and they have only become scummier since then. The naked vote/Unvote for example. Until someone proves they are town I don't switch to someone else and have them become the main focus. I pressure others and poke and prod like WT who is probably scum on a different team than Expedience.

It may not be how you play but it is how I play. I am clearly reading and responding to questions asked to me and what I believe. To categorically say "no one" sounds like a wish list rather than reality.

See that's the issue. There's a boat load of scum and you only want your biggest read to be the focus. No one is expert. Hound their posts. Highlight their alleged scuminess, but your vote can also reward others for doing what you want, draw people out of hiding. By being stubborn you actually weaken your influence.

I have a bunch of people who normally hate me working with me. By listening to their concerns and voting read number two and promoting game health.

[Titus]

And Kuroi can you join us Dram?
You do realize Klingon and Math are on your wagon Dram? Look at the Kuroi wagon?

If not, can you say why?

Correction: I am on in spirit. I don't have two votes

The Kuroi wagon is a piece of shit. Don't like who lead it and who is on it.

That was @dram asking him to vote Kuroi.

I am not wanting dram. He's obvtown.

[Titus]

I almost feel like I'm intruding here or this is none of my business or something but like, I kinda feel the need to say this.

Could you tone it down a bit Titus? Your grilling Math feels a bit.... needlessly cruel. And I honestly feel a bit uncomfortable reading it.

So uh. Yeah.

-Nahdia

Ok...I will stop for now. Don't see how it's even cruel but I can be oblivious.

[Titus]

And Kuroi can you join us Dram?
You do realize Klingon and Math are on your wagon Dram? Look at the Kuroi wagon?

. . .
Go look at the votecount again Titus.

My bad on the company. Misread.

Still, talk to me on why WT? I don't see anything scummy from them at all and Kuroi has not been good.

[Titus]

V/LA until the 27th.

Trying to catch up now...

what the fuck

RL things including health and internet issues.

I'll be here as much as possible.

Grr, Saga called.

Before you go, document reads, where you are at page wise, and who you would be voting if caught up. Keep doing that.

[Titus]

WT's posts are full of ass-covering and preservation.
Also kuroi's fine and the people on that wagon are (for the most part) awful.

EDIT:

@Math: What makes me say Expe's mindset is town is that I've read his posts.
Town do plenty of naked votes.

@Nahdia: Please standby...

Details?

@anti, that's my sole concern on this wagon. Why copper?

[Titus]

@anti, that's my sole concern on this wagon. Why copper?

in retrospect, his entrance where he came after us and then how he backed off kinda gives me a smokescreen feel now

like... if ur gonna go balls deep and give a detail like "3 alarm bells" then why would you call the react test so soon? not to mention he sort of telegraphed it in his "dont prop them up" post

idk

I'll have to look at copper in more detail. My biggest concern is that I don't remember anything that Copper has done. That gives him a we didn't playtest this feel rather than his town games.

If you went there, I wouldn't be angry as I am not townreading him, but we also have a very shiny wagon here.

I feel conflicted. I want to lead a wagon full of obvtown on obvscum. Yet, I'm ok with being just a member.

Please come back if it goes nowhere?

[Titus]

@dram can you give details on your Wt read and why he's self preserving? Also, can you talk about why the Kuroi wagon is shit?

[Titus]

Dram, without insulting me. Explain it to me as if I have no clue.

Setting aside WT, I like myself as town (duh), toog appears townie, Luna is likely town, beeboy has been good too. I see green lights. We're reading this game differently now. Like totally.

Like I can Se one thing that might appear self preservationy at the start, but LQ always asks me that and he has good follow up.

[Titus]

if lld does not come in here and do shit i would not be opposed to lynching her

Same.

I think a list of vig shots you me and dgb approve of is a good idea no?

[Titus]

if lld does not come in here and do shit i would not be opposed to lynching her

Same.

I think a list of vig shots you me and dgb approve of is a good idea no?

oh is it time to make another fucking town block Titus?

That worked out for you SO WELL the last time you tried it in a large.

Or have you fucking forgotten how badly you played?

The problem wasn't that I was failing to recognize town. It was that I failed to listen to my biggest townreads. I was a failure at listening because I wanted to repeat Sudoken.

[Titus]

@LLD, Your thoughts and reads? Or are you going to bitch slap me? I can put you on ignore if you're just going to yell Titus sucks with no direction to improve.

[Titus]

Great.

On the off chance you're town, I'll do a daily readwall for benchmarks with linked post numbers. Maybe it will help, maybe it won't. I don't like the idea of you floundering though but the game speed is not likely to get slower until day 2.

[Titus]

I dislike stormblade entirely because of ABR's apathy, but Titus is correct in that it's NAI.

?????????

You can dislike something and realize it's NAI.

LLD dislikes the rate of posting, but she's not calling everyone scum.

[Titus]

My DGB read is shakable if circumstances show it to be. DGB posts naked read walls like that. Would I like more detailed thoughts? Of course. Yet, we agree on 75% - 85% (ish) of our reads, minus the lynch candidates. She's doing what I did when I hated all the wagons. She matches her town meta. It's not my preferred style but DGB is usually better with fewer words.

She's obvtown to me not conftown.

[Titus]

Dram is a weaker townread but still pretty town. I don't like the disagreement and I don't get his reads, but his overall frustration and effort appear rather townie. I understood his jafar comment once he said it.

Again, not unshakable but I do like how Dram appears ATM. I want to try and understand him.

[Titus]

if lld does not come in here and do shit i would not be opposed to lynching her

I asked someone to help run me through things, and checked several pages of posts after.

No help.

so one more fucking time, I am not reading 2000 posts. I've been in this game under 48 hours. I feel like I've replaced into a fucking game on day 5.

If you want me to help, then fucking give me things to give opinions on, direct me. Use me as a bloodhound, IDGAF.

But don't tell me to "get in here and do shit" when fucks like you have made it literally cancer to try and do so.

Kuroi

[Titus]

I don't have a scumread on you ice.

[Titus]

The reason I suspect that Titus and I are separate factions is that she wouldn't make the mistake of thinking town has 3 factions if she had the same wincon as I do.

I think you're town for the way you handled this, but it's not a mistake on my part. if there is a mistake, it's due the lack of informations. Yellow foxes (place holder for whatever the crap Luna claimed) has no mention in flavor. Everything in my role pm and the setup suggested the world was finite. This is whole setting is a work of fiction so anything can be possible.

I don't think it's a mistake though. I think Mastina has withheld far too much information to make any judgment beyond town and scum.

The way you approached the claim is very town though, which makes me think you are human and town.

That's the extent to which I wish to discuss your claim.

[Titus]

I don't see the problem with high activity since it makes it harder for scum to connect with the game than town but whatever I'll post less.

Wrong. It's hard for both.

[Titus]

Okay I just did an ISO of Kuroi and can say that I am atually leaning town on him.
Reasons are being on mostly tone alone.
The beginning phaes are actually a bit scummy, with posts like "I can't believe we caught scum" being the worst offenders that ping me. The later posts had an odd sense of ego in them though. Like he didn't expect a wagon or to be lynched, but he didn't explin why more than just like he thought the case was nothing. Could be arrogant scum, but it felt townish I guess. Not just scum ego.
Later hi posts about thinking for yourself sounded silly because he just voted people just sheeping, and his reads don't seem fully explored. He calls his town game bad, and I can maybe believe it in that sense given his stances so far, or maybe he is excusing his poor play.

I am going with town on this one.

What did I win?

~Firebringer

A broken heart from me. His read stances are insane. Did you read his ISO without context?