Gistou (Over!)

[Expedience]

confirm

[Expedience]

My role is very basic so I don't know the important of location/nation

Why would you claim it then?

[Expedience]

I'm a non-human aligned with humans and I hate all non-humans

Figure that one out

thanks for scum claiming.

Why is this a Scum claim?

I don't like this question too , Its like the questions scum players ask after RVS to show themselves active while their just trying to show themselves acive ...

~Ice

Hypocritical considering this is the kind of comment scum players make,..

[Expedience]

"Are you aware there is a cult in the game"
"But what does it mean?"

+

"Please give region"
"Why'd you do that bro"

His entrance was so town are you kidding me.

[Expedience]

I think BBMolla is actually this careless and not-fuck-giving, not just scum and pretending. So I think he's town, that is.

[Expedience]

How is that hypocritical at all, I'm town?

[Expedience]

I think BBMolla is actually this careless and not-fuck-giving, not just scum and pretending. So I think he's town, that is.

how you deduced that

pedit : I don't know the meaning of that world. I just used it to come back at you.

Because of his conversational tone and repeated usage of such phrases as "lmao".

I mean your saying he is so town that I can't share my concern at start about him?

his question felt fake to me. why him asking them was so town in your eyes ?

~Ice

No, I'm not trying to silence you or anything.

I felt it was town because it seemed to me like Wayward Thinker was clearly trying to solve the game from their

first

second post.

I think they asked the question to start discussion, in the same way that asking BBMolla to flavor claim and trying to work out where he was coming from afterwards was clearly town motivated. I followed most steps of their thought process.

You took one question that they asked out of the context of their several top quality and insightful posts and said that it was some kind of scummy "fake filler content", literally before the game had even started. That would make me vote you if votes currently existed.

[Expedience]

LMFAO wHo cAREAS HAHA Xd

I do. Well I did.

There's at least 3 factions that have a 1-shot recruiting ability, and the cult probably is multiple shot but I can't imagine them not being able to recruit humans.

Do Bulletproofs claim so their role becomes worthless? No, because that's stupid.

But by all means, continue to troll. Maybe more sods like Expedience will buy that

Okay, but how does that make BBMolla scum rather than just bad town?

[Expedience]

I felt it was town because it seemed to me like Wayward Thinker was clearly trying to solve the game from their first second post.

no I didn't see that

they questioned some stuff from molla that was meh

then some setup spec and stuff

then came back to the one person who made a silly comment

I can't see their clear try for solving the game in their first posts and I attacked what I see to see their response.

and Are you really threatening me with your vote?

like siriously

~Ice

That's all you can find because you're scum and incapable of reading, all you can do is see.

Yes, I am siriously threatening you with my vote.

[Expedience]

That's all you can find because you're scum and incapable of reading, all you can do is see.

Yes, I am siriously threatening you with my vote.

My normal response to this kind of shitty behaviors is to say "Fuck off"

I won't respond to it anyway cuase I'm done getting force replaced for people like you corning me and making me toxic.

so ....

Hi town. (Hugs)

Not really, that;s what I would expect FA to do as either alignment.

Okay, but how does that make BBMolla scum rather than just bad town?

Do you have any experience playing with BBmolla? He's not bad town. you can say maybe he's performed badly as town sometimes, but he isn't bad town. 2ndly, he has a carefree attitude as all alignments really. And he's done speculative plays before as scum before as well.

@Bbmolla: Perhaps you don't have the same kind of "how to play a role" sense as I do, but that kind of play really stretches my limits of credulity. In any case my metric for scumminess won't be defined as just that, so if your day play is satisfactory it will do a lot to help your claim

Okay, I mean town-who-misplayed or whatever you want to call claiming your faction and flavor for no reason as town. Because I see that as no less likely than him faking it as scum even if he has a carefree attitude as all alignments.

[Expedience]

/confirm

I really don't get why molla's "making someone else's chances of being converted much more probable" is major cause for concern.

Assuming equal chance, literally went from 3.5% to 3.7%. The only way I see it can be that big of a deal, was if you were planning to recruit molla, which wouldn't make sense seeing as the game hasn't even started yet unless you want his role or something.

^ obviously can't round decimals or consider the fact that a cult wouldn't convert themselves

[Expedience]

Sry for trying to play the game... ;-,

[Expedience]

That discussion wrt BBMolla has been overblown I agree, why do we want to speculate on something so silly?

^ scumpostng

[Expedience]

/confirm

I really don't get why molla's "making someone else's chances of being converted much more probable" is major cause for concern.

Assuming equal chance, literally went from 3.5% to 3.7%. The only way I see it can be that big of a deal, was if you were planning to recruit molla, which wouldn't make sense seeing as the game hasn't even started yet unless you want his role or something.

It's not nonsensical, it's clearly a suboptimal play from molla. And I believe Tim's point is that town should want to hold on to whatever utility their role has even if it's not very much -- I know that's how I play as well.

This is some goofy-ass mudslinging.

how has molla's role lost utility from what he's done so far?

0.1% chance of his human town teammates getting culted.

[Expedience]

/confirm

I really don't get why molla's "making someone else's chances of being converted much more probable" is major cause for concern.

Assuming equal chance, literally went from 3.5% to 3.7%. The only way I see it can be that big of a deal, was if you were planning to recruit molla, which wouldn't make sense seeing as the game hasn't even started yet unless you want his role or something.

It's not nonsensical, it's clearly a suboptimal play from molla. And I believe Tim's point is that town should want to hold on to whatever utility their role has even if it's not very much -- I know that's how I play as well.

This is some goofy-ass mudslinging.

how has molla's role lost utility from what he's done so far?

0.1% chance of his human town teammates getting culted.

but the issue wasn't about culting, pretty sure it was that any faction can recruit a non-human, and by claiming non-human, all of the factions know not to target him.

It's actually the opposite, only (most) humans can be recruited.

What I said doesn't even make sense either because factions only win with themselves.

Let's just all agree to immediately lynch Luna Fox once the day starts so people don't struggle to keep up with all the hydra posts.

[Expedience]

Let's just all agree to immediately lynch Luna Fox once the day starts so people don't struggle to keep up with all the hydra posts.

This is scum or anti-town at best, how does it help you to immediately lynch me even if you think im scum, before i even get started scumhunting and getting information out?

because urscumlol

Yes Cephrir, but the hydras will be nightkilled maybe. I just don't want to get caught up in all the posts. I know for a fact that in a large theme if my concentration lapses for one day of not caring to post I will be possibly forever disengaged.

[Expedience]

I think that Tim's scum, and BBMolla's town.

Why do you think Tim is scum? I think they're town

Same.

[Expedience]

Luna what do you think about the people who were talking about the probability stuff?

I think if they're town, they should be discussing alignments instead of probability and if they are discussing probability they should explain how it relates to finding alignment.
If they are scum like i think Exp is, then they are doing fine by shutting scumhunting by overfocusing on probability discussion.

Why are you pretending to scumread me?

[Expedience]

shutting scumhunting by overfocusing on probability discussion.

Clearly not a thing.

[Expedience]

FA is seemingly acting as a mediator here and I think it's scummy.

[Expedience]

@Exp: How come you havent commented on me not townhunting yet? Are you even really paying attention to anything im doing?

???

the point of the probability discussion, while it got excessive, was to determine whether bb's play was likely town motivated.

as much as i don't agree with the conclusion that he's scum for his actions, it has more merit than most early game discussions i've seen

Well all i remember seeing is something about being like 3.5% chance of being converted or whatever and i found that kind of discussion useless for figuring out alignments.

Was clearly semi-serious, at lesat I thought it was.

If Tim is "slinging mud at molla" then somehow he managed to make it look like he was just scumreading him.

[Expedience]

mediator

You already are assuming I'm mafia and your trying to fit my game in your scum illusion.

Your beyond help in this topic. as I said whenever you tried to read me and not just shitting around I'm here to answer.

~Ice

I'm not sure what that means but are you saying that I'm scum?

[Expedience]

I want to talk about percentages again.

70% chance Luna Fox will call you scum for this post

[Expedience]

FA your appeal to emotion actually kind of got through to me even though I probably shouldn't let it, so I'll just leave you alone for now.

[Expedience]

RAM is kind of scum imo.

[Expedience]

VOTE: Cane + Able

Colored text

[Expedience]

Would it change your mind if I told you that I was mostly just fucking around and didn't really mean anything that I said, except for scumreading Luna Fox kinda?

[Expedience]

Personally I think that they should change the site so making your text bold should make it less visible and making text larger should actually make it smaller.

I feel like Cane + Able are just going to use bold text for the entire game as though it makes their opinions more bold, and that bothers me.

[Expedience]

Whoever the person that said the game isn't even Day 1, could you please outline how and why these pre-game interactions are apparently unimportant?

It may as well be called Day 1 with the way interactions are going.

I don't like this post because you don't specifically address anyone.

[Expedience]

Personally I think that they should change the site so making your text bold should make it less visible and making text larger should actually make it smaller.

I feel like Cane + Able are just going to use bold text for the entire game as though it makes their opinions more bold, and that bothers me.

Tbh i thought House was using normal text and Wake bold text to differentiate the heads.

Yes but they could just sign like normal hydras.

[Expedience]

Whoever the person that said the game isn't even Day 1, could you please outline how and why these pre-game interactions are apparently unimportant?

It may as well be called Day 1 with the way interactions are going.

I don't like this post because you don't specifically address anyone.

Don't like it as in it's scummy?

Yes.

Do you think effort is AI?

Maybe a little, please explain the relevance of this question.

[Expedience]

ok I would like to lynch Luna Fox or davesaz.

[Expedience]

But Luna is our FRIEND.

???

Cane + Able's name bothers me because I keep expecting it to be Nero Cain, but he's in another hydra. They should probably have chosen a different name.

[Expedience]

But Luna is our FRIEND.

seriously though wtf is this.

If you're scumreading me how does this post make any sense whatsoever?

[Expedience]

VOTE: rb

[Expedience]

But Luna is our FRIEND.

???

Cane + Able's name bothers me because I keep expecting it to be Nero Cain, but he's in another hydra. They should probably have chosen a different name.

Tough titty.

1) Nero Cain is spelled quite differently.
2) Cane & Able is the title of a House episode.

It's obviously based off Cain & Abel though.

And thanks for forming further distracting associations with Kurio's avatar.

[Expedience]

Nahdia would it change anything if I wrote those posts at 3am in my timezone.

[Expedience]

Nahdia would it change anything if I wrote those posts at 3am in my timezone.

No excuse for scumminess.

-Nahdia

would it change anything if I had a green role pm

extremely shallow read. my first inclination was BBmolla was town for it but reading it again i was like "but why the fuck would he do this" and it instantly occured to me that he might be making an early claim for townpoints because that's something lots of people tend to townread but the info is honestly going to be widely useless.

I didn't think Tim's 46 was about BBmolla.

Oh??? Well was Expedience talking about BBmolla? That's how I interpreted it >_> who else would they be talking about???[/quote]
I meant Wayward Thinker. BBmolla is null / slight town.

[Expedience]

Whoever the person that said the game isn't even Day 1, could you please outline how and why these pre-game interactions are apparently unimportant?

It may as well be called Day 1 with the way interactions are going.

I don't like this post because you don't specifically address anyone.

Don't like it as in it's scummy?

Yes.

Do you think effort is AI?

Maybe a little, please explain the relevance of this question.

You didn't like that the post was general in nature. General posts typically require less effort than specific. So it implied that you think less effort -> scummy. I wanted to test that logic by asking if you indeed think that way.

That doesn't make sense at all...

I didn't like it because it was a vague comment.

[Expedience]

Nahdia would it change anything if I wrote those posts at 3am in my timezone.

oh god i missed this awful, awful, awful scumpost

VOTE: Expedience

Just, ew

I think it's a perfectly valid excuse for why my posts earlier were especially poor quality. I don't remember exactly but I think I was trying to annoy people.

Knowing myself most of those posts which Nahdia seemed to dislike were supposed to be joking but it didn't come across at all.

[Expedience]

Townreads: Cephrir, Nosferatu, BBmolla
Scumreads: Luna Fox, rb, Titus, davesaz, RAM

(unordered)

[Expedience]

I think davesaz is scum because 590 makes no sense.

[Expedience]

Anyway, an Expedience flip would tell us some things, no?

WHat would it tell you?

[Expedience]

Townreads: Cephrir, Nosferatu, BBmolla
Scumreads: Luna Fox, rb, Titus, davesaz, RAM

(unordered)

So you have 3 Town reads and 5 Scum reads? This is just weird all over.

Yes, that's what I have at the moment, I don't see the problem.

[Expedience]

anyways

vote:Expedience

Is this opportunity knocking? Or you have a reason?

I'm joining the wagon 'cause I'd like to see his reaction to an ever growing wagon. I also still dislike his 55.

I kind of... don't want to react.

I'm forcing myself to post here when I'd rather lurk.

55 was semi-serious. You can see that from how it doesn't make any sense. It's literally:
player 1: "player 2 is scum"
me: "hypocritical since ur scum lol"

[Expedience]

pedit — dram is scum? this gets even better

When whoever wrote this post reads this, can you explain this in more detail?

[Expedience]

I like the extras section of the vote count, wtg Mastin.
@Klingon: While i appreciate voting my scumread, can you comment on everything else?

I'm not sheeping you.

That's

my

Scumread I'm voting.

I think Titus and the House heads are Town.

I think Lickety's Scum.

The game's too big with too many mechanics for me to comment on everything this freakin' early. Wednesday of next week is far more likely.

Not every read is mechanics based...

Seriously blatantly skirting content and fighting is your scum mo. Saw it in you can be anyone and saga.
I am not waiting, if I have my way, half way through an annoyingly long d1 to hear from you.

This post pinged me and I think it's because it sounds more like Titus is trying to convince herself that Klingoncelt is scum than anything else. That's the best I can explain it.

[Expedience]

Apparently being (Insert time past midnight) has become the go to solution nowadays.

^ more scumposting

[Expedience]

@Math, You're confbiasing. You do that and you're very frequently wrong, regardless of alignment and you then scumread whoever disagrees.

How am I conf biasing here? I have suggested a theory of you three and potentially Nos on a different team.
Confirmation bias requires a history not just a suggestion when it was my catchup post.

Explain to me how Expedience is town. Because I do not see how me posting my catchup reads upon replace in confirms Expedience as town.

Titus is defending me indirectly and saying that Mathblade is confbiasing implies that she thinks that both Mathblade and I are town. Yet she has never stated this.

[Expedience]

@Math, You're confbiasing. You do that and you're very frequently wrong, regardless of alignment and you then scumread whoever disagrees.

How am I conf biasing here? I have suggested a theory of you three and potentially Nos on a different team.
Confirmation bias requires a history not just a suggestion when it was my catchup post.

Explain to me how Expedience is town. Because I do not see how me posting my catchup reads upon replace in confirms Expedience as town.

Expedience is town because you're centering the game around him being scum. That person you center on (Infinity in gunslingers for instance) is almost always town.

Then you try to place associations on the first day of D1, preflips no less.

These associations are those who disagree with you.

Are you serious?

VOTE: Titus

[Expedience]

Titus just got called out for indirectly defending me, and rather than make her stance more clear (since she could easily get away with saying that she was only slightly townreading me or just considering possibilities), she just doubles down on the read with terrible reasoning.

[Expedience]

I think Titus and the

House

heads are Town.

Tell me more about that.

I'll know more later on, but so far we haven't had Wake's Random Wall O' Bullshit, that's always a good sign.

Town House: Fuck you I'm not sorry.
Scum House: Could you go fuck yourself, please?

Titus' nitpicking tunnel looks typical of Town Titus. (Of course the best tell is her legendary Day 3 VCA.)

It's Day 4 VCA in a large. If you're going to call me legendary...Ewwww, then at least get it right.

Second, your house read looks semanticky.

@Math, thanks for confirming expedience as town. P.s. I do have thoughts on expedience. :-p the wagon is rather crappy.

I didn't see this post. Ehhh that kind of invalidates everything I said but I still think Titus is scum.

VOTE: rb

[Expedience]

@Math, You're confbiasing. You do that and you're very frequently wrong, regardless of alignment and you then scumread whoever disagrees.

How am I conf biasing here? I have suggested a theory of you three and potentially Nos on a different team.
Confirmation bias requires a history not just a suggestion when it was my catchup post.

Explain to me how Expedience is town. Because I do not see how me posting my catchup reads upon replace in confirms Expedience as town.

Titus is defending me indirectly and saying that Mathblade is confbiasing implies that she thinks that both Mathblade and I are town. Yet she has never stated this.

Why did you assume this was indirectly defending you? Wasn't Mathblade scum reading Titus? And if that is the case, wouldn't she be responding more to a confbias against her?

It's not an assumption, that's literally what she's doing in 761.

I have no clue what you're asking me here and I think you misread what I wrote.

[Expedience]

rb is hiding behind his percentage "jokes"

This is basically my gut feeling about rb's early posts that I couldn't put into words.

Kurio's ISO is some weird shit and I'm not sure how to interpret it. I'd be interested to see him post more.

[Expedience]

I don't think that makes Expedience town. I think you are terrible but even I don't discredit you that bad.

Yeah, you do Nero imo, but that's a discussion for another time. At least I am telling Math the problem rather than just saying they suck. They are not a bad player if they'd stop trying to fit everything immediately and observe/document the patterns for collaborative discussion, they'd be more effective and possibly easier to work with and correct wrong reads faster. Given I used to do that myself, i figured a direct approach is best.

You want to "help me get better" and a "direct approach" fine.

Teach me how to read people. Start by explaining why Expedience is town without using my posts. Because quite frankly even without what I think is potential associative tells it is still likely Expedience is scum. Show me how I am wrong and how you are right.

The wagon on him is an utter shit, get the game going wagon. Klingon's vote is textbook jump onto safe wagon.

There's much scumier players but Expedience takes off, right after he threatens Cain and Able...

I don't agree with many of his reads, but disagreement is not scummy. He takes positions that are aggressive and unpopular, sound familiar?

Second, I have my flaws. Don't take me stopping you from making my mistakes as me being a total elitst. I could be wrong on Expedience.

I don't actually think Cain and Abel are scum, I was just taunting them because colored text...

Oh right, but you do supposedly think Cain and Abel are scum. I might actually read that conversation now.

I really find it unfeasible that you're suggesting I'm being wagoned just because I attacked Cain and Abel. Like, that's clearly not the cause, the cause was Nahdia's post. It looks like fake confbias because it just makes so little sense.

[Expedience]

1) yeah, and I have no idea why you think it was informations fishing. I was pretty straight forward for me wanting to know what BB was from
2) Meh? that's all you have to say about it? I don't want to see you confirmation biasing me 30 pages from now.
3) Honestly, with some of the rest of the stuff you have said, I wouldn't put it past you if you were actually serious there. Your ISO is full of stuff like this that doesn't make any sense.

1) Yes you asked him for pointless information and there was never any follow up to the questions on your part. I don't think the information you where asking for is important for town to know this early which made me believe you where scum. Responding to my pregame read this late to try and discredit me is a top kek. Like did you just go through my ISO and try and find a way to discredit the primary player pushing your wagon?
2) Meh. Yes you are town reading someone for something in an ongoing game (only meta based read you can't talk about). What do you want me to say to you regarding this? I have no idea what this read is based on and as a result it means nothing to me.
3) Town don't take posts like 684 seriously and if they do they ignore it. You are feeling victimized of literally nothing.

VOTE THIS SLOT PLEASE.

~Bee

This is dumb.

[Expedience]

I can't see why expe wagon formed.

people just voted him.

someone explain why they felt the aggression and calling so many people scum is scummy

~Ice

It clearly wasn't because of that, it was because *goes to check because I actually don't know lol* oh that's right Nahdia disagrees with my entire ISO.

Also that reminded me, I decided earlier that you were town because of 146. I strongly think the natural scum move would have been to say that you were scumreading me.

[Expedience]

someone explain why they felt the aggression and calling so many people scum is scummy

Because he's been calling me scum for no reason and i don't like that

If you're town and aware that you have weaknesses like this, then you shouldn't be voting me.

The emote is so out of place and leads to this interpretation.

This is scummy and shows a difference between stance and implied opinion.

In this way this post is a scumclaim but I don't have the right words to describe it... I feel like I did a bad job of explaining.

[Expedience]

838 shows that Luna Fox isn't really scumreading me, only deliberately OMGUSing. This is true because she is consciously aware of her OMGUS.

[Expedience]

I have him as scum for trying to fit what I'm posting into scum motivation, but I have a weakness for OMGUSing people and want to check it vs. other evidence.

See, this is the way to say what Luna Fox said without scumclaiming.

[Expedience]

Also @Expedience: 755 uses the word "someone" but I haven't seen you call it out.

It has come to my attention that rb may have scum slipped.

He said the last time he played as Town was 2 months ago. His first game he played he was Town which was May 17th, about 2 months ago.

That is an incredibly weak point. Do you sincerely believe him talking about past games means he is scum here? I feel like it would have been far more contrived if he had said "last time I played as town (other than this game) was two months ago". Plus, it is arguable that using the words "the last time I did x" rather than "I haven't done x since" implies that THIS TIME x is the case. (Granted, I did not go reread those posts to see exactly what phrasing he used, I'm basing my interpretation off the exact phrasing you used to reference his comment)

Bad point is bad.

Cephrir, you quoted someone's list of reads(they had 3 town, and 1 scum) and you said you agreed with three of those reads, but did not specify which three. One of those town reads was on Expedience, and you later expressed positivity towards Nahdia's post attacking Expedience.

(Sorry, mobile, or I'd go back and get you the actual posts)

Anyways, just curious which three reads you agreed with from that post, and why you didn't specify it at the time...also curious about the nature of your enjoyment of that post by Nahdia. Did you agree with the Expedience read there? Or was there something else about it that you enjoyed?

Nahdia, when you wake up in the morning(and you specifically, not the other heads of your hydra), please explain this Expedience attack to me again, in a different fashion if at all possible. I don't really see the cause for the pressure on him (unless it's pressure for pressures sake, but that doesn't seem to be the case, a bunch of people appear to legitimately believe they're scum), and I'd like to understand this better. And since you started it, I feel hearing your reasoning in greater depth if at all possible would be most informative.

-Cerb

Pedit: well, it seems my first point was just addressed. Good.

"just curious", no dude you're quietly gathering evidence to paint him as scum and you're probably scum yourself.

VOTE: Luna Fox, I don't want to vote rb any more since he might be town.

Wayward Thinker is painfully town. Both of the largest wagons are trash and this is sad.

[Expedience]

@Expedience you're gonna have to explain why WT is painfully Town and also answer some of the questions I posed in 885

I can't do it man, he just is.

Ugh, I can't read that post because it has post tags and I don't have enough tabs for that shit. I don't even know what part you want me to answer, it's just words. Like my role pm which I spent ages trying to decode.

You're asking too much of me.

[Expedience]

4- Luna is probably on my side (not completely sure though)
5- Titus is probably town too.

Possibly the most indirect townclaim I have ever seen.

[Expedience]

4- Luna is probably on my side (not completely sure though)
5- Titus is probably town too.

Possibly the most indirect townclaim I have ever seen.

People claiming town, sound the alarm.

Do you want something

[Expedience]

Expe what do you think of that?

~Ice

I don't think WT said anything about Nahdia.

Dramonic, I was pointing it out because it was indirect. I've decided that it's null anyway.

[Expedience]

as soon as i cut off my catchup post there's this

838 shows that Luna Fox isn't really scumreading me, only deliberately OMGUSing. This is true because she is consciously aware of her OMGUS.

jesus. titus PLEASE explain to me in what fucking world this is town because i dont think i live in it.

-Nahdia

That's the most null thing.

Most of your case is telling me that I'm wrong. You either genuinely believe that having different opinions to you is scummy or you're pretending to, and either way it's unpleasant to deal with.

I think you could be scum hiding behind walls of superficially townie rhetoric while really saying very little at all, but I'm not sure so could you just stop and be more coherent.

[Expedience]

Apparently being (Insert time past midnight) has become the go to solution nowadays.

^ more scumposting

WAS THIS ALSO 2AM FOR YOU, FRIEND? BECAUSE YOU'RE DOING THE THING I'VE BEEN HEAVILY SCUMREADING YOU FOR.

I'm guessing "THE THING" is posting in the thread?

I made that post because Luna Fox was making this doubtcasting post while voting me and claiming a strong scumread on me. I really struggle to see why you townread them.

I literally can't see how that is anything other than "i disagree with ur opinion so ur scum" and if you seriously think that you should probably re-evaluate your approach to every game you play.

[Expedience]

Cool! I'm all caught up as of NOW. I -of course- expect to be some 30 pages behind when I check in next time!

Reads (roughly so):

1.Heartless - - - - - (I'll need to reread their ISO)
2.KuroiXHF - - - - - (I'll be damned if I could recall he was playing here w/o checking the player list)
3.Klingoncelt - - - - (um??)
4.Titus - - - - - - - - (leaning town, but I don't remember why!)
5.dramonic - - - - - (Call me paranoid, but I'll keep him at null)
6.Salt Squad - - - - (beeboy is townish)
7.Almost50 - - - - - (I think he needs to go get some sleep)
8.Nosferatu - - - - - (He posted a few times, but nothing stuck into my memory)
9.Mathblade - - - - (The only think I learnt is they're Titus sibling!)
10.Wayward Thinker (I'm "trying" to give them the benefit of doubt, telling myself scum could be pushing the slot for hinting they can investigate location. Still, I'm not comfortable with LQ's play thus far and I have my doubts. Null for now)
11.Stormblade - - - (Ah yes. The fantastic 3. Nahdia's giving me town vibes, and I hope I'm right this time)
12.davesaz - - - - - (some of the good and some of the bad. He does have content but I'm undecided on his alignment)
13.copper223 - - - - (The name doesn't ring a bell. I know I've seen a post or two from him but...)
14.Cane + Able - - - (This slot is up to something. Whether it's good or not is yet to be decided. I'm watching you two.)
15.Tim - - - - - - - - (Insert some comment please)
16.No Retreat - - - - (One thing is for sure. The avatar is MUCH better than the annoying one Nero has on his own account.)
17.A Song of Ice and Fire (Frozen is starting to town up, but I also need Fire to talk more so I can read the slot with more confidence.)
18.RAM - - - - - - - - (So far Cerb has not been as active as I've seen him be in SS)
19.Lady Lambdadelta - (OmegaPiOmikron.. what's up?)
20.rb - - - - - - - - - (I want to say a town lean but something inside me says not to be hasty).
21.Cephrir - - - - - - (Is that Dutch?)
22.Luna Fox - - - - - (I could've put her at the top of my town reads had it not been for that claim. Still feeling more comfortable considering her friendly).
23.Expedience - - - - (I'm trying not scum read you bc everybody else seems to, but you're reads and votes are making it a bit difficult for me to town read you at any level at all.)
24.BBMolla - - - - - - (Honestly I wasn't buying your pre-game claim until Luna claimed, so maybe that's the one positive side of her claim.)
25.TheWayItEnds - - (This one's going to have to wait)
26.Skybird - - - - - - (Peregrine? Is that you?)
27.Toogeloo - - - - - (I remember the name, but I didn't see the face.)
28.Franky - - - - - - (Or maybe THIS is Peregrine??)

Disclaimer: All reads subject to change upon a reread or new content. the two I'm most comfortable with are the two non-human claims, bc the claims support eachother (and somewhat make sense to me)

You have no scumreads, doesn't this bother you?

What is your read on me regardless of what everyone else is doing? I don't see why that would matter to you.

I mean, of course you're not going to like my votes if you're townreading the entire playerlist lol.

[Expedience]

NO IT'S NOT. It's not about disagreeing with you. It's about you having a scum mindset. I never see town accuse someone of "not really scumreading them". It's such a disgusting way of framing a scumread. You're both discrediting scumreads on yourself and mudslinging someone else in one post, someone who happens to be fairly town, on that note. It's ridiculous. Your posts read strongly to me like someone who knows they are scum is making them. You absolutely

reek

of scum motivation to me. I don't see the logic in your reads except in that you're trying to dismantle the wagon against you.

-Nahdia

Maybe if you repeat it enough times it'll become true.

I think it's a useful tell. It's not a way of framing a scumread, it's evidence to support a scumread. Luna Fox doesn't think that I'm scum but she's voting me, therefore she is scum.

Of course I'm going to "discredit my wagon" or whatever, I'm town.

Is the gladiate real?

I guess you're town though.

[Expedience]

NO IT'S NOT. It's not about disagreeing with you. It's about you having a scum mindset. I never see town accuse someone of "not really scumreading them". It's such a disgusting way of framing a scumread. You're both discrediting scumreads on yourself and mudslinging someone else in one post, someone who happens to be fairly town, on that note. It's ridiculous. Your posts read strongly to me like someone who knows they are scum is making them. You absolutely reek of scum motivation to me.

I don't see the logic in your reads except in that you're trying to dismantle the wagon against you.

I actually can see the bolded part; I

feel

expe got a little bit defensive recently and lost the aggression he had in pregame . I don't agree with the basis of your scumread though. that's like the exact same thing expe did to me at start - attacking someone else because they disagree about a read.

Yes, that was probably because I got wagoned and I avoided posting to some extent so that Nahdia didn't puke more rhetoric at me.

I "attacked" you to help me determine your alignment, but if I was scum I guess that's an interpretation of my actions.

[Expedience]

scum can't have gladiate?

Those sentences weren't related. I think they sounded like they believed what they were saying, more so than they did before actually.

[Expedience]

someone explain why they felt the aggression and calling so many people scum is scummy

Because he's been calling me scum for no reason and i don't like that

No, this is why Luna Fox is voting me.

"Because he's accusing me and when I'm town I OMGUS people "

[Expedience]

expe what about it felt like she beleives in what she is saying?

why you felt that make her town , do you think scum don't believe what their saying - I kinda lost your logic here.

~Ice

Repetition of the same point several times.

Yes, scum don't believe what they're saying because they would know that I'm town (for example, Luna Fox).

[Expedience]

Nahdia what about those quotes were bad?

he feels luna is not scumreading him legitly but is voting him

luna said that she is voting him becuase she didn't like expe's push

what do you think about that?

~Ice

They're reactions and they're bad omg. At some point this becomes a debate on rhetoric. If you read those quotes and you don't see scum, then we just don't agree on what scumtells are at a baseline level and I'm not gonna have that debate. The bottom line is he's handwavey and trying to excuse himself which is total crap.

-Nahdia

So what would be a town response to the wagon on me? To excuse yourself is, like, the point of what you're supposed to do as either alignment.

[Expedience]

Yes, scum don't believe what they're saying because they would know that I'm town

maybe in singleball but even in singleball you can legit hunt the sk.

but this is MB scum are hunting each other.

I forgot that it was multiball. (because I'm town)

Maybe they are scum then. But I don't really feel it.

[Expedience]

You're just making stuff up now. I've given reads on most other players.

[Expedience]

Because his logic is so completely stupid that even he wouldn't buy into it as scum.

What logic is stupid?

Of course I wouldn't buy into it as scum, unless I was bussing or something. This doesn't make sense.

[Expedience]

Nahdia would it change anything if I wrote those posts at 3am in my timezone.

im not gonna do that annoying thing where i copy paste this quote 50 times in one post but GOD DO I WANT TO

-Nahdia

Sure, you could do that instead of responding to me when I point out glaring holes in your arguments.

[Expedience]

@everyone who is calling Expedience Town: Wtf are you seeing in him that's Town?

He doesn't provide reasons for anything he does, he barely responds to questions, he doesn't do anything that I can even perceive as pro-town.

I need an adult to highlight a bunch of his posts and show me why they're town motivated. Explain it to me like I'm real dumb, I don't care - just show me how and why you could possibly read Exped as Town.

I can't respond to your essay and I don't see how that could be anything other than non-alignment-indicative.

[Expedience]

Because his logic is so completely stupid that even he wouldn't buy into it as scum.

I would buy that but on my only game with Exp he at least tried to read me and provided reasoning for his scumread on me "he didn't like my townhunting strategy coz he didnt understand it at the time", here he has provided no reasoning and it looks more like he's just assinging me an alignment and going with that rather than actually reading me.

Yes except for the game where I played with your main and basically trolled, didn't explain my read on you at all and you got upset about it.

You're blatantly lying about your meta knowledge of my play to accuse me of being scum, and you're scum.

[Expedience]

Before I go I want to say that I now have a reasonably strong townread on rb for the post where he does the text size thing.

[Expedience]

I'm illiterate ok?

[Expedience]

Although i admit i never saw the "pretending to scumread him" reason like ever before, FmPoV he was just scumreading me without reason thoughout all game and only gave a reason when he misrepresneted my post to spin it like it was OMGUS

So why did you unvote me?

[Expedience]

This is mainly so that I express my paranoia of certain town reads I have before it comes up later and I flail around a bunch about how they are freaking the beejesus out of me.

This is overexplanatory and describing your own thought process unprompted is a scumtell.

[Expedience]

Exp, what was your reasoning for you scumread on us?

I see what Luna is saying.

I feel all your scumreads have no actual reasoning.

Because of what you said about Nahdia, actually. And I didn't like the posts that Cerb made really.

It does have reasoning, the reasons are specific posts. I'm going to make more of an effort to be transparent now.

[Expedience]

By that I mean the same thing about excessive and jumpy emotion actually applies to you more than it does Nahdia.

[Expedience]

Also, how the fuck is this a beaver?

I have made a promise that every post I make will be worth your time to read. Therefore, I will share my townread on BBMolla and my slight scumread on Copper and a mild townread on Luna Fox but I hope to have that read cleared up in due time. I'm on like page 5, though.

I'm going tryhard this game for Drixx and Cerb. Please notice me.

~Bins again.


pedit - pls notice me pls

This is such a scummy post.

[Expedience]

someone explain why they felt the aggression and calling so many people scum is scummy

Because he's been calling me scum

for no reason

and i don't like that

No, this is why Luna Fox is voting me.

"Because he's accusing me and when I'm town I OMGUS people "

Fixed that for you.
Maybe just maybe if you want to ML people you should at least try to read their posts you know.

Yes, but you don't actually think that I'm scum. You just don't like it when people call you scum, and the first reason that bring up is that you don't like being voted, not that you think it's a scumtell or anything.

It's as if you gave an RVS justification for a vote that's supposed to be serious and that's scummy as fuck.

Yes except for the game where I played with your main and basically trolled, didn't explain my read on you at all and you got upset about it.

Isn't that the blitz game where you were scum.

You're blatantly lying about your meta knowledge of my play to accuse me of being scum, and you're scum.

Blatantly lying? no, Misremembering maybe, I don't go fact check everytime I remember something. And I'm all ears and open to your explanations i've been all game, yet you still haven't explained a single thing about your scumread on me.

This is complete bullshit, we have played 3 games and you somehow only managed to remember the one from like a year ago, and claimed that it was the only game. You're clearly pretending to misremember.

You probably forgot that I knew who your main was, and thought you could get away with lying. You are deliberately faking your understanding of my meta and that basically confirms you as scum. Like, it's an explicit thing.

You could not say this in earnest after saying things like this in the past.

[Expedience]

Also, how the fuck is this a beaver?

I have made a promise that every post I make will be worth your time to read. Therefore, I will share my townread on BBMolla and my slight scumread on Copper and a mild townread on Luna Fox but I hope to have that read cleared up in due time. I'm on like page 5, though.

I'm going tryhard this game for Drixx and Cerb. Please notice me.

~Bins again.


pedit - pls notice me pls

This is such a scummy post.

What? How?!

LAMISTy, extremely overly wordy. At least Nahdia just repeated the same thing over and over.

[Expedience]

This is mainly so that I express my paranoia of certain town reads I have before it comes up later and I flail around a bunch about how they are freaking the beejesus out of me.

This is overexplanatory and describing your own thought process unprompted is a scumtell.

The fuck?

Clarity is NEVER a bad thing.

Unless you're scum.

did you read my post.

[Expedience]

The expedience wagon is promising

it is?

i'm kinda' missing whatever everyone else is seeing on that and tth didnt seem to catch anything there either

what are YOU seeing in tit?

Expe is unusually flaily, whereas as town his posts are compact and minimalistic, he is spending far too much time justifying himself and appealing to other players instead of scum hunting, I don't understsnd his Luna read and the way he is pushing it seems fake.

Expe, did you respond to this post?

What do you think of it?

I think it's a valid observation but not alignment indicative, it's just what happens when people wagon me I guess.

[Expedience]

It's disturbing that you guys can read these posts and think Expe's scum and not deranged town. You guys ableist or something?

How dumb do you to think he is, to do the shit he's doing and still be town?

please stop.

No Retreat is town, maybe Heartless but less so.

Almost50 I think is town. I do find his reads a bothersome, but I think he believes what he's saying in 1339. The confidence is probably real from my experience playing with him. His claim is townie, I don't think he'd immediately say something like that as scum.

[Expedience]

Kurio we want your reads not your quips

[Expedience]

Town: Wayward Thinker, Cephrir, rb
Slight town: Heartless, Klingoncelt, Almost50, Nosferatu, Stormblade, Cane + Able, A Song of Ice and Fire, BBMolla, Toogeloo
Null: dramonic, Salt Squad, Mathblade, davesaz, copper223, Tim, Lady Lambdadelta, Skybird, Franky
Slight scum: KuroiXHF, Titus, RAM, Luna Fox, TheWayItEnds

[Expedience]

sry ill try 2 use a different michelle obama pic next time but thats my fave one

It's just awful, I hate having to scroll past it.

[Expedience]

Now get it through your thick skull because I'M NOT CLAIMING MY FULL ROLE not even AFTER I get hammered (if i do). If you ARE human, look elsewhere and let me do my thing here.

Now go vote Heartless bc I promise you he is anti-humans. If you don't have faith in my early reads please go check SOCCER SPIRITS (even though we were both scum on the same faction) or Bloodborne (the game Varsoon just finished modding). In the former I was adamant DS was Mafia and he was. The latter I was pushing on Nahdia and got ignored and she ended up sweeping the game for scum single handed. (and there are players here who witnessed at least one of these two game, including yourself, so get your head in place and VOTE CAUGHT SCUM).

This feels town, please stop voting this upstanding gentleman.

[Expedience]

It's like your forcing yourself to have any sort of reads, and that's concerning.

This really in the game?

Notrly.

Most responses you make to people's posts completely ignore context.

[Expedience]

Now get it through your thick skull because I'M NOT CLAIMING MY FULL ROLE not even AFTER I get hammered (if i do). If you ARE human, look elsewhere and let me do my thing here.

Now go vote Heartless bc I promise you he is anti-humans. If you don't have faith in my early reads please go check SOCCER SPIRITS (even though we were both scum on the same faction) or Bloodborne (the game Varsoon just finished modding). In the former I was adamant DS was Mafia and he was. The latter I was pushing on Nahdia and got ignored and she ended up sweeping the game for scum single handed. (and there are players here who witnessed at least one of these two game, including yourself, so get your head in place and VOTE CAUGHT SCUM).

This feels town, please stop voting this upstanding gentleman.

He's not saying "i'm town unhand me this instant!!", he's focusing his energy into trying to lynch someone else and that is a town mindset even if it isn't clear why he's thinks that.

[Expedience]

sry ill try 2 use a different michelle obama pic next time but thats my fave one

It's just awful, I hate having to scroll past it.

blocking each image you post using adblocker

[Expedience]

Maybe I was wrong about Titus idk.

[Expedience]

Maybe I was wrong about Titus idk.

This needs to be lynched. Now. Catching up in progress starting from end working back.

If you struggle with a read share thoughts do something...just "idk" is at best filler and at worst scum trying to look authentic versus be authentic.

I'm doubting my previous scumread on Titus because of her recent posts, and I would think that was obvious if you made even the most cursory attempt to understand what I was trying to say.

You seriously opened the thread, saw a post saying "idk", and then immediately became certain that this person needed to be lynched?

[Expedience]

So to begin analysis I decided to ISO Expedience, both because of his interactions with me and because of the wagon on him.

Spoiler: Expe iso

55 calls 38 hypocritical and implies Song is scum
56 comments to Tim's 46, but whose entrance was town? Wayward
57 Molla town
60 he's town, how is defending wayward hypocritical?
63 would vote song
93 luna scum
105 still on luna
111 why luna? lol
118 tim town
121 luna pretending to scumread him?
136 FA mediator, scummy
485 RAM kind of scum
532 votes C+A
539 fucking around except for kinda scumreading luna
546 doesn't like rb post, don't specifically address anyone
560 reply to my question about 546
561 wants to lynch me (note his two lynch wants are people who questioned him)
570 if rb is scumreading him then why is Luna rb's friend?
576 votes rb
581 trying to excuse early (<485?) posts as 3am. buddying nahdia too...
589 wayward scum, molla slight town
596 early posts were meant to be joking
727 reads list. ceph, nos, molla town; luna, rb, titus, dave, ram scum; titus is new...
735 i'm scum because 590 makes no sense...
751 actually asks a question, of RAM
758 titus trying to convince herself kling is scum
777 comment on titus telling math they are confbiasing. note, I missed that he accuses titus of the same thing she was previously accused of in post 263-274 range
780 votes titus (784 for terrible reasoning)
793 sees another titus post which invalidates earlier thoughts? not sure how... back to rb
812 uses molla's post about rb jokes to justify scumread
859 luna's 838 is a scumclaim? but other people do it too, it's nearly universal
932 quotes my 824 no reaction. quotes RAM defending rb. Votes luna because rb might be town. wayward town
974 defends against Nahdia "you just disagree with me"
976 reply to almost50 reads. I kinda agree on the no scumreads question
988 stormblade town
990 to song: attacked them to find their alignment
1004 forgot it was multiball (because he's town) ?? really? how can you possibly miss it?
1006 - has given reads on most other players. this is checkable (see above)
1033 accuses Luna of lying about meta knowledge. he played with her main and trolled -- like he is here?

Interactions with other players and analysis:
Song: Early in the game said they were scummy, would vote them. Later in the game 990 said he attacked them to find their alignment. No other evidence in ISO that he's doing anything to find their alignment.

Tim: Says he's town in early game. No further interactions that I noticed.

Wayward: Says their entrance was town, by way of comment to a post by Tim. Explained the read vaguely. Replied to a question from them. Defended them from Salt. Defended again, "painfully town". This all seems consistent, although the reasoning is vague. Strangely, no direct interaction via quote, though I could have missed some back/forth which had no quotes.

Luna: Says she's scum, but gives lol for a reason. Claims she's only pretending to scum read him, point out her admission that she OMGUS's as a scum claim. In 539 he as much as admits to Nahdia that he was joking. In 988 he clearly says his scum read is caused by her OMGUS (which was caused by his scum read). In 1033 he claims she's lying about their (brief) history by pointing out a game where he trolled her and she got mad -- which is exactly what he's doing here!

Well now, I should have just listened to my gut I think. In my exchanges with him I immediately thought he was trying to twist our conversation to a place where he could scumread me, but I doubted it because I have a weakness for thinking that. Turns out on a deeper look at his Luna read, he led her straight into doing what he's scum reading her for, and he admitted that he knew she would react exactly the way she did. Repeat after me, manipulation ahoy!

VOTE: Expedience

Turns out on a deeper look at his Luna read, he led her straight into doing what he's scum reading her for, and he admitted that he knew she would react exactly the way she did. Repeat after me, manipulation ahoy!

I never said that and I'm not sure what made you can reach that conclusion. At least you sound enthusiastic about it.

[Expedience]

Although i admit i never saw the "pretending to scumread him" reason like ever before, FmPoV he was just scumreading me without reason thoughout all game and only gave a reason when he misrepresneted my post to spin it like it was OMGUS

So why did you unvote me?

I already explained that before.
I was scumreading you because i believed that scum wanted me dead due to me

slipping my role in a place where i didnt realize scum could be

and they got that info, and shortly after you started scumreading me.
But this logic doesnt match if you're the only one doing so.

Is this a reference to you slipping your faction in your neighborhood?

If so, I'll unvote you because that makes me strongly townread you actually. It's too complex to be faked and I didn't understand it before, I thought you were just handwaving "oh i thought the entire scumteam was voting me" but this is clear town paranoia. I guess I was tunneling too hard.

[Expedience]

oh and treat luna like a mason claimer

your really shit to vote her after all this

~Ice

Are you talking to me? What are you trying to say

[Expedience]

No you're talking about dramonic nevermind.

[Expedience]

VOTE: KurioXHF

[Expedience]

@Exped + Wayward: why are you buddying each other so hard? How could your townreads of each other be THAT strong?

I'm townreading him kind of strongly I guess. You can't ask "why are you buddying him", because that implies that i'm scum.

This is going to sound bad because I can see you're seeing us as partners or something, because this is honestly similar to what I would say if I was scum with him, but I was actually just trying to look at LicketyQuickety's meta earlier today in search of some certainty because he seemed like the type of player with a strange style. And I came to the conclusion that the majority of the things he did that you might notice from reading his posts were NAI but he was more awkward, less confident, less pushy as scum. And some of the posts like 771 (bottom of the post) and 1434 seem especially town.

I considered making a post about it but I didn't want to because it would seem like I was defending him way too hard, so it is perceptive of you to ask this. I don't even want to post this really.

[Expedience]

@Exped + Wayward: why are you buddying each other so hard? How could your townreads of each other be THAT strong?

I'm townreading him kind of strongly I guess. You can't ask "why are you buddying him", because that implies that i'm scum.

You're right, it does imply that you're scum. I'm not sorry.

This is going to sound bad because I can see you're seeing us as partners or something, because this is honestly similar to what I would say if I was scum with him, but I was actually just trying to look at LicketyQuickety's meta earlier today in search of some certainty because he seemed like the type of player with a strange style. And I came to the conclusion that the majority of the things he did that you might notice from reading his posts were NAI but he was more awkward, less confident, less pushy as scum. And some of the posts like 771 (bottom of the post) and 1434 seem especially town.

I'm seeing one of you as scum. If you're both Town my head will probably explode. One of you is buddying the other.

Also the certainty with which you speak of your townread doesn't just sound like you plunged some of his meta, because that's not what would give you this absurdly strong town-read. Doesn't make sense.

It's not absurdly strong and I don't know where you got that idea from. I said that I tried to search for more certainty.

[Expedience]

I'm not going to get invested early in this game because if I do, I will lead the town and drive a lynch on cult, and then probably get recruited into that same cult the very night after I lynched them. That's my luck. Another reason is that it takes 15 to lynch and we are so far off from that. Another reason is there are too many players and I can't keep track until this number dwindles down.

Albert

I don't think ABR is saying that he's actually afraid of getting culted or whatever. I think he's just making up an excuse not to contribute, but that this is null.

[Expedience]

UNVOTE: KurioXHF

[Expedience]

rb, it's actually much more indicative of Wayward Thinker being the same alignment as me because if he's scum it doesn't make sense to townread his counterwagon unless I am also scum (which I'm not).

[Expedience]

Expedience, without mentioning meta, or the VC count, do you think WT's content has been town? And if so, why?

Yes, because he is confident in himself. I already mentioned this.

If he's "throwing the kitchen sink" at rb I think that is a good sign that he's at least doing something.

[Expedience]

That reason was coupled with a meta reason. Scum can fake confidence easily enough, especially when voting for someone like Kuroi. It's also expected scum "do something". "doing something" isn't a good reason to townread anyone. Is that the extent of your townread? Is there nothing more specific about what they did that you found town?

ok sure then i guess all my townreads are just scum pretending to be town.

No, there's nothing more if apart from what I already said. I usually just read people based on gut / tone and have to explain it afterwards for people like you. It doesn't look like fake confidence to me otherwise I wouldn't be townreading him for it what do you want from me.

[Expedience]

rb, it's actually much more indicative of Wayward Thinker being the same alignment as me because if he's scum it doesn't make sense to townread his counterwagon unless I am also scum (which I'm not).

what does this even mean?

~Ice

It means in a scenario whether it's currently him or Expedience, WT could have jumped on Exp no problem. The fact WT did not suggests town. Or that they are buddies.

Are you just explaining his point or actually agreeing with it?

What Titus said is what I meant btw.

[Expedience]

That reason was coupled with a meta reason. Scum can fake confidence easily enough, especially when voting for someone like Kuroi. It's also expected scum "do something". "doing something" isn't a good reason to townread anyone. Is that the extent of your townread? Is there nothing more specific about what they did that you found town?

plus the reason won't apply on page 3 when he omgused me instead of him so I just feel he is hiding something.

~Ice

And I'm not claiming my current read to be based off page 3, obviously that's just stupid.

That was an RVS read. I still think that his early posts were town though for what little that's worth.

[Expedience]

townreading WT for not voting his counterwagon 48 hours into a game is pretty level one

Nobody is saying that you missed the context.

[Expedience]

That reason was coupled with a meta reason. Scum can fake confidence easily enough, especially when voting for someone like Kuroi. It's also expected scum "do something". "doing something" isn't a good reason to townread anyone. Is that the extent of your townread? Is there nothing more specific about what they did that you found town?

plus the reason won't apply on page 3 when he omgused me instead of him so I just feel he is hiding something.

~Ice

And I'm not claiming my current read to be based off page 3, obviously that's just stupid.

That was an RVS read. I still think that his early posts were town though for what little that's worth.

you seemed pretty much sold on that read back there though

~Ice

I was surprised at how Tim could draw the opposite conclusion to what I drew and I wanted to post about that. I don't decide my reads in the first 3 pages.

[Expedience]

you said cuase he is not voting you he is very likely town

what missing context?

~Ice

The context is that rb was asserting the opposite. I'm not townreading him because he isn't voting me.

[Expedience]

I'm a non-human aligned with humans and I hate all non-humans

Figure that one out

thanks for scum claiming.

Why is this a Scum claim?

I don't like this question too , Its like the questions scum players ask after RVS to show themselves active while their just trying to show themselves acive ...

~Ice

Hypocritical considering this is the kind of comment scum players make,..

"Are you aware there is a cult in the game"
"But what does it mean?"

+

"Please give region"
"Why'd you do that bro"

His entrance was so town are you kidding me.

I think BBMolla is actually this careless and not-fuck-giving, not just scum and pretending. So I think he's town, that is.

3 reads on page three. the read on me was actually omgusing me against him so it indicates you were highly townreading him

~Ice

55 is not "OMGUSing", that's not even what that is, and I said that because you were criticizing someone for "filler content" during RVS, which seemed vaguely scummy to me at the time. It didn't actually have any relation to who you were accusing.

Do you actually think you're proving anything or getting anywhere with this.

[Expedience]

Lol, the fuck?

So why ARE you townreading him then.

Tim already asked me this question. You've come full circle.

[Expedience]

Do you actually think you're proving anything or getting anywhere with this.

just trying to test the grounds of what you claimed earlier in your last post about you didn't have any strong reads on page 3.

~Ice

You understand what RVS is.

[Expedience]

Exp. What was the thing about the townread on WT? something about townreading the coutnerwagon or whatever, can you explain that again or at least link the post to where you did?
I'm trying to see if plurality lynch might be a factor here.

Oh, The Thing, it's a Thing now.

Rb said that he thought one of WT and I were scum because we were townreading each other. Then I said that, in fact, the opposite is more likely to be true because we were both being wagoned and if only one of us were scum they would have incentive to crossvote.

[Expedience]

I'm not townreading WT for it. It was just a counterpoint to what rb said. Not exactly what Cephrir said but close enough.

I'm denying it because it isn't true and a miscommunication but you seem to think that I'm hiding something.

[Expedience]

I'm going to sleep now bye.

[Expedience]

Why would town do two naked votes?

...

VOTE: RAM

Because I didn't like Cerberus' posts and I felt like they were trying to win me over as opposed to sorting me before. I also feel like there are a disproportionate number of scum in the inactive players because I don't have many scumreads or strong ones currently.

[Expedience]

I'm not sure what alignment Kurio is and his behavior generally seems unreadable to me, but I saw him get mislynched before so that's why I unvoted.

First off, a three-person Hydra? I just realized this. Fucking what?

Strong Town:
Lean Town: Dramonic, Almost50, Cane and Able, Tim, ASOIAF, RAM, Expedience
Null/Unsorted: Klingoncelt, Titus, Nosferatu, Stormblade, davesaz, Copper, Lady L, RB, Goofball, BBMolla, Toogeloo, Franky
Lean Scum: Heartless, Salt Squad, No Retreat , Cephrir, TWIE
Strong Scum: Wayward Thinker, Luna

BTW, just realized I'm finally playing a game with my old pal, Nero. Hi Nero!

And yes, my list is really undeveloped. I'm aware.

Underdeveloped my ass

You have Luna as scum, C and A as strong town, me as null, no retreat as scum, heartless as scum and despite Math chainsawing the fuck for you, you forgot she exists

It's just garbage. Total garbage.

I dislike this post, it sounds over the top to me.

[Expedience]

if lld does not come in here and do shit i would not be opposed to lynching her

Same. After reading DGB's post I went and looked, and her entrance felt like scum trying to seem aggressive initially coming into the thread.

[Expedience]

rb, it's actually much more indicative of Wayward Thinker being the same alignment as me because if he's scum it doesn't make sense to townread his counterwagon unless I am also scum (which I'm not).

what does this even mean?

~Ice

It means in a scenario whether it's currently him or Expedience, WT could have jumped on Exp no problem. The fact WT did not suggests town. Or that they are buddies.

See this is an example of what I am talking about with "softball questions".

The stream of consciousness of that post seems to be that Expedience wrote it from a perspective of scum because Expedience said "Being the same alignment because if he's scum" should be "being the same alignment because if he's town" subconsciously he ends the post with "(which I'm not)" like he knows something is wrong there. Then Titus comes along the back end and posts incorrect logic. I am scum reading both WT and Expedience but they do not have to be on the same team. Nor is any of that indicative this early even if multiball.

Does not compute

I'm townreading a song of Ice and Fire, and I'm leaning scum on Titus but feeling conflicted about that.

[Expedience]

I dislike stormblade entirely because of ABR's apathy, but Titus is correct in that it's NAI.

?????????

[Expedience]

I don't see the problem with high activity since it makes it harder for scum to connect with the game than town but whatever I'll post less.

[Expedience]

that feel when you get your role pm and you're not mysterious unknown faction

Would be more appropriate on page 1.

Now I can see why Wayward isn't doing well at this game - he's not a great player.

No. it's because he's Scum.

I bet he's partners with Expedience, a side-by-side ISO is interesting...

Umm. Is this seriously where you're at in the game klingon?

-Cerb

I don't like this post because Wayward Thinker and I both have wagons on us.

All of Cerb's posts sound so... weak.

It's day 1, what's wrong with a nice easy wagon to work with? Let's not over complicate and elongate what is going to be the longest most disassociating Day 1 mafia game ever.

Saga Frontier begs to differ.

Your point still stands though. The problem I have is the fact that Kuroi is like...basically just not defending himself. WT sorta defended themselves, but they're really not saying that much, but what little they say is all bad. It's an inept defense versus no defense, and idk, just doesn't feel like scum would actually just suck this badly at staying alive when there's an infinite number of other people to let the game focus on.

That's what I mean by too easy, and why it gives me pause.

-Cerb

Like this one.

RAM, you're a three-person hydra, and you haven't voted anyone at all in this game. Are you going to do that any time soon?

[Expedience]

RAM is making it unnecessarily clear that they agree with most of DGB's reads while being placed at the bottom of them. Posting is fake.

I spent a few minutes trying to understand what RAM was actually saying about WT because it looked like a townread at first. And there are parts to it which really don't seem consistent or like a believable read.

pedit: ??? Wait, I was actually wrong lol?

I think the way the Kuroi wagon started was absolute bullshit and I lean town on Kuroi. Nothing he has done has actually caught my eye as scummy. LOOK AT THE WAY HIS WAGON STARTED. LOOK AT WT's POST ABOUT HIM. Like does 1434 ACTUALLY say ANYTHING? PLEASE, look at it. It's disgusting. I don't see how that's an actual case on him at all. Is anyone actually ISO-ing him? There's nothing wrong with the posts LQ quoted?! It's like he just quoted posts and then tried to think of clever responses to them.

This is writing scum motivation into LQ's actions.

[Expedience]

Yeah, but I guess they could be scum. Not as certain, though. There was something about a direction they went in (I think townreading Expe? I can't remember) that gave me slight goodfeels about them.

This is a slight scumread, "not as certain, though"...

[Expedience]

You're right, that is bad.

VCA

oh good i need to add to my wall of self-quotes about vca being shit

Titus is actually very good with VCA - if she's Town.

As Scum, her analysis is a load of wank.

This is an empty statement. What do you think she is now given her likely connection to Expedience I outlined? (Or rather Expedience's possible connection to her?)

I admit I'm cutting her some slack due to her illness. Plus you and I

always

scumread her, so I'm cutting some slack there, too.

Anyway, an Expedience flip would tell us some things, no?

The context of that quote, basically she makes this weird vague questiony agreement with FA, then when I follow up on it she states what FA said before. So it feels like scum being forced into a read.

[Expedience]

Cerb, did you just get here or did you post 2296 and 2297?

[Expedience]

RAM's read on WT is so waffly and inconsistent. I doubt there was any deliberate change of stance there but the awkward way it was explained is still scummy.

i encourage the rest of you to join me in ceasing to inflate your post counts, and become part of the solution.

is what you're posting really, truly that important? just ask yourself that for a second, and realize it's probably not.

no u

No Retreat, I'm voting RAM.

[Expedience]

I don't like calling stuff a "slip" when it's not a slip so that makes them lose a lot of points in my eyes.

Do you often suspect players for believing in something you don't believe in?

Exhibit A

[Expedience]

The capitalized words on RAM's posts are deliberately placed and so the tone feels forced.

[Expedience]

Town: Wayward Thinker, Cephrir, rb, Heartless, Luna Fox
Slight town: Klingoncelt, Almost50, Nosferatu, Stormblade, A Song of Ice and Fire, BBMolla, Toogeloo, DrippingGoofball
Null: dramonic, Salt Squad, Mathblade, davesaz, copper223, Tim, Franky, Wake88, KuroiXHF
Slight scum: Titus, TheWayItEnds, Lady Lambdadelta
Scum: RAM

[Expedience]

Actually you know what, do it. Switch to me. Get off copper and switch to me right now and do your best to frame me as scum. Gogogo.

They can't do it this post is just too town

[Expedience]

I accidentally didn't move Klingoncelt to slight scum,

[Expedience]

What people call "overdefensivenes" is usually a towntell.

[Expedience]

Town: Wayward Thinker, Cephrir, rb, Heartless, Luna Fox
Slight town: Klingoncelt, Almost50, Nosferatu, Stormblade, A Song of Ice and Fire, BBMolla, Toogeloo, DrippingGoofball
Null: dramonic, Salt Squad, Mathblade, davesaz, copper223, Tim, Franky, Wake88, KuroiXHF
Slight scum: Titus, TheWayItEnds, Lady Lambdadelta
Scum: RAM

apparently I don't exist

Ok yeah this is just wrong delete thia post I'm going now

[Expedience]

For those voting the top two wagons could you give a sentence on why you're willing to lynch your target?

Mainly I'm asking this because I watch wagons to see how much or how little resistance they have.

Scummy

[Expedience]

RAM's posts are extremely awful but I can't explain why, it's frustrating.

[Expedience]

For those voting the top two wagons could you give a sentence on why you're willing to lynch your target?

Mainly I'm asking this because I watch wagons to see how much or how little resistance they have.

Scummy

By all means I want to hear it. Why?

"That's rather odd. Please, would you be so caring as to explain how I am scum? I eagerly await your response and am most very interested in it."

[Expedience]

I will try explaining once again:

1. TTH has a history as a hardcore lurker as scum, Antihero also lurks but in the heartless hydra and in multiball situations, probably also when motivated by helping TTH out, it is not as easy to see as some of you think.

2. TTH is still not posting and when I asked him where she is, he called it a cheap shot and started the wagon on me (after throwing feelers out first, which I also find scummy).

This seems... clearly untrue? They aren't lurking.

I don't have a read on copper though.

[Expedience]

Mathblade, I don't think Klingoncelt is pairing me and Kuroi, I think she's pairing me and Wayward Thinker.

I would support lynching Klingoncelt.

[Expedience]

After reading what Mathblade wrote about Cane + Able I went back and tried to understand what that argument with Titus was about because I never really understood that. It made me think that Cane + Able was more town, I was questioning my townread on them before but I think they're town. It bothers me that Titus is scumreading them for that.

I can't townread dramonic because I think he could easily hide behind the sarcasm and confident reads as scum.

[Expedience]

Luna Fox earlier claimed to be in a neighborhood with Stormblade, copper then said that he was also part of the neighborhood. I don't think there's any chance of them being untruthful about this, surely you've played with neighborhoods before?

[Expedience]

K RAM is also a good lynch.

Vote them then.

Heartless is not going to be lynched even if you think they're scum because too many people are townreading them.

[Expedience]

Believe me. I get you're frustrated.

It's even more than frustrated.
As he already claimed, we're on the neighborhood which means that
A) He's scum
or
B) He's the same race as me.

And i shouldnt need to get into why he being B and getting lynched scares the heck outta me.

Wait, who claimed that?

copper did

Hold on! So, you + Stormblade + Copper + BBmolla are all in the PT? Are there any more member of that PT?

P.S. I don't want their names. I just want the total number in there. They can choose whether or not to announce themselves.

Where did you get BBmolla from?

[Expedience]

I accidentally didn't move Klingoncelt to slight scum,

Town: Wayward Thinker, Cephrir, rb, Heartless, Luna Fox
Slight town: Klingoncelt, Almost50, Nosferatu, Stormblade, A Song of Ice and Fire, BBMolla, Toogeloo, DrippingGoofball
Null: dramonic, Salt Squad, Mathblade, davesaz, copper223, Tim, Franky, Wake88, KuroiXHF
Slight scum: Titus, TheWayItEnds, Lady Lambdadelta
Scum: RAM

apparently I don't exist

And Expe leaves Nero off his list.

smh...

Am I the only one seeing it? Surely someone else does.

Any one of Expedience, Wayward Thinker, or their minion No Retreat should be today's lynch.

@Wake88

- I'm right. You know how sometimes I get the Scumteam right. I did it here. Be a sheep.

You don't really believe that that's alignment-indicative.

All of your confidence is sickeningly fake.

I also forgot to move you on the list, so...

[Expedience]

Shitty posturing

[Expedience]

“Klingoncelt - Scum” I think she is a 1v1 with Titus and Expedience here. If Titus and Expedience are town, she is probable scum. Reading back the COM hunting section I don’t like it and I don’t like how she mentions that we are likely in a different timezone. This should be fundamentally irrelevant. Post 710 if Titus is town and trying to get them to shut up is all kinds of bad. But if Titus is scum and spamming up the thread (which she can do quite well as scum) this is town aligned.
A lot of the posts for KlingonCelt depend on how to read other players and I don’t like that. I wish they would post some (or more depending your opinion) original content to help me sort out both slots.

2648 is also all kinds of bad. Other games are not indicative of this one. Site meta is a thing, but it is a thing I fucking hate.

I also don’t like that they are pairing Kuroi and Expedience. That is completely unsupported.

I have changed my mind on Kuroi and Expedience. I still have Kuroi on my Scum list, but he''s not paired with Expedience, WT, and No Retreat. He's on a different team.

I don't care that you (and others) don't like site meta (or player meta, or VCA.) Meta works for me. It works well. I'll keep using it.

I'm also no longer sure that Titus is Town. She's fishing too much for information. As Town she usually demands that everyone keep their shit a secret until it's time for the popcorn claim.

That never even happened, you were never pairing Kuroi and I. You never even give a read on Kuroi.

Mathblade made a mistake and you just went along with it because your stances are completely fake.

Kuroi still looks like the counterwagon to Wayward.

VOTE: Vote: Wayward Thinker[/vote ]

this

And how the fuck can you have Kuroi on your scum list if you're saying this?

You're just making it up as you go along.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

[Expedience]

Also I skimmed her ISO in BLOODBORNE MAFIA and she had good tone, so there goes the only reservation I had about the slot.

[Expedience]

Also I skimmed her ISO in BLOODBORNE MAFIA and she had good tone, so there goes the only reservation I had about the slot.

What does this mean?

It means that I liked Klingoncelt's confidence this game (that's why I was initially townreading her). But I checked her ISO in BLOODBORNE MAFIA, a recently completed game in which Klingoncelt was scum, and saw similar kinds of posting.

Also I skimmed her ISO in BLOODBORNE MAFIA and she had good tone, so there goes the only reservation I had about the slot.

Okay. So let me get this straight. You ISO'd Klingon for tone, but you didn't bother to ISO me when you claimed I was using CAPS too much to look fake? Or you know using a too emotion heavy tone? Two things you had valid reason to meta me for... but you didn't? YOU CAN EASILY CHECK MY META AND SEE HOW WRONG YOU ARE. Everything you're saying is something I do as toooooooown.

This is ridonkculous, Expe. I can't believe you argued I was scum because of CAPS still. Then you ISO someone else's game, but you didn't both to see how stupid you were being about me.

@Copper — what's with the total 180 read on us?

~ Bins

This post almost reads as sarcastic, that's how fake it is.

I cbf checking meta usually but in Klingoncelt's case it conflicted with my other read. Why do you care still?

Obviously the capitalization wasn't the main thing, but at the time really that was the best way I could explain it. The fact that you latch onto that clearly weak reason is also telling.

I have changed my mind on Kuroi and Expedience. I still have Kuroi on my Scum list, but

he''s not paired with Expedience, WT, and No Retreat.

He's on a different team.

Kuroi still looks like the counterwagon to Wayward.

VOTE: Vote: Wayward Thinker[/vote ]

this

And how the fuck can you have Kuroi on your scum list if you're saying this?

You're just making it up as you go along.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

I really wonder what goes on in that head of yours.

Saying that Kuroi is the counterwagon to Wayward implies that Kuroi is town in the way that phrase is usually used.

[Expedience]

Math is right about the 5 factions, that is obviously the case and RB gets scum points for trying to cast doubt on it.

@Expe
So you are saying she has good tone as scum?

Yes, that's what I said.

What I am getting is that rude Kling is more likely to be town Kling, that is likely what she means about Titus lying about her meta.

Maybe? She wasn't very rude in BLOODBORNE MAFIA, but she was at times kind of snappy / blunt in a way that I would usually associate with town. I did find a counterexample in another game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p7455498.

[Expedience]

I know you're going to give me shit for this but Nahdia I think you're right. I thought it over and I changed my mind. It's not about confidence, it's about actually pushing people and she never really did much of that in the ISO I read.

VOTE: RAM

Kuroi, if you're town, do you seriously not realize how uncooperative and almost hostile your entire play is? Because you're making it impossible for me to read you right now.

[Expedience]

actually nevermind whatever maybe Titus is right, but meta is useless and I'm going to stop trying now.

[Expedience]

Oh and for my own sanity

@Mod: How many factions are in this game? Without quoting the first post because people don't read or just don't read?

She won't be able to tell you, clearly.

[Expedience]

I mean... it's not too hard:

...Yet

a fifth faction

lurks in the shadows...a faction with an entirely foreign motive, one which sparked the war in the first place.

That's only with respect to flavor. Did you see Toogeloo's claim of "Individual Human"? That would be considered a separate faction in the sense of wincons probably.

[Expedience]

VOTE: Klingoncelt

[Expedience]

Unfazed

[Expedience]

Because I am no better than everyone else. They can be right and I can be wrong. The game is going on long enough. Decisions have to be made.

...

...

...

I don't have an opinion, that doesn't seem like an especially out-of-character post for Titus to make, not sure what the deal is.

[Expedience]

What I am getting is that rude Kling is more likely to be town Kling, that is likely what she means about Titus lying about her meta.

Maybe? She wasn't very rude in BLOODBORNE MAFIA, but she was at times kind of snappy / blunt in a way that I would usually associate with town. I did find a counterexample in another game: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p7455498.

I wasn't being rude there, I was being annoyed.

Not

alignment

indicative.

That's what I concluded because you showed it as both alignments... But I think that getting annoyed in a certain way is a towntell for a lot of players.

[Expedience]

This isn't happening I guess.

VOTE: Kuroi

I think he could be scum, not really sure. He's a better lynch than WT though.

[Expedience]

Oh, and one more thing...

There is a cult faction this game

. Be warned. Nothing is known about it.

[Expedience]

Town: Heartless, Almost50, No Retreat, A Song of Ice and Fire, rb, Cephrir, Luna Fox, Toogeloo
Slight town: Mathblade, Wayward Thinker, Stormblade, Wake88, Tim, DrippingGoofball, BBMolla
Null: KuroiXHF, dramonic, Salt Squad, Nosferatu, copper223, TheWayItEnds
Slight scum: Klingoncelt, Titus, davesaz, Lady Lambdadelta, Franky
Scum: RAM

Should probably just lynch Kuroi already.

[Expedience]

I think this will be my last post on this. In 694 you are town reading Titus. She (Titus) made 3 posts between 694 and 752 What in those three posts made you change your Titus read?

Titus was my IC. I've been in games with her for several years on 4 different sites. A sideways glance from her, an ill-timed sneeze, the slightest change in the wind, and my Scumdar could explode. Or it could give the all-clear.

Did it, though?

I think I've said thatI'm back and forth with her.

You didn't answer the question. What exactly did you see or think about that changed your mind?

[Expedience]

Was it not immediately obvious to you that you were town from the color?

[Expedience]

Do not bring outside influences into the game - this includes threats, bribes, wagers, promises, "trust tells", alliances, etc. Using knowledge from previous games is perfectly acceptable, but try not to carry grudges from one game to another.

No, obviously you can't do that, and that's very obviously not what Almost50 was doing?

Are you deliberately trying to create irrelevant discussion to prove a point or something?

[Expedience]

I think Titus was scum and the other two were town?

[Expedience]

No, Kuroi was town, although I think it's supposed to be ambiguous:

It is an obligation to not let that time be meaningless. It is a duty to make sure it meant something. All the lives lost, including the one you most wanted to save...they have put you where you are now. You don't need to become better. What you need to do is serve others. To heal, to help, to protect, to fight for the greater good.

[...]


The humans might discriminate against you, not unjustifiably, either. But you'll live. You'll bear that burden, suffer if needed. Because you believe that the shortcomings of the past are no reason to fail in the present. They might not acknowledge what you do, but they don't need to. That's not what you're after. You're out there for one simple reason: life above all.

He lied about his race probably because he thought it would get him lynched.

[Expedience]

VOTE: RAM

This is unambiguously scum though.

[Expedience]

VOTE: LLD

Wuldens are scum, but LLD might claim Individual Wulden though.

Pedit: lol

[Expedience]

LLD you should full claim.

[Expedience]

Do we know for a fact that Wulden are Scum?

Yes, they're the Dmitri Damanos cult thing (although not necessarily a cult in terms of mechanics) from the flavor.

[Expedience]

Like my win con specifically talks about winning with humans, and I don't know how much I can say but there's a treaty I'm meant to protect.

No, it doesn't, it would say "you win with the individual wulden faction" or w/e and be deliberately vague.

All of the information you've given so far you could easily have determined from what has already been posted in the thread.

[Expedience]

LLD's attitude to this whole thing is inconsistently vacillating between "wtf i'm a secret miller grr so angry", and "oh how can i help you explain my wincon i'm so confused help"

[Expedience]

Yeah Dram's is like.... that's more or less word for word mine?

Yeah, well that's bullshit because dramonic is an undead risen slave, not an individual undead.

[Expedience]

All of the "individual x" roles flipped so far have had wincons of "you win with the individual x faction". LLD is claiming an "individual wulden" faction and telling us that she wins if threats to the human treaty are eliminated.

LLD is

obviously lying

.

[Expedience]

I share the same win condition with Kuroi. That is as far as I want to claim.

So you're claiming a Vampire/aligned with Vampires? GREAT!

VOTE: Salt Squad

lol do you have any idea what is going on.

[Expedience]

LLD probably used the wincon from a different fakeclaim the Wulden have and thought they would be the same.

[Expedience]

Tinfoil theory:
LLD is scum and has a fake claim, but since her race got caught, was forced to change it to Individual Wulden.
But on the off chance im wrong, she may be our ally so... ughhh

This is probably what happened.

And I mean, LLD, you aren't even reading the thread supposedly so yeah, I'm not surprised that your fakeclaim was bad.

[Expedience]

All that proves is that Salt Squad is non-human, and I don't think anyone was really questioning that.

Pedit: what LLD said, Wake say it or stfu.

[Expedience]

Being not-scum doesn't mean you aren't cult. Changing people's WinCon is pretty much definition of cult, no?

VOTE: Salt Squad

Like I believe that you believe you're Town, but I don't believe you really are what you believe you are.

Literally every non-human can once per game change the alignment of some humans, it says in the OP.

[Expedience]

WHY WOULD I NOT BE GIVEN A FAKE CLAIM IF I WAS SCUM.
WHY WOULD IF LUNA CLAIMED A "ISOLATION WHATEVER THING" RESULT ON ME WOULD I CLAIM INDIVIDUAL VAMPIRE.

like come on you guys are being terrible.

I don't understand what you're arguing here, why can't "individual vampire" be the fakeclaim?

[Expedience]

Also I'm pretty sure the "Town" WinCon is the one that says you win with the Individual Humans, regardless of your race.

All Individual Human factioners please vote Salt Squad.

It's more than just that; Kuroi, dramonic, and probably Titus were also town in the sense of uninformed minority, and they win with individual humans presumably.

[Expedience]

To be honest I think that Salt Squad are telling the truth and Luna is just misinterpreting what her result is, or it was redirected, or something.

LLD and RAM are scum though.

[Expedience]

Like, "isolationist" might just mean "individual", and things have been been lost in translation.

[Expedience]

LLD is a much better lynch than Salt Squad because LLD's claim is bullshit and Salt Squad sound more genuine, and actually have a good claim.

I think the fact that they expect the individual vampire conversion redacted part on Kuroi's rolecard to confirm them as town is a towntell.

[Expedience]

WHY AS SCUM WOULD I NOT HAVE A FAKE CLAIM.
WHY AS ISOLATION SCUM WOULD I BE GIVEN A FAKE CLAIM OF ANOTHER SCUM FACTION.
LIKE COME ON FROZEN.

I don't think you used your fake claim cuase you thought you can make us think that faction of yours is town becuase of the way it flipped.

if you were town why the fuck kuroi lied about his race yesterday ?

Who the fuck cnfirmed your an isolated thing? There is no way for an isolated thing to have a FACTIONAL recruit shit

~Ice

It says in the OP:

Each faction, if possessing a non-human race, has a one-shot ability to recruit a human to their faction. Emphasis "human". This ability will fail if more than one faction attempts this on the same target. This ability does not work on all humans. Regardless of success or failure, this ability is used up once activated. (The recruiter will be informed if they fail, but not the reason why.) In short, only the unluckiest of humans will get culled. It can happen, though, so be cautious!

If Salt Squad are individual vampire, they are probably town.

[Expedience]

Dmitri Damanos, once a mere bandit who had fled from the eastern kingdom, had formed a cult revering the beasts as gods.

This cult, the Wulden

,

Wuldens are the CULT, my friend!

In flavor, yes. I don't think they are actually the cult. Because the bandit guy converted them before the game started.

[Expedience]

Kuroi was scum

@Expediance HOW can a faction with recruit function be uninformed about their members? how is that factional cult ting even work?

~Ice

Every non-human can do that, regardless of whether or not they have partners, I think? It's not messed up because there are very few players who can be converted apparently.

Kuroi was town, dude. Read the flavor. It said he was a hunter who had decided to heal people and be a good person instead.

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Frozen be arguing I claimed scum as scum rather then using a fake claim.
She is also arguing Kuroi is doing the same thing and also didn't have a fake claim.

Woooo.

kuroi claimed human before getting lynched

wtf are you talking about

~Ice

Kuroi's flavor mentions something about being persecuted for being a vampire. Also, he might have mistakenly thought that he was scum.

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@Nahdia

I didn't ask you

I want to know all the restrictions they have cuase currently a factional recruit function like that make no sense as a town faction

~Ice

They can only recruit some humans. They can only recruit once per game. If two people try and recruit the same person simultaneously, both fail.

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You know what, I'm willing to entertain the idea of LLD being an individual Wulden. I did strong townread them yesterday. So fine, it's a possibility.

UNVOTE:

VOTE: LLD

It just doesn't add up.

Albert

It does add up.

Individual appears to mean "No access to any PTs".

I don't have access to a PT.

I'm a Wulden.

Individual Wulden.

Who wins with the New Human Treaty.

Individual also seems to mean not knowing exactly what your win condition is.

I invite anyone who is "individual x" but doesn't have a wincon of "you win when all threats to the individual x faction have been eliminated" to claim this.

Individual Wulden is basically the only thing LLD could claim if she was actually Wulden. I think she had another fakeclaim prepared which was human or something, and decided to just change the race to Wulden, leaving the wincon unaltered.

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Toogeloo, is your win condition related to the treaty or does it just say something about threats to the individual human faction?

[Expedience]

Sigh