Gistou (Over!)

[Cephrir]

/confirm

[Cephrir]

if i'd been sober when i signed up for this maybe i'd have been smart enough to get a hydra

[Cephrir]

/confirm

I really don't get why molla's "making someone else's chances of being converted much more probable" is major cause for concern.

Assuming equal chance, literally went from 3.5% to 3.7%. The only way I see it can be that big of a deal, was if you were planning to recruit molla, which wouldn't make sense seeing as the game hasn't even started yet unless you want his role or something.

It's not nonsensical, it's clearly a suboptimal play from molla. And I believe Tim's point is that town should want to hold on to whatever utility their role has even if it's not very much -- I know that's how I play as well.

This is some goofy-ass mudslinging.

[Cephrir]

/confirm

I really don't get why molla's "making someone else's chances of being converted much more probable" is major cause for concern.

Assuming equal chance, literally went from 3.5% to 3.7%. The only way I see it can be that big of a deal, was if you were planning to recruit molla, which wouldn't make sense seeing as the game hasn't even started yet unless you want his role or something.

^ obviously can't round decimals or consider the fact that a cult wouldn't convert themselves

oh I'm sorry. 3.6%, not 3.5%. Thank you for making me reconsider so much in my life, I feel like I'm more efficient already. Thank you for letting the point of the post fly over your head at mach fucking 5.

grumpy much

[Cephrir]

im sorry you rolled scum that must be tough

[Cephrir]

how has molla's role lost utility from what he's done so far?

have you been paying attention at all

[Cephrir]

0.1% chance of his human town teammates getting culted.

i think you're missing the point

the longer bbmolla is alive, the bigger his mistake becomes

[Cephrir]

luna fox isn't even a hydra

[Cephrir]

I think that Tim's scum, and BBMolla's town.

Why do you think Tim is scum? I think they're town

[Cephrir]

I think that Tim's scum, and BBMolla's town.

Why do you think Tim is scum? I think they're town

Because they seem to have overblown bbmolla's claim out of proportion

It seems pretty in-character to me for Iec (I assume Iec is posting) to be concerned about optimal play

[Cephrir]

Luna what do you think about the people who were talking about the probability stuff?

I think if they're town, they should be discussing alignments instead of probability and if they are discussing probability they should explain how it relates to finding alignment.
If they are scum like i think Exp is, then they are doing fine by shutting scumhunting by overfocusing on probability discussion.

the point of the probability discussion, while it got excessive, was to determine whether bb's play was likely town motivated.

as much as i don't agree with the conclusion that he's scum for his actions, it has more merit than most early game discussions i've seen

[Cephrir]

Tom got overly paranoid for it "increasing chances of being culted" i think that was scummy.

Why, Ms. Motivations?

[Cephrir]

Tom got overly paranoid for it "increasing chances of being culted" i think that was scummy.

Why, Ms. Motivations?

I think his motivation was most likely to sling mud in the direction of Molla.

Hm.

I think it's potentially having the effect of causing others, if they exist, not to do the same thing molla did. I also don't think it's super likely they expected to get Molla lynched off this/at all, as people tend to townread actions like what he's done.

FA is seemingly acting as a mediator here and I think it's scummy.

I've liked her tone, but having seen some of her play before I don't think I'm going to be great at reading her.

Ceph why is Tim town?

-sc

I'm quoting this so I remember to answer it.

[Cephrir]

"Are you aware there is a cult in the game"
"But what does it mean?"

+

"Please give region"
"Why'd you do that bro"

I liked this post. I haven't fact-checked to see whether it's a valid criticism of Wayward Thinker, but it's a post made by someone who's honestly analyzing the game. To be fair, it presumably being multiball makes this less important, but town will still be more interested in putting themselves out there and having strong opinions.

But I'm no closer to understanding why, if you're town, you made someone else's chances of conversion that much more probable.

If you really are having trouble following the most basic facets of what I'm communicating to you, I'm just going to assume that you were not thinking like a townie with your non-human race and be done with you.

p-edit:

Yes

LMFAO wHo cAREAS HAHA Xd

I do. Well I did.

There's at least 3 factions that have a 1-shot recruiting ability, and the cult probably is multiple shot but I can't imagine them not being able to recruit humans.

Do Bulletproofs claim so their role becomes worthless? No, because that's stupid.

But by all means, continue to troll. Maybe more sods like Expedience will buy that

Okay, but how does that make BBMolla scum rather than just bad town?

Do you have any experience playing with BBmolla? He's not bad town. you can say maybe he's performed badly as town sometimes, but he isn't bad town. 2ndly, he has a carefree attitude as all alignments really. And he's done speculative plays before as scum before as well.

@Bbmolla: Perhaps you don't have the same kind of "how to play a role" sense as I do, but that kind of play really stretches my limits of credulity. In any case my metric for scumminess won't be defined as just that, so if your day play is satisfactory it will do a lot to help your claim

These posts all show a consistent and coherent line of thought even if you don't agree with it. Opinions are not shifting in the wind. They make sense if you first assume the player in question cares about this sort of thing which they clearly do

obviously it's only page 6 but that's sufficient for me at this time

[Cephrir]

Luna are you an alt?

-sc

No (why does this question come up every game)

Why do I recall otherwise?

[Cephrir]

fair enough, i hate talking about my alt's altiness as well

[Cephrir]

hi antihero!

[Cephrir]

love you too

[Cephrir]

Since I give Exped a 67% chance of scum, there's a 0.67 x 0.91 = 61% chance that Ceph is Town.

false, you've failed to account for the possibility that expedience and i are both town

[Cephrir]

that's one of the weirdest reasons i've ever been townread but okay

[Cephrir]

that is actually a less weird reason but i appreciate the attempt!

[Cephrir]

anti you just hate love and rainbows!

[Cephrir]

anti you just hate love and rainbows!

... huh?

your dislike of titus' post

i wasn't serious

[Cephrir]

Anti's probably town.

That was fast

There's a 31% chance I'll say less sig-worthy things when not sleep deprived.

Theres a 85% chance that I will post dragon gifs for your next sig worthy post.

~Fire Song

Please do

anti you just hate love and rainbows!

... huh?

your dislike of titus' post

i wasn't serious

shrug

i mean... if ur srsly townreading fa rn
>u dont know fa
> ur a sucker
>ur scum trying to avoid conflict or "townread" ur buddy

Both 1 and 2. I've never played with FA and it's been repeatedly established that I'm a massive sucker

[Cephrir]

oh you were talking about titus' post wow that makes so much more sense

i was townreading FA as well though

[Cephrir]

@luna

titus' post included a townread on fa. then i got confused because i'm stupid.

[Cephrir]

BBmolla - Scum doesn't randomly distribute potentially incriminating information in the first few posts of the game when they don't know if the will get town read.

i'd argue that scum probably would know whether or not that information was incriminating. fakeclaims are a thing.

[Cephrir]

I prefer to keep myself null on expe though.

<_>

[Cephrir]

Fire bringer trolls as scum more.

not sure this is true

[Cephrir]

that's one of the weirdest reasons i've ever been townread but okay

Town post because the person is weirded out, and only people who are weirded out are town.

~Fire Song

This is the only post remotely close to scumhunting i've seen from fire.
Where are you getting your read from.
Just this?

I think that looking for town tells over scum tells is a huge town tell in multiball since scum are prioritizing finding the other scum or getting control over the game by driving lynches because there is another faction fighting for that control.

~Bee

but, like, he didn't do that??

[Cephrir]

just throwing this out there, when I made my "I'm town" post the irony was that I wasn't 100% sure I was actually town but I figured I was due to lack of nightkill

but then why would you ever do that

[Cephrir]

I am setting a pace for the game that scum can't keep up with and it makes people's alignments more apparent as a result.

that's a new one

[Cephrir]

do you know you're town now? if so, how?

[Cephrir]

I am setting a pace for the game that scum can't keep up with and it makes people's alignments more apparent as a result.

that's a new one

Why would I bother lying about how I like to play mafia?
I think that if I aggressively have reads scum players will try and match that which isn't particularly easy to do. Or at the very least it generates discussion. Is my play style bad in your eyes or something?

~Bee

Sheesh calm down

I just don't know that I agree scum will try to do that or will fail if they try

[Cephrir]

do you know you're town now? if so, how?

Reactions to my fullclaim

I would've figured from your role pm kek

perhaps he doesn't have the benefit of having a fake role pm to look at

egocentricity son

[Cephrir]

well technically, there is no scum since everyone wins with their faction. But you said before you didn't have a nightkill right? In my eyes that's town.

Well my win condition indicates that i'm town so i doubt this is necessarily the case.

Are you referring to the having a night kill part, or winning with a faction part?

^scum

well technically, there is no scum since everyone wins with their faction. But you said before you didn't have a nightkill right? In my eyes that's town.

Or cult?

^once again scum

No, what's scummy is writing off a legit possibility.

Are you trying to piss me off with Robb-like idiocy, bro?

^scum

[Cephrir]

So basically i win with town but im not explictly town then?
The win con looked like normal town win con to me.

there's no functional difference between being town and winning with the town

[Cephrir]

well technically, there is no scum since everyone wins with their faction. But you said before you didn't have a nightkill right? In my eyes that's town.

Well my win condition indicates that i'm town so i doubt this is necessarily the case.

Are you referring to the having a night kill part, or winning with a faction part?

^scum

well technically, there is no scum since everyone wins with their faction. But you said before you didn't have a nightkill right? In my eyes that's town.

Or cult?

^once again scum

No, what's scummy is writing off a legit possibility.

Are you trying to piss me off with Robb-like idiocy, bro?

^scum

Okay pumrir, explain to me how cult isn't a possibility.

While you're at it, explain why me poking at a logical hole makes me scum.

i just didn't like your tone in the last post

[Cephrir]

I was reminding Molla who I was in the last post.

am i supposed to care

[Cephrir]

I was reminding Molla who I was in the last post.

am i supposed to care

Was I supposed to care whether you care when I said it?

it sounded an awful lot like the intent of post 346 was to defend against my dislike of your post. so it looks like you do care. was i wrong?

[Cephrir]

i think further speculation on multiple towns could reveal people as human or not human and should therefore be avoided thank you have a nice day

[Cephrir]

RAM maybe town, No Retreat also maybe town.

+1, I think.

[Cephrir]

how is it "presumably multiballl" in a known multifaction game?

i have no idea why i wrote that

[Cephrir]

is dave being derpy lynchbait again or is he actually scum this time

[Cephrir]

<sad pumbaa>

[Cephrir]

OK, so here is what I have for reads:

Town:

Dav - for being so proactive so early/pointing things out that he doesn't need to
No Retreat - Just seems like Town motive
Expedience - I don't think they do what they are doing as Scum

My one Scum read is:

Nosferatu - doesn't seem to be actually solving the game, but pointing out stuff that really doesn't matter much.

Even though I agree with three of these reads prima facia, I don't like anything about how you're expressing them. They're wimpy.

Goddamn so I had 5 pages down in a big long catchup post and then my computer crashed so you people are just gonn ahve to to dealwith this shit sloppy shit and ur gonna like it

ok first 5 pages. from what i remember it was mostly bbmolla being dumb and ppl yelling. Tim was mad at him and i couldn't decide if it was disingeousous "trying really hard to look like town" or actually town. bbmolla wasn't actually town fori t. copper was right on that. luna was right to say people should stop giving a fuck. SC was bad when he called luna scum for that but was town when he said something else and i dont really remmber what it was. also THIS GUY. THIS FUCKING GUY. THIS GUY IS SCUM. AND IM GONNA VOTE HIM RIGIHT NOW:

VOTE: EXPEDIENCE

im actually so pos of this and whenever i get confident early game reads they're usually right so look the fuck out dude im tunneling you till the end of time.

other stuff. The ice head of Ice and Fire got salty and Titus called her town for it and Titus was probably right but NAI from Titus. ASOIAF lean town tho. Nosferatu dishes out some quality bant and Cephir apparently isn't about that lifestyle but he can step off bc Nosferatu is cool by me dude. i feel ike scum were moe inclined to harp on that molla bullshit for as long as they could bc it's the kind of discussion where ucan blend in and earn #townpoints without actually having reads.

anyway more to come SOON probably maybe and i will likely be more drunk by then this is just first 5 pages.

-Nahdia

I fucking love this post. My love of this post borders on the sexual.

<sad pumbaa>

Hey what's up Ceph. What's got you frowning?

Albert

I like Heartless and I want them to townread me so I can work with them!

ok I would like to lynch Luna Fox or davesaz.

could vote wayward or tim. not liking beeboy posts from the salthydra

I'm on the same wavelength with the Tim read.

Also scumreading Cephrir.

Reason on Cephrir? And not on the same wavelength on the others?

On Cephrir, I just think his overall posting is pretty craptacular. The occasional Nosferatu shots aren't very good and don't have any teeth. There's also his latest post on davesaz (Post 393) which gives me the distinct "pushing-but-not-really-pushing" feel that I think scum try to shoot for in multiballs.

Oh right, you don't get me. <_>

[Cephrir]

I managed not to add my total confusion about how expe could be scumreading luna fox.

[Cephrir]

extremely shallow read. my first inclination was BBmolla was town for it but reading it again i was like "but why the fuck would he do this" and it instantly occured to me that he might be making an early claim for townpoints because that's something lots of people tend to townread but the info is honestly going to be widely useless.

I didn't think Tim's 46 was about BBmolla.

[Cephrir]

Nahdia would it change anything if I wrote those posts at 3am in my timezone.

No excuse for scumminess.

-Nahdia

extremely shallow read. my first inclination was BBmolla was town for it but reading it again i was like "but why the fuck would he do this" and it instantly occured to me that he might be making an early claim for townpoints because that's something lots of people tend to townread but the info is honestly going to be widely useless.

I didn't think Tim's 46 was about BBmolla.

Oh??? Well was Expedience talking about BBmolla? That's how I interpreted it >_> who else would they be talking about???

I thought they were talking about Lickety's hydra, whatchamacallit.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Nosferatu

[Cephrir]

Nahdia would it change anything if I wrote those posts at 3am in my timezone.

oh god i missed this awful, awful, awful scumpost

VOTE: Expedience

Just, ew

[Cephrir]

I wanted to vote C+A, but I don't feel that way anymore.
Wish I had a dayvig tho.

they're pretty scummy too, yes

[Cephrir]

Something you should know about me: my reasons for my reads don't mean much, what matters are my reads. you played a game with me and saw my case on MonkeyMan in that StrangeCoug game so I expect you to relook at that if you have further doubts about my reasons.

i don't know if this is gonna work for me, but i do remember that you're a moonlogicker

[Cephrir]

last time i ultimately townread your moonlogic though so there's something i don't see yet

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Nosferatu

Naked vote. Explain please.

i already noted posts from nosferatu i lowkey didn't like.

[Cephrir]

I want to talk about percentages again.

whyyyyy
Well percentages of someone being scum due to some weird math is fine, i just dont get the benefit of discussing chances of being culted, when the only ones interested in that would be the cult recruiters.

Light scumread on RB right now for posting math instead of content.
Don't get me wrong I love numbers but this is bad.

If y'all want probability numbers I can fucking do that but that leads to a ton of gambler's fallacy and I would rather focus on scum hunting.

Ignore the numbers and you'll see there's content in those posts.

What is with all these naked votes?

we've all had itchy trigger fingers for 20 pages

VOTE: Cane and Able

The Nos votes suck, their vote sucks. The heartless vote is rather meh. Anti's probably town though. I've been scum with him and I cannot seem him efforting this hard as scum.

<sad pumbaa>

yeah... spare me this

in the umpteen faction thing mastin's got goin' here, townreads are going to be a little harder to come by so the whole "fhd;lksaf;dsafjdsa;lk shucks i wantz townreadz" rn is ... not happenin

i'm not one of those people who gets super annoying about it

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Cane and Able

The Nos votes suck, their vote sucks. The heartless vote is rather meh. Anti's probably town though. I've been scum with him and I cannot seem him efforting this hard as scum.

that's efforting? i dont have a strong read on them yet and i don't have a clue why you do

[Cephrir]

Nos is a townread for activity and engagement

i can think of like 8 posters who are more active and engaged, and they probably aren't all town. go back to the reads store and buy a new one.

[Cephrir]

One bad reason after another for town-reading or avoiding heartless.

They tripped 3 alarm bells in their opening posts, if they are scum it should become clear pretty soon if you guys stop propping them up.

please regale us

[Cephrir]

Actually yeah Titus could be scum
Her whole 1v1 with Cane and Able was bad and her Heartless townread is bizarre

-sc

it improved if you didn't stop paying attention.

[Cephrir]

This vote is placed for a twofold reason. The first is the constant on the percentages. Planning ahead and running the numbers pings me as scummy

The

numbers

are a

playful jab

at

Luna Fox

. You should

ignore

them.

[Cephrir]

This vote is placed for a twofold reason. The first is the constant on the percentages. Planning ahead and running the numbers pings me as scummy

The

numbers

are a

playful jab

at

Luna Fox

. You should

ignore

them.

Thanks, JokeExplainWarthog!

[Cephrir]

Except it's Nos who usually lurks his ass off

if he usually does it, why is it alignment indicative this time?

[Cephrir]

Something you should know about me: my reasons for my reads don't mean much, what matters are my reads. you played a game with me and saw my case on MonkeyMan in that StrangeCoug game so I expect you to relook at that if you have further doubts about my reasons.

i don't know if this is gonna work for me, but i do remember that you're a moonlogicker

Why does everyone keep saying this? I don't even know what specifically moon logic is O.O

~LQ

you think in ways that just don't make sense to me

[Cephrir]

We think we will go with a vote on rb for now.
VOTE: RB

This vote is placed for a twofold reason. The first is the constant on the percentages. Planning ahead and running the numbers pings me as scummy
The second is the general sheeping of opinions.

~Suz

p-edit, goodness gracious everyone is posting so fast.

This is terrible, percentages aren't AI

Not terrible. I have more meta on rb than everyone in this game combined.

rb doing the silly percentages is not what I know of his play as either alignment so pressuring that slot is what we are aiming for. I don't have a ton of meta on him within a game context, but I do know it is unlike him to do this.

~LQ

I direct you to JokeExplainWarthog's post 640.

[Cephrir]

You opened kinda throwing darts which makes it harder for me to feel good about you but you then picked up steam.

are we talking about the same person

[mastin2]

i had forgotten how fucking amazing mastin votecounts are

<<< <3 >>>

[Cephrir]

VCA

oh good i need to add to my wall of self-quotes about vca being shit

[Cephrir]

VCA

oh good i need to add to my wall of self-quotes about vca being shit

Titus is actually very good with VCA - if she's Town.

As Scum, her analysis is a load of wank.

if and when this comes up again, please don't waste your words trying to convince me that it's anything but hokey garbage that's right exactly as often as random chance

[Cephrir]

might be liking mathblade

good night

[Cephrir]

Explain to me how Expedience is town. Because I do not see how me posting my catchup reads upon replace in confirms Expedience as town.

Expedience is town because you're centering the game around him being scum. That person you center on (Infinity in gunslingers for instance) is almost always town.

Just a little comment now while I'm calm, to potentially avoid an explosion later. RL is RL, I expect people to be generally truthful about it, and I expect people to respect it. My RL statement are always true. End PSA.

I am aware.
But i've seen some ppl being scumread for (Insert post here) and then going "Sorry but i posted that at (Insert time here)". And is weirding me out.

Everyone is doing it because there are a lot of scum in this game. "Ya omg my post was scummy but here's an excuse" is garbage tier scum posting.

I don't actually think Cain and Abel are scum, I was just taunting them because colored text...

Oh right, but you do supposedly think Cain and Abel are scum. I might actually read that conversation now.

I really find it unfeasible that you're suggesting I'm being wagoned just because I attacked Cain and Abel. Like, that's clearly not the cause, the cause was Nahdia's post. It looks like fake confbias because it just makes so little sense.

At least you're fucking reasonable and coherent, unlike half this damn game.

Ok Heartless I think I'm going to have to address you separately. Not least of all because one of you called me a shitlord and well don't expect me to just be ok with that after I did nothing to warrant it. Atm I assume it was TTH.

Anti at what point did you think the conversation should have ended. Which Molla post?

I'm still awaiting a proper reply to my gripes with TTH's tonal read.

It's bizarre to me that you're still so focused on this really unimportant thing you can't comment on anything else.

This is true but trying to control the game-flow is and in my admittedly limited catch-up he gave me that impression when scoffing at reads, he is being destructive possibly cause that's not where he wants the game to go whereas when he is argumentative as town he wants to guide you to what he thinks is right.

a) You think I have a big enough ego to believe I can control the flow of a 28 player shitfest like this?
b) I shoot down bad arguments wherever I see them, even if I agree with their conclusions. If I don't, it's because someone else did or the argument was too boring and I didn't pay enough attention to catch how stupid it was.

Cephrir has similar reads to mine, but it's bugging me. I don't like 580 because even though I disagree with Exped, it's not just the fact he disagrees that make him feel scummy. Ceph is making less effort to understand Exped's POV than he is focussing on the fact that he apparently thinks Exped is just wrong. Town are wrong all the time. Scumreading people because you think they're wrong is dumb.

If Expe reads that post, his first thought probably should be "I should explain myself better," which is what I was hoping for.

Following on from that, Ceph pointed that out in 623 - I'm wary of Ceph sheeping me here for the same sentiments I expressed about his post 580. He likes me just because we seem to agree - that's not a good reason to townread someone imo.

Okay,

no

. There is no townread of you in this post. I was pointing out to someone how to read your posts. In no way is that a townread. And in no way have I been sheeping you or even paying attention to the fact that we apparently have similar reads. I'm going to assume the rest of your analysis is just as worthless as this.

i'll leave the vote here
VOTE: wayward thinker

the entrance was really wishy-washy around the Post 30 region and most of the stuff around there is safe and setup specy. suzune leaning on rb for the whole "percentages" thing which i never read as SUPER SRS anyway is also meh and nothing awesome's come out of that slot so ... plop

It almost feels like there's a language barrier or something going on here because LQ reads posts like someone from another planet. That said, I was able to townread him once before for emotional reasons and I am not getting that yet here. I think it's possible to get glimpses of emotion by scraping it from the nonsense posts and whatever it is that worked for me last time is not showing up. (Someone made a point about him feeling victimized by rb for no reason that I liked.) So I don't object to this wagon.

Cephrir, you quoted someone's list of reads(they had 3 town, and 1 scum) and you said you agreed with three of those reads, but did not specify which three. One of those town reads was on Expedience, and you later expressed positivity towards Nahdia's post attacking Expedience.

Anyways, just curious which three reads you agreed with from that post, and why you didn't specify it at the time...also curious about the nature of your enjoyment of that post by Nahdia. Did you agree with the Expedience read there? Or was there something else about it that you enjoyed?

Ugh, I'll go get it after this post.

I enjoyed reading it in the sense that I was entertained and it also caused me to townread Storm. Something something tone something.

The Expe stuff didn't seem invalid but it's not really what I was referring to.

At this rate, I don't think I'll have enough trivia.

Re-runs are always welcome

So you guys decided to beat the record of the # of posts in pregame? The funny thing is Dunn isn't even in this game!

Catching up is taking quite sometime even though I have obviously mostly skimmed up to this point. Only getting the gist of it all.

What I did notice thus far is:

1- Expedience is disliked by many for some reason that I have yet to research.
2- Cane + Able are being a nag.
3- BBMolla made some weird claim that I'm not buying.
4- Luna is probably on my side (not completely sure though)
5- Titus is probably town too.
6- I had foreseen trouble coming my way from the Stormblade trio before the pre-game phase, but I get the feeling we could be friends (I'd rather have confirmation on this from ABR though, bc I'm having trouble trusting Nahdia)
7- Other people I won't trust until I see evidence they're "on the good side" include dram (you fooled me once) & SirCakez (we should always start by assuming we're on opposing factions until proven otherwise )
8- Surprisingly enough I do NOT have a clear read on the FA+FB slot (Come on guys! Couldn't you have picked a longer username so that one enjoys typing an essay whenever addressing you??)
9- Finally, KC claims to be able to read me, so I'll let her decide on whether we should be friends of foes here.

Cool! I'm all caught up as of NOW. I -of course- expect to be some 30 pages behind when I check in next time!

Reads (roughly so):

1.Heartless - - - - - (I'll need to reread their ISO)
2.KuroiXHF - - - - - (I'll be damned if I could recall he was playing here w/o checking the player list)
3.Klingoncelt - - - - (um??)
4.Titus - - - - - - - - (leaning town, but I don't remember why!)
5.dramonic - - - - - (Call me paranoid, but I'll keep him at null)
6.Salt Squad - - - - (beeboy is townish)
7.Almost50 - - - - - (I think he needs to go get some sleep)
8.Nosferatu - - - - - (He posted a few times, but nothing stuck into my memory)
9.Mathblade - - - - (The only think I learnt is they're Titus sibling!)
10.Wayward Thinker (I'm "trying" to give them the benefit of doubt, telling myself scum could be pushing the slot for hinting they can investigate location. Still, I'm not comfortable with LQ's play thus far and I have my doubts. Null for now)
11.Stormblade - - - (Ah yes. The fantastic 3. Nahdia's giving me town vibes, and I hope I'm right this time)
12.davesaz - - - - - (some of the good and some of the bad. He does have content but I'm undecided on his alignment)
13.copper223 - - - - (The name doesn't ring a bell. I know I've seen a post or two from him but...)
14.Cane + Able - - - (This slot is up to something. Whether it's good or not is yet to be decided. I'm watching you two.)
15.Tim - - - - - - - - (Insert some comment please)
16.No Retreat - - - - (One thing is for sure. The avatar is MUCH better than the annoying one Nero has on his own account.)
17.A Song of Ice and Fire (Frozen is starting to town up, but I also need Fire to talk more so I can read the slot with more confidence.)
18.RAM - - - - - - - - (So far Cerb has not been as active as I've seen him be in SS)
19.Lady Lambdadelta - (OmegaPiOmikron.. what's up?)
20.rb - - - - - - - - - (I want to say a town lean but something inside me says not to be hasty).
21.Cephrir - - - - - - (Is that Dutch?)
22.Luna Fox - - - - - (I could've put her at the top of my town reads had it not been for that claim. Still feeling more comfortable considering her friendly).
23.Expedience - - - - (I'm trying not scum read you bc everybody else seems to, but you're reads and votes are making it a bit difficult for me to town read you at any level at all.)
24.BBMolla - - - - - - (Honestly I wasn't buying your pre-game claim until Luna claimed, so maybe that's the one positive side of her claim.)
25.TheWayItEnds - - (This one's going to have to wait)
26.Skybird - - - - - - (Peregrine? Is that you?)
27.Toogeloo - - - - - (I remember the name, but I didn't see the face.)
28.Franky - - - - - - (Or maybe THIS is Peregrine??)

Disclaimer: All reads subject to change upon a reread or new content. the two I'm most comfortable with are the two non-human claims, bc the claims support eachother (and somewhat make sense to me)

[Cephrir]

having some second thoughts on expe, overall. we'll see how i feel when i finish catching up

[Cephrir]

@RAM: No, I was townreading Expe at that time, the read I disagreed with in that post was dave

[Cephrir]

i guess i could have been clearer about that but i assumed people would read my mind & also that wasn't really the point I was making, it was a side observation

[Cephrir]

Like, Expedience's reactions to being scumread have been legit garbage. Shall I collect them again for you all?

some of them have.

others have been... non-survivalistic, I guess. Like they don't do anything to keep him alive.

I think that's what's giving me pause.

[Cephrir]

aaaaand having his scumposts paraded before me again in 987 is making that pause go away.

i should shut up about it until i finish.

[Cephrir]

rb is not aligned in the same faction nahdia is; if their scum.

these stuff will be helpful later keep noting them.

~Ice

you can't just say things like this and expect anyone to put any stock in it unless you explain.

please do so.

Why are you voting WT over Expedience TTH? What makes them more scummy?

why does everyone think every post is tth? that one isn't.

[Cephrir]

if this gladiate is real (unlikely) and anyone votes storm i will ram their vote down their throats.

[Cephrir]

welcome to mafiascum dot net where the only thing we like more than talking is hearing ourselves talk

[Cephrir]

maybe they have lives

[Cephrir]

rb did you have any response to my recent issues with you

[Cephrir]

it's in the middle of 1032

[Cephrir]

Oh that? All you said was basically, "you're wrong". Was there a question or something worth responding to that I missed?

lolk.

[Cephrir]

Right here you're giving MathBlade a contrary opinion after he gives me a light scumread. He's saying, "scumread for lack of content" and you're saying, "actually there IS content."
The implied point here being that you're not scumreading me - and since you didn't specify that it was actually a null-read, the impression I got is that it was a town-read.

I was pointing out that her premise was incorrect

So if I was wrong and you're not townreading me, I want to know if English is your first language because I feel like there's a language barrier here. And no that's not meant as an insult. If English is actually is your first language then please be more clear because I don't see it at all weird that I'd interpret your post as a townread.

Yes it is you're ridiculous.

Also if I'm null-read why are you bothering to defend me? Wouldn't you wait to see how I actually respond first? You're telling me you weren't sheeping and your response in 1032 made me think I was just wrong because of the way you dismissed it, but now I'm back to thinking you're potentially sheeping me.

I shoot down shitty arguments because they're shitty. It upsets me when people say and do things I percieve as dumb or wrong.

Why the fuck would I "sheep" someone I don't even particularly think is a good player. Do you know what sheep means? Literally where are you getting this. It's unabashedly fucking clear I have my own opinions in this game and if I could POSSIBLY said to be sheeping anyone right now it's clearly Storm

[Cephrir]

Post 966 was also heinous

i don't understand why he even made this post, was there supposed to be a point

[Cephrir]

snip

ceph, ur reaction image is broken for me. i have to know what it was now.

wafflehouse.jpg

[Cephrir]

i considered some sort of puking emoji but that's kinda overdone right?

[Cephrir]

so funny

[Cephrir]

the chance is higher than 69%

[Cephrir]

salt and others who are still strongly pushing other things

do you think almost50 is scum

[Cephrir]

do you think almost50 is scum

my gut said his reads list was town, but i kinda only read what he was thinking of me.

read the rest of it and you should see the problem

[Cephrir]

Okay now you guys are just being dumb. There's no way Luna is scum <_<

I find myself agreeing wit everything you're saying lately minus Dave scum...

so what is that like three other opinions

hooray

does anyone other than expe even not read luna as town right now, i really dont think they do

[Cephrir]

im not rly sure what that means but ok

pedit: @titus

[Cephrir]

im not reading these Handwritten Notes(tm)

[Cephrir]

im not reading these Handwritten Notes(tm)

Someone added handwritten notes? Are they insane?

they weren't really handwritten but they had that feel and i guess i just wanted to go for the callback

[Cephrir]

im not reading these Handwritten Notes(tm)

If that's to me, it's spoilered on purpose.
If it's not to me, then who is it to?

both you and nos

[Cephrir]

yeah ok

VOTE: Almost50

[Cephrir]

This is complete bullshit, we have played 3 games and you somehow only managed to remember the one from like a year ago, and claimed that it was the only game. You're clearly pretending to misremember.

You probably forgot that I knew who your main was, and thought you could get away with lying. You are deliberately faking your understanding of my meta and that basically confirms you as scum. Like, it's an explicit thing.

this is not a thing people ever do

[Cephrir]

This is mainly so that I express my paranoia of certain town reads I have before it comes up later and I flail around a bunch about how they are freaking the beejesus out of me.

This is overexplanatory and describing your own thought process unprompted is a scumtell.

The fuck?

Clarity is NEVER a bad thing.

Unless you're scum.

i believe expe is seizing on the idea of "nervous talking"

i dont think it applies here though, and i also think its waaaaay less of a thing in forum mafia than irl

[Cephrir]

yeah ok

VOTE: Almost50

UNVOTE:
VOTE: Almost50

I'm not going to say these votes are a bad thing.
Saying a little more about why you're voting would improve our chances of reading you.

i already indicated my dislike of his awful non-content stack of waffles

i think it came from scum

[Cephrir]

some flips will probably help with this issue and i don't think talking about it is productive atm

[Cephrir]

Right, my mistake. Would it be jumping to conclusions to say you delayed the vote to see if Almost did anything?

not exactly. i still wanted to vote expedience at that time, but i feel less strongly about him now

[Cephrir]

rekt

[Cephrir]

i am now very much in favor of turning a50 into a charred corpse, i'll see what the bird thinks of it

thats all for me now. catch you losers later.

All this bc you're anti-humans and you can't touch me at night? That's the easiest ans fastest scum claim I have ever seen on this sight.

VOTE: Heartless

Scum claimed already, but for those who missed it:

I openly asked Humans not to visit/target me at night. I said non-human could "try" though. Humans naturally would appreciate the warning (even if they get suspicious about it), and non-human aligned with humans will want to wait to see what happens with it.

Now only anti-humans would start to worry bc -to them- I explicitly announced myself as and enemy figure that they're not going to kill at night, so they have to start finding some reason to make a push on me that -even if it doesn't work on D1- would still be there for them to build on later on.

Now I need someone who understands my talk and logic to rephrase it to the public, if they please, so that everybody will know why I'm heavily scum reading Heartless already.

Michelleobama.jpeg

[Cephrir]

but there are better d1 lynches in Kuroi or Dave or Exp and maaaaaybe Cephir.

Cephrir I could do but I feel awkward because he's maybe drawn town once when we've played together, and my scumread is there due to his awkward distancing from Cane and preflip is bad.

Kuroi would be a policy compromise.

awkward distancing here meaning i would be fine with lynching them? ok

not to even go near the shitty unflipped associatives. jfc

[Cephrir]

i need more gumball reactions in my life

[Cephrir]

not much to do with WT's actual commentary but i hadn't noticed that kuroi was basically just shitposting so thanks for causing me to notice that

[mastin2]

I am a Human.

ssssssstttttaaaaahhhhppppp

<<< Fixed tag? >>>

[Cephrir]

Now I can see why Wayward isn't doing well at this game - he's not a great player.

[gumball reaction]

[Cephrir]

wait no i can do one better

[Cephrir]

wait no i can do one better

When you seriously ask stupid questions like, "Why would you vote then leave?" - Responding to when I RVS'd before I went to bed.

Maybe he's a good player - but if so, he sure as hell isn't showing it in that post.

a) i don't like your statement that anyone scumreading you is bad without any accompaniment as to why
b) regarding this specific point: i) okay but you could just say "i went to bed" instead of getting hostile and ii) i still don't know why you voted copper i guess you're saying it's RVS?? with the long pregame phase that's very much not obvious

[Cephrir]

OK.. for those of you who didn't like my earlier read list, here's an updated one for you all to enjoy:

DISCLAIMER: The following read list is ONLY intended for those who are scum reading me for the previous one. If you're not one of those you need not bother.

ENJOY!

Spoiler:

1.Heartless - - - - - SCUM: They're going after town players.
2.KuroiXHF - - - - - Town Lean: He's legit looking for non-Humans.
3.Klingoncelt - - - - Null: Not enough to judge by.
4.Titus - - - - - - - - Town Lean: I feel like she's genuinely scum hunting and not being opportunistic.
5.dramonic - - - - - Null-Town: Good vibes thus far and good logic too, but I can't get over my own paranoia of him.
6.Salt Squad - - - - Null: Yes, I know. I retract the slight town read on beeboy, never successfully read SC, and Heat is still not opening up.
7.Almost50 - - - - - Town: I believe he should chill, but he is currently at 240/160 blood pressure of higher.
8.Nosferatu - - - - - Town Lean: (Why not? It's not like I'm going to refer to THIS read list in the future anyway!)
9.Mathblade - - - - Scum: (You know, if Titus is good then her sibling must be evil! It's called siblings rivalry)
10.Wayward Thinker Null-Town: (Popular demand has it that I must have a read here so there's one.)
11.Stormblade - - - Scum Lean: I don't trust Nahdia after what she did to me/us in Bloodborne. (I had to invent a reason, even if it had nothing to do with anything on the whole planet.)
12.davesaz - - - - - Town Lean: (At least he's posting and look slike he's doing the effort others can't afford to.)
13.copper223 - - - - Scum: (Heartless linked with him on 1096)
14.Cane + Able - - - Town Lean: (Their posts make better sense than many others.)
15.Tim - - - - - - - - Scum Lean: (Sorry mate. I needed some more scum reads please the people.)
16.No Retreat - - - - Undecided: (Nero always tunnels me. I have 2 finished games with him when he was town twice and I was town once and 3p aligned with town once. Either he finally realized my play style just isn't ideal (which makes him town) or he is actually up to no good (in which case he is scum))
17.A Song of Ice and Fire-Town: (I don't feel like explaining my read on this slot. I just feel like I can read each of them separately to a higher precision than the average rate of success. MY average that is.)
18.RAM - - - - - - - - Town Lean: (Why not? People are not liking me having a null read on many slots, so why not suck up on this one?)
19.Lady Lambdadelta - Scum Lean: (Not making a solid presence, besides I need to impress people with some scum reads that are not founded at all just to appease them.)
20.rb - - - - - - - - - Town Lean: (Gut feeling.)
21.Cephrir - - - - - - SCUM: (Actually 2nd top scum read after Heartless.)
22.Luna Fox - - - - - Scum Lean: (Too volatile and undecided on her thought process. Likely to bend for the wing to pass her by.)
23.Expedience - - - - Town Lean: (Like dram said; he can't be faking all those bad reads.)
24.BBMolla - - - - - - Scum Lean: (How can he be town when he shares scum!Luna's win-con?)
25.TheWayItEnds - - Town Lean: (I already listed enough scum reads on other so this slot can be town on PoE.)
26.Skybird - - - - - - Null: (Nothing yet to read from this slot.)
27.Toogeloo - - - - - Scum Lean: (Hearsay! Someone said something about you being the same as Luna/BB and although I didn't notice it myself I'm just tying you up to them to get a complete picture and get people to clap their hands congratulating me on a wonderfully composed read list.)
28.Franky - - - - - - Null (But I'm willing to consider if so you wish. I aim to please.)

So THERE! A complete read list that's not worth the time for you to read, not to mention that time it took me to compose. The funny thing is it took me even longer to put this shit together because I actually had to use my imagination, not speak up my mind.

P.S. If you have no business reading this but still did, please IGNORE this. Thank you.

and here i was, honestly considering if your ATE might be legitimate

how silly of me

i would engage you with questions like "if you had reads why did you give us a pile of shit for a readlist and where did you conjure these from" and "have you seriously never ever seen a town aligned player be incorrect before" but i suspect that anything of the sort would get a garbled nonsense answer

[Cephrir]

honestly luna read the rest of it

it's funny

[Cephrir]

a) i don't like your statement that anyone scumreading you is bad without any accompaniment as to why

It's a good thing I didn't say that.

okay what's so scummy about WT other than them scumreading you then smartass

[Cephrir]

despite the fact there are perfectly valid reasons to scumread WT i'm going to probably preemptively not believe you because of the timing of your scumread materializing

i have too many scumreads, except maybe i don't there are probably a million scum in this game

[Cephrir]

that's mr. hominem to you

or it would be if smartass was really an insult

[Cephrir]

i think titus isn't scum but i'm always wrong when i think that

what do i do now

[Cephrir]

Please pay attention to yourself. You're really making me dislike The Lion King. It's my favorite Disney film.

i shouldn't be. i'm just starting to really enjoy myself.

@SaltSquad, overused meme is overused.

[Cephrir]

Their questioning and atrocious display thus far

'splain pls

[Cephrir]

i would engage you with questions like "if you had reads why did you give us a pile of shit for a readlist and where did you conjure these from" and "have you seriously never ever seen a town aligned player be incorrect before" but i suspect that anything of the sort would get a garbled nonsense answer

And I wouldn't have dignified such line of questioning with a response, tbh. It is apparent you either didn't read the whole thing, you are being obtuse, or you're deliberately playing dumb. Now I wish I was in a hydra with KTS and let them respond!

i didn't read the whole thing, just enough to realize how godawful it was, but i highly doubt thats relevant

[Cephrir]

Maybe I was wrong about Titus idk.

This needs to be lynched. Now. Catching up in progress starting from end working back.

If you struggle with a read share thoughts do something...just "idk" is at best filler and at worst scum trying to look authentic versus be authentic.

I'm doubting my previous scumread on Titus because of her recent posts, and I would think that was obvious if you made even the most cursory attempt to understand what I was trying to say.

You seriously opened the thread, saw a post saying "idk", and then immediately became certain that this person needed to be lynched?

Yes because either you know and are faking it or you are scum and you should be saying something like "I think my Titus scumread is no longer accurate" the latter is just waffle central. This isn't Waffle House.

"you're scum or you're scum" ???

I have been scumreading you for your association with Titus and Song as well. I see nothing so far in my catchup that stops that theory and the fact you are switching off of her when they never answered my question about finding a specific post why you are town is telling.

you seem pretty confbiased

might wanna take a step back

Titus is just scum

I agree with this thought. But you need reasons.

FoS BBMolla

._.

I don't get the townreads on Titus.

If this was town!Titus, she's be vote parked on me, yelling and screaming at people to vote me and refuse to compromise.

But then, I also think she'd have responded to my reach out, which she promptly ignored.

She's scum hunting? Of course she is. It's quite probably multiball

Doesn't change the fact she's scum.

Why does nobody else see that?

I can't see Town!Titus compromising once she has her sights set on scum. CERTAINLY not this far from deadline, at any rate.

Where is town!tunnel!Titus?

I guess

I don't know

Ok so ABR is nonhuman so he can't be cutled and is using the cults as an excuse to not scum hunt.
Never unvoting this slot. ABR used equally stupid stuff to not scum hunt in cyberpunk.

~Bee

[Cephrir]

yeah i mean its not like theres a shortage of things to engage me about

i feel like the invisible man/warthog over here

pedit: omg posts this was a response to 1718

[Cephrir]

Why would I step back? No one has provided a reason there isn't a link. No one has provided a good reason to town read Expedience. Oh pretty please don't pressure the people you think are scum has less weight than damn tissue paper.

not sure what ._. is

It just doesn't seem like you're even considering other angles.

For me, Expedience has been a major mixed bag. For every godawful nothing post there's a post with town-sounding genuineness and logic that while maybe not the most sound i can buy as actually coming from a real place.

consider it an expression of surprise & concern

[Cephrir]

also i really think you should refrain from trying to call the/a team. No one is good enough to do this.

[Cephrir]

yeah i mean its not like theres a shortage of things to engage me about

i feel like the invisible man/warthog over here

pedit: omg posts this was a response to 1718

You should vote Kuroi if town or defend him.

Hey engagement.

i've been thinking about voting him actually

i'm certainly not going to defend him

[Cephrir]

i know ive said this several times already, but the flying monkeys issue really doesn't seem protown to discuss

a) if someone has scumclaimed, a few flips will make that clear
b) we're giving more and more cult targets every time we do it. tim was overreacting early on but it's becoming a serious issue now
c) the scum probably know more about it than we do so we're just going to kill ourselves over it

[Cephrir]

Join me on Kuroi. Creating dueling wagons is good and a win win for both of us. With a plurality lynch, we an force people to decide between the two and create a paper trail.

I just want abr posting

is that so much to ask?

~Ice

If he doesn't post on Day 2, he doesn't live to see Day 3. I like the ABR vacation for a bit, and it's not completely in left field given what I learned from him in Cyberpunk. Could he be scum dodging? Of course. But if he thinks he's getting away with that for long, he's got another thing coming.

i dont know why everyone has such high expectations of ABR

clearly others have seen play from him that i havent but ive played with him 3? times in the last couple years and i believe he's been lurky mislynchbait all three times

[Cephrir]

@rb mathblade is a they

[Cephrir]

Anyway, please dont ask me more about race and wincon information, you can probably find all the answers by reading my ISO, i'd be happily engage on reads and everything else however.
For instance, im curious as to those that saw my post why arent you voting Storm.

i'm conflicted and acknowledge the possibility that ABR is just not paying attention but it's damaging my townread on them

[Cephrir]

Oh forgot part of the question

Math is not engaging

Kuroi
Cane and Able
Cephrir
Heartless
Dram
Almost50
Luna

That's off the top of my head

she's been engaging me a little like just now.

[Cephrir]

Actually wait, cant we ascertain that both posts were made by the same hydra head? it doesnt look like it to me.

probably not though the first post does say "we" like they talked about it

[Cephrir]

I already have. We've discussed this already. Why can't you remember any of this?

maybe we did

i have the memory of a goldfish

[Cephrir]

townreading WT for not voting his counterwagon 48 hours into a game is pretty level one

[Cephrir]

no it's level two but still

[Cephrir]

townreading WT for not voting his counterwagon 48 hours into a game is pretty level one

Nobody is saying that you missed the context.

probably

[Cephrir]

you said cuase he is not voting you he is very likely town

what missing context?

~Ice

The context is that rb was asserting the opposite. I'm not townreading him because he isn't voting me.

see the problem is its A or its not A. its not a fuzzy sentence that you can accept in one way and deflect in another.

you beleive if he didn't vote you that makes him likly town or not? cuase it was the thing you called rb wrong for and your denying now.

~Ice

I think you're mistaken here. It seems to me (and I don't recall whether this reflects reality) that expedience is saying "rb said WT was scum for not voting expedience and I argued against that" and expedience's townread on WT is not related to that.

i might be wrong though

[Cephrir]

i dont think his townread is related to whether or not wt voted him

[Cephrir]

whatever i dont even care about this

[Cephrir]

ok ive decided expe is town and read the storm post again-again and i still think hes town

i did it guys are you proud of me

the emotion and occasional self awareness/saying things that prima facia should be scummy just works for me

[Cephrir]

cerb use paragraph breaks holy fuck

[Cephrir]

I'm trying to see if plurality lynch might be a factor here.

Honestly, if things come to that on Day 1 I'm replacing out of this game.

The thought of 22 days of this is nausea inducing.

Let's lynch Kuroi.

VOTE: Kuroi

[Cephrir]

these are?

i think certain players' complaints about them are valid

i dont remember what but ive agreed with others' issues before i think

one of them was that "we" post actually that luna?? brought up

[Cephrir]

So Titus...

Where was your objection to:

UNVOTE: KurioXHF

???

I find it hard to buy that you would just let a naked unvote on your pet scumread pass by without comment as town, and you were posting both before and after the unvote.

I've been waiting to see if you'd ever get around to addressing it, but I think it's been plenty long enough.

these are the words of someone desperately looking for a reason to attack titus

[Cephrir]

So Titus...

Where was your objection to:

UNVOTE: KurioXHF

???

I find it hard to buy that you would just let a naked unvote on your pet scumread pass by without comment as town, and you were posting both before and after the unvote.

I've been waiting to see if you'd ever get around to addressing it, but I think it's been plenty long enough.

these are the words of someone desperately looking for a reason to attack titus

Not really. I could (and have!) throw shade on every other post Titus makes in tunnel mode.

A couple posts out of all her content is pretty fucking tame from me.

I'm not seeing the town!Titus I know that drives me totally bonkers, and it's setting off my scumdar.

i'm concerned with the content of your attack not the volume of attacking being done

[Cephrir]

well, everyone else is already here, why the fuck not.

pedit: no

pedit 2: well i disagree with nearly all of her reads so dw

[Cephrir]

Dram was skipping. Dgb says you're unreadable.

Let's say you'll never ever be convinced on Expedience. Saying it so loud so early says Math will never work with me, why would I work with her? The tunnels are also a good place to hide if you're scum as you naturally avoid anything inconsistent with that opinion. Given the yellow foxes and purple flying monkeys, no one knows the strategic setup.

I am not telling you to lie and pretend you think Expedience is town and I am not scum. What you cannot do is pick a read and center your whole universe on it being right. You have to be open to others. Right now, no one thinks you are open to others at all. It's why I have given no effort to our dialogue.

People are never going to be receptive if you are not. Constant insistence on one lynch in 28 players doesn't work. You need to sort Kuroi and Cane and these other events.

Or I am ignoring you.

P.s. Dgb and dram are both obvtown. There's a few reads I would fight DGB on, but we largely agree. I'm frustrated she's not voting Kuroi, but I have faith she will or Kuroi will obvtown.

Working with others is key.

If you're going to talk about working together with others, don't post seemingly unshakeable reads like two posts later. Especially considering DBG has done nothing but post "X is town" "Y is town" and I can't remember anything dram has posted outside of the page I happened to be reading just now.

[Cephrir]

Expedience is town.
The reason is that his mindset is that of town.
Now evaluate that argument or whatever it is you wanna do.

Why would town do two naked votes?

What specifically makes you say their mindset is town?

naked votes aren't actually that scummy, that's just something people like to say

[Cephrir]

My DGB read is shakable if circumstances show it to be. DGB posts naked read walls like that. Would I like more detailed thoughts? Of course. Yet, we agree on 75% - 85% (ish) of our reads, minus the lynch candidates. She's doing what I did when I hated all the wagons. She matches her town meta. It's not my preferred style but DGB is usually better with fewer words.

She's obvtown to me not conftown.

I guess I just don't think you should offer that up so easily.

Also in light of LLD's posts I have realized I am being a problem not a solution.

[Cephrir]

we need a lynch and we all need to never sign up for another 28 player game. what were we thinking?

[Cephrir]

to be fair, i didn't sign up for this game, captain morgan did

[Cephrir]

yeah so im just gonna keep voting the biggest non-horrendous wagon until this day is over, have fun kids.

[Cephrir]

i encourage the rest of you to join me in ceasing to inflate your post counts, and become part of the solution.

is what you're posting really, truly that important? just ask yourself that for a second, and realize it's probably not.

[Cephrir]

@Cephier what do you think of my Celt case?

ugh, fine, ill respond to a direct question

i think out of your five points (counting the v/la issue in the prior post) maybe one and a half are valid concerns (3 and 5)

-when you say things like "someone else did this as scum once" im not gonna follow your logic there.
-i don't think people lie about v/la

[Cephrir]

i don't feel the need to rank-order all of my other preferences, for now i'm just going to say this.

heartless
mathblade
song
luna
expe
molla
to a lesser extent LLD, titus and tim

barring something im not thinking of right now, i'll lynch anyone who's not on this list. so STOP TALKING SO MUCH and MAKE IT HAPPEN

[Cephrir]

i cant resist the urge to talk a little but i'm going to keep it REALLY short so im not clogging the thread.

2374 and 2387 are good posts from RAM. Haven't felt much regarding them until this moment.

I probably won't engage you on them very carefully because I'm trying to cut back on words, but Expe, I would like to know more about your scumreads.

Copper - tbh he's barely registering on my filters and he seems like an

even easier

lynch than kuroi at this point, again opportunistic

This is pretty not true. How can it be an easier lynch if you don't even know what it's for.

copper sucks shit on these pages.

[Cephrir]

copper are you high or what

@titus: maybe. i'd like to wait a moment. kuroi is still the biggest wagon and i did mean that up to a point.

[Cephrir]

Ceph I do not believe you can genuinely scumread me here so either you yourself are in the middle of an opium plantation or you are scum.

Why. What are you supposedly doing that I am supposed to think is so town.

[Cephrir]

Ceph I do not believe you can genuinely scumread me here so either you yourself are in the middle of an opium plantation or you are scum.

Why. What are you supposedly doing that I am supposed to think is so town.

literally the only thing i can come up with is that in our games together the times you've been town have been the times i thought you were making no fucking sense at all.

[Cephrir]

@ceph
Yeah too bad I was a significant help in one (where you played better) by helping town nail scum D1 and I outright won the other by lynching gatokaka as a tree stump at lylo, you forho to use your ability...

I win as scum by reaching lylo and beating town, this claim just put a clock on my head and I would never consider it.

a) You think I pay a lot more attention to you specifically than I actually do. Literally everyone does this, though.
b) This wagon on you looks pretty scary though, does it not? You'd have to try something.
c) How does it put a clock on your head?

[Cephrir]

Yeah, but the thing is that copper has been very pro-town in my PT, so this kinda makes it hard for me to believe he's actually scum ^^;;

That does explain why he's been less involved.

[Cephrir]

I am sure you can find the answer to that alone.

I cannot.

[Cephrir]

If you're going to keep calling me scum for ever suspecting you while I'm trying to interact and work on my read then that just makes me feel like you want me to stop interacting with you because you're scum.

[Cephrir]

Because nobody would believe my claim and thus my alignment if I reached lylo now... also I think I have never reached d3(?) as town anyway other than when I was unkillable.

what are you talking about? i legitimately dont understand what you're saying here. why would no one believe you're a neighbor in lylo

[Cephrir]

If you're going to keep calling me scum for ever suspecting you while I'm trying to interact and work on my read then that just makes me feel like you want me to stop interacting with you because you're scum.

In case you don't remember since you claim lack of attention, read back the end of D1 of TTH's first large as mod.

I am not calling you scum all the time, instead I am taking said time to phone post the obvious back to you.

i'm not even sure why but i actually went into tth's topics, discovered gumball was the game you were talking about and got to the end of day 1 before i realized there was no point in looking at it because i have no idea what you're sending me to look for

you may need to assume i'm stupid

[Cephrir]

If you're going to keep calling me scum for ever suspecting you while I'm trying to interact and work on my read then that just makes me feel like you want me to stop interacting with you because you're scum.

In case you don't remember since you claim lack of attention, read back the end of D1 of TTH's first large as mod.

I am not calling you scum all the time, instead I am taking said time to phone post the obvious back to you.

i'm not even sure why but i actually went into tth's topics, discovered gumball was the game you were talking about and got to the end of day 1 before i realized there was no point in looking at it because i have no idea what you're sending me to look for

you may need to assume i'm stupid

ok i might have a slight inkling of what youre referring to i guess but i don't know if i really understand how it pertains to our interaction up to this point

[Cephrir]

ooooook i may understand im really thick

if youre saying what i think youre saying and youre town theres something funky going on with this setup. but we knew that already.

[Cephrir]

i guess it seems like youre acting like you already did something that as far as i can tell you havent actually done, so i guess it must have something to do with the neighborhood

this interaction is making me feel incredibly dumb

[Cephrir]

i'm not gonna go read a whole game but i am gonna leave my vote on kuroi even though im not 100% sure what just happened.

[Cephrir]

Shakira's "Try everything"

^god tier town here

[Cephrir]

Cursory reads from the last 10 pages or so tell me Cephrir and Dramonic and Salt Squad and prooooooooooooooobably RB are town.

that last one is a little less certain, but those first 3 are like, solid gold.

So, Cephrir, Dramonic, Salt Squad: Give me a list of 2 people each you want me to look at in great detail and I'll fucking see if I can't motivate to find a scumfuck to lynch!

Wakes slot
Nosferatu

[Cephrir]

Cursory reads from the last 10 pages or so tell me Cephrir and Dramonic and Salt Squad and prooooooooooooooobably RB are town.

that last one is a little less certain, but those first 3 are like, solid gold.

So, Cephrir, Dramonic, Salt Squad: Give me a list of 2 people each you want me to look at in great detail and I'll fucking see if I can't motivate to find a scumfuck to lynch!

Kuroi and Wayward are both scum.

I was making the above list excluding these two. They're also scum.

[Cephrir]

Cephrir feels town but I never recall him as town and my gut feels off on saying he is town. He probably is, but I cannot.

Did you mean read, not recall? If recall was the right word then I'm mildly confused.

untouchable regardless of scuminess due to risk but not human
Luna, copper, storm blade

I still don't quite understand this >_< but you're far from the only one saying it

[Cephrir]

Cephrir feels town but I never recall him as town and my gut feels off on saying he is town. He probably is, but I cannot.

Did you mean read, not recall? If recall was the right word then I'm mildly confused.

untouchable regardless of scuminess due to risk but not human
Luna, copper, storm blade

I still don't quite understand this >_< but you're far from the only one saying it

I meant recall. I don't recall the last game we played together where you had a town pm.

oh thats fair

i feel like its happened but i couldnt tell you where. ill take a quick look.

[Cephrir]

it's happened 3 times, but none of them have had me playing as cephrir.

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=55&t=44578 (as half of Twisted Advice)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=46542 (Chandra)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=56&t=58358 (Chandra)

Chandra is a pretty bad baseline for my town game though

[Cephrir]

Tarot?

it was directed at Ceph

yeah but titus wasn't in that was she?

[Cephrir]

did you think i meant i hadn't played town as cephrir in ten years <_>

that would be impressive

[Cephrir]

TTH is still not posting

but

she is???

[Cephrir]

Lol ok Nero

[Cephrir]

@pages of KC pushing a 100% scumteam

I don't really think the 5 factions things in the op flavor really has anything to do with the factions in this game.

Your faction is your wincon. They are not public information.

^^ This is from Mastin's setup posts.

You sure about that?

yes I know that, not really seeing where you are getting 5 factions from that though.

Yet a fifth faction

there's this but I would think it would just be flavor

.....

*bangs head against wall*

Seriously? Do you think that the moderator would tell us that faction = win con and then have number of wincon a be flavor?

Like what you are saying is fifth faction =flavor, faction = wincon, using the substitution property one gets fifth wincon = flavor. Wincon is never flavor.

No retreat pretty much has to be town for this derp tell. Would be shocked if they were scum.

I'm not positive how many factions there are. I was assuming 5 but I don't think it really merits thought right now.

@whatever RAM is talking about

I need to figure out what youre talking about

@ WT being the biggest wagon now

VOTE: WT

[Cephrir]

@ram

ok i agree with you and think kling is scum anyways

[Cephrir]

I am actually scum, and the other leading wagons are too. Look over here, wouldn't you rather go for a nice tasty lurker lynch?

[Cephrir]

u mad?

[Cephrir]

funny, it sure seems like you were whining about getting votes over lurkers a second ago

[Cephrir]

let me guess you're going to try to attack me as often as you can in your "read" and build this into a vote and shitty case because your thought processes are sooooo independent and everyone will townread you and sunshine and rainbows and happiness

thats your plan right

[Cephrir]

hilarious

[Cephrir]

sometimes a scum is just a scum

[Cephrir]

ill let you know when i get in the business of calling entire teams

[Cephrir]

what is the VC look like atm?

sometimes a scum is just a scum

Excellent addition. Who are my scum buddies?

BTW, what's your paypal account? I kind of think it's rude to not pay someone for a psychic reading.

just sayin I actually count this post as a scum claim.

~Ice

my favorite part was the implying my read is sincere right after calling me scum.

[Cephrir]

Okay, I'm thinking this is town, even if I don't like this play.

yes, post 871 is such a beacon of town?????

[Cephrir]

And as I've said before, I am catching up. Cephrir is scum reading everyone he wants to, but he's not scum hunting.

cephir was my earliest prob town who I put in null when I saw he is not getting anywhere with his reads and is just testing the ground and he is still there.

thats not related to what I felt about how you appeased to him.

~Ice

I'm not really sure what this means.

If you're expecting me to be a loud player who pushes their reads really hard, your expectations are off the mark.

[Cephrir]

I meant like

What does "not getting anywhere with my reads" mean.

It sounds kinda like something I don't do

I'm not disagreeing that I could probably fake 99% of what I've done this game

[Cephrir]

I mean its not like your reads are there to sort people, seems just playing good and having good reads without fighting for having them , not sure If I'm implying what I meant good enough.

ok sure

sometimes i'm just more of a supporting character. but i don't expect you to know that.

[Cephrir]

You cannot seriously think a common two word phrase is a slam dunk read. Fucking come on. What a ridiculous gotcha.

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Kuroi.

Bye felicia.

[Cephrir]

Weren't you already voting him ceph?

I moved off and came back.

[Cephrir]

No, I think a complete sentence is definitely concrete proof. This game is based off human psychology and people most definitely act differently when they have two different motivations (town or scum.) If you're waiting for her to accidentally blurt out that she's scum, you're expecting too much.

If psychology states that she only does something when she's scum and she does something that's ONLY done while scum, then it's not a good sign for her.

I actually want this argument (as well as your doubt) to be preserved when she comes back as scum.

Preview Edit: My name is not Felicia. I told you to quit doing comedy.

Two examples doesn't make a fucking pattern.

Tell me more about how psychology works. Please. I'm sure you're much more educated on the subject than I am.

[Cephrir]

I'm not trying to prove you wrong. I'm just pointing out that your premise is fucking ridicuous and has no more to do with anyone's alignment than the color of the fucking sky or who the president of fucking Argentina is.

[Cephrir]

Yes. Yes I do.

[Cephrir]

My main reason for wanting to lynch Kuroi over fellow scum lords kc and wt is that he is the most intolerable of the bunch

They're all good lynched though

^me

Dang, that took me about 5 minutes to fuck up

[Cephrir]

that's my thought as well