Gistou (Over!)

[Wake1]

My first thought was okay, how about we just test his race copping at least, and have him go after someone and get confirmation, but....first of all, that would expose more information to scum for no reason, and second, given the recruit mechanic, I assume all factions capable of recruiting have a race cop, so if he is scum, he might very well be a race cop (or a doctor, actually, cause multi- ball), and if not he should be able to just have his teammate perform the cop for him while he reports the results.

-Cerb

Who claimed Race-Cop?

We were given the option between Nation and Location: we chose Nation.

[MathBlade]

Titus is very self aware of her meta, don't use meta to read her.

This is shit. Being aware and being able to change it are two different things.

I hate meta to read anyone but if you are a meta reader and are going to exclude meta you do so because you realize it doesn't work on that person.

FOS Titus +Copper.

[No Retreat]

I don't think there is anyway to tell whether his claim is fake or not. I think a day 1 no lynch is beyond stupid and I have a great desire to lynch Molla. His play has been pretty scummy though so...

Even if we decided to not lynch him we are just going to spend another 6769677656769096545657687980678654 pages and then out another claim/ fake claim that we can't tell the difference between.

[RAM]

Like the very fact that he has gained himself advocates off the claim means the pool of people willing to hammer him has become smaller, AND he can count on you to be around to defend him when he isn't here.

Seems like a pretty good way to survive D1 in spite of craptastic scumposting.

-Cerb

[Wake1]

Wake, it's ABSOLUTELY optimal for not getting lynched D1. It isn't optimal for late game survival, but I don't really know what claim would be both.

-Cerb

In a game this explosive it certainly isn't optimal for mid-game survival.

Considering we have a Cult I could also see them culting this supposed Doctor, so we would have to pay special attention to any changes in his path.

Bombastic, I know.

[RAM]

I'm a doctor from the North. Human for what it's worth.

I have no idea all this information. It doesn't show my name on here.

The location is other, and it also says I'm a racial checker. I also didn't select any kind of cop.

He's a racial checker.

If you check the first post, it says everyone chooses between nation and location, EXCEPT for some slots which have a different check they can perform. Race is one of those alternatives.

-Cerb

[Wake1]

I did not know that.

[RAM]

From post 3:

Players may choose to check a player and will learn whichever fact they chose. The options are
Checking what nation a player hails from
Checking what location a player hails from
This action counts for all role purposes, as a visit and can be blocked/fail. This is why the game cannot begin until every player has confirmed, both in-thread and via PM.

Some players have variants on this power

. They are
Free-checker (can choose either nation or location the entire game)
Full free-checker (can choose nation, location, or race the entire game)
Racial checker (can only check race)
Full checker (gets all of nation, location, and race)
Checks resolve last in action resolution.

-Cerb

[KuroiXHF]

So let's take a look at someone else. I think I've been tested well enough. I got enough heat, yes? I'd like more on ASOIAF.

[dramonic]

OR we could lynch scum WT and stop fucking around.

[Wake1]

I got enough heat, yes?

No.

You haven't.

We haven't even begun.

[RAM]

...when your response to the heat doesn't scream town, you don't get to just shift the spotlight somewhere else.

-Cerb

[Wake1]

OR we could lynch scum WT and stop fucking around.

It depends on whether or not he claims.

If we're going to do this, let's do it right.

Should they be lying it'll come to light eventually.

[RAM]

Dram, what would you do if WT had made this EXACT claim that Kuroi made?

Just let him off?

I find it incredibly implausible that you would even care about his claim.

Why should we let Kuroi off on the basis of this, when everything he's done makes me, at least, believe he's scum?

-Cerb

[KuroiXHF]

I've already claimed, though. Surely my claim at least screams town. I'll probably die tonight anyway.

You guys may at least want to check my town meta. I'm more likely to be scum if I appear town.

[Wake1]

If he's a Doctor and not Scum, we shoot ourselves in the foot.

The best play, sans him being Culted, is to leave him for now.

I'm not asking to take him off the table, but to allow him to live past Day 1.

[dramonic]

Dram, what would you do if WT had made this EXACT claim that Kuroi made?

Just let him off?

I find it incredibly implausible that you would even care about his claim.

Why should we let Kuroi off on the basis of this, when everything he's done makes me, at least, believe he's scum?

-Cerb

The key difference is that you're wrong and I'm not

[Luna Fox]

Well he already claimed Human, if he's telling the truth what makes you think he wont get culled.

[rb]

OR we could lynch scum WT and stop fucking around.

[Wake1]

I've already claimed, though. Surely my claim at least screams town. I'll probably die tonight anyway.

You guys may at least want to check my town meta. I'm more likely to be scum if I appear town.

Not necessarily since there is no one general 'Town.'

If anything I see multiple 'Towns' that may be allied/at war with each other depending on flavor.

[MathBlade]

Wayward Thinker - 7 (dramonic, Tim, rb, davesaz, Nosferatu, BBMolla, Klingon)
KuroiXHF - 10 (DrippingGoofball, Luna Fox, Titus, A Song of Ice and Fire, Cephrir, Expedience, ram, ss hydra, heartless, toog)

Order not precise as I know Ceph is in the wrong place but fuck it headcount good.

Speech:

The posting in this thread is excluding many people. The catchup method where you quote posts as you catch up makes the problem worse. Combine that with people asking for quotes of things resolvable by search because lazy only makes the problem worse.

Furthermore, everyone seems to be talking

at

each other, rather than

to

each other.

Pedit: Jesus trying to post here and about 10 pedits now.

As yourself a few questions. What am I hoping to solve or respond to? If the answer is nothing, you don't need to post. We don't need snarking, gloating, or long protracted walls on people not likely to be lynched.

How does my post promote town health? If the answer is not at all, look if you really need to post it.

If you are not townreading one of Kuroi/WT, it's time to vote them. If you're townreading an entire wagon, consider moving. Is it worth bickering with townreads for 30 pages that people are rapidly tuning out?

Sure. There's a chance we're wrong. With cult and another recruiting faction(s), there's likely very little scum at the moment. Look to agree, not be hero town.

Ask how I can help others, not how they can help me.

This is all kinds of terrible.
People are literally posting things with one word and one emoticon or a single sentence.
They are not explaining WHY things are back or think they have to respond to everything right away.
It is the high post count people are complaining about. The catchup posts are a symptom

not

the cause.
The second sentence I disagree with. People (when not being spammy players) can slow down and get valuable reads. There have been a lot of good questions when people aren't burying them (e.g Wake's 3300 getting buried.)

Another example is the read wall. Only a few people read it and no one interacted with reads. Assuming you think I am town and incorrect about something (thanks for the corrections for the few who did read) then it helped to demonstrate a likely scum in KlingonCelt. However soon after lots of posts came in.

Third, Titus and the other speed posters need not just to answer does it promote town health but does it promote town health if I post it immediately. This is not a marathon game.

Fourth, no. Forced agreement when times are bleak just lets scum sheep on. The thing this thread needs is life. Passion. A real for people to care. Not apathetic lynches lead by a likely scum leader.

Fifth -- The question isn't about who you can help at all. It is about lynching scum and not lynching town.

[Wake1]

Should we Scumread players who lie in-game about their Race/Nation/Location?

[dramonic]

vote: Kuroi

Maybe I'm blindsided.

[dramonic]

*being

[Luna Fox]

Welp that's a hammer.