Gistou (Over!)

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

that was an obvious typo

I meant you expressed a townread on me , like no one can ever mistake that shit in game

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

oh come on , I'm fucking dizzy

stop playing with words nahdia

she said its to stupid to be scum then its to scummy to be scum or to good to be true scum

its hurtful to see one using this way of thinking again

~Ice

I fixed the above. it still stands.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

It's not too scummy to be scum, it's not too good to be true.
Find a better player to post. Oh wait, you have one.

Thats even worst

and what?

~Ice

This is a more polite way of saying I don't value your thoughts on what constitute proper play.
Meanwhile, Firebringer, who while I dislike is at least capable of coherent reasoning (

and basic fucking grammar

), is also part of your slot, so you should let him take over and spare me your garbage.
<3

If you had any problem with me you could ask me to leave at pregame. I gave you the chance,

now you can shut up and let me play

<3

although not sure where is fire. will try to get in contact with him.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

oh and btw

I don't fucking care you don't value my judgment

I don't fucking care at all

I'm not playing for you.

go play your game if you can - you have a satisfying result? good for you.

I'm satisfied with my play

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I understood that nahdia

anyway I also forgot this

UNVOTE:

I need to work on my 3 major scum reads.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

V/LA to cool of

I was about to ask for a replace out that fire asked me to calm down

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

This is the fire head to tell you all, stop being mean to Frozen chan.
Anyone who is mean to her will answer to my fire.

I am taking over. Frozen is taking backseat. ANYONE WHO DARES TO QUESTION US WILL BURN FOR THIS!

~Firebringer, The Dragon........

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

sup fire?

Dramonic, I heard you are being an extreme dick.
But what else is new?
Cause that aint news to me.

I guess I should read what I have missed though.

~Firebringer

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Okay here are my problems right now:

1) Last time I posted it was around 30-40 pagese in the game? Now its doubled.
I don't know if I will ever manage to keep up with this, and I posted yesterday.

2) I want to see Day 2 fast because I think this day is going to be a shit show, which it has been. Congrats on getting so bad on activity that the mod had to pm everyone and say "calm the fuck down"

3) Even though I have zero read on Kuroi, I might be willing to vote there just to again move this day along. Make some notes during the night and figure this shit out tomorrow.

Anyone have any specific questions?

BTw read the last 10 pages, worthless.
Just worthless in terms of me reading and commenting on. Not going to be surprised if 90% of the stuff I missed as like this.

~Firebringer, THe Dragon.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I feel like FA is the type of player that would flip the Monopoly Board and storm out of the room if she landed on an opponent's Boardwalk with a Hotel.

I never cheated in my whole life and I never flaked when things were bad for me in a game. Thats not even close to what happened here

what do you want me to do against an a... like him? stand here and get insulted?

I have better stuff to do with my life.

stop calling out my name or talking about me or my play style. you have no rights to question me or judge me here. fuck you all for making all my games personal and then accusing me for it.

as I said fire will be on control for a while. I can't deal with this shit

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I... whut?

EDIT: Your slot is the highest poster in the game fire <_<

oh and all my fucking Iso is pure content

so you may just fuck off <3

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I... whut?

EDIT: Your slot is the highest poster in the game fire <_<

I didn't actually realize this till I went much deeper than 10 pages, and then looked at activity overview.
Yeah, our slot is a big offender.

My points still stand pretty much, even if I maybe a hypocrite.

Less activity would actually help gamestate for everyone.

~Firebringer.


Also I am reading Dramonic as actually town here.
Not sure on DGB, and less sure on some others.
Heartless leaning that way, and Kuroi is still null even goign through his iso.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

That's all I'm going to say about that since it's completely off topic.

I wish you said none of that, since it wasn't time or place, but thank you.
If we can all drop the stuff about FA, you guys can all interact with me and get a read of me.

Like Frozen said and I said. I am taking lead of this hydra. Frozen will return likely Day 2.

~Firebringer

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I... whut?

EDIT: Your slot is the highest poster in the game fire <_<

oh and all my fucking Iso is pure content

so you may just fuck off <3

~Ice

This has literally no bearing on my point.
Please keep your emotions in check.

Its a bit hard but K

I hope they just ban you for abusive behavior and trolling about my play and me being game. so thats all fine

I feel like FA is the type of player that would flip the Monopoly Board and storm out of the room if she landed on an opponent's Boardwalk with a Hotel.

I never cheated in my whole life and I never flaked when things were bad for me in a game. Thats not even close to what happened here

what do you want me to do against an a... like him? stand here and get insulted?

I have better stuff to do with my life.

stop calling out my name or talking about me or my play style. you have no rights to question me or judge me here. fuck you all for making all my games personal and then accusing me for it.

as I said fire will be on control for a while. I can't deal with this shit

~Ice

You are always on defense about people attacking you when, in most cases no one is, and you are almost always one of the first people to throw stones as well. You take everything, even the most innocent comments or jokes, as personal affronts to your very being many times, and always play the drama queen and talk about how you're physically durressed in real life as a result.

Hell, Bloodborne mafia's end game is nothing but a rant on your part about how shit everyone is and that you were wronged in some way.

this is offtopic and can be disgusted out of the game , like everyone is whining about post counts and your just pushing this shit here?

I have full right to be pissed about cerb , elbrin , abr , allmost , shadow in bloodborne for the shit show happened in day 1 and day 2. we can talk about it if you want in offtopic. still you have no right to judge me

I didn't take anything personally. They all suck. Dram saying he has no respect for my play here sucks. dram saying I must be out of the game is an offense and yes I'm taking these stuff personally

Now if you have anything to add to game go fucking ahead. if not come in chats or wherever top discuss my old behaviors and my rant in bloodborne

pedit : nice you realised it

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

disgusted

discussed

And yes , My English sucks yes dram.

I already reported it to listmods - did that immediately and yes I'm waiting to see how will mastian react. you trolled and you had abusive behavior and you wished me out of the game - basically asked me to get out of the game.

I want you banned or at least been force replaced from this game.

<<< This has not happened yet. I did speak to dramonic about his behavior though, and I am expecting improvement. >>>

I'm not going to let anyone do this shit with me again.

And I can't when I get constantly called cerb . If you don't know that about me you don't know me at all.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Okay I just did an ISO of Kuroi and can say that I am atually leaning town on him.
Reasons are being on mostly tone alone.
The beginning phaes are actually a bit scummy, with posts like "I can't believe we caught scum" being the worst offenders that ping me. The later posts had an odd sense of ego in them though. Like he didn't expect a wagon or to be lynched, but he didn't explin why more than just like he thought the case was nothing. Could be arrogant scum, but it felt townish I guess. Not just scum ego.
Later hi posts about thinking for yourself sounded silly because he just voted people just sheeping, and his reads don't seem fully explored. He calls his town game bad, and I can maybe believe it in that sense given his stances so far, or maybe he is excusing his poor play.

I am going with town on this one.

What did I win?

~Firebringer

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Frozen, this is your hydra partner asking to you to please take a break.
This game isn't worth getting upset over.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

A broken heart from me. His read stances are insane. Did you read his ISO without context?

ISO is usually lacking most context to situations, so no.
I mean, he could be scum, but he is likely not informed in any sense of the word I am thinking.
Maybe its too early to pick up associations, but he seemed genuinely not in it with anyone? If that makes sense. The game is early though.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

And a mended one from me.
WHICH HEART MATTERS FIRE?

Titus, because Titus hearts are powerful.

But enough shenanigans, why specifically do you think he is town?
And anyone else i should read?

~Firebringer

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

... I just replied to Cerb on that very subject <_<

I probably need sleep to be honest at this point.
I somehow missed that.

Anyways, ill make some notes of this game tomorrow.
I need the zzzzs.

Frozen don't you go posting!

~Fire

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I actually relised how bitchy I was lately

I hope no one is really upset with me . I made a post about Bloodborne game there (just reffering cuase it was refrenced)

again I'm sorry for my English. I never learnet it from anyone. its all self learnt. I will be more than happy if anyone point me my mistakes in my posts and I'm really sorry if its frustrating to play with me.

sorry for how I behaved Dram. I didn't at all attacked your playstyle there. I just wanted to see what is your reason and I relised in the next page when nahdia explained. I respect others has different playstyles and they all beleive its the best one.

The reason I raged was becuase of the post you expressesed shame for not asking me to leave the game at sign ups. I should be more angry at myself for letting anyone feel that way about me.

anyway i hope you guys can forgive me. there is another reason for my more often mood swings recently which I expressed in Bloodborne.

almost50 knows how disgusting I can get during this period of my life.

sorry everyone again. don't be mad at me cause I love you all.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

kuroi is choosing the best moment to destroy tituses townread on me. fucking lol

titus just lost a micro from me where kuroi was modding. I would just lynch kuroi for this. like obviously he read that earlier. why else would he wait to attack me like that? plus he had a townread on me before this

I didn't read anything between the point I leaved and here. will catchup tonight

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

kuroi is choosing the best moment to destroy tituses townread on me. fucking lol

titus just lost a micro from me where kuroi was modding. I would just lynch kuroi for this. like obviously he read that earlier. why else would he wait to attack me like that? plus he had a townread on me before this

I didn't read anything between the point I leaved and here. will catchup tonight

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

actually I like storm more and luna less after reading these pages. luna seems a bit to out and while she is not developing the game so much she is actively posting. anyway this neighbourhood will be sorted later I guess after some flipps so I have no intention to push anything throw there.

KC 100% team thing is actually what I saw in her town game once (the one we suicided a partner in night 1 and semi cleared ourselves - I was in hydra with RC and was scum) and she is actually doing some stuff although they seem shit. so I have my doubts about this wagon

WT vote on KC was pure bullshit and holy shit scummy .

Expediance is doing the same scummy thing he was doing.

and my read on cerb hydra is solid town.

heartless hydra is something I can't read. not pinging me that much yet but also not towning up so much.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

what is the VC look like atm?

sometimes a scum is just a scum

Excellent addition. Who are my scum buddies?

BTW, what's your paypal account? I kind of think it's rude to not pay someone for a psychic reading.

just sayin I actually count this post as a scum claim.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@kuroi cuase you asked him to think about after your scum flip not defending yourself for why you shouldn't even flip. asking him who are his other scumreads is a way for engaging him and seeing how he builds his reads and shows the fact your suspicious at him

you said who are my scumbuddies implying you know he is town , scumreading you legity andyou just wanted him confused with assosciative tells even before a flip which implies your a scum well distant from your partners or your a scum who is solo in a faction probably a SK or cult leader.

thats how I see that.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I mean asking him who are his other scumreads is way different from what you asked .

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

"This is what you are thinking" is wrong 95% of the time.

not really

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I need a VC,

will wait for mastin before voting

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

No Retreat

where is Yume?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

no that post was not useless. I was genuinely trying to engage mathblade cuase of her scumread on me.

You said you have us as town lean before how you had that read and what about my early posts is suddenly scummy for you? what changed?

and what about my last post you can't understand.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I posted basically the same read about dave like the one you posted from fire , I can swear.

what about Fire saying it was towny which wasn't about me?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

dave maybe scum.

Go on....I wasn't getting that from his posts.

lol not the same thing but I had the same in my mind. k

ignore that question

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Ice, can y'all vote Kuroi. I think you're not voting.

waiting for a VC atm

making my reads stronger

and stuff

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@Kuroi

yeah I feel everyone else beside me sucks sometimes. that changes to I just suck and everyone else not sucks sometimes. offtopic really. not sure what was the point of that post. I have a isolation of more than 200 posts and your really bringing one post out of it and saying its wording was useless? the post that its entire reason was for bumping my previous questions,

about cephir : your wording felt like you know he is legitly scumreading you (means you two are not in same faction if your scum) . instead of asking him what are his scumreads you asked him who are my scumbuddies which means your

1) confident there is no assosciative tells between you and others (which means your a solo scum or distansced well atm)
2) although your pretending to, your not defending yourself. your just trying to suggest you can't be scum with anyone.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Alright, fuck ya'all, I'm out.

fuck you ...

after all the shitty "not out any info" alarms the whole day long you just come out and full claimed for us for what? All towns know what is a shape of town role pm and the scums probably have proper fake claims and know all the stuff about it.

like wtf was that. explain why you felt its going to useful anyway

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

And as I've said before, I am catching up. Cephrir is scum reading everyone he wants to, but he's not scum hunting.

cephir was my earliest prob town who I put in null when I saw he is not getting anywhere with his reads and is just testing the ground and he is still there.

thats not related to what I felt about how you appeased to him.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Cult would never recruit me now, I've made too big of a target of myself.

Mafia will want me dead just in case.
Town will want me dead just in case.
I want to die "on purpose" at night.
I've also stated that if I am alive at end game, I need to die.

None of those scream "recruit that guy," to me.

after all the shitty "not out any info" alarms the whole day long you just come out and full claimed for us for what?

I never said anything about "we shouldn't out info," other players do that. If you know me, you know I love claims since they give info to work with. I would say I've partially claimed, fully claimed, or at least breadcrumbed in almost every game I've ever played.

by outing oursleves we're not giving any info to town to work with , we will just give scum a clear map of what the shit is the game like. no mod will let his/her scum team get outed in a massclaim.

like you claim x , y hint at z , a point at b , c out d and the scum will already know what is half of the game state and how they must plan their fucking night actions.

what info is your claim giving us beside two confirmable details?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

How does anything I've said even appear to be appeasing to Cephrir?

appeasing is not the correct word. it felt engaging with the knowledge he knows your town.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I'll tell you what, if town loses solely on the basis of my claim, I will retire from mafia forever.

are you kidding me

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

How does anything I've said even appear to be appeasing to Cephrir?

appeasing is not the correct word. it felt engaging with the knowledge he knows your town.

~Ice

I meant you know he is town :/ (by that I mean you really think he is scumreading you and not framing you)

fucking pronouns

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I hate these double postings as well sorry everyone not intentional

@kuroi can you read the post I explained what I meant there when I said I think "this is a scum claim" or your just shitting me right now?

I accused you that you know he is not framing you. that means your eaither from other factions as scum or he is town and your scum. he is town in the opinion of scum you.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

You've used "(the misppelled you're) just shitting me right now" when you were scum in House M.D. The exact phrase.

VOTE: A Song Of Ice And Fire

I used the exact phrase in my bloodborne mafia.

I used this exact phrase so many other places. I used it ten minutes ago while I was talking with my husband.

I'm not scum in this. I don't care about your meta shit cuase its wrong and your probably just scum

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

As I said you just went back in this game to call me scum based on the way I played in that game. I called it when you were preparing yourself.

show you what? the phrase in my town games? like really? you think I use the spescific pharase in my scum games based on the one game you modded and I was scum in? your just trying to dirting up my slot at the moment.

My all games are in my wiki. if you want to read them go read them.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@ceph

I just think the place your at atm is really easily fakable as scum and your play is not enough for town reading you atm. I want to be more cautious about you. I don't know anything about your meta.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@Kuroi your accusing me that I use that phrase as mafia only and not town . I'm using that phrase all the time IRL and I have no idea about how much and how I used them. the burden of proof is on the accuser. I don't have any intentions to meta read myself cuase your accusing me of some shit which is not obviously alignment indicative. your saying cuase I used it on a same mafia game recently I'm mafia cause I said it? kindda sad how much your trying to just throw dirt throw me

VOTE: Kuroi I was waiting for fire to come online or mastin to make a VC but clearly not getting any tonight

I meant like

What does "not getting anywhere with my reads" mean.

It sounds kinda like something I don't do

I'm not disagreeing that I could probably fake 99% of what I've done this game

I mean its not like your reads are there to sort people, seems just playing good and having good reads without fighting for having them , not sure If I'm implying what I meant good enough.

good night anyway.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

your saying cuase I used it on a same "way in a" mafia game recently I'm mafia cause I said it "again"? kindda sad how much your trying to just throw dirt throw me *

phone posting missing words.

pedit : I had my intention to vote you way before you even calling me scum. your the one who suddenly read the same posts and called me scum for it afterward.

your saying I'm using the same phrase only as scum. I'm not cuase i'm used it here and I'm town. you only saw one of my scumgames with that phrase. what the fuck is this accusation and how am I going to reflect it? by rereading all my games to see where and how did I used it so far?

come on. it 11:30 at night and I'm already half an hour late to sleep. I am not in anormal condition to stay awake so long at nights and I'm just awake cuase I can't sleep atm. you want to meta read me I should do your homework?

if its real at all go do your homework

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

hope there is no your in there cause its extremely hard to use ' in phone or writing that long shit at all.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

want a hint?

I'm sure I used the same phrase to cerb in bloodborne mafia where I was town.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

thats the only thing I can recall

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I have no fucking idea how should I defend against something redicolous. yes I'm using that phrase these dats more recently. Its just a fucking phrase in my mouth, the fact my recent games or used it in some of my scum games and not town is not proving any shit beside the fact that the things that let me say that phrase happened more in my scum games

I will do a meta dive today in my games though to check what you claimed- that I only used it on my scum gmaes only.

@cerb the thing your reffering too was something happened to me after a car accident. its just when i feel the pressure on my is too high I ask people to legitly get out of the room. even that phrase by itself mean nothing beside showing I'm frustrated.

whoever said this is not frustrated scum who is shitting around and his only case and legit in this whole game (which he had town read on before and I have no idea how he got scum indication from my posts by rereading them after the game he was modding finished). the only thing I can think of this shit is he legitly trying to dirtying my slot up and I won't let this shit happen

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

ah I was just reading my last post and I saw I just used shitting around

how about that? another meaningful and the best way for psychological analyzing me?

for god sake ...

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

there were stuff in his posts I didn't like. forexample the vote on KC was alarming fake

need to eat something and go out will iso drive kuroi , WT and likely exped (if I had time today)

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

There has been another 40 pages since I posted 24 hours ago.

I am going to literally die.

Please, for the love of god this isn't mafia. This is hell. Lets lynch anyone to move onto next day, pls?

~Firebringer

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Actually, I am going to go talk to Frozen and we may replace out.

Like, I want to play games, and I like activity, but this is too much for me.
If I wasn't in any other games, I could easily keep up and be proactive, but this is just angering me to see this much in all honestly.

~Firebringer


I think frozen has been generally upset with this, so i don't know.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I need to do a meta dive into Kuroi to understand how much he has played with Frozen, but if I am right. I think I can gurantee a good read on him.
Right now my mind is flooding with suspicions that he is town, because his push is so specific and so weird that I think it only comes from a townish mindset that thinks they found the hidden "key" to reading a player. Theres other reasons I think pushing on us is in general a bad idea, that some others probably understand why, and I told frozen why thats bad.

Kuroi, how many games have you played with Frozen?
How many of her games have you read or follow at all?

~Firebringer

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I am actually more likely to suspect the people townreading us right now tbh, because....I am not sure I am ready to delve into it.

~Firebringer

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Ok so I was talking with Fire bringer about 2 hours ego about Kuroi

I did a meta check and saw the only games I ever played with kuroi (or kuroi was anyhow related to it) were these three

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=66946 (House md mafia the one finished yesterday , the questioned game)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=83&t=66940 (Anything Upick micro finished two night before , I was scum kuroi town)
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=65032 (A song of Ice and Fire large , I was town and he scum)

the funny point is I did use the same phrase in ASOIAF here :

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p7579661

and I used it in anything upick as well :

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8110837

so putting aside his obvious lie for checking my meta completely in search of that phrase I just remembered how is this shit similar to what he did in ASOIAF where he was scum.

in that game I was pushing massive from a really early point cuase he was legitly scummy and kuroi was whiteknighting him so hard till nearlly end day. at end when we called him scum as well and people got tempted to vote him , he made a bullshit case against me , accused me of not pushing or trying to have a read on my friend jeanne who was a confirmed IC in the game , started to say I feel scummy becuase I was defending myself in weird way , tried to push me for my language and grammer and my post count.

so instead of defending himself , he started white knighting some other town and pushed a crap on another.

he made sketchy responses like the one he did in response to cephir there multiple times like once he said "I didn't say ALL of the scum was on the wagon, ABR." he had nothing like it in the recent town game I saw from him.

so in conclusion kuroi is scum who is playing exactly like what he did in ASOIAF , who is trying dirt my slot up and make everyone paranoid about me as a trick by lieing and faking a pattern about my games without even analyzing the games we were inside together. the timing of his reared and the fact he backtracked on reading me from highest town reads of him till scumreading me this confident over a crap peace of shit is all fake.

I'm not going to compermise in other wagons today. this scum must just die

Fire thinks the wagon on kuroi is decent after reading all these meta info and stuff. I suggested the only way I can see him town is becuase he might be angry at me who started raging in his own way after me winning a scum game two days ago by using his vote in lylo and fire rejected that idea as he feels really confident about it and the tone. Fire thinks he is either lazy town or lazy scum and his flip will help to get idea about others and where their standing. I feel there is no way for him being town.

Fire suggested it might just be a horrible reaction test and stuff. I don't see it at all.

anyway fire went to sleep and I want kuroi dead.I will post this conversation on demand.

again I never claimed I'm good at meta reading but here is what I get from researching.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

and no ; I reduced my games to one for being able to handle them and I want to stay in it and play.

I convinced FB to not replacing out - I can't play anything solo for a while because of my special RL condition and the fact I might flake suddenly.

so we both will be here till the point this head flake or the end I guess

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I have a null read on WT & a Town read on Kuroi, so I'm not likely to vote either of them.

why?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

about WT throwing their whole Iso

Spoiler: long Iso dive

]posts 14 and 19 is the start of asking for more info and post 34 is a return to the first place which didn't settle good with me as I reacted to it that time.

the kind of question in 494 is actually make me think he tries to engage with people about himself which is towny

their next posts about depending a read on flips is suggesting LQ has a kind of playstyle to try to make people fight eachother , throw shaddy analyzes about them to see how they will respond to use the flipps to see how they worked out . after them post 607.

there are several posts that are pinging me solo but togethere they like a consistant mindset trying to solve. I see that some cases against this slot is pure meta so I can't comment on it.

the hesistant in discussing reads with me in 933 is one of the other stuff that pings me but as it is it might be conpletly in line with a playstyle.

suz case on kuroi is weak but the way kuroi reacted to it is just more saying kuroi is scum more than saying anything about suz

they used some fallacies for explaining they reads a lot which is making them look fake.

the most thing which is pinging me is this post :

These two things conflict. You say you know that these three people are Scum, which is lawl, cuz I think we are all town, but before that you say "don't expect to be impressed before day 3." So either your reads are shit here and you are telling the truth about having a good game by day 3 or you're reads are right (but they aren't) and you are impressing us right now with your for sure scum reads day 1. So which is it? Should we trust your Scum reads now or are these reads shit now?

You're right.

I usually can't get it together until Day 3.

But once in a while, it's like it was handed to me on a silver platter.

You, Expedience, and No Retreat have interacted as a team. A Scum team.

I am 100% sure of this.

You guys here that? She's 100% sure.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

I want this dead more than anything right now.

which is a reall omgus on someone although it might be from a frustrated town too.

anyway by reviewing these I think there is a chance that WT is town and although there are so many stuff pinging me in their iso , the fact their related is giving me a puase that it might be actually town with a consistent mind set doing it.

I prefer kuroi

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

to be clear in the worst page top ever

I'm not town reading WT. As I think there are several stuff that are pinging me I think there is chance that I'm just hating a playstyle instead of thinking their scummy. I'm pretty null , very slightly leaning scum on them

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

These two things conflict. You say you know that these three people are Scum, which is lawl, cuz I think we are all town, but before that you say "don't expect to be impressed before day 3." So either your reads are shit here and you are telling the truth about having a good game by day 3 or you're reads are right (but they aren't) and you are impressing us right now with your for sure scum reads day 1. So which is it? Should we trust your Scum reads now or are these reads shit now?

You're right.

I usually can't get it together until Day 3.

But once in a while, it's like it was handed to me on a silver platter.

You, Expedience, and No Retreat have interacted as a team. A Scum team.

I am 100% sure of this.

You guys here that? She's 100% sure.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

I want this dead more than anything right now.

I am voting kuroi what are you talking about?

VOTE: Kuroi just in case

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I voted again last night before going to sleep

I just revoted to make sure though

and I guess franky is already prodded last night

~Ice

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I feel uncomfortable that no one is commenting about what I posted about Kuroi and WT

@Luna and titus why is WT town?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

his frustration felt townie to me.

quote the part or post references / links please . the game is large enough <3

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@Titus so if their not alarming you as scum you have a townread on them? kindda its like calling null town?

Is meta involved?

@luna so you think he is legitly frustrated about catching up in this large game what about it is making him town?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

preflip meta included saying if kuroi flip scum , WT is exactly massive replacement in ASOIAF making me sure that they weren't in same faction.

~Ice

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@luna so you think he is legitly frustrated about catching up in this large game what about it is making him town?

I feel like he wants to scumhunt but cant because he's always playing catchup and he gets reads from interactions.

but he did finish catching up till a certain point. if he has anything to say about the things before (scumhunting) he has no problem with that.

maybe not catching up once and do what you say scumhunting?

so you think WT didn't scumhunt at all so far? what were they doing then in your preview. what is a catching up?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

in your view. not preview. that makes no sense what I just said there :/

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

K I guess we have similar conclusion about what might be the reason he pings scum but not the same deduction from how much that revise it (from scum to being town)

I can't and won't call a slot town unless i see their acting towny. not seeing that from them.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

You'll do a lot of mislynches if you keep thinking that only scum wont act townie in your standards then.
There are more ways to be town, than just not making shit cases or bad reads.
Heck, if anything town's more prone to being stupid than scum.

nah by keeping myself paranoid enough I won't let someone get credit for what they didn't done / deserve , keeping my eyes open to further slips if their scum.

I won't call not scummy town and I won't particpate in any not sorted weird townblock and won't approve any weird moonlogicy townreads. ever

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

actually WT was the one who started the whole kuroi wagon and the way they omgused klingon instead of pushing the hetaed wagon after kuroi attacked me instead of attacking WT is making me feel really confused here.

not sure if its just a legit hydra head differences or just a tactic for distant themselves from the lynch flip (like what scum do to get away with murder) assuming its multiball cuase I'm positive kuroi is scum

was it suz who voted kling or LQ ?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I think WT has a chance to be town

I want kuroi dead cuase he is just obviously scum

I explained both

now fight me or vote kuroi

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

rb you never commented about anything I've said in this game or anything about my slot that I can recall of

why is that ? whats your read on me ? and what do you think about my recent detailed posts about kuroi / WT ?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

rb you never commented about anything I've said in this game or anything about my slot that I can recall of

why is that ? whats your read on me ? and what do you think about my recent detailed posts about kuroi / WT ?

~Ice

Which detailed posts do you want me to look at? I've read most of them and nothing you do really screams scum or town to me but overall I'd say I'm reading you as null-scum. Tbh if WT flipped Town and Kuroi flipped scum I'd be picking you as scum and that these posts are just looking for towncred, since your case on Kuroi is just repeating what's already been said 27 times per page and I'm not giving anyone town-points for doing that at this stage of the game, and the townread on WT is just the same shit Luna's saying - but feel free to correct me.

So without any flips and VCA I'm not sure which way I'd lean on you but if I had a gun to my head it'd be null-scum.

I don't feel like there's much strength in what you're saying nor do I see much evidence that you're putting out original content. There's a lot of slots I still haven't interacted with so far because as I mentioned in 1792 I'm pretty certain that we've found at least one scum in WT/Expedience because their interactions are just scum all over. On top of that I think Kuroi isn't a bad choice either. I initially was frustrated because I felt like Kuroi was just a counter-wagon and I didn't think his play had so far been scummy enough to warrant such a huge wagon, but his response since being pressured has been absolutely terrible.

first I was vla for about 48 hours and I did skimming and isolated reads not reading in full detail cuase that's pure impossible. so what I said about WT was not a definite replica of Luna post at all.

you can't siriously miss what I said about kuroi and the meta dive on WT in 2 or 3 pages ago. and no I didn't repeat what everyone where saying about kuroi. wtf?

please read and comment.

and I want to know what do you mean about not giving out real content cause that seems like a huge discredit even though I can see someone missing following my interactions in this huge game.

and I don't like your pre flip accusation at all. why is him being scum is making me look scummy? cause this looks like you know he will flip scum and wanna bring me down with him ... ?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Kuroi

comment on my case

I didn't just put it there for shit

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

So there's 3 lynches that I'm happy with, this thread has reached to almost page 150. Even if it's Day 1, it's not a normal Day 1. I feel like there's more than enough interactions to do a good VCA and get a lot of information from Night 1 flips.

VCA is pure shit

just saying

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

So there's 3 lynches that I'm happy with, this thread has reached to almost page 150. Even if it's Day 1, it's not a normal Day 1. I feel like there's more than enough interactions to do a good VCA and get a lot of information from Night 1 flips.

VCA is pure shit

just saying

~Ice

I don't think so, if it's done right.

I'd say that outright considering VCA pure shit, is pure shit.

k not fighting play style

read my defense / case post of kuroi or do you need me to quote that for you?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

still scumreading your hydra nahdia

its just scummy disconnected ABR , flaked even though promised errant and having no reason to townread nahdia

please gather your hydra shit together?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

VCA is a tool, not a holy grail.

Its a tool with random result, it has no efficiency .

the experience and the beholder of the tool might help it to be a more appropriate random result.

still not going to fight about this , just playstyle clashes

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

ABR flaked?!?

can't see any kind of content from him so far. he claimed he didn't read more than 80 pages of the game when it had about 85 pages and he is no vla till sunday.

he is still disconnected scummy abr

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@rb

and i tried to correct it?

you said you don't care what my read on kuroi is and how I achived it but you called me slightly scum for just following others in this? like wtf?

the rest was me sarcastickly attacking you for the pure wifom shit you said there and your doing it again. what do you expect me to say about this baseless assosciative assumption? you think kuroi was attacking his scumbuddy like that and you think I faked all the research and back and forth with my other hydra head about it? do you think I faked defending against kuroi and I'm just bussying my partner atm? cuase thats what your saying without backing it up

if you knew me even a little you knew how over reactionary my persona is as either alignment and nah I'm just defending myself against an accusation.

and yeah? its just feel like confbiasing if your town or just shitting around to see if you can put your anchor in someone for later days if your scum ...

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Anyway, your case seems to be mostly meta which is meh. Meta to me is only useful in certain situations and this isn't one of them. The fact that Kuroi might be using the same approach to find scumreads this game as he did in a previous game where he was scum doesn't tell me Kuroi is scum; it tells me Kuroi is Kuroi.

he attacked me with meta

he lied about it in several ways (about achieving it and what was real)

I defended and attacked back.

he has nothing else in the game beside the sudden scumread on me although he said he has a townread on me before this. he can't just read the same iso and get a scumvibe all of a sudden . he was preparing for this attack and he is just doing it to show himself busy.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@rb

as i said i'm trying to correct you on myself

I'm not offended in anyway.

you accused me of just following others while I just gave out my analyzes on two main wagons earlier today which you didn't refer to at all eventhough I asked multiple times.

yes , cause I'm town and I want to be town readed.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Funnily enough, I've slammed people on "lying" about their meta on me before. Every single one of them was town (but then, I was scum). I doubt he was trying to "lie" and more likely just made a mistake while metadiving. It's a lot of information to sift through and I don't find it surprising he missed you saying a certain phrase once or twice when sorting through all your posts in this site.

Still seeing nothing scum indicative about his attack on you.

-Nahdia

he claimed he checked all the games of me after I went to sleep and I just brought up the only town game of me with him which had the phrase in it.

have you read my post where I explained his attack on me is trying to dirting me up like the way he was doing it in ASOIAF ? like he just waited to the current games to finish to attack me for my personality and emotional earlier posts and a phrase crap which made some people paranoid about me?

as I said its just a scum who is trying to seem confident and scum hunting while doing no shit

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

It's actually really really easy to metadive for a phrase.
Advanced search -> user: frozen angel -> post contain: shit
Result: all the instances of shit in a frozen post.

k

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@rb

as i said i'm trying to correct you on myself

I'm not offended in anyway.

you accused me of just following others while I just gave out my analyzes on two main wagons earlier today which you didn't refer to at all eventhough I asked multiple times.

yes , cause I'm town and I want to be town readed.

It's more to do with the fact that of all the people you choose to analyze, you choose Kuroi who was already well and truly scum-read by many people. I read the actual cases and didn't see much that screamed to me you were putting a great deal of genuine effort into actually solving the game.

Oh you want to be townread? I take it back then, you must be town because no other faction could possibly want to be townread, right?

I defended myself against him and found a scum. I don't post cases for shit. I'm trying to read you too

and I never said the second line. you said why your scumreading me I said this is my iso and what I did and what your saying is wrong.

why instead of seeing why is your read is wrong and checking out what I said, your just getting offensive?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

dram I won't join any games with you ever again. that helps you I guess cuase i'm a shitty player you know?

you don't join any of my games ever again. cuase you will be hurt as I'm a shitty player as well. k?

and I won't let you join my moderatted games ever . cuase you know I get personally offended when I see a jerk . ok?

dropping this conversation

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

What are you even talking about? <_<

I guess I misunderstood your post

ignore my last post please I read that like your calling all my posts shit ...

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@rb

as i said i'm trying to correct you on myself

I'm not offended in anyway.

you accused me of just following others while I just gave out my analyzes on two main wagons earlier today which you didn't refer to at all eventhough I asked multiple times.

yes , cause I'm town and I want to be town readed.

It's more to do with the fact that of all the people you choose to analyze, you choose Kuroi who was already well and truly scum-read by many people. I read the actual cases and didn't see much that screamed to me you were putting a great deal of genuine effort into actually solving the game.

Oh you want to be townread? I take it back then, you must be town because no other faction could possibly want to be townread, right?

I defended myself against him and found a scum. I don't post cases for shit. I'm trying to read you too

and I never said the second line. you said why your scumreading me I said this is my iso and what I did and what your saying is wrong.

why instead of seeing why is your read is wrong and checking out what I said, your just getting offensive?

~Ice

You never said you wanted to be townread? What about post 3510?

You literally say - "I'm town and I want to be town readed."

I feel like you're trying really hard to make it look like I'm being unfair to you here, when I'm really not.

I said I want to be townreaded but not for wanting to be townreaded ... omfg

no I'm not I'm saying I'm town why you think I'm scum. you said why I said why your wrong and yes I want to be townreaded. wtf is that?

yes your unfair. your not following up the conversation and taking back what you accused me ans is obviously wrong.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@ASOIAF

Is very likely town

( Ice is scum hunting like mad and following up on everything she asks plus ending the conversation with a read, she often also drops why she asked that question, i.e. she had an opinion to start out with and checked to see if the player she is interacting with will match her expectation), this is multi-ball so I can't town read her for the rest of the game, here are some questions for you:

- What is your read (if you have one) on Heartless, Nosferatu, Toog. ?

- What didn't you like about Molla in your first post?

- Do you remember why you stopped your conversation with Dram and didn't give a read? Many pages later you seem to have a scum lean, lately you have moved him to null, can you confirm?

From what I've seen about FB this is also more likely to be his town game.

heartless - null , cuase what anti is doing is like what I saw in his town game but I'm afraid I can see that in his scum games as well. didn't do isolated read and deep research yet , probably won't till I see some flip info
nosfertu - slight town cuase I liked the way he engaged earlier multiple times so far , not yet developed read.
toog - town becuase of that idiotic claim. need to be investigated and teted later though cuase its a cult game

claiming flavor is antitown play and I hate antitown play

that wasn't a game related conversation , he called my game shit I overreacted cuase I was a bit angry from bloodborne as well I appologised and came back. Fire feel he is town and I have no intention to read him yet.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

If you're REALLY concerned about how people are reading you you're either scum or bad

not really!

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rb you said your scumreading me cuase I'm just following others and have others read in my iso which is absolutely wrong. I made two posts earlier today that explains my mindset and how I get there transparently.

now comment on them and stop dodging the main question with "she is saying she want to be townreaded cause she is town"

I asked for your opinion cuase you were commenting on anything beside my posts. I want your read on my mindset that I explained earlier today not for just fixing your read on me but to read you. your dodging is making me think that I was wrong on my initial slight townread on you for the effeort you were putting in for sortting the game current pushes. it feels your nitpicking words to stay in the higher side of the conversation instead of analyzing them.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I'm not being snarky though?
Self-awareness is important, but trying to make people say I'm town only means I need my play to be approved for ?reasons?
Ya know, what WT is doing.

although that wasn't what i was saying at all.

plus I usually overreact to reads on me though like the way I overeact to everything in my life? whats that saying at all?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Everyone's going to say, "I'm town." Town say it. Scum say it. Cult say it. Serial Killer's say it. Why should I care that she says it?

So. It's NAI
Why are you caring then?

Because Ice seems to be saying it as if it should make me think she's more town.

never said that

your putting words in my mouth.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

when I said scumread i meant the thing that made you lean scum on me

you said I'm following others like the way you have similar reads with others? if not how and where

why your leaning scum on me again?

and what I said about WT is not at all meta. and what I said about kuroi is not fully meta. the meta part is just for showing how he lied and how he did a similar play meta wise. the fact he lied in this game and jusped on me right after those two games finished not a second sooner or later with backtracking on me is the thing that makes him scum in my eyes which is not meta at all

the fact your just throwing them in trash can just because you hate meta is making me think really less of you.

putting you down in scum lean for not analyzing what I asked you (not even reading it) and pure dodge and pretending it to be something else.

I've been fully reading them. your not the one who is reading anything and dodging here

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Also stop dodging her questions by overfocusing on this.

The funny thing is that you're saying that was her intention, when it really wasn't. Yet it somehow made you elevate her from null-scum to null, so i would say that it's causing more of a psychological effect on your read, on something that you... supposedly shouldn't be caring about?

P-Edit: @rb

What. The. Actual. Fuck. Luna?

I didn't say I'm reading her null because of the town thing, I said I'm reading her null again in the post where I mentioned that yes, she does seem consistent. I still don't know how hard it is to fake but I'm not scum-leaning on her anymore. Also, there's two people who keep asking me questions about the thing I said, which I've now explained at least 3 times - I'm not the one focussing on it, other people are asking me/questioning me about it. In my eyes I was just highlighting a thing said by Ice that literally any alignment could say: AT THE SAME TIME AS NULL-READING HER.

I mean yeah, how fucking weird that I'm null-reading a person who says things that I feel like any alignment could say, right?

then again you refused to make a read on my two earlier cases which was an obvious counter to why you claimed your scum reading me in your first post.

still arguing about how your reading me currently instead which is a total distraction from what was the intention of this whole conversation to dodge it.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

this is the worst page top not the last one

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my case on kuroi is basically a defense from his case on me

where should I defended mysefl from his case on me? before he posted it? kidding me right?

this is just saying your not reading that shit and you have no idea about the whole intreaction over and over

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Fucks given = 0.

well that was just a try to make you read the actual fuck more than being a legit read cuase I feel your just holding a middleground shit about me-kuroi interaction

and given that preflip accusation it only seems like you really want to discredit my push on him

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Did you just admit to your kuroi case being OMGUS?

First you say the thimg of your cause is because you were V/LA and now you're saying that it's because it was a defense. Which one of us has no idea again?

Also I can't stop laughing because your scumlean on me just reads to me like, "you scumlean on me?! I scumlean on you!"

wtf are you talking about I had kuroi as scum sinsce way earlier in game becuase of how he reacted to WT

that was about why I wasn't the first one who made these major wagons or being the first one who says WT might not be scum as you accused me of just duplicating. yes I was V/LA in this game for 2 days. the response on kuroi is me defedning against his shit telling why he making this shit making him more likly scum.

and no thats not even close to what I just said about my scumlean on you.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Fucks given = 0.

well that was just a try to make you read the actual fuck more than being a legit read cuase I feel your just holding a middleground shit about me-kuroi interaction

and given that preflip accusation it only seems like you really want to discredit my push on him

~Ice

Wow it's so fucking weird that I'm holding a middle-ground on a null-read, isn't it?

Yes I really want to discredit your push on Kuroi, that's why I'm saying I find it null as opposed to saying I find it shit - because I REALLY want to discredit it...

you said null scum lean but that doesn't even matter

you didn't read my post about kuroi and wt becuase you said you don't like meta cases. their not cases. one is my defense and explaining the meta and conversation with the other head of this hydra the second is my iso dive on the other wagon of the game.

your just mirepresenting me and trying to dodge that with bringing up my question about your read on me

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

So then why did you say your case was a defense if you were scumreading him from early in the game?

there are two parts in kuroi scumread.

he said he has my slot as town way earlier. yesterday he started to post from post 1 again called my first emotional rages probably scum aligned - backtracking from his earlier read right after two of my scumgames finished which had dgb and titus on who are both townreading me for my emotional posting.

when I called him out for this timing he faked a pattern in my meta,

I explained all these with a meta read on him based on the same game I found and said how we discussed stiff (me and my hydra partner earlier today)

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

So far you've said:

- the timing of your case was because you were V/LA
- the timing of your case was because you were defending yourself
- you were building a case on an early scumread

I don't think all three can be true. Or maybe they can. I can't really tell tbh because I find it impossible to decipher how much of this is language barrier, how much is your emotions and how much is because you genuinely think I'm dodging/being scummy right now.

Because if we're just misunderstanding I'd like to fix it up but if you're just "over-reacting" or actually think I'm scummy I really don't give a fuck and this interaction is shitting up the thread.

P-edit:

Again, I read the case I just don't think it's great and nor do I think it makes you town (or scum). You had reasons for making it as any alignment and your case could have been made as any alignment. What's so hard to understand about this?

If you think there's something you said that's supposed to make me go, "WOW! ICE IS TOWN!" then please do point it out to me.

thats not what I said at all

there were answers to different question and the third is not at all true

Kuroi had a townread on my posts before and He changed that later right after those game finished. I was V/LA and yes so many points were actually already mentioned not by me before - like luna said the same thing about WT apperently and achived another deduction - I made a full Iso dive from my pov so that was saying why it happened now and not before.

the case is not omgus

I had kuroi as scum before him attacking me . the fact he attacked me like that is scummy as well and I explained it.

I usually townread whoever start to scum read / engage and legitly read me unless I feel their just dirting me up and kuroi is dirting me up.

and no you may be null on the case, you just need to know what was the case cuase that disaprove what you said about me sheeping others on kuroi.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

What did this mean if it's not an OMGUS?

he made a shitty case on me after i said he is scumread of me. you may call it an omgus of omgus then?

I defended myself proved why he is lieing and why that makes him scum.

~Ice

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If you think there's something you said that's supposed to make me go, "WOW! ICE IS TOWN!" then please do point it out to me.

this whole interaction wasn't suppose to do that. you said your leaning scum on me (a bit)

and you said why

I said why its wrong

but that wasn't my whole argument. you said you read my posts yet your posts show you didn't. I want to see if the way you wifom'ed about kuroi is becuase you already know his alignment and your scum or your just misunderstood me earlier

~Ice

ok

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Franky is probably scum too

he is not picking his prod but was online on the site moments ago.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

not till the scums die never till the scums die.

vote kuroi with me please ?!

~Ice

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man.

on one hand, i love saying "I told ya so". On the other hand, I've been painfully wrong plenty of times before, and I'd be down with that being the case again.

-Nahdia

this is painfully scummy nahdia

@wake no it doesn't include "town" in the role pm , but when I asked mastin about what it means he confirmed its a "town" role pm . sure he will confirm that to whoever has the same faction as me. not sure what you wanna say and I really don't care about it.

~Ice

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she* s dropped I know mastin is a she

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You're free to think so, but I make statements like this aaaaalllllll the time.

thats why I want your other heads to talk to me. cuase their easier to read.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

See, mine doesn't have 'Town' in it either.

mastin confirmed its town when I asked her.

~Ice

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EDIT: I could lynch Ice right now.

why cuase I'm saying you may ask the mod about whats the meaning of your faction win con in your role pm?

or cuase I'm town? cuase you love lynching town only if your scum

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Its not false

I asked mastain whats the meaning of "you win when X happens" she said it means you have a town win condition but I can explain the x

try that for yourself if your town too

~Ice

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can't *

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I just phraphrased the answer she gave to me

if you didn't receive the same answer if you asked the same question that confirms that your not town ?!

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Was it not immediately obvious to you that you were town from the color?

color claim is faction claim I guess

why should I do that?

@Luna yes the win condition is you will win if all the threats to my faction are eleminated.

I confirmed my role as a town

After you claimed your not human but you win with the town I asked the mod about what does my role pm mean exactly

she confirmed that its a town win condition. she can't explain the threats and I simply win when they are all gone.

not going to talk about this anymore cause its purely role fishing me and I feel extremely uneasy about it.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Mastin specifically refuses to give any clarifications IRT wording. I very sincerely doubt you got preferential treatment.

she said that my wincondition is a town wincondition

I really don't give a fuck about what you think about it tbh.

its in my hydra pt. I will open that in post game to show you how much you suck with your play.

~Ice

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@Luna yes the win condition is you will win if all the threats to

my faction

are eleminated.

So you dont win when all threats to the humanity thing are eliminated?
Only to your faction?

"You win if all threats to the X faction have been eliminated."

its my win condition in my role pm and its a town win condition mod confirmed.

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she confirmed that its a town win condition.

she can't explain the threats

and I simply win when they are all gone.

. . .

unvote

I don't think you understand the mechanics of this game.
Like, at all.

I understand them

and I wasn't expecting her to tell me what are the threats. I just asked to know if my faction is "Town" and she confirmed it.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

But I'm glad you confirmed you're a modified survivor

maybe

maybe not !

WIFOM

do I need to survive to win as well ? not going to tell this shit to you with all the <3 and respect so maybe stop faction fishing ?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I didn't claim any shit in the thread.

I just claimed that my win condition is town win condition and its mod confirmed.

stop shitting me

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I meant to me its confirmed that it means town

not to you guys. I know she can't confirm me in thread like this. dah what the hell do you think about me? I'm not stupid

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I think Mastin should just pm the scum players a list of the roles that are in this game and who has so we can stop wasting time role claiming.

~Bee

I dont think anyone has role claimed?

I feel as though every time I check into this thread a new piece of role based info is shared.
Also claiming survivor is sketchy af and I am not sure how I am supposed to feel about it.

~Bee

read please

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

My win condition does not specify people need to live for me to win. I feel town.
Idk what I am missing here.

I didn't said anything about needing anyonw to live for me to win. luna said that. and luna said that way before this

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

disconnected abr was town in kuribo in wonderland fyi

link me the game

but not really

I have multiple reasons for scumreading that slot and absoloutly no reason for townreading them. Kindda prefer to see their flip more than their posts atm but I'm giving them time to find a stance in the game.

and I do believe my posts are lovely spams if your calling them that so i won't really stop posting them. maybe reducing them ? I'm already trying

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I was telling Frozen I didn't like Titus buddying us all day lol.
She also refused to interact with me. Titus, tip for you on that. That is becoming a scum tell.

~Firebringer

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I can tell you one thing, Stormblade is not with us:
VOTE: Storm Blade

~Firebringer

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I was telling Frozen I didn't like Titus buddying us all day lol.
She also refused to interact with me. Titus, tip for you on that. That is becoming a scum tell.

~Firebringer

Apparently Titus was a red human?
Fucking stupid use of colors I think are part of roles or something, not alignments.

Brilliant mastin.

~Fire

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

How do we know which factions are against/with others?

What useful information do we actually derive from these four flips?

I kind of have to agree with this.

If your win condition isn't know, like who are the enemy factions. You can't play a game.


Its just people doing random shit hoping its for their win condition.

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Read the flavor, consider your own flavor, make an educated guess, go from there.

-Nahdia

That isn't mafia?

Like, I should know if someone was against me or not.

@Mod Please answer if this is against or with the town:
"You win when all threats to the West Empire faction have been eliminated." Is this faction with or against

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ActionDan actually makes a really good point.

-Nahdia

No he doesn't

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ActionDan actually makes a really good point.

-Nahdia

No he doesn't

Yes he does. mastin literally confirmed what "town" and "scum" wincons look like and all the wincons we've seen flipped have been the "town" version.

-Nahdia

Show me the scum win con pls.

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Why are you disagreeing with me saying ActionDan's point is good if you clearly didn't even read it?

-Nahdia

The things that were quoted still tell us nothing.
"Loosely speaking" can be just "hidden" we aren't informed of jack shit.

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Loosely speaking,

there is at least one town faction

. They win if all threats to them are eliminated.
Loosely speaking,

at least one faction is definitely a scum/mafia faction

. They win if they control 50% of the living.

Thats not telling us who are ENEMIES ARE!
That tells us that one faction wants everyone dead.

So is everyone else survivors?

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what gripes ASOIAF is that it's technically possible that the "50% control to win" part is suppressed in a scum flip. I honestly have my doubts if Mastin would be that cruel.

This 100%, the game even states that their 100% ambiguity in alignments for a reasonn and that Win Conditions are not public info.

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I will talk to frozen, this game has like made me go crazy mad.

LIke, I have played in a game where the mod didn't inform anyone on their win cons except scum. Everyone played the game as a survivor and it was a horrible experience.

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Well why didn't you say so, Salty?

Does race indicate alignment?

Not 100%, but it's a big hint. And like I've said, Wulden are a scumfaction.

-Nahdia

Or its just a faction against you scum.

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Read the flavor again and tell me they're not scum. Stop being dense.

-Nahdia

No, I am not reading flavor, because flavor isn't supposed to be anything.
You are trying to manipulate the town.

Theres no where beyond "flavor" that says anything about wulden being scum.

SO yeah, you are scum because I have a scumread on you.
You trying to say otherwise is scummier.

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Or its just a faction against you scum.

I just literally pointed out that flavor points to Wulden being cult that can convert anything including Lycans on Wulden.
Do you not think that's scum?

Oh ok so flavour speculation is the game, cool.

Its not nahdia, is grabbing at straws.
Flavor has never and will never indicate shit.

LOL

No MODERATE IN THEIR RIGHT MIND WOULD USE IT TO GIVE OUT REAL GAME INFO.

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Do we know for a fact that Wulden are Scum?

No.

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Do we know for a fact that Wulden are Scum?

We know they're led by an evil bandit who stole ancient secrets in order to create a mindless army with the goal of world domination. We know they're described physically as horrible demons. We know they may be spying on my faction.

-Nahdia

Scum.

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Firebringer, you're being idiotic. Part of this game IS TO USE THE FLAVOR TO SOLVE THE PUZZLE OF THE WINCONS.

-Nahdia

I refuse to do so, and Id rather see your head on a pike.

Win cons are not supposed to be a puzzle.
Maybe once you flip, I will see the scum faction win con.

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Please do note that, while this is a very flavor-heavy game, I designed it so that it cannot be broken by flavor-claiming.

Flavor doesn't fucking break shit, Nahdia.

Lynch her now.

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I guess this game's way harder than i thought.

Probably because its not a game of mafia.

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@beeboy how your recruit function work?

Are you saying that you are uninformed about the rest of the people in your faction?

Is there a factional killing method as well?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I guess this game's way harder than i thought.

Probably because its not a game of mafia.

If you hate it,

leave

. You're scumreading me because I'm stating the obvious and you don't want it to be true.

-Nahdia

I was scumreading you day 1, so your full of shit.
You tryign to confuse us by telling us the game can be solved by flavor is another fucking lie.

SO how many lies you want to fucking tell us today?

~FIre

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I target a human. Blah blah blah conditions may apply. I get a PT with them and there win condition is converted to mine.

so each of you can individually convert a human?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Frozen can post for awhile.

~Fire

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

answer me beeboy >.>

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@beeboy how your recruit function work?

Are you saying that you are uninformed about the rest of the people in your faction?

Is there a factional killing method as well?

~Ice

I target a human. Blah blah blah conditions may apply. I get a PT with them and

there win condition is converted to mine

.

Uh....

The near exact wording is they become a member of the individual vampire faction.

I see.

So is this the cult mechanic we speak of?

Are you like a third party survivor faction?

Like wha'ts your wincon?

he claimed the exact same faction kuroi was and he claimed there is a factional recruit mechanism go fucking read please

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

VOTE: Salt Squad

explain to me how a factional recruit will work with uninformed members in your next post and how is that suppose to mean town or I'm not moving.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

VOTE: Salt Squad

explain to me how a factional recruit will work with uninformed members in your next post and how is that suppose to mean town or I'm not moving.

~Ice

Everyone in my faction has the ability.
Like it is more of a race thing then anything else I believe.

WHY THE FUCK IN RESPONSE TO A FACTION COP RESULT ON ME WOULD I RESPOND WITH SCUM FLAVOR. LIKE WTF.

Tell me who can everyone if in your faction have a factional recruit ability without knowing who are the others vampires. are they all free to recruit at one night?

to me that seems like a very mass spreader scum faction

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

My win con has the same wording.
I AM NOT A SCUM FACTION AND IF I WAS I WOULDN'T CLAIM IT.

kuroi role pm has a factional restricted part

how can a fucking massive recruit work for not informed faction

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

even to vampire recruit in one night is OP for a faction spescially a claiming town

there is no way I can assume you and kuroi are/were town >.>

@Luna I'm kindda confused what was his race claim and what is his race?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

no scum likes to scumslip

but scumslips happen in a confusing game like this.

whats your point?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I beleive your lieing about your factional recruit function cuase its making no sense and you are an informed faction probably with night kill as well

that seems like something really scum

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

>.>

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I need to go and design the role pm's of my own coming games

will think about this shit later

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

It takes one night to make someone else vampire to continue your way.

poor recruiters

I'm not going to let this pressure change. there are so many wrong things about beeboy claim

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

There are several cult groups I guess based on flavor.

I guess this vampire faction is a simple mafia thing more than a cult

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

You aren't thinking if you think I would honest claim scum in response to a factional claim.

Like I am either isolation faction or town vampire faction. There is no mystical 3rd option.

I am thinking in a game with these confusing wincons and role pm's your tried to show your faction is town.

it doesn't make sense at all. if your lieing about it or not I see that faction as scum

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

WHY AS SCUM WOULD I NOT HAVE A FAKE CLAIM.
WHY AS ISOLATION SCUM WOULD I BE GIVEN A FAKE CLAIM OF ANOTHER SCUM FACTION.
LIKE COME ON FROZEN.

I don't think you used your fake claim cuase you thought you can make us think that faction of yours is town becuase of the way it flipped.

if you were town why the fuck kuroi lied about his race yesterday ?

Who the fuck cnfirmed your an isolated thing? There is no way for an isolated thing to have a FACTIONAL recruit shit

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Based on Kuroi's flip, he was clearly town, ie the Individual Vampire faction is town.

-Nahdia

WHY ?

living above all is a town falvor flip ?

or the redacted factional part is what makes it town?!

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Kuroi was scum

@Expediance HOW can a faction with recruit function be uninformed about their members? how is that factional cult ting even work?

~Ice

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@Frozen


IF I WAS GIVEN A FAKE CLAIM WHY WOULD I THINK I WAS TOWN.
ARE YOU THINKING RIGHT NOW?

YOU DIDN'T THOUGHT YOU ARE TOWN

YOU JUST WANTED US TO THINK THAT

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

OK, ignoring the flavor which I do think is a factor here...
Individual implies no PT. Salt Squad has confirmed this. Why then would a SCUM FACTION have a DOCTOR when they DON'T KNOW THEIR OTHER MEMBERS?

Furthermore, on their recruit, I had an issue with it at first too. But it's not that crazy when you think about it.The factional vampire recruit works thus:

There are a certain number of vampires. They do not know who each other are, or how many there are. Each of them can recruit one extra vampire.

Their extra recruits are plainly balanced by the fact that they 1) Don't have a PT with all other members and quite possibly 2) Are likely small in number to start.

It's not unreasonable.

I'm not ignoring anything.

in flavor he seems he is helping humans but he wants to live above all

individual means no shit.

he claimed recruiter. how recruiter uninformed faction even works

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

we might be in a game with full shit of vampires if we don't eleminate them if that ability is not

factional

and we know the thing they claimed is factional.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

You are horrible at this game.

no

I got one scum and I can see another one flailing right now

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

IF I KNEW I WAS NOT SCUM AND HAD A FAKE CLAIM WHY NOT JUST USE THE FAKE CLAIM YOU AREN'T MAKING SENSE PLS.

YOU DIDN"T USE YOUR FAKE CLAIM CUASE YOU THOUGHT BEING HONSET IS BETTER AND YOU THOUGHT YOU CAN MAKE PEOPLE BELEIVE YOUR TOWN LIKE THE WAY SOME ARE TOWNREADING YOU RIGHT NOW FOR THAT SHIT

like stop rising your voice. if you can answer how is your fucking recrit thing means you can win with us explain

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

You are horrible at this game.

no

I got one scum and I can see another one flailing right now

You are arguing I bussed day 1 and claimed scum day 2 hoping you would think I am town.
I have never seen a worse case then that.

Also explain to me why Kuroi had 0 claim when he was at L-1? If he was scum he would have a fake claim.

it was a 15 player need lynch

yes I am arguning when lynch on kuroi got invintible SC bussed kuroi in a post he called two other person scum and voted kuroi without explaining shit

and yes I can see you doing this huge scum slip

just give up

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Frozen be arguing I claimed scum as scum rather then using a fake claim.
She is also arguing Kuroi is doing the same thing and also didn't have a fake claim.

Woooo.

kuroi claimed human before getting lynched

wtf are you talking about

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

All while the game would state if we where scum we would both have fake claims if we needed them

Wooooooo

I mean I really think your scum for multiple reasons.

thx for the claim though

lets lynch them guys

pedit : why he lied about his race then?

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

You are arguing I am an informed faction when all the other claimed individual race players are saying they are uninformed.

all I know is individual humans are not informed

your faction has a redacted part in role pm

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Kuroi's flavor mentions something about being persecuted for being a vampire. Also, he might have mistakenly thought that he was scum.

so now we assume people town and assume if their thinking wrong their scum

this is hilarious,

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Individual Wulden also just claimed to not be informed try again ^_^

I didn't saw their role pm yet , that's not evidence

for all I know a multiple recruit vampire thingi can't be matched with you guys being uniformed.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I asked that during the night

she resisted to tell me that

and about dram , its simply unknown , she may be town or scum. I believe I'm leaning scum cause that makes sense

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

So go lynch LLD then ^_^
Go lynch Luna and StormBlade as well because didn't they claim to have a factional section of there role pm ^_^
Have fun with that ^_^

I'm having fun lynching scums

they are to many to be handled at once you know.

plus I'm ay more sure about you atm cuase you kindda claimed scum not them

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I dont think this game's as simple as Town/Scum as you think it is.

I am thinking that my faction is town.

there are alies like titus outside of my faction

there are 3p factions who maybe just wanna live

the rest are multiple scum factions

if you know more tell me about it

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I'm not reading dram as scum

I just I don't know how to read that shit

Kuroi was very likly scum and beeboy is scum with him though

thats where I wanna push

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huh

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still I want an explanation for how that recruit function works with details.

how an individual faction - if meaning uninformed - can have a factinal ability ?

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@Nahdia

I didn't ask you

I want to know all the restrictions they have cuase currently a factional recruit function like that make no sense as a town faction

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

actually yeah, I guess that might work in an uninformed faction as well

UNVOTE:

I need to talk wit fire.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

WT are you saying LLD should be lynched for information?

your kidding right?

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

there are several things about LLD that I don't like but the way your sheeping this idea of lynching LLD for information seems like a thrithy scum more than a town scumhunter

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

why was kuroi town math?

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

matian confirmed there is at least one scum faction with requiering a majority to win,

There might be some factions with greater number of people who wants to kill all the enemies of them.

the new human treaty shit seems a bit suspicious flavor wise. undeads and not sure what will win with the new human treaty. I kindda doubt dram was town now that I'm rereading all stuff.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

The feeling that I have to this shit is the exact feeling I had about cerb hydra in saga when they claimed serial killer who can win with town and everyone beleived that shit beside me

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Math why kuroi was town

where is this shit coming from?

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I know there are several town

I know there are several scums

all I know is that kuroi was a race detector individual vampire with a recruit function and SS is very likely with them

there is a reducted factional part there

why being individual make a faction safe for the humanity and a no treat for us?

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I'm saying yes they might not be scum as I was thinking when the day started but there is no shit to outright calling them town.

I don't like whoever is just calling that shit town for no reason

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

They don't feel like a majority

they don't feel like so friendly like the way titus faction flipped.

they flipped with a factional redacted part.

nah not going to assume them town. no one should . Don't repeat the saga frontier madness again for god sake.

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there is no more likly for kuroi to be town

we don't know if the word individual make them a not informed faction

maybe their informed but they have no pt

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

the best way to play this is to assume all the flips with a factional redacted part are considered as a treat unless something else prove otherwise.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

cerb or another head?

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Its worded like "when all the treats to your faction die" how is its similarity to "when all the treats to individual humans faction die" means their town?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

There are four role pm's ; two are definitely town

two of them are critically suspicious and have a redacted part. how on earth would you call one town with no info , just based on those suspicious powerful roles and the similarity of their wincon wording?

pedit : all the thing mod confirmed about wincons is the fact game started with at least one town faction with that wincon and one scum faction with the majority wincon.

I can see both flips as second and thirth scum factions as it stands and I have no reason to believe not.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I don't like anyone who is calling anyone town for having that wncondition

I won't let another saga frontier happen here.

Don't give this faction a free path

~Ice