Gistou (Over!)

[Luna Fox]

i was hoping to random deadline lynch day 1

what

random deadline lynch day 1

seriously what

[Luna Fox]

Please, let's all be nice, im pretty sure everyone would enjoy playing in a non-toxic environment ^_^

Anyways im apparently posting too much so i'll try to lower my post rate to not cause issues to other players.
I've had my internet down all night, got it back up for like a few minutes and now it's back down again, im mostly using phone data as a wifi to post right now, but im not sure how long will it keep up, if it's not fixed in the morning i may need to V/LA

[Luna Fox]

Heartless is like my strongest townread! what are you doing copper. If you knew anything about anti's meta at all, they would be your strongest townread too, the fact that you called meta on anti to scumread him is very very concerning.
Hmm I don't like Klingon's posting either.

[Luna Fox]

Luna my good friend, join me on the RAM wagon please.

Wasn't it RAM who called attention to klingy's posts or was that NR

[Luna Fox]

Vote: RAM

[Luna Fox]

As much as i disagree with what copper's doing, i don't want him dead yet, i want more time to read him.

[Luna Fox]

Vote: RAM

Luna, that vote breaks my heart.

I'm sorry.
I'm having a hard time getting strong town reads this game, but Klingy's something i agree shouldn't be anything near strong town, null at best. Why would anyone have them as strong town?

[Luna Fox]

Oh... that's what i get for not reading every single post in detail after waking up.

Vote: Kuroi

rb why you deceive me.

[Luna Fox]

And now ppl can know why i want more time to read copper.

[Luna Fox]

Why do i even bother

[Luna Fox]

Believe me. I get you're frustrated.

It's even more than frustrated.
As he already claimed, we're on the neighborhood which means that
A) He's scum
or
B) He's the same race as me.

And i shouldnt need to get into why he being B and getting lynched scares the heck outta me.

[Luna Fox]

copper did

[Luna Fox]

Fine let's not waste extra time and once again I have to waste my life cause some of you really should be playing a different game,

I am in the same PT with I could strangle you Luna

, Heartless is scum, RAM is town and shouldn't be allowed outside of rome, Titus I don't care to defend as she has been so bad in my games she might as well be scum by default. Cephrir also basically scum claimed.

Heartless is dead regardless.

[Luna Fox]

Yeah, but the thing is that copper has been very pro-town in my PT, so this kinda makes it hard for me to believe he's actually scum ^^;;
I agree that his points wrt Heartless were pretty bad and i made a comment in the PT about why i think Heartless is town.

[Luna Fox]

Yeah, but the thing is that copper has been very pro-town in my PT, so this kinda makes it hard for me to believe he's actually scum ^^;;
I agree that his points wrt Heartless were pretty bad and i made a comment in the PT about why i think Heartless is town.

Point blank: He needs to be protown where all of us can see it or he will die. It's easier to fool 2 people than 26.

Yeah, i understand.
And i'd be specially happy if he flips scum because then everyone of us in the PT can rest easy
But im too nervous coz being wrong here can be devastating.

[Luna Fox]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how bad is it if we're wrong. Do not explain your response. I am going to trust your assessment of the risk.

1 is we mislynched a VT claimer who was defending all scum
10 is all hope is lost for town.

I'd consider it a 7 or maybe an 8
Specially because of all the slips i already made >.<

[Luna Fox]

Of course, that risk doesnt come without a reward, as i still think it's more likely there's only 1 scum there, so a scum flip would get a bunch of masons.

[Luna Fox]

Im just going to let you guys take the assesment of Risk vs Reward on copper you can ask me anything i know about copper from the PT.
But im too worried about the risk to not try to give them at least more time to form a better read or a PR to catch them.

[Luna Fox]

It's not about activity, it's about the content of his posts.
If you guys think he's scum, i don't mind, but he better be scum because being wrong is pretty bad in this scenario.

[Luna Fox]

Luna, what do YOU think he is?

I think he's town.
This isn't like Stormblade who i thought was making excuses to not scum hunt.

[Luna Fox]

@Luna

If you think it's bad because you assume that would make people take a harder look at you/Stormblade that's both natural and not a particularly big deal. At this rate you're confusing half the town

You're free to ask me about anything from him in the neighborhood.
Summarizing:
He's actively trying to solve the game and figure out who's the scum in our neighborhood.
He's also prodding contentless ppl in the neighborhood for content.
He's also sharing his reads from the main game with us.
And he's also been trying to setup spec about how this whole factions shenanigans works.

[Luna Fox]

@Luna

If you think it's bad because you assume that would make people take a harder look at you/Stormblade that's both natural and not a particularly big deal. At this rate you're confusing half the town

It's not because it would make me look bad.
If he flips scum, then i think everyone else in the neighborhood is town so idc how im even looked at, at that point, so yay i guess?

[Luna Fox]

So if i should do well to read that game.
Link please?
And what am i supposed to be looking at?

[Luna Fox]

Well if you're on phone i guess asking you to link it is a bit harsh.
Anti can you link that please?

[Luna Fox]

Thanks!

[Luna Fox]

Uhh im looking at the playerlist and i don't see anti anywhere?

[Luna Fox]

CultivationTheory

TellTaleHeart
Unless the mod missed something, or im missing something, eh i guess i'll just look through the players on the activity list.

[Luna Fox]

Umm 1 heartless post
I'd think that's more of TTH accidentally posting on her hydra with Anti, there's nothing about Anti on that game.
I shall however offer you:
http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?f=54&t=64043
Anti scum solo.

[Luna Fox]

CultivationTheory

TellTaleHeart
Unless the mod missed something, or im missing something, eh i guess i'll just look through the players on the activity list.

That's the wrong jk9 then, my bad, 1 sec.

Eh dw about it, i think i found it on heartless wiki list as they suggested
P-Edit: Oh well

[Luna Fox]

I'm actually reading this and not believing what im reading.
I feel like i stepped into a bizarro world where anti's actually capable of producing content as scum.

[Luna Fox]

I feel like something inside of me died and i have to actually read anti's posts instead of just a simple "he's motivated/posting content: yes/no" question.

[Luna Fox]

Nah i just read anti's posts and he's still town.

[Luna Fox]

yeah heartless still town.
Tim can also go into the townreads now.

[Luna Fox]

I think the she was referring to Celt.

[Luna Fox]

IF there have been any claims could you share them here for my spreadsheet please?

I have claimed non-human that wins with town, and being in a Neighborhood with other ppl that are either my same race and wincon or scum.
2 People have claimed and i confirmed being part of that Neighborhood, copper and Storm.
Molla has also claimed non-human that wins with town.
A50 has claimed a PGO style role (not exactly a PGO claim, but warning to not be targeted).

I think that's about all.

[Luna Fox]

So the important thing is that there's a Neighborhood with you, Copper, and Stormblade. Almost50 claimed a PGO-variant.

There's more than us 3, but i dont think it's particularly important to know those names right now, specially coz they'd also be non-human (either town or scum) and we all know how all the racial claims are bad as of now.

[Luna Fox]

Oh i also claimed to have slipped my role in the neighborhood at start because at first i thought it was a masonry, Storm and copper can attest to that, im not claiming my role here.

[Luna Fox]

untouchable regardless of scuminess due to risk but not human
Luna, copper, storm blade

I understand the sentiment.
But i'd at least like to know if you have a read on our play. Not just handwaving us because "They are too risky to lynch"

[Luna Fox]

Also your list doesn't have molla anywhere?

[Luna Fox]

For those voting the top two wagons could you give a sentence on why you're willing to lynch your target?

In my case, because Kuroi seems to have completely ignored my existance despite having me as his strongest scumread.

[Luna Fox]

I guess linking the relevant posts would be better:

First off, a three-person Hydra? I just realized this. Fucking what?

Strong Town:
Lean Town: Dramonic, Almost50, Cane and Able, Tim, ASOIAF, RAM, Expedience
Null/Unsorted: Klingoncelt, Titus, Nosferatu, Stormblade, davesaz, Copper, Lady L, RB, Goofball, BBMolla, Toogeloo, Franky
Lean Scum: Heartless, Salt Squad, No Retreat , Cephrir, TWIE
Strong Scum: Wayward Thinker, Luna

BTW, just realized I'm finally playing a game with my old pal, Nero. Hi Nero!

And yes, my list is really undeveloped. I'm aware.

how is luna a strong scum read after all the claims?

~Ice

I haven't seen her claim. I'll reread a bit later on.

Maybe he didnt read them? one of his posts does seem to suggest that he had just woken up at the time.

Maybe he didnt read them? one of his posts does seem to suggest that he had just woken up at the time.

he does that a lot, doesn't he

The claim miss though, that's bad. You'd think he'd have paid attention to the slot that he's most suspicious of. Thanks for giving me the thought here.

Honestly in a game this large i dont find it unlikely to miss a claim.... HOWEVER what has been said as me being one of their biggest scumreads = they should be paying more attention to my posts is true.

Vote: Kuroi

[Luna Fox]

I am concerned that there isn't any pressure in the direction of ABR after his whole. "I can't scum hunt in thread or in my private hood because cults"

Yeah, wherever did that go =/
Tbf tho, ABR's been a lil bit more active, tho i dont think it can actually be called scumhunting.

[Luna Fox]

I am concerned that there isn't any pressure in the direction of ABR after his whole. "I can't scum hunt in thread or in my private hood because cults"

What's not to understand? He's sad that I crushed town in Bloodborne under my eldritch boot and is having trouble getting invested again.

-Nahdia

Then why did he in and made a big deal about wanting to be in a 3 headed hydra... just to not do anything?

[Luna Fox]

Weren't you town in Tarot?

[Luna Fox]

Tarot?

it was directed at Ceph

[Luna Fox]

Oh you meant games with Titus.
NEVERMIND.

[Luna Fox]

the thing is that i never mentioned you were super active in the PT, i just said you were very pro-town in the PT and i explained why, i dont even know where the notion of you being very active in the PT came from.
From what i have seen the activity level is similar, but with less posts in the PT it looks like more.

[Luna Fox]

Umm guys...
Meta arguments are fine and all, but...
I think you're going a bit over the top discussing another game ^_^;;

[Luna Fox]

Speaking of WT.
Where did they dissapear to?

[Luna Fox]

I love how you accidentally put your expedience read inside my read.

[Luna Fox]

Is it bad that i actually read the whole thing?

[Luna Fox]

Nah it's fine.
I'm just wondering who else had enough time to do it

[Luna Fox]

Speaking of their reads anyway, i dont understand why Kuroi gives them gut town, when Kuroi is giving me gut scum.
Not to mention they completely ignoring their super scumread.
And i see no mention of this in Math's read list.

[Luna Fox]

Not to mention they completely ignoring their super scumread.

This was referring to Kuroi, not Math

(dam unusual pronouns)

[Luna Fox]

Fucking hell. I'm reading Kuroi's ISO again to see if I can independently understand why he is scummy like everyone else apparently does.

Please let me know if you find something, but I've got nothing.

This is true, you've got nothing... because you've done nothing all game.

LOL

[Luna Fox]

I have a bad feeling about this sudden surge of votes on Klingon.

Correct me if im wrong but when i read the reasoning seemed to be something about she thinking Kuroi was CW to WT but then thinking Kuroi was scum (or was that in reverse?)

[Luna Fox]

I have changed my mind on Kuroi and Expedience. I still have Kuroi on my Scum list, but he''s not paired with Expedience, WT, and No Retreat. He's on a different team.

Oh this is where i saw it.

I'm also no longer sure that Titus is Town. She's fishing too much for information. As Town she usually demands that everyone keep their shit a secret until it's time for the popcorn claim.

Is this true? (From someone that isnt Kligny ofc).

She said she changed her mind, but im going to see if she said that in response to the accusation or that's where the accusation came from. Just posting this for now as food for thought.

[Luna Fox]

The why my case on you getting traction?

Well this seems to imply since it was an issue since before she said that post.

[Luna Fox]

I really dislike all these "I'm only good on Day X onwards"
FMPoV everyone should try their best D1 because that's the only time they're guaranteed to be alive.
Looking back on Klingy's posts i dont like them.
But i don't see why she's scummier than Kuroi on that matter, who's just sitting around spouting reads and not even reading the posts his scumreads make.

[Luna Fox]

On a scale of 1 to 10, how sure are you she'll flip scum.
Sorry if im asking too much, but you guys (and specially you Titus) seem very confident.

[Luna Fox]

Yeah, while i think it's bad, the sudden surge of votes is giving me a bad feeling and i'd think short of scumslipping that usually shouldn't be happening.
Don't think it makes Klingon town since it's multiball, but im currently more comfortable with Kuroi as scum.

I think Klingon's being pretty strongly pushed at the very least by someone on the same faction as Kuroi or someone in the same faction as Kuroi took the chance to generate ghe wagon, and more data isnt bad.

[Luna Fox]

This post brought to you by Fensofas, number 1 provider in chairs and fences this side of the Atlantic.

Haha this made me laugh XD

[Luna Fox]

It's not that im too out there, but when ppl in my neighborhood are making themselves target is kinda hard to force myself to ignore because ppl in my neighborhood already hate me for outing too much information >.<

[Luna Fox]

As it stands, my neighborhood is stressing me out more than this thread.
I have a hard time giving opinions on them because it's a big risk lynching any and being wrong.
And i bet this post is going to make them even more mad at me.

I'm just gonna take a break from this game.

[Luna Fox]

what did i just read.

[Luna Fox]

I think im just going to erase from my memory the last couple of pages.
I can't process what is going on.

[Luna Fox]

I mean... it's not too hard:

...Yet

a fifth faction

lurks in the shadows...a faction with an entirely foreign motive, one which sparked the war in the first place.

[Luna Fox]

Oh i never said it'd be a good one.
But i think the ammount of factions in general is plain as day there.

[Luna Fox]

So im going to erase from my memory the last page too.
Kuroi is still scum.
Let's kill him.

[Luna Fox]

So im going to erase from my memory the last page too.
Kuroi is still scum.
Let's kill him.

Will you kill Frozen Angel after you realize I'm not scum?

Why's FA scum?
Without "she's saying this exact word that she also did in scum games" stuff

[Luna Fox]

I used psychology to prove why she is most likely scum?

Two questions now:
1. Do you believe that psychology is not a major component in Mafia?
2. Will you answer my question please?

In the supposed scenario in which you'd flip town.

For me to sheep your reads they need merit, in your posting, what i've seen doesnt merit a sheep. So I asked you a question.
Come up with my answer to your question from this. And come up with an answer towards my question if you want a favorable answer.

[Luna Fox]

Yeah Luna it's psychology god how can you possibly argue w that

Totally!

[Luna Fox]

I feel like my words are going to end up empty in the air anyways, but might as well try you know!

[Luna Fox]

You're interacting with Kuroi, so...

Yeah, that's why.

[Luna Fox]

Hi LQ!

[Luna Fox]

Shut up dram.
I feel like his frustration is genuine.

[Luna Fox]

Hi LQ!

yes?

It kinda saddens me to see you like that, have you tried just reading the last few pages instead and asking in case you missed something.

[Luna Fox]

Dunno, it sounds to me like he wants to contirbute but cant.
I kinda feel his frustration from all the way over here.

[Luna Fox]

My gut tells me you guys are wrong about WT really.
It's probably biased because his frustration is kinda killing me inside.
But...

I feel bad for him.

@LQ: How about instead you interact with people instead of reading that many pages.

[Luna Fox]

If you really get your reads by interaction, playing catchup you're not going to get any good ones, you're like me in that sense i suppose.

[Luna Fox]

Seriously guys, this is town frustration.

[Luna Fox]

A quick serch of Suzune's posts show that she's V/LA until Monday.
So i'm pretty sure this is LQ.

[Luna Fox]

I kinda want to create a confortable environment fo LQ, so that he can produce more content.

Besides, i kinda dont feel like lynching him ever after that frustration.

[Luna Fox]

I always strived for creating non toxic environments in the games i play so everyone can play at their best.

I guess I failed.

WT's been bleeding town in his last few posts, that's town frustration... I was ignored.

I feel like i'm useless now.

[Luna Fox]

I mean, if you ever feel frustrated or feel like you wanna punch something.
Just read my signature ^_^

[Luna Fox]

There's an 80% chance rb mentions percentages again in future posts.

[Luna Fox]

I don't even know what VI means.

Village Idiot

[Luna Fox]

So wake whatever happened with this:

For those voting the top two wagons could you give a sentence on why you're willing to lynch your target?

In my case, because Kuroi seems to have completely ignored my existance despite having me as his strongest scumread.

In general if you have someone as a strong Scumread you don't ever ignore that player. Kuroi, I'd like to hear your side please.

[Luna Fox]

Can you rephrase the question so I can understand you're asking me?

I told you why i was scumreading Kuroi and you agreed that it was scummy but needed to hear Kuroi's side of the story.
I also provided relevant quotes from that time.
I still have yet to hear an answer from you about it.

[Luna Fox]

Can you rephrase the question so I can understand you're asking me?

I told you why i was scumreading Kuroi and you agreed that it was scummy but needed to hear Kuroi's side of the story.
I also provided relevant quotes from that time.
I still have yet to hear an answer from you about it.

If you were respecting a response, you should have stated you wanted it.

I'm not a gumball machine. You don't put a quarter in and get a Dubble Bubble in return.

Getting feedback is nice, but I don't demand to always have it in response to my posts.

And if you were assuming to get feedback, that's certainly not a question to be answered. If it were a question you still haven't provided one, so if it IS out there lost in the ether I suggest you go get it or you start modifying your approach with me.

Yeah yeah yada yada. You could have stopped with just the first sentence, the rest was unnecessary, i wasn't demanding a response, im still waiting for it and was reminding you of that in case you had forgotten.

[Luna Fox]

Why are you pre-emptevely ad homing me like you think im going to be a jerk and not go and fetch it myself?
If i am interested in your reply obviously im going to go grab it, all you need is ask.
2646

[Luna Fox]

Luna and Wake looks like TvT.

This isn't a

v

anything.

It's a

lesson

.

Apparently you need an lesson in courtesy and manners however ^_^

[Luna Fox]

How about you provide a reason that doesn't require another game for scum reading Kuroi

I shall also point you in the direction of: 2646

[Luna Fox]

I have a bad feeling about this sudden surge of votes on Klingon.

Correct me if im wrong but when i read the reasoning seemed to be something about she thinking Kuroi was CW to WT but then thinking Kuroi was scum (or was that in reverse?)

So who are you scum reading right now and why? I see you saying "I town read X" (paraphrase) all day after pushing various lynches.

How about you provide a reason that doesn't require another game for scum reading Kuroi

I shall also point you in the direction of: 2646

Are you just ignoring me now?

[Luna Fox]

Maybe Math's scum then.

[Luna Fox]

If memory serves you think Kuroi is showing town frustration. So who are you scum reading?

WT's showing town frustration.
Stop misreading my posts pls

[Luna Fox]

Seriously guys, this is town frustration.

My apologies then. The prior post was Kuroi's

Well i was talking about LQ, which is a WT head and all my posts refer to him as LQ or WT.
Kinda hard to miss, but i guess it can be missed.
Apology accepted.

[Luna Fox]

All your reasons suck fwiw.

Not.
Helping.

[Luna Fox]

I wish i had Nacho's charisma right now

[Luna Fox]

Titus Jul 11, 09:11am Jul 15, 10:12pm 0 days 0 hours 315
Luna Fox Jul 11, 09:42am Jul 15, 10:06pm 0 days 0 hours 299

Ooops

[Luna Fox]

Wayward Thinker - 8 (

dramonic

,

Tim

, rb,

Salt Squad

, davesaz,

Heartless

, Nosferatu,

BBMolla

)

There im coloring my townreads on the wagon.
I usually have a hard time scumreading people, which is why i usually operate by townhunting, making it hard to me to find accurate townreads in multiball, one of the reasons i singed here was to try to overcome that weakness but it isnt going very well so far ^^;;

[Luna Fox]

Thing is im townreading WT because that felt like town frustration, and i dont like voting ppl im townreading.

[Luna Fox]

I'm asking Luna to confirm he is in that PT alongside the claimed 3 members,

Why would i confirm something like that whether true or false?

as well as tell us if there any other members w/o outing who they are.

Why are you interested in this information?

[Luna Fox]

1- Why is Heartless town to you?
2- Why is Kuroi scum?
(In 3-4 sentences of your own composition, please)

Heartless is town because half gut, half because i dont think this is anti's scum game, so i guess full gut?
Kuroi is scum because he's not paying attention to what his strongest scumread is doing.

1- Because he already claimed something similar to you, duh! If he's not in your PT he's highly suspicious. Do you think we have TWO non-human groups who are both aligned with town?

2- Same reason, but in reverse. If there are only 4 of you then you only have 1 scum in the PT. If you have like 6 you may have 2 or even 3 (of different factions though). It would make it easier for me to pick the odd one out if there were only 4 of you than it would be to pick the 2/3 out of 6/7/8 (although I feel like I'm stretching it with 8 in one PT I think there should be 4-6 in there).

Sorry, but i'll take the liberty of staying quiet right now.

my neighborhood already hate me for outing too much information >.<

[Luna Fox]

Also someone else sees that WT is town, good thing im not crazy then.

[Luna Fox]

Oh i misread, maybe im actually crazy then ^_^;;

[Luna Fox]

his frustration felt townie to me.

[Luna Fox]

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 6#p8121636 start from here, granted that's not the specific post that gave me the vibe, but it's better for you to read the whole story.

[Luna Fox]

@luna so you think he is legitly frustrated about catching up in this large game what about it is making him town?

I feel like he wants to scumhunt but cant because he's always playing catchup and he gets reads from interactions.

[Luna Fox]

Resignation and frustration are symptoms of being wagoned. They both are NAI to use the new lingo.

I disagree, people make more AI posts when being close to lynch than anything else.

[Luna Fox]

so you think WT didn't scumhunt at all so far? what were they doing then in your preview. what is a catching up?

Catching up is replying to things that happened pages ago, and trying to get reads out of those.
He did say works better in real time interactions.

[Luna Fox]

You'll do a lot of mislynches if you keep thinking that only scum wont act townie in your standards then.
There are more ways to be town, than just not making shit cases or bad reads.
Heck, if anything town's more prone to being stupid than scum.

[Luna Fox]

so you think WT didn't scumhunt at all so far? what were they doing then in your preview. what is a catching up?

Catching up is replying to things that happened pages ago, and trying to get reads out of those.
He did say works better in real time interactions.

He never referenced me in his catchups once and I had the most material that he could argue against (if he so chose)

Have you been there when he's interacting in real time
(and even then that's quite a stretch with the ammount of people in this game)

[Luna Fox]

You'll do a lot of mislynches if you keep thinking that only scum wont act townie in your standards then.
There are more ways to be town, than just not making shit cases or bad reads.
Heck, if anything town's more prone to being stupid than scum.

nah by keeping myself paranoid enough I won't let someone get credit for what they didn't done / deserve , keeping my eyes open to further slips if their scum.

I won't call not scummy town and I won't particpate in any not sorted weird townblock and won't approve any weird moonlogicy townreads. ever

~Ice

If you want logic
Why does Scum!WT Vote Klingy and keep pushing for her lynch instead of Kuroi?
He's obviously not playing for survival.

[Luna Fox]

You'll do a lot of mislynches if you keep thinking that only scum wont act townie in your standards then.
There are more ways to be town, than just not making shit cases or bad reads.
Heck, if anything town's more prone to being stupid than scum.

nah by keeping myself paranoid enough I won't let someone get credit for what they didn't done / deserve , keeping my eyes open to further slips if their scum.

I won't call not scummy town and I won't particpate in any not sorted weird townblock and won't approve any weird moonlogicy townreads. ever

~Ice

If you want logic
Why does Scum!WT Vote Klingy and keep pushing for her lynch instead of Kuroi?
He's obviously not playing for survival.

I don't see how that's alignment indicative.

Because scum are more survivalistic than town, they would have no problem trying to get Kuroi lynching with the ammount of support there, and it's the only other wagon that has any legs right now, yet they chose to stay on Klingy.

So since it's not alignment indicative, tell me what's the scum motivation behind such action, because i see none.

[Luna Fox]

was it suz who voted kling or LQ ?

LQ mentioned Suz hasnt been here since Monday, so i assume it was him.

[Luna Fox]

whatevered

This word made me laugh XD

[Luna Fox]

VCA is a tool, not a holy grail.

[Luna Fox]

And just like all tools, it depends on the skill of the person that uses it.

[Luna Fox]

Well yeah VCA made me lynch incorrectly on LyLo, so, since then i dont blindly follow it like i used to ^_^;;

[Luna Fox]

No one, not even scum, knows for certain if someone will flip town.
Just saying.
Tho maybe rb forgetting this is multiball makes him kinda towny?

[Luna Fox]

No one, not even scum, knows for certain if someone will flip town.
Just saying.
Tho maybe rb forgetting this is multiball makes him kinda towny?

You can just read it as scum/not-scum.

The point is more to do with whether or not Ice knows the alignments of another player or not, as opposed to whether they flip town specifically.

Still, the only alignment she can know is (in her team/not in her team/unknown), unless there's some sort of Masonry between the 2, which would be the only way for her to know he's town, but then, she wouldn't be voting him.
So i don't see your point there.

[Luna Fox]

It's actually really really easy to metadive for a phrase.
Advanced search -> user: frozen angel -> post contain: shit
Result: all the instances of shit in a frozen post.

If that's what he did, then it's more likely for Kuroi to be lying on purpose about meta, which means he's more likely scum.

[Luna Fox]

The point is that if Kuroi was on her team she'd still know one of their alignments and Kuroi could be a bus to earn townpoints since he pretty much looked like the go-to lynch anyway. I have no idea but I'm assuming the scum teams in a 28 player game are at least like 4-5 people so it's not exactly strange to think that they'd bus on Day 1.

Oh, i was talking about the 2nd part of your post where you said that she could know that Kuroi was going to flip town.

[Luna Fox]

Everyone's going to say, "I'm town." Town say it. Scum say it. Cult say it. Serial Killer's say it. Why should I care that she says it?

So. It's NAI
Why are you caring then?

[Luna Fox]

Because Ice seems to be saying it as if it should make me think she's more town.

She's not.
Read her posts again.
You're the one interpreting it as such.

[Luna Fox]

Also stop dodging her questions by overfocusing on this.

[Luna Fox]

The funny thing is that you're saying that was her intention, when it really wasn't. Yet it somehow made you elevate her from null-scum to null, so i would say that it's causing more of a psychological effect on your read, on something that you... supposedly shouldn't be caring about?

P-Edit: @rb

[Luna Fox]

Also stop dodging her questions by overfocusing on this.

The funny thing is that you're saying that was her intention, when it really wasn't. Yet it somehow made you elevate her from null-scum to null, so i would say that it's causing more of a psychological effect on your read, on something that you... supposedly shouldn't be caring about?

P-Edit: @rb

What. The. Actual. Fuck. Luna?

I didn't say I'm reading her null because of the town thing, I said I'm reading her null again in the post where I mentioned that yes, she does seem consistent. I still don't know how hard it is to fake but I'm not scum-leaning on her anymore. Also, there's two people who keep asking me questions about the thing I said, which I've now explained at least 3 times - I'm not the one focussing on it, other people are asking me/questioning me about it. In my eyes I was just highlighting a thing said by Ice that literally any alignment could say: AT THE SAME TIME AS NULL-READING HER.

I mean yeah, how fucking weird that I'm null-reading a person who says things that I feel like any alignment could say, right?

Oh i misunderstood then.

[Luna Fox]

Oh i misunderstood then.

The funny thing is that i was trying to look for the post that gave me the misunderstanding, and i could've sworn rb at some point said that they were reading song as null instead of null scum somewhere near a page top, but i can no longer find it, so i guess i probably read someone else and thought it was rb for some reason.

[Luna Fox]

Luna I haven't really read the last 20-30 pages of this game should I go back and read them or did nothing happen?

~Bee

your other head voted Kuroi.
I made a defense of WT.

My guess is that both of those things are important to you.

[Luna Fox]

Well my defense shortened is that WT's playstyle isnt being survivalistic despite all the scumreads on him, also the gut town i felt with his frustration.
For the longer version you'll eventually find it in my posts in the thread.

[Luna Fox]

You're welcome! ^_^

[Luna Fox]

If you want logic
Why does Scum!WT Vote Klingy and keep pushing for her lynch instead of Kuroi?
He's obviously not playing for survival.

Erm.. um.. cuz they're both the same faction?? neither of them is voting the other, actually!

That doesnt make sense coz they were X-Voting before, and i think it was Exp or someone else, made posts showing that they were very unlikely same faction.
So no.

[Luna Fox]

Her V/LA needs to end first tho.

[Luna Fox]

LQ, you're not dying right now.

[Luna Fox]

I think using code tags might be a good idea.

Code: Select all

[post]692[/post]

692

Magic!

[Luna Fox]

EDIT: I could lynch Ice right now.

Why?

[Luna Fox]

Loosely speaking, there is at least one town faction. They win if all threats to them are eliminated.

My win condition also explicitly states about eliminating said threats.
It's not rocket science.

Did you not receive something like that in yours that you had to ask?

(Granted i haven't asked myself, i just did just to test if what you're saying is true)

[Luna Fox]

@Luna yes the win condition is you will win if all the threats to

my faction

are eleminated.

So you dont win when all threats to the humanity thing are eliminated?
Only to your faction?

[Luna Fox]

I'm actually thinking that i'm the one that's a modified survivor now.
Considering i need ppl with my same wincon alive to win and do i even know if i can trust anyone in my neighborhood to have it?
Yet apparently i must help town win AND survive.

And considering the role slip in the neighborhood
rip me, gg.

[Luna Fox]

I think Mastin should just pm the scum players a list of the roles that are in this game and who has so we can stop wasting time role claiming.

~Bee

I dont think anyone has role claimed?

[Luna Fox]

Franky's been prodded out afaik.

[Luna Fox]

I think it was because of ASOIAF.

[Luna Fox]

I'm a doctor from the North. Human for what it's worth.

and it also says I'm a racial checker.

Wait, you can actually be both of these?

[Luna Fox]

I thought having a more powerful checker wouldnt be paired with a PR, but ok.

[Luna Fox]

I mean, that is indeed the question we all must ask ourselves. It's possible though, there isn't anything that says that can't be the case.

Yeah i guess i misunderstood that part in the mechanics, i thought PRs existed that could do stronger checks, not that ppl could have a stronger check irrelevant to whatever PR they had.

[Luna Fox]

Unvote

I just thought about it, and regardless of whether he's actually telling the truth or not, he's just painted a big [TARGET] mark on him considering this is Multiball, i dont think we need to do the scum's job for them.

[Luna Fox]

Yeah, but if he's lying, he's making scum want to NK him, whether he's scum and another scum team shoots him or he's town and a scumteam shoots him.

If he's scum and gets NK'd, then great, scum just cross shot and more townies alive tomorrow, if he's town, then welp, he already had it coming after being driven to claim.

P-Edit: Are you sure?

[Luna Fox]

there's still a section that says you are [blank]

You mean he's not claiming his faction?

[Luna Fox]

I'll trust Titus and Ceph

Vote: Kuroi

[Luna Fox]

He's at L-2 tho?

[Luna Fox]

LLD never voted him, so he should be at L-1 right now

[Luna Fox]

Well he already claimed Human, if he's telling the truth what makes you think he wont get culled.

[Luna Fox]

Welp that's a hammer.

[Luna Fox]

Math, i think you might wanna hurry with whatever you're doing.

[Luna Fox]

So i take it Kuroi was scum?
I'm not sure on the rest, but i think Molla was town.

[Luna Fox]

Sorry im still kinda processing all the info.
They are similar yeah.

[Luna Fox]

So one of the members of my neighborhood.
Has found out that Salt Squad is part of some Isolationist faction?

What the heck is even that.

[Luna Fox]

the difference between yours and Dram's win con that prevent you from concluding he is town.

the word "new"

[Luna Fox]

So one of the members of my neighborhood.
Has found out that Salt Squad is part of some Isolationist faction?

What the heck is even that.

Ya I have no idea what this is btw.

~Bee

Uh what, it's your faction, isnt it?

[Luna Fox]

You already got faction cop'd what else do you want to happen?

P-Edit: Are you sure?

[Luna Fox]

The scan goes after any culling, so even if you got culled that would be your new faction, and i think you might be lying.

[Luna Fox]

Do you realize that was a faction claim.

[Luna Fox]

The scan goes after any culling, so even if you got culled that would be your new faction, and i think you might be lying.

Did your cop claim before night actions where made?

They claimed after they got their result.

[Luna Fox]

What if i told you that our faction cop is strong willed?

[Luna Fox]

Are you sure you didnt get culled overnight.

[Luna Fox]

Not really:

This cult, the Wulden, had all willingly undergone the process of lycanthropy. Things only got worse. Already an even match for the hunters, Dmitri was able to uncover a dark secret from the eastern kingdom, utilizing a mad science to recreate a long-since forgotten process to turn anything considered living into an unstoppable undead killing machine...including lycans.

Besides there's also:

Oh, and one more thing...There is a cult faction this game. Be warned. Nothing is known about it.

[Luna Fox]

That I have no idea, you should know since we got your faction and you keep lying about it.

[Luna Fox]

That I have no idea, you should know since we got your faction and you keep lying about it.

I am a part of the INDIVIDUAL VAMPIRE FACTION.
Someone can just race cop me to confirm that.

That doesnt confirm you didnt get culled into the Cult Faction, nothing is known about them, they may as well convert whatever and just change it into their faction without altering their race for all i know.
All I know is that you're lying about your faction whether it's always been yours or it's your current one.

The Isolationist name sounds kinda awkward for a cult faction tho i admit.

[Luna Fox]

Show me the scum win con pls.

It's on the mechanics post:

Loosely speaking, at least one faction is definitely a scum/mafia faction. They win if they control 50% of the living.

[Luna Fox]

That doesnt confirm you didnt get culled into the Cult Faction, nothing is known about them, they may as well convert whatever and just change it into their faction without altering their race for all i know.
All I know is that you're lying about your faction whether it's always been yours or it's your current one.

The Isolationist name sounds kinda awkward for a cult faction tho i admit.

Or your cop isn't strong willed and you are completely bullshitting me right now ^_^

You're smart...
I just wanted to eliminate the possibility of redirection, but since you saw through it i guess i got no other choice than to not believe your actions.

[Luna Fox]

You're smart...
I just wanted to eliminate the possibility of redirection, but since you saw through it i guess i got no other choice than to not believe your actions.

What.

they do also have another check.
We massclaimed our stuff in the neighborhood, and they got a correct check on the second one.

We either got extremly unlucky, or you're lying.

[Luna Fox]

I've mostly been interrogating you to eliminate the possibility of Isolationist being scum, but considering you keep lying im bound to think it's a scum faction.

Vote: Salt Squad

Either that or it was an extremely unlucky redirect.

[Luna Fox]

I'm not lying about anything.
What are the chances of a redirection happening that coincides also with the same Nation/Location as someone in the hood?

[Luna Fox]

I think you dont understand what i meant
Faction Cop went to you.
Nation/Location cop went to someone in the hood where we already massclaimed that info.

What are the chances of Nation/Location being the same on the target we got redirected to?
The chances are... pretty low.
I dont think our cop got redirected.

[Luna Fox]

Well finding a Wulden is already good.
They are scum.

Vote: LLD

Sorry for grilling you i wanted to make 100% sure we werent redirected.

[Luna Fox]

Or its just a faction against you scum.

I just literally pointed out that flavor points to Wulden being cult that can convert anything including Lycans on Wulden.
Do you not think that's scum?

[Luna Fox]

That's funny because I'm an individual Wulden, and I targetted you last ngiht and found out you're a 2 shot BP with a "Other" Nation.

Hmm... this is weird.

[Luna Fox]

I'm either with you or I'm a spy for another faction. Namely, the Wulden faction.

^
This, is correct.

[Luna Fox]

Well at least this means that Storm's not the spy.
I doubt Wulden would lynch Wulden.

[Luna Fox]

Wulden are, at the very least, enemies of the human treaty, that much i know.

[Luna Fox]

Maybe once you flip, I will see the scum faction win con.

You wont
She and me cant literally be both scum, And the scum spying on us is Wulden.
So either she's Wulden too with LLD, or she's with town.

[Luna Fox]

Like my win con specifically talks about winning with humans, and I don't know how much I can say but there's a treaty I'm meant to protect.

Wait what?

[Luna Fox]

So there's Wulden with us then? Now im even more confused

Unvote

[Luna Fox]

I guess this game's way harder than i thought.

[Luna Fox]

Like I don't know how much I'm allowed to say without being modkilled so like.... I dunno? what do you want to know?

Look at dram's flip and tell me if his wincon is similar to yours or not.

[Luna Fox]

The game was labelled as bastard, i wouldnt disregard the possibility of a good Wulden existing.
Otherwise Race cop would be as OP as our Faction cop.

[Luna Fox]

Uh wait, but cant scum get fake role PMs anyway.

[Luna Fox]

It is weird how the individual vampire and human wincon is different from the individual wulden one :/

It is more weird, that it seems to align with MINE, but different.
SPECIALLY knowing that our spy must be Wulden.

[Luna Fox]

Tinfoil theory:
LLD is scum and has a fake claim, but since her race got caught, was forced to change it to Individual Wulden.
But on the off chance im wrong, she may be our ally so... ughhh

[Luna Fox]

Well technically you claimed somethign ALREADY FLIPPED, after being FACTION COP'd.

[Luna Fox]

If she's not reading the thread how did she even see a Wulden racial scan on her.

[Luna Fox]

(Not saying she's not scum, but i doubt she's not actually reading XD)

[Luna Fox]

My win con has the same wording.
I AM NOT A SCUM FACTION AND IF I WAS I WOULDN'T CLAIM IT.

kuroi role pm has a factional restricted part

how can a fucking massive recruit work for not informed faction

~Ice

HEY
YOU REALIZE
WE GOT A FACTION COP SCAN ON SS
AND IT SAID A DIFFERENT FACTION THAN WHAT THEY CLAIMED!

[Luna Fox]

Well technically you claimed somethign ALREADY FLIPPED, after being FACTION COP'd.

If I was scum why would I not use a mod given fake claim. How would I get the knowledge of the redacted part of the Kuroi flip if I wasn't a vampire myself.
Come on Luna

Easy:

Each faction, if possessing a non-human race, has a one-shot ability to recruit a human to their faction. Emphasis "human". This ability will fail if more than one faction attempts this on the same target. This ability does not work on all humans. Regardless of success or failure, this ability is used up once activated. (The recruiter will be informed if they fail, but not the reason why.) In short, only the unluckiest of humans will get culled. It can happen, though, so be cautious!

[Luna Fox]

If I had to fake claim something why not use a mod given fake claim?

Well I DONT KNOW, you probably did get a fake claim, that's why you wanted to get my answer before answering my question since the faction cop took you offguard.

All of these are mostly tinfoil theories however.

[Luna Fox]

@Luna I'm kindda confused what was his race claim and what is his race?

He's claiming individual vampire
But we got a scan of Isolationist or something like that for his faction.

[Luna Fox]

What if "Individual Vampire" was your fake claim.
I mean you said:

Kuroi was town I believe.

[Luna Fox]

Exp gets it.