Gistou (Over!)

[Salt Squad]

Nahdia being deliberately ambiguous here is scummy af.

[Salt Squad]

So one of the members of my neighborhood.
Has found out that Salt Squad is part of some Isolationist faction?

What the heck is even that.

Before I answer this I want you to tell me the difference between yours and Dram's win con that prevent you from concluding he is town.

~Bee

[Salt Squad]

So one of the members of my neighborhood.
Has found out that Salt Squad is part of some Isolationist faction?

What the heck is even that.

Ya I have no idea what this is btw.

~Bee

[Salt Squad]

Uh what, it's your faction, isnt it?

I don't want to faction claim.

~Bee

[Salt Squad]

also no it isn't.

[Salt Squad]

You already got faction cop'd what else do you want to happen?

P-Edit: Are you sure?

I share the same win condition with Kuroi. That is as far as I want to claim.

~Bee

[Salt Squad]

The scan goes after any culling, so even if you got culled that would be your new faction, and i think you might be lying.

Did your cop claim before night actions where made?

[Salt Squad]

Do you realize that was a faction claim.

Yes I just realized my factional ability isn't known so it's fine that's what I was worried about.

I thought I was 3rd at first but the mod said I wouldn't need a fake claim so I am 99% sure I am town along with the Kuroi flip.

[Salt Squad]

What if i told you that our faction cop is strong willed?

That wouldn't be possible.

~Bee

[Salt Squad]

Are you sure you didnt get culled overnight.

Only humans can be culled so try again.

[Salt Squad]

I feel very vampiric right now.
Also who would Cull us ._.

[Salt Squad]

That I have no idea, you should know since we got your faction and you keep lying about it.

I am a part of the INDIVIDUAL VAMPIRE FACTION.
Someone can just race cop me to confirm that.

[Salt Squad]

That doesnt confirm you didnt get culled into the Cult Faction, nothing is known about them, they may as well convert whatever and just change it into their faction without altering their race for all i know.
All I know is that you're lying about your faction whether it's always been yours or it's your current one.

The Isolationist name sounds kinda awkward for a cult faction tho i admit.

Or your cop isn't strong willed and you are completely bullshitting me right now ^_^

[Salt Squad]

You're smart...
I just wanted to eliminate the possibility of redirection, but since you saw through it i guess i got no other choice than to not believe your actions.

What.

[Salt Squad]

A50 if I was scum why wouldn't mastin give me a scum fake claim.
If I am scum why would I just respond to a fake faction cop allegation by claiming a scum win condition.

[Salt Squad]

You're smart...
I just wanted to eliminate the possibility of redirection, but since you saw through it i guess i got no other choice than to not believe your actions.

What.

they do also have another check.
We massclaimed our stuff in the neighborhood, and they got a correct check on the second one.

We either got extremly unlucky, or you're lying.

I think you are lying to me honestly. Like wtf.

Pedit: Yes... >_>

[Salt Squad]

I can't be scum because I don't know who my allies where at the start of the game.
Unless I am some shit tier scum faction that needs to soft claim scum to find my buddies.

[Salt Squad]

That also doesn't receive fake claims.

[Salt Squad]

So you don't have a PT, but you do have a recruit...?

-Nahdia

I literally just said yes to this question.

[Salt Squad]

I've mostly been interrogating you to eliminate the possibility of Isolationist being scum, but considering you keep lying im bound to think it's a scum faction.

Vote: Salt Squad

Either that or it was an extremely unlucky redirect.

Cut the bs pls.

[Salt Squad]

I'm not lying about anything.
What are the chances of a redirection happening that coincides also with the same Nation/Location as someone in the hood?

Northern Tribes.
Great Lake.
Vampire.

I haven't claimed my other info yet.

[Salt Squad]

Well the thing is that, if you can recruit, so could Kuroi, and that's kinda of amazing to be honest. It would seem overpowered to me. But maybe recruiting is super hard. I dunno.

They must be human, I have 1-shot but I have a racecop to find humans.
My target on day 1 was LLD was a wulden.

[Salt Squad]

"Individual" implies no PT. Presumably, the Individual Vampire Faction's only factional PT is the recruit. How does that work; every vampire gets to recruit?

-Nahdia

I am given a PT with my partner yes.
Also my win con doesn't require me to be alive so me and Kuroi are potentially the only vampires.

[Salt Squad]

I think you dont understand what i meant
Faction Cop went to you.
Nation/Location cop went to someone in the hood where we already massclaimed that info.

What are the chances of Nation/Location being the same on the target we got redirected to?
The chances are... pretty low.
I dont think our cop got redirected.

Honestly I don't know what you want out of me.
I have given you all the information in my role.

There is honestly nothing I can do here and it's really frustrating and unfair :/

[Salt Squad]

Well why didn't you say so, Salty?

Does race indicate alignment?

[Salt Squad]

Well why didn't you say so, Salty?

Does race indicate alignment?

Not 100%, but it's a big hint. And like I've said, Wulden are a scumfaction.

-Nahdia

I don't think LLD is scum though I want to give her a chance to claim before I decide anything. I did explicitly role cop LLD because i thought she was a human and wanted to convert her so we could become masons.

[Salt Squad]

Err I am tempted to lynch Storm before LLD honestly I don't think a race cop is incriminating on its own.
Seems really powerful since we have like 3 race cop claims so far.

[Salt Squad]

Well at least this means that Storm's not the spy.
I doubt Wulden would lynch Wulden.

Wait can storm blade just claim all there role info in one nice easy to read post please.

[Salt Squad]

@beeboy how your recruit function work?

Are you saying that you are uninformed about the rest of the people in your faction?

Is there a factional killing method as well?

~Ice

I target a human. Blah blah blah conditions may apply. I get a PT with them and there win condition is converted to mine.

[Salt Squad]

@beeboy how your recruit function work?

Are you saying that you are uninformed about the rest of the people in your faction?

Is there a factional killing method as well?

~Ice

I target a human. Blah blah blah conditions may apply. I get a PT with them and

there win condition is converted to mine

.

Uh....

The near exact wording is they become a member of the individual vampire faction.

[Salt Squad]

I see.

So is this the cult mechanic we speak of?

Are you like a third party survivor faction?

Like wha'ts your wincon?

Kuroi is literally flipped and has my win condition with the factional parts blurred out.

[Salt Squad]

It is weird how the individual vampire and human wincon is different from the individual wulden one :/

[Salt Squad]

VOTE: Salt Squad

explain to me how a factional recruit will work with uninformed members in your next post and how is that suppose to mean town or I'm not moving.

~Ice

Everyone in my faction has the ability.
Like it is more of a race thing then anything else I believe.

WHY THE FUCK IN RESPONSE TO A FACTION COP RESULT ON ME WOULD I RESPOND WITH SCUM FLAVOR. LIKE WTF.

[Salt Squad]

I share the same win condition with Kuroi. That is as far as I want to claim.

So you're claiming a Vampire/aligned with Vampires? GREAT!

VOTE: Salt Squad

Did you miss Kuroi's flip and the part where I said the mod won't give me a fake claim.
Also the part where Kuroi didn't have a win con claim to make. (Which means he didn't have a fake claim to use)

[Salt Squad]

You win if all threats to the Individual Humans faction have been eliminated.

Molla was a clear town flip.

You win when all threats to the Individual Vampire faction have been eliminated.

My win con has the same wording.
I AM NOT A SCUM FACTION AND IF I WAS I WOULDN'T CLAIM IT.

[Salt Squad]

Tell me who can everyone if in your faction have a factional recruit ability without knowing who are the others vampires. are they all free to recruit at one night?

to me that seems like a very mass spreader scum faction

~Ice

Because the person I recruit doesn't get the 1-shot recruit ability.
Also the recruit is limited to humans only.
Also I am not stupid enough to claim scum when no claims about my race where made.
Also we don't know how many people are vampires.

[Salt Squad]

Well technically you claimed somethign ALREADY FLIPPED, after being FACTION COP'd.

If I was scum why would I not use a mod given fake claim. How would I get the knowledge of the redacted part of the Kuroi flip if I wasn't a vampire myself.
Come on Luna

[Salt Squad]

My win con has the same wording.
I AM NOT A SCUM FACTION AND IF I WAS I WOULDN'T CLAIM IT.

kuroi role pm has a factional restricted part

how can a fucking massive recruit work for not informed faction

~Ice

Dram's wincon has a factional part of it though and he has an incredibly similar win con to 3 players who claimed there win con.
Like wtf.

You are assuming there are a shit ton of vampires when we know there is 2.

[Salt Squad]

HEY
YOU REALIZE
WE GOT A FACTION COP SCAN ON SS
AND IT SAID A DIFFERENT FACTION THAN WHAT THEY CLAIMED!

FUCK OFF WITH YOUR BULLSHIT RESULT I AM A VAMPIRE.

[Salt Squad]

At the very least lynch me somewhere down the line after I convert someone so I can confirm them as town.

[Salt Squad]

Well technically you claimed somethign ALREADY FLIPPED, after being FACTION COP'd.

If I was scum why would I not use a mod given fake claim. How would I get the knowledge of the redacted part of the Kuroi flip if I wasn't a vampire myself.
Come on Luna

Easy:

Each faction, if possessing a non-human race, has a one-shot ability to recruit a human to their faction. Emphasis "human". This ability will fail if more than one faction attempts this on the same target. This ability does not work on all humans. Regardless of success or failure, this ability is used up once activated. (The recruiter will be informed if they fail, but not the reason why.) In short, only the unluckiest of humans will get culled. It can happen, though, so be cautious!

If I had to fake claim something why not use a mod given fake claim?

[Salt Squad]

Like Luna come on you are conf biasing me like crazy right now.

[Salt Squad]

All of these are mostly tinfoil theories however.

Then stop and realize I am town then if you acknowledge how bad your theories are.

[Salt Squad]

even to vampire recruit in one night is OP for a faction spescially a claiming town

there is no way I can assume you and kuroi are/were town >.>

Because if I was scum the mod would give me a fake claim upon request.
If I was scum I would CLAIM SCUM.

[Salt Squad]

even to vampire recruit in one night is OP for a faction spescially a claiming town

there is no way I can assume you and kuroi are/were town >.>

Because if I was scum the mod would give me a fake claim upon request.
If I was scum I would NOT CLAIM SCUM.

EBWOP

[Salt Squad]

no scum likes to scumslip

but scumslips happen in a confusing game like this.

whats your point?

~Ice

THERE IS A DIFFERENCE BETWEEN SCUM SLIPPING AND BEING SO TERRIBLE THAT YOU FORGET TO USE YOUR FAKE CLAIM.

[Salt Squad]

WHY WOULD I NOT BE GIVEN A FAKE CLAIM IF I WAS SCUM.
WHY WOULD IF LUNA CLAIMED A "ISOLATION WHATEVER THING" RESULT ON ME WOULD I CLAIM INDIVIDUAL VAMPIRE.

like come on you guys are being terrible.

[Salt Squad]

I beleive your lieing about your factional recruit function cuase its making no sense and you are an informed faction probably with night kill as well

that seems like something really scum

~Ice

WHY WOULD I STOP PUSHING WAYWARD AND START PUSHING KUROI IF I KNEW HE WON WITH ME LIKE WHAT THE FUCK.

[Salt Squad]

What if "Individual Vampire" was your fake claim.
I mean you said:

Kuroi was town I believe.

I don't know how much more obvious town I can get this game.
And I am clearly being pushed by 3 people who think individual vampire is a scum faction.

[Salt Squad]

weeeeee bullshit cop results are so fun

[Salt Squad]

I am having such a fun and immersive game experience right now.

[Salt Squad]

I dont think individual vampire is a scum faction.
I think the scan was correct however, and you're using an individual vampire fake claim.

I literally can doing nothing about this and I am town and this feels terrible.

[Salt Squad]

Can you guys at the very least let me live for 1 night target a human and make them confirmed town?
Or at least have a confirmed win condition that wins with town.

[Salt Squad]

I get you guys have no reason to assume redirection even though I have been obvious town all game but you guys are shooting yourselves in the foot by lynching me now rather then later.

[Salt Squad]

All I ask is for 1 night and you can flash lynch me.
Literally I can confirm someone wins with the town.

[Salt Squad]

>All game
>Might have been culled by a faction that doesnt have culling restrictions.

Tho that Isolationist thing i dont even know what it is.
But considering no one ever answered that i assume it means scum.

It probably does in all honesty. But I am town so you can stop.

[Salt Squad]

When I flip town flash lynch StormBlade and Wayward Thinkers.

[Salt Squad]

When I flip town flash lynch StormBlade and Wayward Thinkers.

[Salt Squad]

All I ask is for 1 night and you can flash lynch me.
Literally I can confirm someone wins with the town.

Why do you need one night?

Because I have an ability that allows me to convert 1 persons win condition to the individual vampire win condition so I can confirm to you all the 1 person wins with town.

[Salt Squad]

Then after I preform my 1 action lynch me.

[Salt Squad]

So you don't have a PT, but you do have a recruit...?

-Nahdia

I obtain the PT once I recruit someone.

[Salt Squad]

But if you're Scum and you make a Scummate couldn't that person just lie as well?

Well that would be 99% factional ability and would be completely irrelevant based on my life unless you think I am lone scum.
Also if I am scum I am whatever isolational faction Luna is claiming and that does not sound like a faction that has cult powers if you ask me.

[Salt Squad]

What i think is he already got culled into this Isowhatever faction and they want more members.
And he's just using his original role as a fake claim.
But ok if you guys want to believe it more than the Faction Cop then go ahead, meanwhile my vote wont move.

WHAT KIND OF FACTION THAT CAN CULT IS NAMED AFTER BEING ISOLATED LIKE LUNA COME ON.

[Salt Squad]

it does sound more like a reverse cult?

then how would get culted into a faction like that?

[Salt Squad]

Wait I just realized once I convert someone to being a vamp doesn't that conf me as town.
Like lynching me today is so incredibly bad when you can wait 1 day to validate my claim.

[Salt Squad]

Wait I just realized once I convert someone to being a vamp doesn't that conf me as town.
Like lynching me today is so incredibly bad when you can wait 1 day to validate my claim.

LITERALLY TAKES 1 DAY TO CONF MY CLAIM. YOU GUYS CAN'T BE BAD ENOUGH TO LYNCH ME TODAY.

[Salt Squad]

What if "Individual Vampire" was your fake claim.
I mean you said:

Kuroi was town I believe.

I don't know how much more obvious town I can get this game.
And I am clearly being pushed by 3 people who think individual vampire is a scum faction.

It's not a scum faction, but it's a faction different to Individual Humans, and since there's like zero chance you're aligned with Individual Humans - it makes perfect sense for anyone aligned with Individual Humans to vote you.

Claim individual human harder pls like fuck off this game is too vague for you to know I can't win with you given neither of us need to be alive to achieve our win cons.

[Salt Squad]

I dunno, all i know is the result i got.

I AM SORRY THAT YOU GOT A HORRIBLY WRONG RESULT NOW STOP PUSHING ME AND GIVE ME ONE DAY TO CONFIRM MYSELF AS TOWN.

[Salt Squad]

It takes one night to make someone else vampire to continue your way.

poor recruiters

I'm not going to let this pressure change. there are so many wrong things about beeboy claim

~Ice

You aren't thinking if you think I would honest claim scum in response to a factional claim.

Like I am either isolation faction or town vampire faction. There is no mystical 3rd option.

[Salt Squad]

I dunno, all i know is the result i got.

I AM SORRY THAT YOU GOT A HORRIBLY WRONG RESULT NOW STOP PUSHING ME AND GIVE ME ONE DAY TO CONFIRM MYSELF AS TOWN.

Inb4 culled
Inb4 roleblocked
Inb4 redirected

Like seriously, what.

Is me soaking a roleblock or redirect or me being culled and immediately lynched really that bad?
Like it is worth giving me the chance and just lynching me tomorrow.

Luna these can't be legit fears.

[Salt Squad]

You aren't thinking if you think I would honest claim scum in response to a factional claim.

Like I am either isolation faction or town vampire faction. There is no mystical 3rd option.

I am thinking in a game with these confusing wincons and role pm's your tried to show your faction is town.

it doesn't make sense at all. if your lieing about it or not I see that faction as scum

~Ice

WHY AS SCUM WOULD I NOT HAVE A FAKE CLAIM.
WHY AS ISOLATION SCUM WOULD I BE GIVEN A FAKE CLAIM OF ANOTHER SCUM FACTION.
LIKE COME ON FROZEN.

[Salt Squad]

-If a player is not explicitly told in their role PM they have the ability to fakeclaim, they do not need one.

SEE

[Salt Squad]

I DO NOT HAVE A FAKE CLAIM THEREFORE I AM NOT A THREAT TO TOWN

[Salt Squad]

I don't think you used your fake claim cuase you thought you can make us think that faction of yours is town becuase of the way it flipped.

if you were town why the fuck kuroi lied about his race yesterday ?

Who the fuck cnfirmed your an isolated thing? There is no way for an isolated thing to have a FACTIONAL recruit shit

~Ice

IF I WAS GIVEN A FAKE CLAIM WHY THE FUCK WOULD I THINK I WAS TOWN.
ARE YOU THINKING RIGHT NOW?

[Salt Squad]

@Frozen


IF I WAS GIVEN A FAKE CLAIM WHY WOULD I THINK I WAS TOWN.
ARE YOU THINKING RIGHT NOW?

[Salt Squad]

Kuroi was scum

@Expediance HOW can a faction with recruit function be uninformed about their members? how is that factional cult ting even work?

~Ice

Ok so if I am scum and there was explicitly fake claims with my role pm why would I think i was town.
Frozen I want you to answer this.
My hydra has 3 heads there is no way I thought I was scum and there is no way I would be scum and not know that Kuroi was my ally.

[Salt Squad]

@Frozen


IF I WAS GIVEN A FAKE CLAIM WHY WOULD I THINK I WAS TOWN.
ARE YOU THINKING RIGHT NOW?

YOU DIDN'T THOUGHT YOU ARE TOWN

YOU JUST WANTED US TO THINK THAT

THEN WHY NOT JUST CLAIM THE FAKE CLAIM I RECIEVED?

[Salt Squad]

IF I KNEW I WAS NOT SCUM AND HAD A FAKE CLAIM WHY NOT JUST USE THE FAKE CLAIM YOU AREN'T MAKING SENSE PLS.

[Salt Squad]

OK, ignoring the flavor which I do think is a factor here...
Individual implies no PT. Salt Squad has confirmed this. Why then would a SCUM FACTION have a DOCTOR when they DON'T KNOW THEIR OTHER MEMBERS?

Furthermore, on their recruit, I had an issue with it at first too. But it's not that crazy when you think about it.The factional vampire recruit works thus:

There are a certain number of vampires. They do not know who each other are, or how many there are. Each of them can recruit one extra vampire.

Their extra recruits are plainly balanced by the fact that they 1) Don't have a PT with all other members and quite possibly 2) Are likely small in number to start.

It's not unreasonable.

I'm not ignoring anything.

in flavor he seems he is helping humans but he wants to live above all

individual means no shit.

he claimed recruiter. how recruiter uninformed faction even works

~Ice

You are horrible at this game.

[Salt Squad]

You are horrible at this game.

no

I got one scum and I can see another one flailing right now

You are arguing I bussed day 1 and claimed scum day 2 hoping you would think I am town.
I have never seen a worse case then that.

Also explain to me why Kuroi had 0 claim when he was at L-1? If he was scum he would have a fake claim.

[Salt Squad]

IF I KNEW I WAS NOT SCUM AND HAD A FAKE CLAIM WHY NOT JUST USE THE FAKE CLAIM YOU AREN'T MAKING SENSE PLS.

YOU DIDN"T USE YOUR FAKE CLAIM CUASE YOU THOUGHT BEING HONSET IS BETTER AND YOU THOUGHT YOU CAN MAKE PEOPLE BELEIVE YOUR TOWN LIKE THE WAY SOME ARE TOWNREADING YOU RIGHT NOW FOR THAT SHIT

like stop rising your voice. if you can answer how is your fucking recrit thing means you can win with us explain

You are arguing I bussed day 1 and claimed scum day 2 hoping you would think I am town instead of scum.
I have never seen a worse case then that.

Also explain to me why Kuroi had 0 claim when he was at L-1? If he was scum he would have a fake claim.

I am having a lot of trouble taking you seriously right now tbh.

[Salt Squad]

You are horrible at this game.

no

I got one scum and I can see another one flailing right now

You are arguing I bussed day 1 and claimed scum day 2 hoping you would think I am town.
I have never seen a worse case then that.

Also explain to me why Kuroi had 0 claim when he was at L-1? If he was scum he would have a fake claim.

it was a 15 player need lynch

yes I am arguning when lynch on kuroi got invintible SC bussed kuroi in a post he called two other person scum and voted kuroi without explaining shit

and yes I can see you doing this huge scum slip

just give up

You are honestly so horrible right now it isn't funny.

[Salt Squad]

Frozen be arguing I claimed scum as scum rather then using a fake claim.
She is also arguing Kuroi is doing the same thing and also didn't have a fake claim.

Woooo.

[Salt Squad]

All while the game would state if we where scum we would both have fake claims if we needed them

Wooooooo

[Salt Squad]

kuroi claimed human before getting lynched

wtf are you talking about

He did not claim a win condition.

[Salt Squad]

Go find me where Kuroi claimed a win condition and a faction please and thank you.

[Salt Squad]

You are arguing I am an informed faction when all the other claimed individual race players are saying they are uninformed.

[Salt Squad]

All while the game would state if we where scum we would both have fake claims if we needed them

Wooooooo

I mean I really think your scum for multiple reasons.

thx for the claim though

lets lynch them guys

pedit : why he lied about his race then?

You are arguing I am informed faction with people who have incredibly similar factions to mine are saying they are uninformed wooooooooooooo
woooooooooooooo
wooooooooooooooooooooooooooo


So bad.

[Salt Squad]

Frozen is thanking me for reading the mechanics post to her proving she is even less reliable then what her horrible push already proves.
Yippie.

[Salt Squad]

You are arguing I am an informed faction when all the other claimed individual race players are saying they are uninformed.

all I know is individual humans are not informed

your faction has a redacted part in role pm

~Ice

Individual Wulden also just claimed to not be informed try again ^_^

[Salt Squad]

Individual Wulden also just claimed to not be informed try again ^_^

I didn't saw their role pm yet , that's not evidence

for all I know a multiple recruit vampire thingi can't be matched with you guys being uniformed.

~Ice

So go lynch LLD then ^_^
Go lynch Luna and StormBlade as well because didn't they claim to have a factional section of there role pm ^_^
Have fun with that ^_^

[Salt Squad]

@mod would Kuroi have been given a fake claim with his role pm?
If a faction was able to receive a fake claim would this be known in there flip?

[Salt Squad]

Ok if that question won't work maybe mine will.

[Salt Squad]

This was already answered tho.
If they have the mod ability to get a role PM, it will flip with them if it's individual, but if it's factional it'd be part of the redacted.

If we know Kuroi had no fake claims that makes him in the win with town camp as his claim is safe to claim and then why would Frozen still be pushing me.

[Salt Squad]

It is also entirely possible that the humans that are immune to culling are scum, idk.
I think more speculation on that fact is moot right now tho, we'd need more flips.

Titus was immune to culling and was town for sure.

~Bee

[Salt Squad]

I am sad Toog thinks I would honest claim scum.

[Salt Squad]

Luna literally claimed cop to the scum and has the most unreliable guilty on me ever fucking seen.
WHAT
THE
FUCK
ARE
YOU
GUYS
DOING

[Salt Squad]

Luna literally claimed cop to the scum and has the most unreliable guilty on me ever fucking seen.
WHAT
THE
FUCK
ARE
YOU
GUYS
DOING

I mean.
Either no one messed up with my investigation, which means you're lying about your Faction either by virtue of Fake Claim or culting (which you mentioned doubts on the 2nd one).
Or someone messed up with my investigation and there's guaranteed at least one scum in my hood because i claimed Faction Cop there.

I literally already told you I can prove my claim in 1 day.
Come on Luna you can't honestly be this bad.

[Salt Squad]

How is it unreliable?

She claimed cop in her neighbourhood that has a confirmed spy in it.

[Salt Squad]

Read the flavor, consider your own flavor, make an educated guess, go from there.

-Nahdia

That isn't mafia?

Like, I should know if someone was against me or not.

@Mod Please answer if this is against or with the town:
"You win when all threats to the West Empire faction have been eliminated." Is this faction with or against

read the OP

I'm not revealing anything about PR abilities,

b

ut I can check Nations.

Basically, I'm a

N

o

rthern Tribes Human

.

Northern Tribes

Other

Hu

m

an

why would you claim this?

I am Sergius Seneca, Individual Wulden Rolecop.

this is definitely scum fyi, cult likely

LLD's attitude to this whole thing is inconsistently vacillating between "wtf i'm a secret miller grr so angry", and "oh how can i help you explain my wincon i'm so confused help"

^

I share the same win condition with Kuroi. That is as far as I want to claim.

So you're claiming a Vampire/aligned with Vampires? GREAT!

VOTE: Salt Squad

Vampires are town ding dong

Being not-scum doesn't mean you aren't cult. Changing people's WinCon is pretty much definition of cult, no?

VOTE: Salt Squad

Like I believe that you believe you're Town, but I don't believe you really are what you believe you are.

This game contains an entity called the

Destroyer of Worlds

.

wtf?

lld is like confirmed cult, murder that shit

-sc

[Salt Squad]

If my results got messed up with then there's guaranteed scum in our hood, which is great info to have.
If they didnt then SS is scum lying, which means this lynch is correct.

Stop being bad when you can wait a day to confirm me.

[Salt Squad]

Lynching town for information is total crap.

[Salt Squad]

I can't follow how you can say wait a day to confirm when if there's scum InDaHood nothing can be relied upon though SS?

By using my 1-shot recruit me and the person I recruit can confirm each other as town.

[Salt Squad]

Can you guys at the very least let me live for 1 night target a human and make them confirmed town?
Or at least have a confirmed win condition that wins with town.

Salt if you can confirm someone as town why didn't you do it last night?

It's conditional on them being human and there was no non obv town humans to target + I have a race cop

[Salt Squad]

If my results got messed up with then there's guaranteed scum in our hood, which is great info to have.
If they didnt then SS is scum lying, which means this lynch is correct.

Stop being bad when you can wait a day to confirm me.

Thing is...
Your recruit is very likely to fail, specially announcing it like that, plus you need to hit a recruitable human and more likely if you fail you'll be lynched tomorrow anyway.
That is even if you're telling the truth and you dont need that night to do [Insert scummy things here]

Your play became really bad as soon as you submitted a cop on me and you staying consistent with that. Like what could I possibly do in 1 night as scum hat outweighs allowing me to confirm myself as town.

[Salt Squad]

Your play became really bad as soon as you submitted a cop on me and you staying consistent with that. Like what could I possibly do in 1 night as scum hat outweighs allowing me to confirm myself as town.

How am i supposed to knwo what the Isolationist faction is even capable of doing.

You are grasping at straws to prevent me from confirming me as town and it honestly is really frustrating

[Salt Squad]

I'm not reading dram as scum

I just I don't know how to read that shit

Kuroi was very likly scum and beeboy is scum with him though

thats where I wanna push

Kuroi was town.....

Kuroi's PM:

You are an Individual Vampire Doctor.
[REDACTED - FACTIONAL]

dram's PM:

You are an Undead Risen Slave.
[REDACTED - FACTIONAL]

These two players are obviously scum due to the REDACTED - FACTIONAL portion of their PM. The redacted information is almost assuredly factional chat and/or team buddies. Titus and Molla didn't have any such redaction, and both were Humans, so they are almost assuredly town flips. Multi-town game doesn't necessarily indicate that the towns are against each other, even though there flavor might suggest it.

Based on speculation of flips, I want to say dramonic was possibly our cult since his PM is the only PM thus far to state that at least one member is required to be alive to win.


I attempted to scan the location of dramonic last night, but I got a "no result" returned, which suggests I was blocked as I see nothing in dram's flavor to suggest that targeting him would cause a location scan to fail.

Vote: Salt Squad

I could vote for LLD too, but I think SS's claim, and her desire to stay alive to get a night action off, is more damning between the two.

read the fucking OP, all of the dead are town likely

I refuse to believe that Kuroi, who lied and said he was Human, flipped Vampire with redacted factional abilities, can have the same wincon with Salt Squad and not have Salt be scum. I mean, holy shit, his FACTION info is redacted... that means Individual Vampires have Faction information that needs to be redacted, not Kuroi, but Individual Vampires. Salt Squad needs rope today.

he probably thought he was scum, we went over this

man, I JUST woke up and there are like 14 pages since day 2

but anyways

vote:wake

garbage

UNVOTE: LLD

Why are we so certain that Wulden is cult again?

Nahdia said in an earlier post that race doesn't matter, yet she wants to vote LLD because 'race-cop got her as Wulden'.

Pls explain.

Because in the OP there's a lot of flavor indicating Wulden as cult

Oh and _MAYBE_ the Individual Vampires are part of this and can be part of the super-happy-fun-times. MAYBE.

ALL OF THE INDIVIDUAL Xs ARE TOWN JFC

mastin will you confirm this?

if not then shut up scum or town ; whatever are you <3

mastin isn't going to confirm this obviously

caught up. what a mess.

-sc

[Salt Squad]

Besides as i said, we mass claimed Nation/Location in our hood, my Free action scan went to one of them and i got what they claimed.
How likely do you think it is i got redirected to an Isolationist with the same Nation/Location as that person.

I already claimed all that info and you didn't have a problem with it. Like come on.

[Salt Squad]

Luna you claimed cop to scum no shit you are alive means you have unreliable results

[Salt Squad]

Besides as i said, we mass claimed Nation/Location in our hood, my Free action scan went to one of them and i got what they claimed.
How likely do you think it is i got redirected to an Isolationist with the same Nation/Location as that person.

I already claimed all that info and you didn't have a problem with it. Like come on.

If you did i missed it, can you quote it?

Wait you're twisting things again.
Im not claiming to have Nation/Location scanned YOU!
Im claiming to have Nation/Location scanned someone who had already claimed them beforehand in our hood.

I used DIFFERENT TARGETS FOR BOTH
If i got redirected both of my actions get redirected to the same person, so i find it unlikely, but possible, but if it happened then that's also good information to have.

oops.
All I know is you got redirected and you aren't giving me one day to confirm myself as town.

[Salt Squad]

Luna pls you got redirected like this is really unfair that you won't let me conf myself as town.

[Salt Squad]

All I really care about is the chances of Salt Squad's result being bullshit and tbh it looks like it's bullshit.

RB gets it.

[Salt Squad]

BTW I don't get the point of starting off

assuming

a redirection is possible. Do we have some kind of evidence that one even exists?

Luna claimed cop to the scum in her neighborhood before she submitted her night action.

[Salt Squad]

Do all you have some kind of vendetta against me or something? Luna's result was obviously messed with.

[Salt Squad]

No I am serious Luna claimed cop in her neighborhood to scum.
That means that scum knew who she wanted to confirm so they could redirect her to someone who has the same information as the person she was checking.

[Salt Squad]

It's obvious that scum are going to BS any guilty result on them pls.

But I am town and there is no bs here.

[Salt Squad]

No I am serious Luna claimed cop in her neighborhood to scum.
That means that scum knew who she wanted to confirm so they could redirect her to someone who has the same information as the person she was checking.

No, everyone in the hood didnt know who i was targeting, i did receive some target suggestions but i didnt specify whether i was following them or not (i wasn't)

It still is probably incredibly easy to figure out. Also wouldn't location and stuff like that be incredibly similar for people of the same faction so...
Luna stop with your blatant faulty results.

[Salt Squad]

It's obvious that scum are going to BS any guilty result on them pls.

But I am town and there is no bs here.

And you wouldnt say this as scum with a guilty on them because ______?

Because as scum I would have given up by now.

[Salt Squad]

No I am serious Luna claimed cop in her neighborhood to scum.
That means that scum knew who she wanted to confirm so they could redirect her to someone who has the same information as the person she was checking.

it annoys me when people present their POV like fact.

It is a fact because I am town and I am presenting what actually happened.

[Salt Squad]

wait ok Luna claimed cop in her neighborhood do you have any idea who the scum is that is in the neighborhood or are you just assuming because looks some some hanky panky happened on her claim?

They literally said there was a rat in there neighborhood more then once.

[Salt Squad]

I already mentioned that my other result doesnt seem to be tampered with, considering not everyone in my hood shares the exact same N/L
If it happened then we got unlucky, but then again, that also confirms scum in my hood.

Why not wait 1 day to see if you did get really unlucky then?
Luna pls don't do this to me.

[Salt Squad]

I already mentioned that my other result doesnt seem to be tampered with, considering not everyone in my hood shares the exact same N/L
If it happened then we got unlucky, but then again, that also confirms scum in my hood.

Why not wait 1 day to see if you did get really unlucky then?
Luna pls don't do this to me.

[Salt Squad]

the constant one day refrain just makes me think you have a powerful one-shot ability

No I can literally conf myself as town.

[Salt Squad]

technically, half this town can, apparently

There is a limited number of humans that can be recruited which is the restriction I guess.

[Salt Squad]

VOTE: WT

This lynch is worse then StormBlade but 100x better then me or LLD

[Salt Squad]

the constant one day refrain just makes me think you have a powerful one-shot ability

No I can literally conf myself as town.

If you're scum and you successfully recruit, your target becomes scum with you and says you're town.
If your recruit fails we learn nothing whatsoever.
You don't get confirmed either way. Either we hear from someone we can't trust, or we don't. But it is an argument that scum would make to

try

to get confirmed.

The idea is I recruit someone you lynch me and the person I recruit is conf town at the very least :/

[Salt Squad]

I understand where you are all coming from but you really do need to give me a chance :/

[Salt Squad]

The only thing we have on Salt Squad being scum is a result that we know could have been tampered with. That's not just Salt's claim either, it's in Mastin's notes too.

How lilkely do you think this could happen?:

So it sinks in to people

I targeted Salt Squad with a Faction Scan and got Isolationist
Someone in the hood had claimed Nation: A, Location: B, Race: C
I used my free action on that someone and got A, B, or C or all 3

What are the chances i got redirected again?

Mr. Percentages guy?

Once you claim cop to scum those percentages get incredibly skewed ^__^

[Salt Squad]

^
Proved not reading

I am actually I think I got really unlucky.

[Salt Squad]

You mean besides toog and molla?

Toog was claimed Human day 1 o3o

[Salt Squad]

One of the results was correct with what was claimed in my neighborhood.
If i got redirected both of my targets would be redirected.
I got a result that matches up claims in my Neighborhood.

It's not rocket science really.

I understand how terrible this must look from you POV but I am town and you have to trust me.

[Salt Squad]

VOTE: Storm

I want this actually.

[Salt Squad]

VOTE: Storm

I want this actually.

Storm's town.
Her passive doesnt make sense for someone in our hood AND scum.
Try again.

You are also telling me I am scum so I don't know how reliable anything you say is right now ^__^

[Salt Squad]

One of the results was correct with what was claimed in my neighborhood.

If i got redirected both of my targets would be redirected.

I got a result that matches up claims in my Neighborhood.

It's not rocket science really.

Blue: we know this to be true because?

Because that's how redirection works.

How do you know it is standard redirect mrs. Igota1337guiltyontown

[Salt Squad]

How many people are in this hood again?

Can we vig/lynch all of them in one cycle? That'd be sweet.

I am down.

[Salt Squad]

Although let's not lynch Luna she really believes everything that is coming out of her mouth even if it is all wrong.

[Salt Squad]

I did say it is not a guarantee it contains scum. But i was assuming there was 1.
I talked about this when i first claimed about the hood.

Why isn't StormBlade scum again?

[Salt Squad]

So as town with the opportunity to verify the claim and make a conftown you thought... better not.

Oh wait I remember now.
I didn't realize there was more then one individual faction I thought he was fake claiming as a non human.

[Salt Squad]

Sigh when I flip town Luna can you trust me that RB is likely town here?

[Salt Squad]

So as town with the opportunity to verify the claim and make a conftown you thought... better not.

Oh wait I remember now.
I didn't realize there was more then one individual faction I thought he was fake claiming as a non human.

And putting a huge target on himself?

I suspected people who couldn't be culted would claim human to bait recruit shots.

[Salt Squad]

Sigh when I flip town Luna can you trust me that RB is likely town here?

What do you want me to expect?
He's attacking my whole faction even tho he's suspected us of being survivor+mason combo.
He's even attacking LLD who's suspected of having a wincon similar to mine.

All his actions are against my win con and so i must purge this from the land

Vote: rb

I'll give you a day if you help me lynch this guy.

We aren't doing this.

I agree with this.

[Salt Squad]

Also no one messing with my results doesnt mean we're clear of scum (they might have chosen not to mess up with me).
But being messed up with pretty much means there is at least 1.
So if lynching SS yields town we know there's for certain a spy there. And if we lynch scum we dont, but we lynched scum.

So the options are.

I flip town there is scum in your hood and you lynch StormBlade
I flip scum there is still probably scum in your hood and we lynch StormBlade anyway

Nice

[Salt Squad]

Vote: SS

Going back here as i no longer think rb might be against us.
If there is a person in my hood i'd suspect to be scum, it would be copper right now, but im literally unsure, everyone's been pretty townie in there, which is another reason im willing to trust my current result.

So who is in your hood.

Copper, StormBlade, You and who else o3o

[Salt Squad]

I think Luna claiming cop to Copper and StormBlade should prove that someone messed with her cop result.

[Salt Squad]

If you want to help me figure out who's scum in our hood, give me your current reads, and ill make assesments based off them, considering there's unrevealed members off the hood.

StormBlade
Copper
Wayward Thinkers
Twie
A50
Klignon

These 6 are all flipping scum.

[Salt Squad]

You're pretty much scumreading everyone alive but me.

I am scum reading 6 people or am I just scum reading your entire hood but you?

[Salt Squad]

So you think there's TWO spies in the hood? Not likely.

-Nahdia

I do ^__^
Because Luna has allies outside her hood like LLD.

[Salt Squad]

Is 2 scum in a neighborhood really that bizarre?

[Salt Squad]

You're pretty much scumreading everyone alive but me.

I am scum reading 6 people or am I just scum reading your entire hood but you?

From your reads, im not going to say who's in the hood.
However from your reads, you're literally reading everyone in my hood as scum but me, that's still alive that is.

Ok so I probably need to reevaluate then lol.
Why are you telling me this if you think I am scum?

[Salt Squad]

You're pretty much scumreading everyone alive but me.

I am scum reading 6 people or am I just scum reading your entire hood but you?

From your reads, im not going to say who's in the hood.
However from your reads, you're literally reading everyone in my hood as scum but me, that's still alive that is.

Ok so I probably need to reevaluate then lol.
Why are you telling me this if you think I am scum?

Because you're the only one that 100% knows if my result got messed up with and im only lynching you to confirm that fact.

Can we just lynch StormBlade today let me recruit some to confirm they have a wins with town win con and then lynch me for info tomorrow :/

[Salt Squad]

Like Luna come on there has to be scum in your hood unless I have abysmal reads this game.

[Salt Squad]

@Luna: who are you scumreading outside of your Night result?

I do have a scumread in my hood which i mentioned.
Outside of that i have no idea rn im townreading a lot of ppl.
I'm pretty much trying to figure out who's trying to lynch us based on our win condition, because they're more than likely either scum or at least... opposing our faction.

You should be less transparent about trying to lynch people that are opposed to you.

[Salt Squad]

Why?
I'm always transparent about things (which is a problem when i have to deal with hidden information), that's just a personality trait of mine ^_^;;

Because I am losing trust in you ^_^

[Salt Squad]

Like Luna come on there has to be scum in your hood unless I have abysmal reads this game.

Well you're the only one who knows that for certain right now.
But i find it highly unlikely to see that everyone else in my hood but me is scum.
1 person at worst. None at best.

Even on Normalish setups, Neighborhoods dont contain more than 1 scum unless they're like gigantic.

Eh in the last game I played in had 4/6 members of a hood being scum (i think). But that was a dramonic game so idk how mastin compares to dram as a mod. o/ ello dram

[Salt Squad]

Luna if you are lynching me for info doesn't that imply you are town reading me and therefore lynching me is bad.

[Salt Squad]

Well you definitely are wrong about me and I appreciate the time you gave me.

I don't expect you to lynch everyone in your hood because that goes against your survivor win con but there is definitely 2 scumz in your hood.

[Salt Squad]

Like at least 2 scumz maybe even more.

[Salt Squad]

Vote: Klingoncelt

I could do this but why Klingon over StormBlade?

[Salt Squad]

VOTE: Klingon

eh.
I guess I can trust you on StormBlade for now.

[Salt Squad]

Starting to think all non-human town have it.
Which would make Vampires neutral survivors.

-Nahdia

Read the Kuroi flip lol.
Neither me or any of my vamp bros need to be alive for us to win.

[Salt Squad]

You guys know lynch baits can also roll scum right?

[Salt Squad]

my experience with her indicates she's always scummy, but someone with more might be able to provide a better opinion

Personally, I townread her posts in the hood. Comparing Space Dandy 2 Klingoncelt (town) to Bloodborne Klingoncelt (scum), her attitude was way closer to the former.
-Nahdia

If only the survivors defending each other meant anything

[Salt Squad]

what was the incentive of telling us Dram was likely scum rather then just saying he was town :/
L

[Salt Squad]

I think it is bullshit you guys where letting all the momentum head in the direction of LLD when you could have just claimed undead earlier.

[Salt Squad]

Luna why can't the rest of your hood be reliable like you.

[Salt Squad]

I think it is bullshit you guys where letting all the momentum head in the direction of LLD when you could have just claimed undead earlier.

What? How is this relevant?

-Cerb

Wasn't a difference between Luna and LLD's wincon the reason people suspect LLD or am I wrong on this one

[Salt Squad]

So there is no old humanity contracts?

[Salt Squad]

Like I swear Luna was saying at the very least she can't win with LLD because you followed the old humanity contract or something.

[Salt Squad]

Oh wait Luna is equally iffy screw survivors

[Salt Squad]

Yay, I'm all caught up. LLD and SS could both be scum, but I continue to think we are better off focusing on the faction cop result. If Luna is the actual faction cop (as it now seems she is claiming), and not just someone from a hood reporting what another hood member said, then she's reporting the faction correctly (within the bounds of a bastard game) or she's lying and scum and our lynch tomorrow. Furthermore if she's scum then the whole neighborhood thing could be a ruse and we get a bunch of suspects.

r e d i r e c t o r

rb confirmed enemy of the humanity treaty.

wat

lld should die today
storm and co can die tomorrow

-sc

[Salt Squad]

I'm at the top of page 182.

I have a crazy theory.

Out of all the flips we have seen, none of them have been really standard, meaning there is a lot of other shit going along with the Nation/Location/Race check thing in general, so why aren't LLD and SS mentioning their other abilities? The crazy theory here is that they are both part of a Scum faction.

I already full claimed read the game before you accuse 2 towns of being scum thanks.

[Salt Squad]

Question why is LLD scum outside my Wulden race cop result on her?
I am waiting on a VC before I continue playing to be perfectly honest.

[Salt Squad]

No I am serious Luna claimed cop in her neighborhood to scum.
That means that scum knew who she wanted to confirm so they could redirect her to someone who has the same information as the person she was checking.

Why are you telling people that there's Scum in Luna's 'Hood? Was that confirmed?

I think I found the rat

[Salt Squad]

Klingon is near 100% scum btw
Like it takes 1 day to get me to recruit someone lynch me and have the person I recruited be confirmed town.

[Salt Squad]

Klingon what do you lose by lynching me tomorrow.
If this game has a tracker they can just track me and confirm me as scum along with whoever I recruit if I am lying.


Or are you afraid of flipping scum and confirming Luna's cop was messed with?

[Salt Squad]

I think we should all ignore scum Klingon because I am likely being tracked ^_^
If I was scum and needed 1 night action I would just do what Ram said and say isolationist faction was a town faction.

[Salt Squad]

If I only needed 1 night action I chose a very complicated route.

[Salt Squad]

Some food for thought all of the flips we've seen so far have a faction named after a Location, Nation or Race (or a mix of those).
The Isolationist Faction doesnt.

What does this mean?

Probably the name of the scum faction in your hood so scum.
Also idk who you are voting but vote Klingon pls.

[Salt Squad]

Vote: SS

Going back here as i no longer think rb might be against us.
If there is a person in my hood i'd suspect to be scum, it would be copper right now, but im literally unsure, everyone's been pretty townie in there, which is another reason im willing to trust my current result.

So who is in your hood.

Copper, StormBlade, You and who else o3o

Mad fishin' going on there.

The contents of a claimed neighborhood that has at least 1 scum in it.
I am not fishing shit.

[Salt Squad]

So the options are.

I flip town there is scum in your hood and you lynch StormBlade
I flip scum there is still probably scum in your hood and we lynch StormBlade anyway

Nice

Why would you include yourself as Scum as an option if you're Town?

Thanks for taking my post of of context ^_^ I appreciate it.
I was saying regardless of my flip stormblade was scum and should be lynched before me anyway.

[Salt Squad]

Klingoncelt is spewing nonsense that she doesn't believe again.

Literally why she should be lynched.

[Salt Squad]

Actually, neighborhoods can have 0-100% Scum. It's usually random.

100% scum factions are the best :')

[Salt Squad]

neighborhoods*

[Salt Squad]

Actually, neighborhoods can have 0-100% Scum. It's usually random.

100% scum neighborhoods are the best :')

EBWOP

[Salt Squad]

I think everyone in here went crazy overnight...

If you didn't claim cop in your hood none of this would happen.
This is all your fault >:(

[Salt Squad]

But thanks for making me paranoid of everyone again, it's really appreciated (not really)

You deserve it for claiming a fake guilty on me so I am ok with that.

[Salt Squad]

I am still waiting for a vote count

[Salt Squad]

Eh. I'm not so sure about Salt. Thinking about it more, this feels like Legend of Zelda beeboy when he was begging for 1 more day to confirm he's town so he could just rolecop someone as scum. He might just be cult wanting to recruit one more person.
-Nahdia

You do realize I gave up in Zelda mafia and stopped posting all together right?

[Salt Squad]

I'm referring to Day 1 on that game, not Day 2...
-Nahdia

I am 99% sure all these events happened day 2.

[Salt Squad]

Also in Zelda mafia wouldn't lynching me the following day do absolutely nothing.
Like I am seriously 100% down to be lynched tomorrow, if you think I am scum just remember to honor that tomorrow it isn't hard.

[Salt Squad]

Also all the kills where town reading me so....

[Salt Squad]

As I recall, you got wagoned on Day 1. Claimed you had a alignment cop and begged to be let live one night so you could use it. Then claimed you didn't use it and got lynched. I'm pretty sure of this but maybe I'm misremembering? Either way, you still made the same play you're making here what with using your night action to buy yourself a day.

I did that day 2 and was lynched because no one believed me. Why would I follow a losing strat?
But I see what you are saying.

[Salt Squad]

This is kinda off topic why did Dram die because of Luna?

[Salt Squad]

I am starting to think I actually am the best lynch since the LLD wagon is crap and LLD can confirm herself the same way I can confirm myself tonight.
I am going to be on a computer in 1.5 hours where I can explain my reads and point to you guys who to lynch because you guys aren't lynching outside Luna's neighbourhood until the scum in there gets lynched because my town flip basically confirms scum in that hood and don't listen to anything that says otherwise.

[Salt Squad]

there's no reason to believe lld is scum unless you believe every race cop is essentially a faction cop

meanwhile we have an ACTUAL faction cop result

there's a shitload of flavor indicating wuldun!scum

This game contains an entity called the

Destroyer of Worlds

.

And Salt Squad is an Isolationist...

VOTE: Salt Squad

ew

klingon's post through pg 200 are garbo, would lynch asap

-sc

[Salt Squad]

k finished reading, so much useless noise
Klingon is def scum and should be lynched after lld

-sc

[Salt Squad]

We are from the West Empire

-sc

[Salt Squad]

Anyway since there is scum in your hood luna unfortunately we need to lynch inside it until we find scum ^^

[Salt Squad]

It's clear Luna was redirected Storm

-sc

[Salt Squad]

If you want to help me figure out who's scum in our hood, give me your current reads, and ill make assesments based off them, considering there's unrevealed members off the hood.

StormBlade
Copper
Wayward Thinkers
Twie
A50
Klignon

These 6 are all flipping scum.

You're pretty much scumreading everyone alive but me.

That means scum is in.

Luna/StormBlade/Copper/WT/TWIE/A50/Klingon