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rb · Post Post #5200 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:36 pm

In post 5190, Klingoncelt wrote:
In post 5103, rb wrote:How come it didn't tell me you ninja'd me

As far as I know, there's been claims of human town from Northern Tribes, a number of individual factions and some treaty claimers. Titus flipped West Faction. The only human-flavour place in terms of alignment that we haven't seen any claims or flips from is Eastern Kingdom.

So we should specifically look for an East player to lynch, is that what you're saying?

Cause that sounds scummy.

I'm saying that I think there's probably a human scum faction and that it's probably Eastern Kingdom.

This sounds scummy because...reasons?

Wake1 · Post Post #5201 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:43 pm

This is dumb.

Assuming the whole Eastern Kingdom is Scum is badthink.

It makes more sense that all major Factions are Town, but Scum is among them WITH fakeclaims and access to PT.

Remember what Mastin said about the game being ambiguous? You really think he'd a whole kingdom Scum. Sorry, that's just stupid.

If we end up with Eastern Kingdom Townflips it's gonna mean... what? What was that? Wake's right again? Oh why thank you everyone. Yes, yes he's right.

rb · Post Post #5202 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:49 pm

Wake.

You. Cannot. Have. Conflicting. Wincons. In. The. Same. Faction.

Faction = WinCon.

rb · Post Post #5203 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:50 pm

Yes the game is ambiguous but what's not ambiguous is that Faction = Wincon.

rb · Post Post #5204 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:51 pm

It's like you think that I'm saying everyone from NATION Eastern Kingdom will be scum, when I'm not.

I'm saying that I _THINK_ people who are from FACTION Eastern Kingdom are likely scum. They're TWO. COMPLETELY. FUCKING. DIFFERENT. THINGS.

Wake1 · Post Post #5205 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 1:53 pm

Assuming the Eastern Kingdom = Scum is fallacious. That's my point.

Klingoncelt · Post Post #5206 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:01 pm

In post 5156, rb wrote: Klingon's posting on Day 1 was just that she thought WT/Expedience/No Retreat were scum.

With your result she's convinced SS is cult and that I'm trying to protect them and therefore also cult. The No Retreat scum read seems to be an original line of thought. She's not really shy about voting any of her scumreads, but she never really pushes any of them either. It's just like, "X is scum" and then votes. It's basically slightly-above DGB level of participation for the most part. which is pretty poor. I don't really see much in Celt's specific reads that cry scum, but she's also not taking much of a stance on getting people she thinks are scum lynched. The reads are just there, not much is done about them so it's null to me. Based on her interactions I'd call her Scum.

Talks a lot about her own playstyle and ability to do meta-reads, and says in 752 that an Expedience flip can tell her if Titus is scum or not - but never specifies which of Expedience's flips indicate what. To me that's just real fucking scummy, because it's completely vague and lets her do pretty much whatever the fuck she wants in an Expedience post-flip situation and avoid any sort of accountability. She avoids directly saying anything anywhere and keeps her vote on No Retreat (a totally futile vote, as it was basically WT vs. Kuroi at that point) all the way up until Dram tells her to vote on something useful.

Her push on me is hilariously bad, and I think it's pretty scummy + opportunistic again to suggest that I've been culted overnight. That's a pretty big stretch to think that I'd overreact that badly (LLD was and still is a much stronger wagon) if I was cult and SS was cult with me, based off my questioning interactions regarding the neighbourhood/Copper. It really strikes me that she wants me to stop trying to assess your neighbourhood for scum, whereas the others in there seem to be open to the idea.

I feel pretty 'off' about Klingon after reading her ISO, and coupled with the fact that the neighbourhood collectively felt bad about her in the early game, I think she's likely scum.

You're lying.

Shall I go through it point-by-point?

I pushed as hard as I could on the Expedience/Wayward/No Retreat triad, and I'm still sure they are connected and not aligned with my win condition.

I also pushed hard on SS-is-Cult-and-so-is-RB, but that got drowned out.

So your claim "It's just like, "X is scum" and then votes" is pure horseshit.

Saying that I'm slightly above DGB-level, when I make more posts per 24 hours than she does in an entire game is, again, horseshit. And, oh, yeah, by the way,

I'M V/LA!!!!!!!!!

So you're lying about that.

"says in 752 that an Expedience flip can tell her if Titus is scum or not - but never specifies which of Expedience's flips indicate what."
Kind of a moot point since Titus was NK'd, but I don't recall

anyone

else being made to define what they're looking for in a flip.
And if it's a concern, why the fuck did you wait until now to mention it?

Oh - my meta reads? They're great. I haven't done any this game, though. You see,

I'M V/LA!!!!!!!!!

I like the way you try to make me look bad without explaining why you white knighted SaltScum so hard.

And then there's this:

It really strikes me that she wants me to stop trying to assess your neighbourhood for scum, whereas the others in there seem to be open to the idea.

There's been no "assessment" whatsoever, it's been nothing but a spazztard-fueled witch hunt. No one did a goddamn thing to figure out the Wulden issue.

Finally you give a ham-handed pile of words final decision in such a manner that I must beg of you to never consider a career in acting.

Your read is so full of bullshit that I'm thinking of having the listmods report you to the EPA for exceeding methane limits.

Luna Fox · Post Post #5207 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:03 pm

I think you need to chill Klingy.

Klingoncelt · Post Post #5208 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:05 pm

In post 5166, Toogeloo wrote:
In post 4974, Klingoncelt wrote:I share Dram's win condition.

I don't know anything about treaties.

I do know that Alexis Galenos was the heroine and Dmitri Damanos was evil.

If you were to flip, would you have redacted factional information?

Umm, yeah, I'm in a PT.

Klingoncelt · Post Post #5209 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:07 pm

In post 5167, Toogeloo wrote:Until I get definitive proof other wise, I will auto-assume any flip with Redacted Factional information is scum, and if they had a fake claim it'd likely be there (as Mastina pointed out somewhere).

Redacted Factional Information might be nothing more than the shared link to the PT.

It could mean much more, like factional kills, but don't read into something what isn't there, people are fucking this game up pretty badly as it is.

mastin2 · Post Post #5210 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:10 pm

trivia"Humans are resilient creatures. They're strong against almost everything, which makes it all the more heartbreaking to witness what they can't withstand."

--Hans Pohl.

Thirty-first Votecount

:

(Fourth Votecount D2)

Lady Lambdadelta - 9 (Wake88, Almost50, Stormblade, Wayward Thinker, Toogeloo, DrippingGoofball, copper223, RAM, Expedience)

Salt Squad - 4 (davesaz, Cephrir, Klingoncelt, Luna Fox)

Wayward Thinker - 2 (Tim, rb)
Klingoncelt - 2 (Salt Squad, A Song of Ice and Fire)
Almost50 - 1 (Lady Lambdadelta)
Wake88 - 1 (No Retreat)
Cephrir - 1 (Nosferatu)
RAM - 1 (Expedience)
Expedience - 1 (Mathblade)

Not Voting - 3 (Heartless, TheWayItEnds, RachMarie)

With

24

alive, it takes

13

to lynch.

Day 1's deadline is Wednesday, August 10th, @ 9:00 PM PST: (expired on 2016-08-10 21:00:00).
At deadline,

Lady Lambdadelta

would be lynched.

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

Last votecount was post 5000, page 201.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History Day 2

Spoiler: Players Voted D2 History

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 2

Edit:

Fixing votecount error.

Klingoncelt · Post Post #5211 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:14 pm

In post 5181, RAM wrote:@KC: You had a faction cop who claimed in an unsecure PT, who was widely townread by the game at large. Why did you watch ASOIAF instead of her?

-Cerb

I was the first to suggest copping within the PT.

The idea was shot down.

I (and I think someone else) suggested outing who would be investigated, so the investigates wouldn't overlap.

That idea was shot down.

The Hood was a dysfunctional clusterfuck by then, so I didn't waste time pushing reason or logic.

Wake1 · Post Post #5212 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:16 pm

Is anyone willing to claim being of the Eastern Kingdom? No point being shy since others have claimed.

ISO · Post Post #5213 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:17 pm

In post 5212, Wake1 wrote:
Is anyone willing to claim being of the Eastern Kingdom? No point being shy since others have claimed.

Again, since this apparently isn't fucking crystal clear, no one should answer this.

Expedience · Post Post #5214 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:17 pm

Mastin, I was actually voting LLD although I don't blame you for being confused.

<<< Odd. I have your vote correctly in the changes section. I have your vote correctly in all the other extra sections as well. But for some reason, the main VC--the hardest to get wrong--somehow...was wrong. My mistake. >>>

VOTE: Salt Squad

However this is probably the safest lynch for today.

In post 5212, Wake1 wrote:
Is anyone willing to claim being of the Eastern Kingdom? No point being shy since others have claimed.

Why lol?

ISO · Post Post #5215 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:18 pm

this LLD wagon isn't getting less shady the more it continues to not dissolve

Stormblade · Post Post #5216 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:20 pm

VOTE: Salt Squad

ABR

Luna Fox · Post Post #5217 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:21 pm

In post 5211, Klingoncelt wrote:I was the first to suggest copping within the PT.

You suggested circular scanning assuming everyone was investigative...
Which again how does that help us figure out anything?
You seemed to assume everyone was factional cop like me, obviously the idea would be shot down.

Salt Squad · Post Post #5218 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:32 pm

I am starting to think I actually am the best lynch since the LLD wagon is crap and LLD can confirm herself the same way I can confirm myself tonight.
I am going to be on a computer in 1.5 hours where I can explain my reads and point to you guys who to lynch because you guys aren't lynching outside Luna's neighbourhood until the scum in there gets lynched because my town flip basically confirms scum in that hood and don't listen to anything that says otherwise.

MathBlade · Post Post #5219 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:32 pm

In post 5195, Stormblade wrote:
In post 4878, MathBlade wrote:PEDIT: Nadha -- Or you could think for yourself instead of just "guessing" where your vote is because your other head says so. And ask people. I'm not asking for explanations. I'm asking for people to play the goddamn game. Like what do you think of the people in your hood? What about those outside of it? Give me a general feel for how you think. And why do you think there is a Wulden scum team? They could be a cult or as I hypothesized before maybe there are scum teams that are not based on race.
Look, both Nahdia and I, and others in the PT, we're all pretty sure that copper is acting hella suspicious in our PT. If there's someone with a different wincon than us, it's definitely copper. I'm not sure if he can with with us or not, though. Maybe we don't have to die for him to win, or it's something we haven't thought of. Regarding LLD, I'm fairly certain no Wulden is part of the New Humanity Treaty, she's a Wulden, come on. Everything she says sounds highly suspicious. Nahdia will make a determination and I will support her. I mean, we both still think Salt Squad is shifty as fuck. There's that too.

ABR

Here is the problem. The entire day has been about "information" (reason for quotes later) instead of analysis. It is that "information" that people are sheeping. Yet the entire PT says that they don't trust the people in the PT. by consequence it means I do not trust the "Information" that has been shared in this thread.

Now the entire thread has been taken up with discussions of information over trying to read people. In regards to Luna especially for all the worry you have about there being a Wulden in your PT so you look to the main thread for help and out powers and some such. But you are not interacting with each other very much in the thread so we can help you find it and get reads off of it.

Instead after several pleas of "Hey don't claim" the group outs that they are undead and that there is a watcher with certain results. At best this is clogging up discussion of who to believe and who not to and is stopping actual read progression, and at worst all of y'all are scum and just spewing shit to see who reacts to what to know who has to go. Either way I see none of you trying to figure out what the win con means or suggesting ideas.

Speaking of which FoS Wake for wanting people to say a certain three letter word for a potential cult leader. That seems very odd. Also for not wanting to read it he is borrowing some of those ideas. 4828

Like I don't see much "helping a human treaty". The entire hood is toxic and I think in order to allow scumhunting we lynch within it. IMHO there is no way a "faction cop" a 2 shot BP a watcher and if dram was in there whatever they were since it is gone are all town. I don't see that.

Furthermore the undead had a person who could check Race in their flip. Wouldn't a faction cop that also included race be more op than the original race check? Then it would be a wincon and a race cop in one. Instead no one is thinking, slowing down and analyzing and trying to balance reads with that information. Quite frankly I am sick of it.

@Wake -- In my humble very strong opinion there are some people with North East West and Other that are all a part of the treaty but which parts. I would not go down the path you are thinking. You are still IMHO trying to use a certain element to break the game. If nation or location could break the game and every player picked that as pregame stuff then that would be ridiculous. Stop fishing and read my posts. I swear if you look hard enough you may find nachos. You get a huge FoS for wanting even more people to claim while I am trying to give away pants.

Luna Fox · Post Post #5220 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:35 pm

In post 5219, MathBlade wrote:Wouldn't a faction cop that also included race be more op than the original race check?

I can't check race tho.

MathBlade · Post Post #5221 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:37 pm

In post 5218, Salt Squad wrote:I am starting to think I actually am the best lynch since the LLD wagon is crap and LLD can confirm herself the same way I can confirm myself tonight.
I am going to be on a computer in 1.5 hours where I can explain my reads and point to you guys who to lynch because you guys aren't lynching outside Luna's neighbourhood until the scum in there gets lynched because my town flip basically confirms scum in that hood and don't listen to anything that says otherwise.

Just no. Neither of you are good lynches IMHO it is all spoiled from the tree. The PT put a shit done of pressure on you and then you outed which caused LLD to out.

I don't see either of you being scum and this is either a clusterfuck of town derp that needs to stop or it is a clusterfuck of scum trying to get out as much information as we can but we need to scumhunt.

MathBlade · Post Post #5222 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:38 pm

In post 5220, Luna Fox wrote:
In post 5219, MathBlade wrote:Wouldn't a faction cop that also included race be more op than the original race check?
I can't check race tho.

If you expected the result to be "Individual Vampire Faction" or whatever the exact wording was then this would be highly suggestive of the player's race this rendering a check mute. Hence it would be more op than the original race check. No. Instead they are probably generics that give an idea of a win condition.

Klingoncelt · Post Post #5223 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:39 pm

In post 5187, Toogeloo wrote: Kling seems like some kind of Watcher though with his results claimed on ASOIAF.

I couldn't have been more obvious.

Luna Fox · Post Post #5224 (ISO) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:39 pm

In post 5222, MathBlade wrote:If you expected the result to be "Individual Vampire Faction" or whatever the exact wording was then this would be highly suggestive of the player's race this rendering a check mute. Hence it would be more op than the original race check. No. Instead they are probably generics that give an idea of a win condition.

That's the Faction name tho?
I think you DO have a point there tho.