Gistou (Over!)

[Cephrir]

alternatively, when mastin said fifth faction, she might have been referring to the entire town as one faction?

[Cephrir]

point is, chances are no one is scumclaiming and it's naive to believe they are

[Cephrir]

Yeah Luna it's psychology god how can you possibly argue w that

[Cephrir]

Shut up dram.
I feel like his frustration is genuine.

So do I, but I still think he's scum.

[Cephrir]

I am actually scum, and the other leading wagons are too. Look over here, wouldn't you rather go for a nice tasty lurker lynch?

Look Cephrir can avoid posting reads again instead changes words of Kuroi's thoughts.

So do you have reads? Or are you opportunistic scum with Titus as one of my hypothesis earlier?

what the heck? i've posted, like, 8 million reads. i was just making fun of him.

[Cephrir]

Thing is im townreading WT because that felt like town frustration, and i dont like voting ppl im townreading.

It might be. I'm not sure.

VOTE: WT because I'm hopping back to the biggest wagon.

Someone please deal with Kuroi tonight because I cannot take another day of him shitting up the thread and also he's scum.

[Cephrir]

I am actually scum, and the other leading wagons are too. Look over here, wouldn't you rather go for a nice tasty lurker lynch?

Look Cephrir can avoid posting reads again instead changes words of Kuroi's thoughts.

So do you have reads? Or are you opportunistic scum with Titus as one of my hypothesis earlier?

what the heck? i've posted, like, 8 million reads. i was just making fun of him.

since apparently my reads don't count unless i put them in a list, here you go. i might be forgetting things but off the top of my head this is about where im at.

{Heartless, Math, Luna, Expedience, Molla}
{Titus, dram, Salt, Tim, ASOIAF, RAM, LLD, rb, Toog}
{Almost, Storm, copper, No Retreat, TWIE, DGB}
{KC, Nosferatu, WT, dave, Wake, Franky}
{Kuroi}

[Cephrir]

I am skimming.

{Heartless, Math, Luna, Expedience, Molla}
{Titus, dram, Salt, Tim, ASOIAF, RAM, LLD, rb, Toog}
{Almost, Storm, copper, No Retreat, TWIE, DGB}
{KC, Nosferatu, WT, dave, Wake, Franky}
{Kuroi}

Expedience & Wake please. Same as above, por favor.

Expedience is town because a lot of his posts show genuine emotion. Some of his thought processes are batty in a way that reminds me of way back when Titus was new and I townread her successfully for moonlogic. I think he really believes what he's saying. It IS multiball but he's also taken a lot of unpopular actions he didn't need to take that could have gotten him lynched.

Wake is scum because of posts Cane + Able made in the first 40 pages or so that I had issues with, as well as RAM's argument re: him missing a claim by his biggest scumread, iirc? I'm pretty sure there was something else but I cannot be fucked to find it right now.

VOTE: Kuroi

I should probably stop just trying to end the day now that it looks like we may actually get a lynch this century. This is scum and I want it out of my life.

[Cephrir]

wow i must be pure shit then

i guess ive learned nothing playing mafia for 10 years!

[Cephrir]

Its a tool with random result, it has no efficiency .

it makes me so happy that i am not going to be the only person bitching about this

[Cephrir]

there's a 92% chance you're not particularly funny

[Cephrir]

I have changed from skimming to skipping.

[Cephrir]

Yeah, FA's town.

Scum have fakeclaims.

I mean I don't disagree but if you're basing this on her win condition that's a big jump.

[Cephrir]

In the latest games I've played cerb is unbearable (and more importantly town the last time), is he like this as scum as well?

Define unbearable? I believe the only people in this game who have seen me as scum(unless you count my 3p play in Saga Frontier as scum) are Heartless and Cephrir. Oh, and the Sir Cakez head of Salt Squad.

-Cerb

Can confirm, and he was pretty obvious scum too

[Cephrir]

scum arent ever going to kill someone so painfully useless

anyway im sure that is either a mod given fakeclaim or an actual claim

yep!

[Cephrir]

P-Edit: Are you sure?

i mean i guess he could have made up the doctor part

[Cephrir]

Wouldn't a fake claim be easier to see though?

He could be lying, but if he isn't, a huge game like this, there's no way he won't be sorted out eventually.

A PR claim like Doctor shouldn't be lynched Day 1. We have subsequent Days to lynch him if there's good reason for it.

yes good idea let's run up 10 different players with this policy and make sure they know we won't lynch them if they claim a PR

[Cephrir]

It doesn't tell me who is WITH me or AGAINST me.

If you don't know that then YOU ARE TOWN. Titus & Molla didn't know either (No PT) so they were definitely TOWN. dram had a PT, but that works more like a neighbourhood in normal games because his win con supports both human factions flipped (and any others that didn't flip yet).

How do you know dram had a PT??????

Well technically you claimed somethign ALREADY FLIPPED, after being FACTION COP'd.

If I was scum why would I not use a mod given fake claim. How would I get the knowledge of the redacted part of the Kuroi flip if I wasn't a vampire myself.
Come on Luna

It's pretty obvious this is either true or a mod given fakeclaim and everyone suggesting it's neither can fuck off.

Unvote

If the redirect happened, it means we are for certain there's a Wulden spy in the hood.

That makes a lot of sense to me from a game design standpoint

I'm beginning to wonder if the whole idea behind this game is to teach the town a lesson about loose lips

which i approve of wholeheartedly

No, those are both true. I can't be a serial killer considering you already know I'm either with you or I'm a spy for another faction. Namely, the Wulden faction.

And another Scum Claim! I thought you were UNDEAD like dram was!!!!

No
One
Is
Going
To
Scum
Claim
Holy
Shit
Everyone

Kuroi's PM:

You are an Individual Vampire Doctor.
[REDACTED - FACTIONAL]

dram's PM:

You are an Undead Risen Slave.
[REDACTED - FACTIONAL]

These two players are obviously scum due to the REDACTED - FACTIONAL portion of their PM. The redacted information is almost assuredly factional chat and/or team buddies. Titus and Molla didn't have any such redaction, and both were Humans, so they are almost assuredly town flips. Multi-town game doesn't necessarily indicate that the towns are against each other, even though there flavor might suggest it.

You are woefully, woefully incorrect. But, the fact that you still don't get it is a pretty good indication that the mod should just fucking tell us what is and isn't town instead of pretending it's obvious and we're stupid.

Individual also seems to mean not knowing exactly what your win condition is.

I invite anyone who is "individual x" but doesn't have a wincon of "you win when all threats to the individual x faction have been eliminated" to claim this.

NO ONE SHOULD ANSWER THIS.

Kuroi is definitely scum for more than just the Redacted - Factional portion of his role pm too. Don't forget he claimed Human Doctor before he was lynched.

My theory is that Kuroi incorrectly believed himself to be scum.

Almost50 sounds like he's some kind of non-Wulden scum BTW

Yeah I said that before. We can lynch A50 if you want.

Fact is the 5 people I mentioned need to die.

POSSIBLY not Luna though as I review it. Dram is definitely not town though, I don't think their WinCon is compatible with Titus or Molla's faction.

Someone do correct me if I'm wrong here but I'm pretty sure that it would be mod confirmable that the two compatible wincons here are Titus/Molla.

If you think dram is definitely not town, why isn't LLD, someone who claims to have the same win condition as him, on your lynch list?

[Cephrir]

When I get caught up the rest of the way tonight I will start asking specific questions I just want to make one message very goddamn clear:

Keep it in your pants!!!!

You.

I like you.

[Cephrir]

all I know is that kuroi was a race detector individual vampire with a recruit function and SS is very likely with them

here's a thought.

if race = alignment, would race cops and faction cops even be distinct things? what would be the point of that? ergo, it's possible for LLD to be town.

[Cephrir]

Oh and _MAYBE_ the Individual Vampires are part of this and can be part of the super-happy-fun-times. MAYBE.

ALL OF THE INDIVIDUAL Xs ARE TOWN JFC

[Cephrir]

Before I forget: LLD, why did you out stormblade's role?

[Cephrir]

That makes a lot of sense to me from a game design standpoint

Yeah... which doesnt help me in the slightest, dam me and my not reading >.<

I think i should just operate as a VT instead of potentially giving more info to scum, and instead claim that im said Faction Cop.

If the redirect happened, it guarantees there's scum in the hood considering i had already claimed this in there early thinking by mistake it was a Masonry.

If the redirect didnt happen SS is scum lying and i just made myself an even bigger target ^_^;;

I think maybe we should just lynch SS. We sorta find a scum either way, and I think the case of them having not really just been guiltied is low as hell.

[Cephrir]

Ooh ooh! I have one! Cephrir is a nosferatu!

Jesus.

What part of outing all the information in the game is difficult for you people?

I'm a fucking individual nosferatu with the same win condition LLD claimed and that's why I believe her.

[Cephrir]

yeah so we now have... 3 race cops out? if anyone thinks those are all straight up cops you're literally stupid.

[Cephrir]

Sure. Why wouldn't they be?

Obviously, that win con could be mod-given as a fakeclaim. But it's not a reason to lynch them, is it??

[Cephrir]

has mastin answered a straightforward question about who is town yet? she's not about to start.

the thing is, though, either you believe SS, LLD and I have all just claimed scum, or you have a brain. those are the options. i don't have access to a fakeclaim, therefore i am town.

[Cephrir]

Apparently on D1 my win con i claimed was towny.
Now on D2 people believe the win con i claimed is scummy.

Something doesnt add up here indeed, and it's not me, it's you.

Did you happen to get culled overnight?

I think it would be interesting to see if anyone changed their tune about that.

Assuming you mean culted and not culled, no, I'm not human anyways so that's impossible right? Unless the Cult-Cult is special.

If you meant culled then wtf is that.

[Cephrir]

I beleive you guys claimed something and trying to tell us that its modconfirmed town which is not which make me think you guys are probably scum and this is a mindgame shitshow

I'm not saying I'm mod confirmed town

I'm saying I'm not claiming scum

Why would I claim scum

[Cephrir]

VOTE: Salt Squad, by the way.

I don't know what an Isolationist is, but it sounds a lot scummier than Individual, does it not? If the investigation was fucked with that'll be very useful information to have.

[Cephrir]

he claimed individual what are you talking about?

yeah but luna appears to have a faction (not race) guilty on him

[Cephrir]

Luna literally claimed cop to the scum and has the most unreliable guilty on me ever fucking seen.
WHAT
THE
FUCK
ARE
YOU
GUYS
DOING

How is it unreliable?

[Cephrir]

Apparently on D1 my win con i claimed was towny.
Now on D2 people believe the win con i claimed is scummy.

Something doesnt add up here indeed, and it's not me, it's you.

Did you happen to get culled overnight?

Because I had no idea about the wording of your WinCon.

The way it's worded isn't the same as Titus/BBMolla at all. Which are the two factions I'm going to say I'm 100% sure are Town. Your WinCon and the [REDACTED] part mean that I have no reason to think that your interest = my interests. You might not be cult or scum necessarily, but you're not the Town I thought was Town. There's nothing that doesn't add up, it legit just looks like you and your buddies in your PT fucked up because you thought you were Town when you actually weren't.

if we needed fakeclaims we would have them, though, so our roles must be safe to claim.

[Cephrir]

LLD has a much greater chance of being town than someone who is saying they aren't the thing they've been investigated as

[Cephrir]

All I'm going to say is that I find it almost unfuckingbelievable that this could happen:

- 2 faction cops check 2 independent people
- both faction cops return highly suspicious races (nosferatu/wulden)
- both players then claim Individual town-aligned

And that in all four of these players, there's NOT A SINGLE scum/cult.

I mean it's POSSIBLE but holy shit is that unlikely.

there are probably more race cops out there who have the brains to sit on their results and/or got human results

[Cephrir]

Luna pls you got redirected like this is really unfair that you won't let me conf myself as town.

gross

[Cephrir]

I'd rather just not lynch SS (someone I'm townreading) on the basis of a claim that's likely bullshit. That's dumb.

Cephrir/LLD claims have more scum/cult likelihood than those. Unless I've just missed something entirely, I think Salt is town and I want them to be a part of the superhappyfuntimes.

Yes, fuck the clear contradiction, let's lynch something else for shits and giggs.

Do all you have some kind of vendetta against me or something? Luna's result was obviously messed with.

Does anyone else not read this awful ATE and not want to run off to find a vessel in which to puke

[Cephrir]

No I am serious Luna claimed cop in her neighborhood to scum.
That means that scum knew who she wanted to confirm so they could redirect her to someone who has the same information as the person she was checking.

it annoys me when people present their POV like fact.

[Cephrir]

How is lynching WT for shits and giggs? Oh, right: you were one of the people pushing Kuroi's wagon over WT and you also happen to be Nosferatu - the enemy of a number of human factions in this game.

it's not, i was responding to a post in which you threw shit at me/LLD and figured you were expressing a desire to lynch us

crazy, right?

WT is scum too but we should lynch the scum right in front of our faces first

[Cephrir]

1) isolationist could be cult-cult and Salt joked that he wanted to be recruited before, so maybe cult obliged.

lynching a cultist isn't GREAT but at least we'd find out that's what the cult is.

[Cephrir]

the constant one day refrain just makes me think you have a powerful one-shot ability

[Cephrir]

the constant one day refrain just makes me think you have a powerful one-shot ability

No I can literally conf myself as town.

You'll come back tomorrow and something will have gone wrong with it.

I have the same ability you're claiming. I just don't believe you. And I can see about a thousand ways it can not go through.

[Cephrir]

If you're scum and you successfully recruit, your target becomes scum with you and says you're town.

also

this

[Cephrir]

Apart from WT I'm starting to just want to lynch all of the hood until we find the scum because I'm tired of this game revolving around this stupid hood. Fuck the hood.

we don't know it contains scum unless salt flips town, which they most likely will not

[Cephrir]

rb confirmed enemy of the humanity treaty.

you missed the word "new" thats the thing with negative feeling about the whole shit

we don't know what the shit is that,

if thats in my way for lynching scum then I'm an enemy of that as well

i interpret as "humanity makes a new agreement to get along with each other and stop being assholes"

[Cephrir]

i interpret as "humanity makes a new agreement to get along with each other and stop being assholes"

Actually now that you mention it, my flavor does say i long for coexistence.

mine has a line about being disgusted by the important vampires/nosferatu attempting to subjugate humans/treating them poorly

[Cephrir]

and yeah, i long for peace, yep yep

[Cephrir]

Then again we're assuming a lot about how many people would share your WinCon....would it be likely that there'd be this many with your WinCon?

it's almost as though probably half the town has it

[Cephrir]

I can't say I'm super pumped about lynching someone (Kling) who might have my win condition and is regularly mislynched, despite the fact I'm scumreading her

[Cephrir]

my experience with her indicates she's always scummy, but someone with more might be able to provide a better opinion

[Cephrir]

that's pretty ridiculous

[Cephrir]

there's no reason to believe lld is scum unless you believe every race cop is essentially a faction cop

meanwhile we have an ACTUAL faction cop result

[Cephrir]

SS's reaction just doesn't make sense. Just envision how this all plays out with SS!scum just rolling with the isolationist result. He goes yeah, I'm isolationist, so what? She says what's that factions win con? He says remove all threats. She says oh. okay.

and what do you think happens when their scumbuddy later flips isolationist?

[Cephrir]

i'm not even gonna respond to that heap of garbage.

[Cephrir]

you're not listening, clearly, so there would be no point

[Cephrir]

I've come to the conclusion that Luna's faction cop result is not fucked with, Salt Squad really is 'isolationist' - but isolationist doesn't mean scum/cult.

Read about the Individual Vampires - they're outcasts. Read about Kuroi's character Hans Pohl - he's an outcast. They're all

isolated and individual

and hold no particular allegiance to anyone. The 'Individual' factions are somewhat a neutral ground that win with a few different other WinCons. Also, 'isolationism' in political terms is commonly acccepted as meaning that you keep other people's business out of yours and you try to do the best with what you can (roughly speaking).

This all sounds very consistent with the flavour for Individual Vampires/Humans and I'm starting to really think that we've simply been reading isolationist wrong. Luna's result wasn't fucked with - Salt Squad IS an isolationist - but isolationist isn't the cult/scum indicator we thought it was.

The reason the result of isolationist makes salt scum is because they are denying being one.

[Cephrir]

If math isn't town I will eat my shapely warthog tusks.

I've made that joke before but it is still funny.

[Cephrir]

The thought of someone being scum because they make too much sense makes me want to punch a wall. I know this game is full of stupid but let's not encourage them thanks.

Expedience makes a good point.... in 4911 now that I've been ninjad 627484 times.

[Cephrir]

Hey don't hate I love the shrug face

[Cephrir]

I could be wrong here ofc, but there was an exchange between Ceph/Luna that made me feel like their apparent WinCons were anti-scum but not anti-cult.

I don't know how it's even possible to guess at this without seeing the cult win condition.

@RB
The accusation is clear, I think you are scum aligned cause:

- You have been fence sitting on your accusations/probes giving yourself an out in case it went wrong and pushing the wrong things.

- you are trying to disrupt every attempt to start solving the setup based on the information we have by claiming it's impossible to do (using faulty logic) and by accusing the players trying to of slipping (I have never seen such a slip in a real game from a non newbie, the rest of us understand you can post your thoughts in the scum PT about that if you want to, so that's likely another attempt to shut that line of research down cause you likely have something to lose if we figure it out).

I would not characterize rb's play as fence sitting. If anything his opinions have been stronger at times than they've had any right or reason to be. Maybe he's not given a clear read in a few circumstances, but how is it scummy to not be certain sometimes? This is only a concern if fence sitting is a dominant theme, which it's not been.

"Pushing the wrong things" is an empty phrase when we have so few flips.

Only undead are allowed in our PT (per mastin guarantee), so at most since the Wulden are partially undead after their transformation from Lyncans we have Wulden mole(s).

It makes very little sense for there to be more than 1 Wulden mole both balance-wise and based on how the players have behaved, let's even assume 2 to cover lunatic fringe cases, that still means there are 3 undead (of the same race, one of which is mod confirmed post flip to be the same as me) with the same faction wincon, that's enough to believe the other undead races (Nosferatu and Wulden) also have PT's and shared win-cons, so claiming to be of that race is a bigger scum-tell than everything I have read about WT.

You're ridiculous. I'm SURE the game is designed to punish us for lynching based solely on race (see, again: we have like 3 claimed race checkers right now and there could be more -- this game does not have four-plus full cops)

And we don't have any way of knowing for certain that Nosferatu and Wulden are scum factions. It seems like a possibility, but nothing more. We now pretty much know that one of the scum groups is named Isolationist, which... could be anything, could it not? Maybe it's a group of humans and lycans who want to secede from the Union. I don't claim to know that. What I do know is that if you want to find out you should be voting Salt Squad. I don't usually make arguments like this, but the fact there is a wagon on LLD and not Salt Squad does not make me feel very good about her chances of flipping scum.

I'm really not liking your posts these last few pages, again. :/

Can we get more LLD votes?

Can you stop being scum?

[Cephrir]

Actually or not?
I dont even know.
I don't even know how would another town faction's role PM even be, i interpreted the post that among all factions there would be 1 town, but now that you meantioned there could be more than 1 town? this is giving me a headache.

That's exactly how I read it.

I think humans comprise one town faction, and there is a non-human town faction that is allied with the human town.

The op spells out the possibility of multiball town, and

Robb

Molla's claim sets up the framework for my theory.

@LQ, Yeah well, that's life. Not going to rushwhen I feel uncomfortable. Doubly so with 3 town factions. Gtmy, you're town but I have like 5% confidence there.

Three?

That's pretty specific. Where did you get that information?

@LQ, Yeah well, that's life. Not going to rushwhen I feel uncomfortable. Doubly so with 3 town factions. Gtmy, you're town but I have like 5% confidence there.

Three?

That's pretty specific. Where did you get that information?

The three human nations. If you were town, that'd be evident.

So, you're under the assumption the nations are seperate factions.

That's all you had to say. The barbed bullshit was unnecessary.

Hey Wake. Now that you've claimed Northern Tribes, what do you make of these posts?

[Cephrir]

Why would House have thought humans comprised one town faction? I get that you aren't him, but... your role PM clearly indicates there are three, doesn't it?

[Cephrir]

I guess I'm just going to file this concern in my back pocket.

[Cephrir]

Sure. SS's reaction to the guilty absolutely doesn't make sense given the obfuscation about win conditions and factions in this game. Therefore, he's telling the truth, therefore Luna's result was tampered with.

don't be a sucker.

i should know, i am one and its p unfortunate.

[Cephrir]

Drams win condition is not scum because at least 6 other players are currently claiming to have it, your brilliance.

[Cephrir]

Is anyone willing to claim being of the Eastern Kingdom? No point being shy since others have claimed.

Again, since this apparently isn't fucking crystal clear, no one should answer this.

[Cephrir]

this LLD wagon isn't getting less shady the more it continues to not dissolve

[Cephrir]

Yeah, do you guys realize that Klingoncelt decided to not use Watcher ability on the claimed Faction Cop (I was claimed in the hood)?
And then she's pushing my result as if i helped her catch scum, while continuously saying im the scum in the hood?

Yeah makes total sense to me! (not really)

yes, she is scum

Everything about the damn hood has been outed for fucks sake.
-Nahdia

Because if she's wrong, she kills someone who she needs to keep alive for her wincon

You do realize people outside your hood have claimed that wincon right.
Like you are horrible misunderstanding the situation.

No,

you do

. Look at dram's wincon again. We don't need people with the "New Humanity Treaty" wincon to stay alive. We need people with the Undead Risen Slave wincon to stay alive. And those people are ONLY IN OUR PT.
-Nahdia

I'm not a hundred percent sure you're right... do we have confirmation here? Because like I don't know how big my faction is but if you're correct and it's just me or me+1 then I might as well quit now.

Again I do not think it is as simple as one Nation is a scum faction.

I think it is a game of Mafia in a game of Mafia.

Namely the treaty is absolved when humans from one specific branch remain. So North would dislike West and East etc...

Take the Undead wincon for example if I am right in this world then they would want to lynch one or the other making them scum to some humans and not others. Then in contrast people with that win con are likely in a broad sense "town" because they win with not try to dominate.

So having a broad sense of "town" and "scum" is weird. Can people please read my post ?

yes, i think you're far more likely to be right about this than any of the drivel other people are posting about it

[Cephrir]

@Storm, I lost the multiquote and am lazy: I need to consult the mod before I answer you.

Luna I have a question who inside A50 and TWIE is in your hood so we don't need to get people to honest claim human and get culted or fake claim and make scum hunting the redirector impossible.

See?? This PROOF that you're no reading. I ALREADY CLAIMED NORTHERN TRIBES FACTION. Do you think if I was in their with them they'd have let it go? All of them?? Oh, PLEASE!!

In that case, I reiterate my question to you: How did you know dramonic was part of a Private Topic? I assumed that was you slipping being in the Undead neighborhood, but since it apparently isn't then..??

[Cephrir]

Well, SS is an alright lynch. I think there's a good shot of him being truthful that he's a vampire but I also think the risk that he's cult or something is very really and that's dangerous af to let live.
-Nahdia

A cult recruit really doesn't worry me and isn't worth a lynch. If ss turned out to be a cult recruit that's probably the only thing that could make me *not* want to lynch them.

[Cephrir]

@Stormblade: I can confirm that my win condition is word for word identical to dram's but for some stupid reason I can't get confirmation that he counts towards my win condition's "survive" aspect which frankly pisses me off a lot.

[Cephrir]

I'm sorry, I want an explanation how changing your wincon is something anyone would want. It wasn't going to take much for me to vote SS in the first place, especially since they were my original vote of the day, but if they wanted to dodge the question and be snarky as well, then they don't deserve any further response from me as well.

Maybe I'm old school, but a change in wincon signifies to me that a person just culted, and it's certainly convenient that the only person who might corroborate this role claim died on day 1. All the same, I don't trust, nor do I want a change in my faction, nor would I understand why anyone would for that matter.

It is not really about what the target, who we don't even know who that would be, is.

But by all means I welcome your vote even if it's for awful reasons.

[Cephrir]

i guess ill assume that but i'm kinda thinking about replacing out on the grounds that this isn't mafia if i don't know what my fucking objective is.

[Cephrir]

This means, in your own role PM, there is meant to be almost no ambiguity. There may be some in yours, if you did not understand the role correctly and/or did not ask the right questions.
However, this is why you're supposed to keep asking questions, until it is not. I keep on telling people to do this! I have made things as clear as I can, both publicly and to multiple players privately. If it's not good enough, then keep asking! I will never refuse to address the inquiry. I will always try to get the information I can deliver across.

Information on other players' roles, however, is deliberately meant to be ambiguous. This is not an unusual modding practice; many moderators on this site have a policy of "I will give role information to only the player who has that role". For this game, Gistou, I have taken that policy.

You will be given everything there is to know about that player...except information that only that player was privy to, in this case: factional abilities.

I'm sorry, but my role PM is ambiguous, "look at the mechanics post again" isn't an answer, and I don't think you;ll like it if I ask you the same question 50 times so I'm not going to keep asking.

The bolded is false. I need to know if flipped players' win conditions count as being the same as mine. In this instance, it is the same, but it says a different thing in front of it ("Undead Risen Slave Win Condition") and I need to know whether you count it as being the same win condition as mine and you refuse to answer the questions. That isn't giving me everything I need to know about a dead player.

I don't want to antagonize you, I have a very high opinion of you and have enjoyed your mafia games in the past, but these are things that need to be clear and they are not clear and the result is that this is shit. You can say "you have to figure it out" all you want but reading your mind about a semantic distinction should not be my job.

[Cephrir]

Like, I don't know if I need to expect to be alive to win and that information wildly changes my objective and you won't tell me which it is.

[Cephrir]

ok new philosophy.

i'm town.

if at the end of the game i'm told that i lost because i didn't understand semantics, i will choose to believe that i won.

the end. i will make this mafia even if it is not mafia.

[Cephrir]

Either way, on this whole thing.
It's either SS or someone in my hood, people need to take a stance the chances of being interfered with from outside of the hood factors are like less than 1%.

i mean, it's probably both, let's be real. kling's slot is scum.

it's just that there being scum in your hood doesn't mean the scum has a redirector that targeted you.

[Cephrir]

that sounded more confident than i actually feel.

[Cephrir]

Luna, I'm more inclined to think the lost players lack the ability to comprehend text, and prioritize goals. It's pretty straightforward. Scum are ALWAYS threats to everyone but themselves, so get rid of them. All else is secondary. All this hemming and hawing amd hitching and moaning is meaningless. Identify town. Don't let them get mislynched. Identify scum. Remove them by any means necessary. That's the fucking game, every time. All this multifactional bullshit is just noise.

oh shush i obviously should know whether i need to live or not

if i did i'd scumhunt less

but luckily i decided not to care

[Cephrir]

Can you like show me what I do? Do I press the b button?

up up down down left right left right B A start

[Cephrir]

Cephrir.....what the fuck difference does it really make? Unless you have a kill and need to be aware of whether or not you may be removing those who could enable your victory, it doesn't fucking matter man. You'll live or die based on the reads vigs and the rest of the town have on you, and whether or not you're a threat to scum.

You knowing whether you need to be alive or not doesn't you want the game to last any more nights than it has to, soo...doesn't matter.

-Cerb

i funamentally disagree.

if my goal is to not be nightkilled, i would play to not be nightkilled.

[Cephrir]

I'm suddenly very aware of how this game works, and what to look for.

Basically if you're Northern Tribes faction with the wincon of eliminating all threats to it, you're basically my Townspeople.

I need you to claim if you're of my Faction, AND your Nation.

IF EVER there was a reason to do a Factional Townbloc, THIS IS IT. I need my fellow Tribesmen. WINTER IS COMING! THE NORTH REMEMBERS! SANSA IS HOT!

JOIN ME, MY TRIBESMEN. WE'LL SORT THE LIARS OUT EVENTUALLY. THE BEAR IS FULLY COOKED.

did you not read the entire game, or did you just skip the mechanics post and the titus flip.

[Cephrir]

okay but your faction members probably won't be stupid enough to do any of that

[Cephrir]

Unless players lie, anyone who claims Northern Tribes is Town.

[Cephrir]

[Cephrir]

It's not gonna be a framer. Framer is a bad role and I doubt mastin would use one.

[Cephrir]

What if we stopped stating the obvious and just lynched salt already.

Wouldn't that be InSaNe

[Cephrir]

they just gave a reads list like 2 pages ago.

this has gone on long enough already.

[Cephrir]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

this has been: a bah post

[Cephrir]

Mostly upset that I wasted a good scum game on something this ridiculous.