Gistou (Over!)

[rb]

Anyway fuck, my point is that Luna should just do whatever she thinks has the best chance of hitting scum, and if you're townreading Luna then you shouldn't drag her through the mud just because her read doesn't necessarily agree with yours. If you're town and you think another townie is doing a bad vote/lynch, explain who you think is a better target and why.

I'm not dragging her through the mud. I'm trying to reason with her and she's being despondent in the hood for which I really don't blame her so I'm trying to talk to her here. And I said I would make a RAM case. There are other lynches as well I could support. I just really don't want to play this suboptimally based on a read I don't share and I want to make it clear to her that lynching this scumread is a bad move for her too because of the major risk involved.

Sorry I wasn't implying you specifically were I just meant the hood toxicity in general. Like Luna is one of my strongest townreads and she's getting bullied out of the game, so that sucks for both of us. I want to cooperate with my townreads and I want the people I townread to genuinely enjoy the game because then they play better.

[Luna Fox]

If the concept is not there Luna is free to vote where she likes and no one can scream "wincon" and thus makes the game more enjoyable and enables reads.

I dont think getting yelled at everytime i dare scumread or vote anyone from the PT is an enjoyable experience, do you?

You've been bad at keeping info to yourself, very very bad.

ABR

Nahdia already mentioned it tho, what?

[Stormblade]

A50 are you in Luna's hood?

Bruh he don't need to answer that!

ABR

[Stormblade]

If the concept is not there Luna is free to vote where she likes and no one can scream "wincon" and thus makes the game more enjoyable and enables reads.

I dont think getting yelled at everytime i dare scumread or vote anyone from the PT is an enjoyable experience, do you?

You've been bad at keeping info to yourself, very very bad.

ABR

Nahdia already mentioned it tho, what?

While we agree on most issues

now

, I'm saying that you deserved some yelling lol

ABR

[Luna Fox]

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[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@A50

I was reading your last page and my role is against some part of that big description thats the much I will claim

~Ice

[Salt Squad]

A50 are you in Luna's hood?

Bruh he don't need to answer that!

ABR

I take this as a yes and I now have the completed list of your hood mates.

[Salt Squad]

Although once Klingon flips scum I will not need to out that info.

[Wake1]

@A50

I was reading your last page and my role is against some part of that big description thats the much I will claim

~Ice

What's the use in holding back?

People will just come for you later if you goose out now.

[Wake1]

@A50

I was reading your last page and my role is against some part of that big description thats the much I will claim

~Ice

What's the use in holding back?

People will just come for you later if you goose out now.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

That require me to first faction claim

and I won't do that for your satisfaction

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I'm just saying there is a part in there that is wrong

so the whole idea might get rejected.

I'm absoloutly sure this game is not breakable flavor wise and thats a wrong way for analyzing it.

~Ice

[MathBlade]

Again I do not think it is as simple as one Nation is a scum faction.

I think it is a game of Mafia in a game of Mafia.

Namely the treaty is absolved when humans from one specific branch remain. So North would dislike West and East etc...

Take the Undead wincon for example if I am right in this world then they would want to lynch one or the other making them scum to some humans and not others. Then in contrast people with that win con are likely in a broad sense "town" because they win with not try to dominate.

So having a broad sense of "town" and "scum" is weird. Can people please read my post ?

[MathBlade]

This is of course assuming if any human scum exist they are dead. But at a high level I think something like that is going on.

[Stormblade]

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No you really did. You really really did. You made some awful revelations.

ABR

[Stormblade]

A50 are you in Luna's hood?

Bruh he don't need to answer that!

ABR

I take this as a yes and I now have the completed list of your hood mates.

Although once Klingon flips scum I will not need to out that info.

We will feed you hemp rope first though.

ABR

[Salt Squad]

uh can we stop berating Luna I think she got the message a long time ago you guys are unhappy with her.

pedit: thanks fam

[MathBlade]

4828 is my response to your question Almost50.

Not feeling a Salt lynch.

Still ISOing RAM and I am V/LA Saturday/Subday

[MathBlade]

V/LA until late Sunday

Can you please try to limit claims while I am V/LA please???

[rb]

Hey guys I'm gonna claim while Math is gone.

[Almost50]

In post [post]5133[post] davesaz makes a very good point. WHY would a redirector target Luna on N1? If they knew she will be checking beeboy it would be to protect a buddy (but not to implicate someone as the redirector presumably wouldn't know the faction/alignment of beeboy if they were'nt buddies). HOWEVER, redirecting the action on beeboy to protect him should've been to someone who looked town to the redirector.

So, if it WAS redirected then beeboy IS scum, and his buddy knows of another scum now. If it was NOT redirected then beeboy is still scum and Luna got the actual investigation result on him. (er.. them.. I mean the Salt Squad slot, but I keep referring ro them as beeboy bc he's the most active head).

davesaz then proceeds with a 3rd "unlikely" scum plot by Luna faking a result. I don't see how or why -at this stage of the game- would Luna or her PT members would have recognized Salt as a potential threat and decided to sacrifice one of their own to get him lynched. They may have targeted him with a recruit that failed is all, but even that wouldn't be strong enough for them to claim a guilty on him and get him lynched.

So, lynching Salt now gives us the following:

He flips Isolatioist (or whatever Luna said he was) and he's a confirmed scum flip + Luna is on the clear on this one.
OR
He flips Individual Vampires and Luna is caught lying.
OR
He flips a 3rd faction (yet unknown to us) and we know of the existence of that faction AND that it's a Scum faction (because of both the redirection and the beeboy lying about it).

[Almost50]

EDBWORP

5133

[MathBlade]

Or option 4 Salt flips Individual Human and the Isolationist hit Beeboy and it means someone who is an individual.

I doubt a faction cop would be able to use the name of the race within it or it would function similar to faction + race cop

[MathBlade]

Hey guys I'm gonna claim while Math is gone.

Please don't. This game makes it hard to sleep as it is :/

[Luna Fox]

Or option 4 Salt flips Individual Human and the Isolationist hit Beeboy and it means someone who is an individual.

I doubt a faction cop would be able to use the name of the race within it or it would function similar to faction + race cop

I am asking mastin anyway.
I'm using Kuroi as a base.