Gistou (Over!)

[Luna Fox]

I dont even know what's going on with the people in this game anymore if it takes like 80 pages to get SS lynched.

P-Edit: Yay thanks!

[Wake1]

I need a REAL condensed reason as to WHY I should vote SS.

[Luna Fox]

Meanwhile im standing here, on the equivalent of a cop guilty.
While you're proposing endangering your faction to potential recruiting.

A)

I have a life.

B)

This game has been huge and confusing for a long while until now.

C)

Have a hug.

I can understand that, but i highly suggest you read things like the culting mechanic before you do this.
I mean i could've let you go on anyways and let you get recruited since it's still town in the end (unless you get recruited by scum).
But i highly doubt the other members of your faction will reply to your call anyway.

[Luna Fox]

I need a REAL condensed reason as to WHY I should vote SS.

Because i've been claiming a guilty on the since like the start of the day phase?
Well it wasnt a guilty until they mentioned it was.

[Luna Fox]

I'll put it to you into perspective
I have a faction scan on them that heavily points to our possible global scum faction. However there's a chance i got redirected, in which case there's scum in my hood guaranteed.

So lynching SS is at best a scum lynch and at worst, narrows down lynch pool for scum.

[Wake1]

I'll put it to you into perspective
I have a faction scan on them that heavily points to our possible global scum faction. However there's a chance i got redirected, in which case there's scum in my hood guaranteed.

So lynching SS is at best a scum lynch and at worst, narrows down lynch pool for scum.

To progress the game I'd be willing to vote SS, but I need to know HOW EXACTLY you can guarantee there's Scum in your Hood if you were redirected.

[Luna Fox]

I'll put it to you into perspective
I have a faction scan on them that heavily points to our possible global scum faction. However there's a chance i got redirected, in which case there's scum in my hood guaranteed.

So lynching SS is at best a scum lynch and at worst, narrows down lynch pool for scum.

To progress the game I'd be willing to vote SS, but I need to know HOW EXACTLY you can guarantee there's Scum in your Hood if you were redirected.

Ok, i claimed faction cop pregame in my hood by accident thinking it was a masonry.
So the only way scum would've known is if there's scum in my hood.

[Wake1]

So you assume there's a Redirector in your Hood?

If Scum's in your Hood and they share a PT, the Redirector may NOT be in there, but that same Scum may be there.

Can you tell me the number of people in your Hood?

[Luna Fox]

Can you tell me the number of people in your Hood?

Unfortunately i cant give you this info right now, all i can tell you is what i've already told you.
There's a bigger summary somewhere in my ISO that explains the details of the scan and why i believe there's very low chance of redirection regardless, but if it happened the culprit is in the hood.

I never said the redirector was in the hood, but the scum in the hood that did the deed obviously would have a redirector in their faction.

[Luna Fox]

Summary: 5488

[Luna Fox]

Also:

Either way, on this whole thing.
It's either SS or someone in my hood, people need to take a stance the chances of being interfered with from outside of the hood factors are like less than 1%.

[Luna Fox]

People are also making assumptions of the contents of the hood and size, none of us have confirmed anything else aside from what we've already mentioned.
You're free to believe or disbelieve any assumptions made by other players on it.

[Wake1]

Can you tell me the number of people in your Hood?

Unfortunately i cant give you this info right now, all i can tell you is what i've already told you.
There's a bigger summary somewhere in my ISO that explains the details of the scan and why i believe there's very low chance of redirection regardless, but if it happened the culprit is in the hood.

I never said the redirector was in the hood, but the scum in the hood that did the deed obviously would have a redirector in their faction.

You

do

realize overtly withholding information from me with zero reason will be a bad idea down the road, right?

[Luna Fox]

Can you tell me the number of people in your Hood?

Unfortunately i cant give you this info right now, all i can tell you is what i've already told you.
There's a bigger summary somewhere in my ISO that explains the details of the scan and why i believe there's very low chance of redirection regardless, but if it happened the culprit is in the hood.

I never said the redirector was in the hood, but the scum in the hood that did the deed obviously would have a redirector in their faction.

You

do

realize overtly withholding information from me with zero reason will be a bad idea down the road, right?

On the contrary
Considering i've already mentioned that my faction needs to win with town AND survive, it makes sense that i need to withhold information lest all us be night killed and lose the game.

[Cephrir]

[Almost50]

@Cephrir:

Actually, this one is more suitable for the shitty situation we're all in..

You had something to hide
Should have hidden it, shouldn't you
Now you're not satisfied
With what you're being put through
It's just time to pay the price
For not listening to advice
And deciding in your youth
On the policy of truth

Things could be so different now
It used to be so civilised
You will always wonder how
It could have been if you'd only lied
It's too late to change events
It's time to face the consequence
For delivering the proof
In the policy of truth

Never again is what you swore
The time before
Never again is what you swore
The time before

Now you're standing there tongue tied
You'd better learn your lesson well
Hide what you have to hide
And tell what you have to tell
You'll see your problems multiplied
If you continually decide
To faithfully pursue
The policy of truth

Never again is what you swore
The time before
Never again is what you swore
The time before

[Tim]

It wasn't necessary to desecrate this public space with a flood of questions to mastin that could have been answered privately. That and people bemoaning the structure of the game. Grow up (please).

WT just isn't getting votes. Celt/(Bacde?) is though it seems (maybe marginally better there isn't a new VC), so in the interest of streamlining the day

VOTE: KlingonCelt

[Toogeloo]

Could you please confirm that the four flips we've had so far aren't Scum?

<<< No, I cannot. This is where your own role PM, and the mechanics post, comes into play. The informed minority in this game is scum. The uninformed majority in this game is town. This, I can say, because it is universal to any mafia game. How it manifests is given in the mechanics post. >>>

This statement cannot co-exist with this statement...

<<< I have expressed multiple times that I will attempt to clarify things if asked. If the clarification doesn't help, ask again and I will try to clarify even further. But I feel like I need to make an announcement on this subject all the same:
As a starting point...fuck special mechanics and treat this game like any normal mafia game. What conclusions, off of your and flipped, roles would you then make? Add in the mechanics post only

after

having done this. Not before. It will help like 90% of the questions I get asked. This is still a MAFIA game. It, therefore, follows basic mafia principles present in any mafia game. (I am not reinventing the wheel, here.) The remainder are, of course, why I continue to clarify as much as I can. >>>

[Toogeloo]

Let me simplify my stance today.

Mod won't elaborate on whether we have town flips or mafia flips thus far, but is encouraging us to play this game as if it were mafia none the less. So since we can't be 100% sure what alignment each player flipped is, we cannot make associations off of those flips.

Therefore, my position is that we have a cop guilty on a player. This player is claiming a cult power and making it sound town. This player is also claiming to be aligned with the same faction as a player who lied about their race and faction before they were lynched. Simply put, playing mafia, we lynch the cop result against the player claiming to cult town players to a different win condition.

[Toogeloo]

I will not be moving my vote the rest of the day, and I will be prod dodging as needed til a lynch occurs.

[rb]

It wasn't necessary to desecrate this public space with a flood of questions to mastin that could have been answered privately. That and people bemoaning the structure of the game. Grow up (please).

WT just isn't getting votes. Celt/(Bacde?) is though it seems (maybe marginally better there isn't a new VC), so in the interest of streamlining the day

VOTE: KlingonCelt

I agree WT is best lynch, but I think SS is better than Klingon now. I still have gut-feeling SS is town but this game's not moving forward until they die. I'm not going to vote yet, and I want to lynch SS/Klingon/WT.

[rb]

But hey whatever, I really don't care which of those 3 die. People need to gtfo LLD though.

[Expedience]

Toogeloo, I'm aware that you are a proud and pureblooded human but if you haven't managed to work out that individual vampire is town you'll just have to accept it.

If that faulty and overly literal interpretation leads you to vote Salt Squad, then fine.

But like, none of the flipped wincons have a 51% clause. The flavor strongly implies town. Mastin has repeatedly stressed that race != faction, and all non-humans can recruit.

We have only seen town flips so far. Also stop fearmongering about "cults :0", "what if its just ffa??", it's annoying to me because I don't feel like the setup is very hard to undersrand. Maybe Cephrir's gripe was valid, but.

Let's just lynch Salt Squad, we should all be able to agree on that (except RAM who is unambiguously scum).

[Bacde]

Hey what's up guys

[Expedience]

Hey, you probably should at least try to read the thread although it's mostly confusing spam, also sorry you replaced into a scum slot etc

For now you should vote Salt Squad, they have an effective cop guilty on them.