Gistou (Over!)

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I don't see a northen tribe flip with a redacted factional part

and yes I beleive they can recruit

I'm saying there might be more

and they might not be town

I don't like you guys considering that faction town like shit and moving on. this is just blantly unsetteling cuase its a huge assumption based on no logic

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Don't give this faction a free path

Okay, but are you not listening to what SS is even doing right now? Why would he, a scum faction in your words, claim he was a scum faction? Claim the wincon and everything and say he was aligned with Kuroi? Why would he not just use his give fakeclaim if he were scum? I don't see how Town isn't being reasonable here. Why didn't Kuroi use his fake claim?

This is the difference between SS and LLD right now. SS genuinely gets their wincon. LLD is still acting like she has no idea. I think that's because it's a fakeclaim.

~ Bins

what is he doing? scum hunting?

I beleive a scum will scum hunt in multiball for sure

screaming? yeah they will do that if pressured as eaither alignment

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I like to even call the way they reacted scummy not towny.

the way beeboy was insisting that he would fake claim if he was scum and refrenscing back to their vote on kuroi was scummy AF

~Ice

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can' you understand?

there is AT LEAST one mafia faction with requiering majority to win

that post from a mastin proves nothing about individual vampires treats or threatening factions.

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ALL I'm saying is that we don't know if their town

Don't just fucking call them town and move on

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I did my part and explained this fualty logic

I asked if they are a treat to my wincon and mastin refused to answer.

The Vampire faction is NOT mod confirmed town aligned.

Like the way cerb was not a friendly treestumper in saga

please don't ignore this on later days even If I wasn't around.

I need to chat with fire about our vote before casting it though

@luna do you have any clue what a new human treaty is?

~Ice

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Actually it seems like an event in the game and a hidden mechanic or the game end

I beleive you guys are the servivors who must live till the game end if you trutfully have no idea whats a new human treaty.

~Ice

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Also dont forget, whoever's scum also has fake claims, sooo.

I'm not trying to say if lld is scum you are as well or anything like it

I'm just trying understand this weird win condition

~Ice

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I mean someone must know what this means accoridong to their role pm , eaither the flavor part or the actual role

if its in hands of town we must get a discription of it soon in game. if not it seems its the name of a scum hidden mechinic trigger or simply referring to end game when a new humanity rules (eaither town or mafia (?))

or it simply refers to when all the humans are dead and no humans (vampires , lycans , undead , ...) are reffered to "new human"

is there any human with that wincon ? cuase I feel its something for not humans who must servive till some thing

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Oh and _MAYBE_ the Individual Vampires are part of this and can be part of the super-happy-fun-times. MAYBE.

ALL OF THE INDIVIDUAL Xs ARE TOWN JFC

mastin will you confirm this?

if not then shut up scum or town ; whatever are you <3

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actually now everyone is individual

right after it seemd claiming individual will modconfirm you as town

like holy crap

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has mastin answered a straightforward question about who is town yet? she's not about to start.

the thing is, though, either you believe SS, LLD and I have all just claimed scum, or you have a brain. those are the options. i don't have access to a fakeclaim, therefore i am town.

yes she told me privatly that the individual human wincondition (mine) is a town wincondition.

I beleive you guys claimed something and trying to tell us that its modconfirmed town which is not which make me think you guys are probably scum and this is a mindgame shitshow

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I never said you guys claimed scum

I'm saying whoever is taking you as confirmed town are mindless or just scum

now if your not scum scumhunt instead of screaming I won't claim scum

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he claimed individual what are you talking about?

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what was the exact wording of your result luna?

Isolated faction ?!

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that maybe is the Other thing?

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If my results got messed up with then there's guaranteed scum in our hood, which is great info to have.
If they didnt then SS is scum lying, which means this lynch is correct.

Stop being bad when you can wait a day to confirm me.

you claimed a recruiter

waiting a day for you to recruit someone new to your faction is not going to confirm you ; Its just incredibly antitown thing to ask for a reason to let you go

unless your claiming something else which is confirmable

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Lynching town for information is total crap.

so why are you voting LLD ?

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your voting stromblade I guess

sorry

hard to track in this shit. I thought your voting LLD

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Kuroi was town.....

I don't think so

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I mean maybe he was but even he was thinking he is scum from his role

why should I beleive otherwise based on a restricted flip shit?

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VOTE: Salt Squad

I beleive luna's guilty

@rb is kuroi town? if SS is telling the truth they will flip exactly like kuroi so how ill that exactly make the recriuted person conftown?

~Ice

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Stormblade's "mason buddy" shit looks scummy af with all this new info to me. I seriously am doubting she thought Nahdia thought she was a Mason in a Masonry with a bunch of confirmed town.

actually yes

I'm down with lynching Stormblade as well , ABR is scum , nahdia is sketchy and oppourtunistic and errant never delivered his promised.

~Ice

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rb confirmed enemy of the humanity treaty.

you missed the word "new" thats the thing with negative feeling about the whole shit

we don't know what the shit is that,

if thats in my way for lynching scum then I'm an enemy of that as well

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VOTE: Stromblade

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Stormblade's "mason buddy" shit looks scummy af with all this new info to me. I seriously am doubting she thought Nahdia thought she was a Mason in a Masonry with a bunch of confirmed town.

I didn't think it was a masonry. That was a cheeky way of saying "I don't think Luna is the spy."

-Nahdia

scum ^

you didn't say that
you were supposed to paraphrase errant post in your hydra pt

~Ice

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Stormblade's "mason buddy" shit looks scummy af with all this new info to me. I seriously am doubting she thought Nahdia thought she was a Mason in a Masonry with a bunch of confirmed town.

I didn't think it was a masonry. That was a cheeky way of saying "I don't think Luna is the spy."

-Nahdia

scum ^

you didn't say that
you were supposed to paraphrase errant post in your hydra pt

~Ice

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Whatever. I'm honestly bummed about rolling 2-shot BP because I'm more than happy to die in this game and get to spectating, like I wanted. So go ahead and lynch me. I'll be flipping a faction that you'll all argue to death over whether it's town. The answer is that it's town, and I win with some of you, including the Individual Humans, but others of you who are "town" probably need me dead, and I probably need you dead. That's how this game works.

-Nahdia

thats bold factional claims

explain

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rb confirmed enemy of the humanity treaty.

you missed the word "new" thats the thing with negative feeling about the whole shit

we don't know what the shit is that,

if thats in my way for lynching scum then I'm an enemy of that as well

i interpret as "humanity makes a new agreement to get along with each other and stop being assholes"

the fact an undead had that in wincon seems like "lets kill all humans and make a treaty for the

New

human being factions to live with eachother or something.

you know?

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Whatever. I'm honestly bummed about rolling 2-shot BP because I'm more than happy to die in this game and get to spectating, like I wanted. So go ahead and lynch me. I'll be flipping a faction that you'll all argue to death over whether it's town. The answer is that it's town, and I win with some of you, including the Individual Humans, but others of you who are "town" probably need me dead, and I probably need you dead. That's how this game works.

-Nahdia

thats bold factional claims

explain

You literally already have all the information in front of you. I'm not going to parse it for you anymore, I'm fucking sick of it.

Luna, stop trying to lynch RB. They're clearly Individual Human, and Individual Human wins with us.
-Nahdia

parse it to me from your pov

your saying there are town factions that can win with eachother and town factions that can't

your new human treaty is something like you guys can win with eachother but now with old original humans

so that make you scum ?

now parse your pov please.

~Ice

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what is the old treaty? and where this just came from suddenly

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fuck this game

I got a headache

bye for tonight

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VOTE: Klingon celt

maybe titus was on to you after all

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Ice head obviously

this is her scum play meta wise

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I've come to the conclusion that Luna's faction cop result is not fucked with, Salt Squad really is 'isolationist' - but isolationist doesn't mean scum/cult.

Read about the Individual Vampires - they're outcasts. Read about Kuroi's character Hans Pohl - he's an outcast. They're all

isolated and individual

and hold no particular allegiance to anyone. The 'Individual' factions are somewhat a neutral ground that win with a few different other WinCons. Also, 'isolationism' in political terms is commonly acccepted as meaning that you keep other people's business out of yours and you try to do the best with what you can (roughly speaking).

This all sounds very consistent with the flavour for Individual Vampires/Humans and I'm starting to really think that we've simply been reading isolationist wrong. Luna's result wasn't fucked with - Salt Squad IS an isolationist - but isolationist isn't the cult/scum indicator we thought it was.

then you believe SS had a fake claim

wtf are you talking about

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oh I see you beleive her result was another name for the same claimed faction

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By the way...general note:
If you want votecounts faster...don't switch your votes literally every other post.
I've given up on identifying all of the vote switches at this point, since I ran out of ways for players who had changed votes SO MANY TIMES that I couldn't think of what would be next in the system.
/rantrantmoddingishard.

we love you mastin <3

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SS is telling us to let them live today and we lynch them Day 3. They tell us their conversion target and then when they die they flip Town, so we know the person they converted is also Town.

there is a little flow in this plan you know?

if SS is scum and they redirect someone and lie about the person they recruited we won't get anything and maybe one of us will turn to a scum

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I think we should all ignore scum Klingon because I am likely being tracked ^_^
If I was scum and needed 1 night action I would just do what Ram said and say isolationist faction was a town faction.

luna claimed the result after you outed yourself as a vampire

or I'm mistaking the timing ?

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My townread on ASOIAF has dwindled a bit... they seem to be a bit brash about the way they play this game and it's not towny. and I'm starting to get paranoid that I just don't know how to read Frozen Angel, I know she apparently rarely gets lynched even as scum so I was probably naive to townread them so quickly.

I don't like this game ; I hate the way win conditions are written

and I think you are scum regardless. I don't care about luna's read on you. I know its going be really hard to achieve a lynch on you but I don't like your slot to live spescially becuase of the other heads in your hydra

now excuse me I litterally don't care how much barsh I'm looking like or how much your trying to make eeryone paranoid of me with these shady reads . your slot is 90% scum from my pov and I want it dead.

~Ice

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¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯¯\_(ツ)_/¯

scum shrugs ^^^^

~Ice

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scum shrugs ^^^^

~Ice

It does look pretty scummy, I feel like the smile curves upwards too far in a way that suggests scum knowledge?

no the way she is not trying to engage with me after I shared my concerns about her slot over and over and instead is just making a shady response "I'm not so sure about ASOIAF being town anymore" shit is scummy

shrugging it of is scummy

~Ice

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I care so little about your read on me. I don't even care if I'm lynched, I've made that clear. Frozen, I do like you as a person, but you're exhausting to have any sort of discussion with in the course of mafia. I don't have the energy nor the desire to entertain one of your emotionally charged pushes right now. So yeah, I'm shrugging you off.

and thats why I asked if anyone has any problem with me before joining the game

I'm what I am now I am in this game. You have no right to ignore me

~Ice

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Also, how is Wayward a 'random' - do explain this one to me because it seems like there's a good portion of people who think he's scum, while like 1/3rd of the game just completely ignores/doesn't interact with him despite him being a massive scum suspect. Oh and then there's the Kuroi counter-wagon on Day 1, and now people deflecting from Wayward to lynch LLD on the basis of "But CleTUS, Her RAce Is WuLDen!!!!!!!!"

Mastin: Race =/= faction
Idiots: Lynch LLD! Her Race is Wulden!

ROFL @ THIS GAME

so much this

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I don't like the way LLD reacted and make me feel the individual wulden is a fake claim

but at the same time the information lynch orby flavor its cult cuase its wulden or whatever other shit is that wagon is based of is so fucking stupid

~Ice

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I can confirm my location. its other.

but I really don't know what that result suppose to mean.

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Ice head obviously

this is her scum play meta wise

Neither one of you have ever been able to spot my Scum meta. Or my Town meta for that matter.

I'm Undead with Dram's WinCon.

I saw enough from you to judge you meta wise

your today catchup felt like I'm in saga all over again.

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I can confirm my location. its other.

but I really don't know what that result suppose to mean.

It means someone (x) used a Night Action on you.

It means I checked your Location

It means someone else (y) checked your location +/or nation +/or race.

so what is this going to mean and why the fuck you outed this info?

~Ice

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I can confirm my location. its other.

but I really don't know what that result suppose to mean.

It means someone (x) used a Night Action on you.

It means I checked your Location

It means someone else (y) checked your location +/or nation +/or race.

so what is this going to mean and why the fuck you outed this info?

~Ice

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2 things I really hated about rb in fast few pages that are really unsetteling

1 . his question about me being culted or protected when klingon outed I was targetted. thats so damn picky

2 . the way he is calling whoever express concern about him scum

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@A50

I was reading your last page and my role is against some part of that big description thats the much I will claim

~Ice

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That require me to first faction claim

and I won't do that for your satisfaction

~Ice

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I'm just saying there is a part in there that is wrong

so the whole idea might get rejected.

I'm absoloutly sure this game is not breakable flavor wise and thats a wrong way for analyzing it.

~Ice

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Could you please confirm that the four flips we've had so far aren't Scum?

<<< No, I cannot. This is where your own role PM, and the mechanics post, comes into play. The informed minority in this game is scum. The uninformed majority in this game is town. This, I can say, because it is universal to any mafia game. How it manifests is given in the mechanics post. >>>

just stop it

I bet kuroi was thinking he is mafia when he got lynched. what kind of game is this when people don't know if their town or mafia?

why can't you just notify each player about the fact the flipped players were their enemies or not?

Is your falvor story reliable source or just flavor?

~Ice

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You just want everything given to you instead of doing the leg work?
Fine i'll do the leg work for you
All 4 flips were town
You're welcome

No I want mod confirmation

I don't want a buzzinga at end game hey kuroi faction couldn't win with you



If they are town why their flipping from different factions? how they can win with eachother if they can? and which need to kill which?

so this is restricted info

is there a way to analyze a shit and get a clue about it or flavor stories are just stories?

do you know how can you win? yes dram is town to you cuase she had same wincin you have. It doesn't look obv town to me who is standing here comparing that role to mine.

~Ice

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happy birthday mastin <3

I really like the favor and I appriciate the amount of time you spent in designing this but I can't play this the way it is right now. I really hope something change soon (maybe by seeing a scum flip and something obvious that seprate the scums from towns) or your clarification about it.

anyway bye

need to go out

~Ice

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If they are town why their flipping from different factions? how they can win with eachother if they can? and which need to kill which?

Look at their win condition.
Look at the mechanics post.
Even if they are all dead, even if they are from different factions, as long as their threats are eliminated they win.
That sounds Town in my book.

This so called towns might need to kill each other and might have different requiered threats.

I need to know if anyof them is my faction's threat or not.

and dram is not like anyone else. as far as I'm now this wincon will be triggered at some point of the game when an event "new human treaty" triggers.

I have no reason to beleive that is something good for town ; cuase you know the only person flipped was undead.

I need to know there is a way for figuring stuff out and I need this way to be mod confirmed. If there is a way to analyze the flavor stories and relize hey "everyone are sad fror this dead it was town though" I need to know I can relay on stories.

I have nothing to seprate town from scum atm and I can't play this.

~Ice

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You claimed a guilty on me.

Hold on a second! How do you KNOW "isolationist" = GUILTY??

Oh hey that's a good point.

SS claimed something else

the fact SS hasn't claim "isolationist" is the guilty not the fact its "isolationist"

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If they are town why their flipping from different factions? how they can win with eachother if they can? and which need to kill which?

Look at their win condition.
Look at the mechanics post.
Even if they are all dead, even if they are from different factions, as long as their threats are eliminated they win.
That sounds Town in my book.

The point is that the "Threats" are ambigious since some factins might have other factions as threats and we don't know it, and only they know that. Which faction is the true "Town" like the mechanic page specifically was vauge that their was at least "one" town faciton, but you say everyone who has flipped is town. How is everyone town, but we don't know their threats if they are different factions and their enemies are not told to us?

I am thinking right now this is just a ridiculous puzzle to be solved, and part of me desn't want to bother.
I think Salt Squad needs a flip based on wht I have seen.

~Fire

I am pretty upset with this games vagueness.

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@Math

I read your post , I beleive so to

this is a mafia inside mafia , so tell me which flipped faction can win with which other faction?

do you know who you should eleminate as a member of your faction and what others are town with you?

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If you really want to replace out because you cant figure out the game go ahead, i dont blame you, this game is pretty hard to figure out, i however am having fun trying to figure it out, and mastin put effort into making this, and im not letting that effort go to waste.
But being here complaining that you dont know what anything means, and not listening to the people actually trying to make sense of the game isnt going to make scum magically pop out of nowhere.
P-Edit: This is directed at the people that feel like replacing out because "it isnt a game of mafia".

I Don't have any problem with a hard game to figuring out

I just want a game that has any kind of way garanteeing you can figure out what the fuck you should do.

and I don't wanna replace out. this is one of the only things I can do during this boring period of my life :/

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I guess I'm just going to play as a Survivor then.

I have no trustworthy information to work with.

I truly feel like this tbh.

~Firebringer

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and dram is not like anyone else. as far as I'm now this wincon will be triggered at some point of the game when an event "new human treaty" triggers.

Yes, im aware, i have that same wincon too, i also dont know when or how this triggers, i have no idea what i need to do to win or who the threats to this are.
What i do know is that if you have a role PM similar to those other 3 flipped as you claim you should have even less confusion than me, and im not complaining.

I know for a fact that two of the flipped are town for not having a factional redacted part (no night kill - no fake claim ...) and maybe more reasons or not...

so yes I know two person are definietly town.

I don't know anything else beside kuroi wins the game when all the treats to individual vampire thingi are gone and dram wins when something triggers,

and yes I know that kuroi doesn't want majority to win. I don't know if I can win with kuroi or not cuase thats kindda important info to know what is your wincondition. isn't it?

yes I'm going to assume he was town. but this is redicolous that even he was thinking he is mafia .

~Ice

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so luna is in informed faction

lets lynch her?

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I am kind of like, maybe if we see more flips I will understand this game better? But I also think that approach is dangerous...
Meh.

I don't know if I will figure it out.

~Fire

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in a sense, all factions have this goal (because every mafia game has that goal:

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in a sense, all factions have this goal (because every mafia game has that goal:

Fixed

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I really have a feeling all these lost players are town, I really doubt scum is really lost coz they probably have an easier to understand win con (like the 50% of the living which is pretty straight forward)

They are likely town in the sense they are likely not against the town, but their "threats" are vague in that we don't know if they are part survivor faction or are against the scum faction. I don't know, I am just going to ignore win conditions for next few days and hope for the best.

~Fire

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ok new philosophy.

i'm town.

if at the end of the game i'm told that i lost because i didn't understand semantics, i will choose to believe that i won.

the end. i will make this mafia even if it is not mafia.

That moment when you have to decide on your own win condition because the mod is too vague.

~Fire

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Luna, I'm more inclined to think the lost players lack the ability to comprehend text,

I is stupid, can you explainz mafia to me in words I can comprehend?
Oh wait, I can't because I can't comprehend text, sorryz

~Firebringer

Seriusly, I might make my own win condition, annoy the fuck out of cerb for this game.

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<<< Important to note:
If a wincon specifies, "all threats to *your faction* are eliminated", then even if all members of that faction are deceased, they will win posthumously if their wincon is fulfilled. Going to bed soon, but carry on. >>>

This is actually really helpful. Thank you Mastin.

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Pedit: good luck FB. Unfortunately, you've tipped your hand, and now I know to disregard your posts! Mwahaha!

You are the definition of evil my friend.

Too bad, I am persistent, so let me say again.
Plz explainz how you play mafia, because this is my first time sir, I don't understand how you do it.
Can you like show me what I do? Do I press the b button?

~Fire

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Cephrir.....what the fuck difference does it really make? Unless you have a kill and need to be aware of whether or not you may be removing those who could enable your victory, it doesn't fucking matter man. You'll live or die based on the reads vigs and the rest of the town have on you, and whether or not you're a threat to scum.

You knowing whether you need to be alive or not doesn't you want the game to last any more nights than it has to, soo...doesn't matter.

-Cerb

Sorry sir, I thought you weren't going to engage in this talk anymore because it was "noise", you making the noise sir, I am sorryz me wh doeesn't understand mafia still understands that

Can you like, scumhunt bro?

~Fire

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From what i gather your faction appears to be human no?
Do you believe having everyone of your faction claim and putting themselves as tasty bait for non human recruit is a good idea?

I don't recall that part.

If there are non-human members of my Faction, perhaps it would be safer for them.

(Keep in mind I haven't read through 200 pages of speculation.)

are you kidding me ?

flavor claim

faction claim

whatever claim is definietly antitown at this point spescially now that we don't know what the fuck we are against at.

~Ice

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VOTE: Salt squad

before I forget

I don't like the faction their claiming . I don't like the way he reacted to the guilty. I don't like the way SC jumped on kuroi wagon and there is a guilty here

so I'm absoloutly fine with this lynch. lets get things going.

~Ice

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Hey what's up guys

who are you?

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temp vc :

Salt Squad - 10 (davesaz, Cephrir, Klingoncelt, Almost50, Luna Fox, Expedience, copper223, Toogeloo, Mathblade, A Song of Ice and Fire)
Klingoncelt - 4 (Salt Squad, Wayward Thinker, DrippingGoofball, Tim)
Lady Lambdadelta - 2 (Wake88, RAM)
Almost50 - 1 (Lady Lambdadelta)
Wake88 - 1 (No Retreat)
Cephrir - 1 (Nosferatu)
RAM - 1 (Stormblade)

Not Voting - 4 (Heartless, TheWayItEnds, RachMarie, rb)

did it on my bed. not sure if its correct - didn't double check like I usually do when I make a VC

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SS is at L3

if I counted right

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If the result is really tempered with I'm more suspicious of something like bussdriver

~Ice

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Ram I don't understand you

your saying the result is not tempered with but you think SS is town ?

~Ice

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Ram I don't understand you

your saying the result is not tempered with but you think SS is town ?

~Ice

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Ram I don't understand you

your saying the result is not tempered with but you think SS is town ?

~Ice

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Wtf ?!

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how can you be certain that the scum faction with access to that hood has a redirection ability in the first place?

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I'm not, but given that

SS' reaction to the result on him didn't(and still doesn't) make sense for scum

, the only reasonable assumption was that Luna had been redirected.

you said this multiple times. explain.

~Ice

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w8 luna claimed before ss claim their faction?!

this is really hard to investigate. can someone confirm this or deny it?

SS saying "now man , you got redirected" can be from his town or scum. I can see it more from his scum tbh.

and yeah I think the way they claimed "individual vampire" and tried to prove its town is something to consider of. it can be from a SS who is cought in somthing and needs to stay consistant about the faction they claimed till the end though so its NAI.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

RAM, who was Karl Braun, Isolationist

Redirector

/Conditional Bulletproof/Champion, has died N2.

OMFG

LOL

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

In starcraft 2 we would call that a Massacre. Literally so many bodies.

VOTE: Klingoncelt

~Fire

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Spoiler: Dead Players

KuroiXHF, Hans Pohl,

Individual Vampire Doctor,

Lynched D1
Titus, Gyles Kaiser,

West Empire Champion,

Killed N1.
dramonic, Eugine Lysander,

Undead Risen Slave

, Killed N1.
BBMolla, Julia Otho,

Individual Human Jailkeeper,

Killed N1.
Salt Squad (SirCakez + beeboy + Heat),

Basilis Erastos, Isolationist,

Lynched D2.
Luna Fox, who was Demetria Kleon

, Undead Risen Slave Faction Cop,

Died N2
RAM, who was Karl Braun,

Isolationist Redirector/Conditional Bulletproof/Champion

, has died N2.
Cephrir, who was Alexander Lorenz,

Isolationist Ninja/Conditional Tracker,

has died N2.
Stormblade, who was Mark Nikanor,

Undead Risen Slave

2x-Bulletproof, has died N2.
copper223, who was Hermes Bion,

Undead Risen Slave,

has died N2.

Remaining alive:
Heartless (Antihero + TellTaleHeart)
Bacde
Almost50
Nosferatu
Mathblade
Wayward Thinker (LicketyQuickety + Suzune)
davesaz
Wake88
Tim (Iecerint + ActionDan)
No Retreat (Nero Cain + Yume)
A Song of Ice and Fire (Frozen Angel + Firebringer)
Lady Lambdadelta
rb
Expedience
TheWayItEnds
DrippingGoofball
Toogeloo
RachMarie

Okay, I am thinking theres probably at least 2 more isolationist and they are our main enemies.
I need to process the location/race/group links to see if there is some recurring elements?

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Vote: LLD

Isolationist wincon suggests there are no good Wulden, and with three dead Isolationists, I think going after the Cult today would be the best course.

What the Isolationist win condition says that they can't win with them. How does that make them enemies of town?

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Ohh wait, I think wulden is anti town too, thats why its included in the Isolationist win con.
Yeah, okay we should go after Wulden too.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I feel like an idiot.

Yeah, I think we should push bacde here though.
I am not feeling comfortable with them.

VOTE: Bacde

Bacde = Kling slot.

~Fire

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Fire the game is like obviously Isolationists / wulden : mafia + a cult against the rest.

I think undeads were really survivors. RIP

KC is the last remaining player between them isn't she? that makes her a wulden spy isn't it?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I hope there is at least one member of the Undead Risen Slaves still alive out there. It would be a total dick move for them to be completely wiped out after the scan was responsible for the first scum lynch and then they lose as a result.

We know KC is very probable a wulden not someone aligned with luna and her team. wtf are you saying?

I won't let that slot live becuase the faction she was spying on helped us so much

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I am completely on board with LLD push and lynch though. I need to review day 2 and see her claim again.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@rb I think your wrong about wuldens. I think they have a cult function as well but their not the misterious cult mastian warned us about in the first game post flavor. read it again

I'm like 100% positive the game has 3 scum factions atm : wuldens , Isolationists (already done ?) and the mysterious cult

and yep both LLD and KC need to go. I'm interested to your read on Mathblade. guide me through this read of yours please.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I like to know where will hunters and lycans fit in this game state though

There is litterally no clue about them atm , hmmm

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@Bacde your slot was in this game and with us made 235 pages shit though.

Based on flips, I think DGB is town. Mathblade too. DGB's (lack of) play worried me but she was pushing for lynches on RAM. I don't see her bussing like that when there's already a guilty on SS in the same faction, because she could have just bussed SS for towncred like Cephrir did. Mathblade I need to check, but IIRC she was happy lynching both RAM and SS as well. Again I think it's unlikely that the scum would bus on RAM if there's already a guilty on SS. Also I nationed checked Math and she was West Empire. It seems to me that the West Empire Nation being scum is an anomaly. I'm more inclined to think she's Titus' faction or another Town, not scum. We need a cult flip BADLY at this point though to know what their general patterns are but for now I think Mathblade is town.

these way for calling people town is worrying me though. This is multibal I don't like the way your giving credit to dgb and yourself.
Feels budding not sure how should I look at this.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

its about the fact it was mod confirmed for them there might be a "Wulden" Spy in the hood. mod clarified even the race of the spy. I think it has 0% chance for it being a full undead party you know

plus KC was just her Saga Frontier scum day 2

do something else if you wanna defend yourself instead of BS'ing. why KC claimed her visit result on me like that ? whats your read on people lynching SS yesterday?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

what was your last night result Bacde ?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@ASOIAF: I think I already explained my townread of Math in 5850.

Also in a game with 18 players and 3 dead scum, is it really that crazy I'd have 4 townreads after like 235 pages and almost 10 flips? I don't think so tbh. Are you trying to say I have a lack of town-like suspicion or something?

I'm saying the reasons your finding to make a town block are silly.

DGB giving no shit for lynching any isolationists means nothing obviously. I can't see anyone townreading anyone else for that in an obvious multibal game.

and nation is not making anyone town confirmed. so the way your trying to make math clear is weird as well. I was wondering if there is anything in math posts that your clearing her for it or its just the nation check

I have town reads as well (even on the same persons you have occasionally) but I'm not forming a townblock in a cult included game like this and screaming hey my reads were correct (although they were mainly) cuase it means nothing in a multibal game . the way you started today is Icky and makes me wonder.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

But look it's okay because with scum dead it's likely we can actually finally kill Wayward Thinker so I don't really care about you anyway. But if you are INDEED the last person in your hood then it's pretty likely you're scum - because every single member of your hood that we knew of, who has NOW FLIPPED TOWN - was thinking that there was a Scum/Cult spy in their hood. So you being last alive in what has so far been an All-Town hood? Oh boy, this is juicy.

So basically you are searching for reasons for me to be scum rather than ya know... Making reads?

Lol

why are you 1 v 1 ing with rb in this. I voted you last page for the very same reason and I want you dead maybe even more than he do, I don't like the way your BSing around and ignoring my questions.

You know what will help you? to get lynched. then you won't need to read a 235 page game and you may stop whining about it.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

what was your last night result Bacde ?

~Ice

You gonna say that "mod said there MIGHT be a spy so you MUST be a.spy" and not even read my <10 posts?

are you the last person on that neighborhood or not?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I'm telling you what happened in game and why you must die so you can die properly or help us understand.

I won't do that if you ask us to lynch you one more time instead of answering my questions.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

K done with this

can we end today faster than last days? if there is nothing else to discuss I mean. I guess we have perfectly fine leads and Bacde is just in pain.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

DGB was also happy to lynch LLD, who was Wulden. Who could probably be scum. She was wanting to lynch both Isolationists AND Wulden. She's clearly not Isolationist and if LLD flips cult as I suspect she will then I think DGB is not cult either.

Actually maybe she's just cult and bussing cult like Cephrir was scum bussing scum. Point taken, DGB is townlean for me.

Also I never said nation made anyone town confirmed. Please read the following carefully so we can stop this pointless interaction.

We know that things like Nation/Location are _GENERAL_ indicators. GENERALLY speaking, West Empire has been TOWN players (Titus/BBMolla/someone else). We just killed Scum from West Empire (Salt Squad), which means that I think we've already killed at least one of the the West Empire EXCEPTIONS to the rule which means it's much more likely the remaining members adhere to the GENERAL rule. Yes, they could be scum/cult but I like their play, their voting patterns and the way the flips and their Nation match up with one another.

ASOIAF this is literally the most useless interaction can we please not repeat Day 1. I don't really care if you don't want to form a townblock, I want to have one for at least Day 3. It's obviously subject to review each day and it's not like I'm just going, "oh hay guyz these are town and that read will never ever change 100% confirmed town rest of game kthx" so if that's what you're worried about then don't.

I understand your feelings. my comment was not something for interacting with you. I just didn't like what you did and I expressed how it alarmed me.

but what about it was like anything happened in day 1? I can't remember.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

it wasn't that. I asked about your read on me I explained why your concern about me is wrong you tried to advertise like I was saying "hey townread me cuase I'm town".

what about it was similar to what I told about your today's intial post?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

That this interaction is turning really shit and unproductive because it's not based on you actually scumreading/scumhunting me, you just dislike something about my play and it's going to take me like 47 posts just to demonstrate to your satisfaction that our difference in playstyles isn't some scumtell. Or something like that.

Its not unproductive to me.

I feel you can be a very ambitious scum who is acting like a leader atm to make everyone feel they are solving the game but they are so picky in doing it.

but its all my paranoia you know. I might be wrong eaitherway about you hence I'm talking to you about the stuff your posting.

Its not me disliking your playstyle. I'm trying to see if playing according to that style and the amount of your consistancy in it is making your town or scum.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

why KC outed the result on me the way she did Bacde?

is there any reason for her to do so from your pov?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

why KC outed the result on me the way she did Bacde?

is there any reason for her to do so from your pov?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

ASOIAF: is there any reason you would not want to lynch Nosferatu?

when did I say that? I have no read on him , its one of the lurky slots in game that I want to do something soon or die . I'm just trying to understand this guilty cuase I'm sure a scum Bacde wouldn't lie about his results and I see no reason for a scum rach to lie about the one she visited to counter it.

The only thing about nos is that he is not an isolationist becuase of an accurate race check on one he claimed last day,

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

K done with this

can we end today faster than last days? if there is nothing else to discuss I mean. I guess we have perfectly fine leads and Bacde is just in pain.

~Ice

???
Why are you freaking out

That post I'm quoting has literally the answer to every question you've asked.me, did you even read it?

Its not freaking out

I said if you post one more time "go ahead and lynch me instead of answering me" I will do that and I did it. I'm giving you another chance though

answer the fucking question?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

What was your night 1 results?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

and still bacade is not telling his night 1 results ...

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

WAIT. Rach and Bacde stop for a moment.

Rach: RAM was a Redirector. What if they redirected from themselves onto Luna? That would explain why Bacde saw Nosferatu AND RachMarie go visit Luna. Yes? Is this possible? Mastin can you confirm?

this needs nosferatu action claim first.

but how did Ram died then if he was redirected to someone else?

strongman?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

>.>

I know for a fact that I'm not culted and I can't be culted so if you have info about nosferatu being a cult leader please claim them instead of harrassing me like this rb

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

^ @MathBlade

It seems likely to me the PLAYER Nosferatu is cult because: They visited ASOIAF. ASOIAF didn't die. He said nothing about their race.

They visited Cephrir: Cephrir didn't die, he found out his race was Nosferatu and wanted to lynch him.

Isolationist are primarily Nosferatu and need to kill all Wulden.

Presumably, cult needs to kill the Nosferatu then? Or something like that? Also, race-cop is likely a cult ability to help with the recruiting process no? I'm just trying to put it all together and it seems like Nosferatu the PLAYER is cult.

If for real nos visited us night 1 and I didn't die the guilty means no shit cuase luna's only visitor is not a killer. so it was a ninja kill or the watch was redirected some how.

I don't know any shit about nosfertu and I won't claim no shit no more unless there is an intended wagon on lynching me.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

maybe ram redirected KC slot to himself

thats why he thinks he saw luna visitors but he saw rach visiting RAM

bacade is your result writen in a way your sure who was the one you were watching?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

oh yeah he didn't saw RAM as he claimed

the night result is just not adding up >.>

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@mastin if RAM was redirecting A to B a watcher on B whould see RAM action or a watcher on A ?

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

he is wulden if he is scum

he is a member of the party which is confirmed undead or wulden members are in it.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

he tried to bodyguard luna

what are you saying tne?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

TWIE I mean obviously

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Finally we're getting closer to agreeing with eachother. I like the way you explained how ASoIaF role works referring to the FACT that Human!Titus had this in her role PM: "Any attempt to recruit you to a different faction will fail."

Not confirming or denying this at all though. read what I said however you want.

@Nos so your sure you ended up targetting RAM last night ?

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

actually wait no. bacde didn't say you checked storm with the race check

bacde wasn't watching storm was he

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

oh w8 if he was redirected to ram and bacde ended up watching barre he should have seen both check and his ability huh

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

oh w8 if he was redirected to ram and bacde ended up watching barre he should have seen both check and his ability huh

~Ice

actually no !

During the night, you may redirect a player. You must choose "check" or "role" to redirect. You cannot redirect both.

I was just rechecking flips and I saw this in Ram's flip

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I doubt that bacade / KC were lieing about their role willingly like that,

its just has nothing to do with their faction

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Hey guys RAM also visited Luna fox lol I didn't mention it before

are you kidding me

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Spoiler:

I mean sure, ppl can watch/protect me, and in that case im open again to scan in there instead of lynching, if that's the route we're going.

Why would anyone in their right minds waste a protect on you?

You sold out your entire neighborhood.

Dram is dead.

Your fault.

You cannot be trusted.

Now a Tracker, yes, putting a Tacker on you would be great.

BTW, since you couldn't be bothered with asking me for my results, Little Miss Team Player:

A Song of Ice and Fire -
Location is Other,
Visited by xxx with a Night Action,
Visited by Klingoncelt and also by yyy, each with a check action

Go ahead and Lynch me if you must but nosferatu visited Luna fox and was the only person to do so and Luna fox died overnight

Rach Marie also checked Luna fox so there is my watcher proof

My whole undead slave faction but me is now dead

Why do ppl want to Lynch Kling? What happened in the game.before this

N1

Watch and check song of ice and fire

Nosferatu visited with a night action
Kling invest visited with a check
Heartless visited with a check

Hey guys RAM also visited Luna fox lol I didn't mention it before

So he's claiming:

Night 1:
Check location of A Song of Ice and Fire: Other
Watch A Song of Ice and Fire: Nosferatu visited with a night action, Klingoncelt and RachMarie visited with a check action

Night 2:
Watch Luna Fox: Nosferatu and RAM visited with a night action, RachMarie visited with a check action

This is right? I was confused

Then the reason he isn't voting Nosferatu or anything is because he actually doesn't have a guilty on him at all and RAM probably killed Luna Fox, even though he never acknowledges this.

I think I believe him, I want it to be possible for Bacde to be telling the truth.

Both rach and nosfertu claimed they ended up visiting RAM not luna so he was clearly watching ram and he si telling truth, Ram is the redirector who switched his watch ability from luna to himself or is one of the redirectors as nos claimed there is another one.

I beleive him too and I might end up voting LLD as well

Bacde shouldn't live though , he is the last remaining player from a group who was screaming two days about a wulden spy between them who are all flipped undead.

and KC was an exact replica of her saga scum game last game.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I was waiting for LLD to show up and defend herself. she seems preety flaked atm - gave up scum maybe

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

posting a cyan shit is not clearing any one >.> mod confirmed she gives fake claim to scums by they request !

the game is not breakable by flavor NOR the color claims!

stop messing up this game , I'm sick of this

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

The question is, in a world where bacde is telling the truth, how does he magically see Nosferatu. In other words, what fantastical power makes Nosferatu target RAM instead of his intended target of stormblade.

2 redirectors maybe?
I don't know

why should nos lie? and why should bacade lie? he actually saw ram visitors so there is that.

I'm sure they didn't lie about their visits or abilities. its just not saying anything about their win conditions and factions.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

It makes sense for mastin to make a mistake sending the result though.

bacade claim she did.

bacade had no idea of ram visiting the one he was watching before but mastin corrected him potentially.

I don't think anyone lies about mod errors ever. thats a modkillable offense

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I'm standing by my earlier deduction.

I need to get a wulden flip. in a full town flipped neighbourhood with modconfirmed "wulden" potential spy , the only remaining player was scummy as fuck meta wise and play wise

I don't care if its a watcher or the last standing of their nation. they need to die.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I don't know >.>

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

the only redirect claims so far were nosferatu's and we are assuming KC slots ?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

oh yeah I forgot you BG didn't work as well >.>


maybe you were just blocked

~ce

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

that's another scenario yeah

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

intent to vote LLD

assume your at L1

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

nah just fully flaked, hoenstly.

Hard week, very hard week + being ill.

your here now

talk

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

No?

I don't care, vote me if you want this is a bad game.

I'm town, but it's like, I'm not bothered either way.

:/

It wasn't a bad game for the humanity so far

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@ASOIAF: who else is scum to you? Why?
Who is town to you?

by else I think you mean LLD ?
bacade is scum and that slot needs to die

heartless is worrying me. that slot is to distant

I think your town after all the way you accused me for being culted and stuff . I think toog is town for the way he claimed day 1. I don't know if his northen claim today which is opposing his individual human claim .

almost50 is playing weird. its something between his town and scum meta and I'm really confused here >.>

Rach is a town probably in the way kuroi was.

Math posts are strong and townish.

thats all I have atm

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

no like it's a bad game because it''s not mafia, it's like barely a game.

So I'm apathetic.

Its a game

and its definitely mafia.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I'm sure wake was talking about his faction

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

why you didn't vote nosferatu right away when day started?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

to Bacde

he claimed mod sent him wrong result first without ram and nos was the only one who visited luna. he claimed he has a guilty and he was trying to push that for dodging contributing anything else but he never even voted nosfertu

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

there are Isolationists they are bad and their race is nosterfaru

The races are not unique in factions though

SS flipped vampire for proving that

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

The undead faction was good but had an evil spy

if your believing that your saying bacade is 100% scum wulden

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

there is a chick who was treated badly who was part of the bringing together of humans and others for the treaty and she was tortured but she is still alive.

who are you talking about

This is like your talking about Bacde the only alive person in the treaty who you just said is scum in two sentences above or am I misunderstanding?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

no the treaty is between humans and a few others associated with the humans like the undead flips

where is this info coming from?

the only flipped people with treaty wincon were undeads

the only people who claimed to has the treaty wincon out of the party were LLD and Cephir which one is a very suspected scum wulden and the other already flipped isolationist

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

why you didn't vote nosferatu right away when day started?

~Ice

Good question

and the answer?

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I have an answer which is probably right and I know you won't like it

but I prefer to here about it from you.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

all of them said it - not just luna

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

and I'm sure if your truly what you are you would admit the same thing cuase they said mastin confirmed it in their neighbourhood pt

its like your trying to deny it

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Lmao do you expect me to make something up?

I just didn't end up voting because this game is confusing and right off the bat I was fighting off obstinate fucks trying to Lynch me

It seems like I made he right choice since there is a lot of talk of redirector/ninja/strongman

Why is my answer important to you? I doubt it would help you read me or find scum

let me help you

did you or did you not believe you had a guilty back there?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Yes mastin confirmed it's a possibility to us,

can I please see your source that states that there is a confirmed spy in existence no possibility of one not existing 100% there as you are insisting?????

Because this information is new to me

no one said its definite.

what did exactly mastin told you and where did she do that?

i want all the info your slot had.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I thought it was likely, but didn't vote because it wasn't an emergency and I'm not exactly a town leader in a game I replaced into fucking 250+ pages in

Go ahead and Lynch me if you must but nosferatu visited Luna fox and was the only person to do so and Luna fox died overnight

Dude I'm a pretty with a guilty I'm not gonna play on your terms

you were pretty confident in that though

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Yes mastin confirmed it's a possibility to us,

can I please see your source that states that there is a confirmed spy in existence no possibility of one not existing 100% there as you are insisting?????

Because this information is new to me

no one said its definite.

what did exactly mastin told you and where did she do that?

i want all the info your slot had.

~Ice

Actually rach Marie exactly said it's definite

How about you fucking check your shit before you try to smugly correct and address me

Your slot is scum

I'm trying to make sure about it and showing it to others.

now answer instead of backtracking.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

rach assume he is telling the truth about being watcher and he was redirected to RAM

what is that telling you?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

RAM couldn't have visited himself could he?

I asked a question while ago

I will iso mastin to see if she answered it or she forgot in a minute

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

How about you fuck off and stop talking down to me

If you ever want to talk to me as a townie I'll address you again

Your help is no longer wanted

I'm not helping you out

I'm playing to sort you and if I find you guilty lynch you

now instead of doing this answer. cuase all you did today was apeasing and dodging

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@mastin if RAM was redirecting A to B a watcher on B whould see RAM action or a watcher on A ?

@Mastin

Please <3

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

There was a race cop check on LLD night 1 and she was a Wulden

she claimed Individual Wulden with the same treaty wincon the undead faction has (no one beside undeads has the treaty as we know and the only other person who claimed it out of neighbourhood was cephir who flipped isolationist)

and in Isolationist wincon its stated they need to eleminate all Wulden's to win and it suggests wuldens are all a scum faction opposing isolationists.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

How about you fuck off and stop talking down to me

If you ever want to talk to me as a townie I'll address you again

Your help is no longer wanted

I'm not helping you out

I'm playing to sort you and if I find you guilty lynch you

now instead of doing this answer. cuase all you did today was apeasing and dodging

~Ice

Lmao fuck off

All I've done since this morning is directly answer your asinine questions and now you accuse me of dodging?

You are just throwing around Mafia terms to pretend you are a better scum hunter than you actually are

I'm done with you

I'm not done with you or anybody though

I asked simple important questions that I ant their answers. so the way your ignoring me is just not helping you

plus if you insult me once more I will report it to the listmods to see how is it going to be treated k?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

The question you dodged :

what did exactly mastin told you and where did she do that?

i want all the info your slot had.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I got a result on RAM not Luna

it said RAM was nosferatu

I did not get a result on Luna period

It said "Ram" was Nosferatu?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

if he had redirected me to Luna as you keep proposing I would have gotten undead

I know that

I'm asking mod told you the name of the person you ended up watching?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I asked something about what you said in answer to bacde I know that

is "Ram" name in your result or not?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

The question you dodged :

what did exactly mastin told you and where did she do that?

i want all the info your slot had.

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

plus I explained the reason LLD is getting voted

what do you think about it?

~Ice

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

When (ok, ok, if) LLD flips scum, make sure to look back at the votes and check which people needed a little "extra" convincing to move their vote from low hanging bacde to LLD. Check for probable motivation for protecting LLD from a lynch before realizing that wasn't a possibility.

call bacde low hanging and I will crush your head with a tombstone

The case on bacde is completly clear if you have any questions ask. If not stop defending that slot when Its so freaking obvious wulden spy in that group

And I stated my intent on voting LLD when day started, I still want to sort bacde and get assosciative tells as much as I can before ending this day.

Now go get fucking lost

~Ice

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asking for giving him a free pass becuase he might be an undead who might let the dead undead faction win with the rest of player Is scummy as fuck

No I don't fucking care about undeads win. I do love luna. They gave us the reuiered leads but I won't give anyone free pas for a chance they might not even have,

Bacde is wulden or undead. his play is dodgy af , KC's play was scummy af and you have no fucking right to let that slot live,

I am going to bring Saga game up. They let Cerb slot live cuase he claimed a treestumper who could win with town. ABR and me started insulting eachother over that read for lots of pages. and I saw that town burned when cerb hydra won the game as SK

and I was screaming it even after being replaced out

BACDE was in a neighbourhood with all town flipped were mod explicity said the players in here are undead or wulden and wulden is scum spy by the exact words of the other neighbourhood players. He definietly is not clear and he definiely is not having a free path in this game

I won't let this

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If you wanna white knight him and call him low hanging fruit or whatever your going to get through me here

I won't stand down till I see his wulden flip.

I will vote LLD as well cuase wulden's are very likely all scum.

thats my stance wanna stand against me in these two reads? come and fight me >.>

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>.>

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So in other words you are fine with me doing my rather weak cop thing on Bacde if we lynch LLD right Ice?

its hard to trust a night action result after all the discussion we had today. I mean it might end up clearing a scum you know, just keep this in mid for future even If I wasn't around. and Race is not Faction so as you said its not a strong cop check.

But I'm fine with the plan. LLD is scummy and I think she is pissed of at game becuase her faction "wulden" is written in a way in isolationist flips thats putting her in this position.

~Ice

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A song of ice and fire you are making this game really unfun for me especially when I've done nothing but be direct with you and helpful and you post stupid shit like "bacde is a wulden I will not rest until his scum flip" but then change your act when talking to me like saying "you aren't confirmed im trying to sort your slot'

You have all the makings of dumbass town

I think you are buthurt I caugh you visiting luna

So sit the fuck down, chill the fuck out, and smoke a fucking doobie this is a game of Mafia we aren't discussing what to do with your mother's life here

Are you seriously confused as to why I don't want to search through all my 10 page PM's and give you the same fucking information I've already told you like 3 more times?

I might seem tunneling but I have a great stamina in turning back from my strongest scumreads. I asked for all the stuff mastin told you. start expressing everything you know about your persumably undead faction and results in one post asap.

~Ice

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and I received "Your check target's [thing] is [result]"

it hasn't the check target's name.

so its weird and sketchy I agree.

~Ice

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oh and btw my mother is dead so you can't sit down and decide anything about her life anymore

just saying

~Ice

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Progress to next day please:

VOTE: LLD

~Fire

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Frozen is probably going to yell at me for that lol.

BUT HAMMAH!!!

~Fire

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ahhh

so bacde might be undead after all cause math was trying so hard to deflect the LLD wagon on him >.>

~Ice

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the case on LLD was generated on day 2

I started day 3 by voting bacde and calling LLD a scum wagon who must be pushed/vigged anyway

I even rephrased the whole case on LLD yesterday

and Bacde was a good place to pressure in the same time

wtf are you talking about

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why not dgb?

~Ice

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I think you are buthurt

I caugh you visiting luna

I was rereading last day over night and I wanted to ask

what is the meaning of this?

~Ice

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oh and btw my mother is dead so you can't sit down and decide anything about her life anymore

just saying

~Ice

Lmao how long were you thinking about that

and I wanted to comment on this But I won't.

guess this is enough on this topic

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wait a minute I started the wagon on bacde because his claim did not fit since I was not with luna but with RAM?

I was on him when the day started even before his day 3 results claim whole thing. As I said multiple times yesterday scums won't just lie about their claims like idiots. The fact KC just claimed watcher like that in main thread and outed her watch result on me and the way she played they day 2 was so damn scummy.

plus that slot was the only remaining player of a neighborhood containing undeads and wuldens which the rest of players in there all flipped undead.

thought that doesn't matter now cause he is very likely town and I was wrong.

I doubt there is another undead out of that neighbourhood in game so your not redirected or anything so that is an innocent result on him.

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why you said you saw me visiting luna?

I didn't target luna in any manner

explain

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I need to reread both dave and no retreat

depends on who bacde was watching outing the result might be towny or really anti towny

I'm going to trust his judgement

don't push him for claim

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he claimed watcher

wtf are you talking about?

when?

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and kc claimed it in day 2

bacde just added his night 2 results and clarified the ambiguous results kc mentioned.

~Ice

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there is an innocent result on bacde

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are you suggesting there is an undead in wulden faction?

cause thats logically possible but weird you know

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what are you two's thoughts on no retreat and dave?

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there is an innocent result on bacde

It's not really a hard clear like you're implying from my POV.

Bacde is the last on the lynch list anyway and if Nosferatu flips scum then I doubt Bacde is scum (not from the same faction at least). We can agree there right? Who do you think is scum ASOIAF?

I beleive there is no undead out of that neighbourhood cuase you know that will be weird , he is confirmed not isolationist , he is not human so can't be culted and join any faction , rach claimed he is undead
thats kindda innicent result - somehow

plus math was trying to buddy me now that I'm seeing this in my bacde push to make that happen instead of LLD so there is that

I'm currently trying to review some iso's and hanging around to see what I can get cuase there is info here but for now

Almost50 seems off with that I'm confirmed by color thingi >.> its like one of his scum games (there was a scum revivor and he was like I am confirmed town when I was trying to get a revived minion lynch) so meta wise he is one of the people I want to see more from and sort asap

dave was really avoiding LLD during day 3 , I can sense that as well. so yep pretty suspicious

so many people are doing nothing (heartless , dgb , nos) and thats awful cuase we might not be in a good position (although it seems so) if there were successful cults around.

Tim is one of the under raddar players and you are one of the best candidates for being culted till now in my eyes so there is that.

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and no retreat is another player under radar like tim

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flavor checks are not equal to alignemnet checks

its not usefull for scum hunting. they can help for confirming and denying claims and sorting others though

Bacde is town after math flip , he is not isolationist , he is not wulden it was confirmed that thread has wulden or undead so he is not any other weird scum.

he is just the last servivor (town) whatever

this topic is closed and we must move on from this.

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my last post was about your 6458 not you asking him his results

as I said before about claiming his results I'm ok either way cause its a watcher and I believe their town now.

why are you so eager to hear the results?

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i dont rly have that much to say rn. tth has been keeping up w/ this better and has a lot more developed reads than me so she can take lead on that.

i will say dgb is prob town

why I feel your scum trying to hide by lurking.

why is dgb prob town?

~Ice

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I'm not sure which nation/faction you are anymore, but I'm not paying you much attention tbh since you sound town enough (both heads), so I'm devoting my attention on a few others.

what about it was related to the post I made?

although I appreciate your reads

why dave is tier two and why no retreat is more concerning to you?

why WT is next tier

and what about nos really being redirected make her town?