Gistou (Over!)

[Almost50]

Or we could have I dunno not have people take orders from a potential scum fuck?

I will refrain from responding ONLY out of my respect to your sister. However, you use the F word one more time addressing me and I'm going to be real mean to you. Please respect my wish as I do respect yours. Thank you.

[MathBlade]

RAM probably redirected your action with someone elses

Checking the flips:

RAM did NOT redirect anyone's action on N2.

This is from their role PM:“When you perform

no night actions

(checks do count as a night action), during the night,

you are immune to nightkills.

”, and they did get killed on N2.

...How do you know whether or not RAM didn't redirect anyone's actions unless you are scum with RAM?

If you read the quote (hint: there are bolded parts) you'd realize I got it in reverse. Actually RAM must've redirected someone for them to end up dead. If they didn't they should've been immune to NKs. That's what their role PM actually says, and you're only one who actually read my post there, but you still didn't get where I got it backwards!

No I didn't. Look at the italics. My question is why did you post they didn't redirect anyone's actions when the most likely scenario is they did.

[Heartless]

i'm trying to come up w/ a scenario in my head that explains:

> rach's results
> bacde's watcher results
> toog's claim that he bg'ed luna

and i'm coming up empty

add
> nos' claim he double targeted stormblade

[MathBlade]

Or we could have I dunno not have people take orders from a potential scum fuck?

I will refrain from responding ONLY out of my respect to your sister. However, you use the F word one more time addressing me and I'm going to be real mean to you. Please respect my wish as I do respect yours. Thank you.

Noted. I let my passions get the better of me sorry. Please replace the F word with player.

[Wake1]

Or we could have I dunno not have people take orders from a potential scum fuck?

I will refrain from responding ONLY out of my respect to your sister. However, you use the F word one more time addressing me and I'm going to be real mean to you. Please respect my wish as I do respect yours. Thank you.

You get they, Tiger!

[Almost50]

Hm.

OK.

So you didn't fall for it.

If you had responded by saying you knoew they tried to kill you it would prove you a liar since the PGO Wiki states the PGO also dies in the process of being NK'd.

Still not bought on your innocence.

Stock up on liquid Patience because I'll be Scumhunting you throughout the game.

1- I'm dropping your case for the rest of the game. You obviously won't believe I'm from the same faction you are even after I flip and the role PM is posted.

2- You're overly smart too, referring to the WIKI PAGE in a ROLE MADNESS game. Where does it say that a redirector can get "action" and "check" in the wiki? It doesn't, but this is a Role Madness game, so that's how it works. Where does it say one player could single handedly get someone lynched? it doesn't, but it happened in Varsoon's bloodborne (Nahdia did cast like 9 votes with the aid of a "puppet" monster that she also controlled). Where does it say neighbourizing someone requires their acceptance to join the neighbourhood? It doesn't but it was the case in Skull's borderlines.. and so on.

But you keep on tunneling me and neglecting everything else until we both end up dead and scum -somehow- win the game.

P.S. I could also mention one more example of a non-standard mechanic for a standard role, but I can't do it now, so maybe if the day drags on a little ....

[Almost50]

No I didn't. Look at the italics. My question is why did you post they didn't redirect anyone's actions when the most likely scenario is they did.

Because I read their role PM backwards and though that if they DID submit a night action they'd be IMMUNE TO NIGHT KILLS. Now that you brought it back to me I realized my mistake as they should've been immune if they did NOT redirect someone.

[Wake1]

I just like the way you squeak when I pressure you.

Can you blame me?

[RachMarie]

no I am not positive, but it seems likely with the fact the bg did not die but luna her target did

[Toogeloo]

Luna's death is equally surprising because I would have expected a faction cop to get some Doctor love if one exists last night.

Doctor was lynched Day 1. Jailkeeper was killed Night 1. I'm probably the only protection role left, and I did target Luna last night.

Now about LLD -- They claimed Individual Wulden. At a time when race = scum was pushed vehemently to everyone and right now still seems to be. I want to see this slot become active so I can see if they are telling the truth or full of shit. If they don't post in 24 hours then we likely have two scums identified.

Look at the Isolationist Wincon. It specifically says

all

Wulden must be defeated in addition to controlling 50% of the town, suggesting that the Wulden are either opposing Mafia or Cult.

And Holy Fuck people, Bacde is the last remaining member of the Risen Dead Faction which means if he dies, they all lose. There is no need to lynch him today when LLD is practically confirmed a scummer. Mafia likely didn't kill her so that it would be one less lynch against them since town needs to eliminate all threats. I'm operating under the assumption that Wulden are Cult because A) Mastina said there is a Cult in this game, and B) My flavor heavily suggests that WULDEN ARE CULT!.

[Wake1]

Oh, Toogelo's Northern Tribes too, iirc.

[MathBlade]

No I didn't. Look at the italics. My question is why did you post they didn't redirect anyone's actions when the most likely scenario is they did.

Because I read their role PM backwards and though that if they DID submit a night action they'd be IMMUNE TO NIGHT KILLS. Now that you brought it back to me I realized my mistake as they should've been immune if they did NOT redirect someone.

Excuse me if I don't believe you.

1) Likely not PGO since Wake said they checked you and Wake is still around.
2) This scenario makes sense if you are a Isolationist bus driver with RAM and knew RAM didn't target anyone.
3) Assuming this is the case then a strongman kill aimed at Luna to avoid the protections would have killed RAM.
It also explains a majority of the actions here as well.

[MathBlade]

Luna's death is equally surprising because I would have expected a faction cop to get some Doctor love if one exists last night.

Doctor was lynched Day 1. Jailkeeper was killed Night 1. I'm probably the only protection role left, and I did target Luna last night.

Now about LLD -- They claimed Individual Wulden. At a time when race = scum was pushed vehemently to everyone and right now still seems to be. I want to see this slot become active so I can see if they are telling the truth or full of shit. If they don't post in 24 hours then we likely have two scums identified.

Look at the Isolationist Wincon. It specifically says

all

Wulden must be defeated in addition to controlling 50% of the town, suggesting that the Wulden are either opposing Mafia or Cult.

And Holy Fuck people, Bacde is the last remaining member of the Risen Dead Faction which means if he dies, they all lose. There is no need to lynch him today when LLD is practically confirmed a scummer. Mafia likely didn't kill her so that it would be one less lynch against them since town needs to eliminate all threats. I'm operating under the assumption that Wulden are Cult because A) Mastina said there is a Cult in this game, and B) My flavor heavily suggests that WULDEN ARE CULT!.

Derp. Thank you.

VOTE: LLD

[Wake1]

Bacde - 3 (A Song of Ice and Fire, No Retreat, Tim)
Lady Lambdadelta - 7 (Toogeloo, RachMarie, DrippingGoofball, Heartless, Wake88, Almost50, Mathblade)

Not Voting - 8 (Nosferatu, Wayward Thinker, davesaz, No Retreat, Lady Lambdadelta, Expedience, TheWayItEnds, rb)

[Toogeloo]

Oh, Toogelo's Northern Tribes too, iirc.

I am indeed.

[Almost50]

1) Likely not PGO since Wake said they checked you and Wake is still around.
2) This scenario makes sense if you are a Isolationist bus driver with RAM and knew RAM didn't target anyone.
3) Assuming this is the case then a strongman kill aimed at Luna to avoid the protections would have killed RAM.
It also explains a majority of the actions here as well.

1) Wake is one of my own. It would be silly if my passive ability actually killed one of my own faction.
2) If RAM targeted nobody he would still be alive. How many times do I need to say this? Read his Role PM. He is IMMUNE TO NIGHT KILLS if he does NOT submit a night action, and checks do NOT count too.
3) Strongman or no strongman, that's not a problem now. If we can lynch scum today and successfully target 1 or 2 of them at night it is likely that the strongman -if existent- will flip by D4. We WILL see the flips and decide upon them too.

[Wake1]

On one hand I'd like to believe Toogeloo and Almost50 are confTown to me.

On the other, this damned paranoia is eating at my gut.

Why else would Mastin say flavor is flavor and that there'll be players who appear to be fighting alongside you but are actually the opposite.

[MathBlade]

1) Likely not PGO since Wake said they checked you and Wake is still around.
2) This scenario makes sense if you are a Isolationist bus driver with RAM and knew RAM didn't target anyone.
3) Assuming this is the case then a strongman kill aimed at Luna to avoid the protections would have killed RAM.
It also explains a majority of the actions here as well.

1) Wake is one of my own. It would be silly if my passive ability actually killed one of my own faction.
2) If RAM targeted nobody he would still be alive. How many times do I need to say this? Read his Role PM. He is IMMUNE TO NIGHT KILLS if he does NOT submit a night action, and checks do NOT count too.
3) Strongman or no strongman, that's not a problem now. If we can lynch scum today and successfully target 1 or 2 of them at night it is likely that the strongman -if existent- will flip by D4. We WILL see the flips and decide upon them too.

1) PGO has never discriminated. They are paranoid. It is in the dang title. They kill everyone that arrives to them uncontrollably. Therefore you are not a PGO. See the wiki.
2) Strongmen, see the wiki, bypass Bulletproof. So makes sense they would bypass things.
3) Yes it is a huge problem if a strongman does or doesn't exist. People keep dropping their pants as if pants are the worst thing that happened to them. If people keep doing that it won't matter what roles we have. Please for the love of God pants!


http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?tit ... _Gun_Owner
http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Strongman

[Bacde]

vote RAM

[MathBlade]

vote RAM

...RAM is dead like wtf?

[Wake1]

vote RAM

He's dead.

Here, have a walnut.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

Hey guys RAM also visited Luna fox lol I didn't mention it before

are you kidding me

~Ice

[RachMarie]

I wonder if all the scum are protected at night unless they do an action? Or if it is just for RAM

[rb]

Just read their Role PM's Rach...

There's 3 scum flips, surely you could just check.

[rb]

@Mathblade it's really annoying me that you keep telling everyone to stop talking about mechanics and then you just keep clarifying people on mechanics. If it's because you get pressure behind your left eye whenever you read a Wake or Almost50 post just follow this simple algorithm:

Mechanics post > is it by A50 or Wake > yes > skip