Gistou (Over!)

[RachMarie]

hey all there are like over 150 pages give me a chance to read up. I have a work project deadline tomorrow

so unless we have like absolute deadline it will be tomorrow before I can focus on this

[RachMarie]

wow 3 nks

Depends on who does it Fire, I tend to be accused a lot of buddying in games simply because Im rather nice and friendly to pretty much everyone, and that really is the case no matter what role I play. Even when I really go all tunnel like on someone Im usually pretty nice about it.

With Titus I can see though that as a scum tell. I have a bad habit of town reading her too much simply because so often she is town but everyone is scum reading her.

[RachMarie]

Yeah looks like BB was town. titus was scum?, and not sure on dram? could be scum, this game is really difficult to follow in some ways.

[RachMarie]

yeah exactly and that is what I am trying to figure out. And yeah I knew it would be extremely challenging.

[RachMarie]

Wake could you like just say it? the hinting is not helping and right now we need all we can get to figure this game out.

I am like totally lost here

[RachMarie]

Is that it or did you find out who has that in their role PM Wake?

[RachMarie]

I have what may seem like a stupid question, wtf is a wulden anyway?

Vampire and Lycan (werewolf) I am familiar with due to another game, but I have never heard of a wulden before?

[RachMarie]

ok guys I really need to do some work stuffs, I promise to really go through this stuff this weekend after I finish with the client work.

My brain is really struggling to understand this game.

ok thanks for explaining wulden wtf is a nosterferu and did Cephir actually claim that or did someone claim a result on him?

[RachMarie]

wait ok Luna claimed cop in her neighborhood do you have any idea who the scum is that is in the neighborhood or are you just assuming because looks some some hanky panky happened on her claim?

[RachMarie]

Still swamped with work stuffs will post more tomorrow, hopefully by then I will be done with the 10, 1 k articles I have to write for client.

[RachMarie]

oh crap ok work can wait will try to do something in this game

[RachMarie]

Are we really arguing over if this game is bastard or not

OK NEWS FLASH

this is a bastard game

Bus driver is confusable with redirector they are kind of close I believe though bus driver just swaps out two peeps like player A is targeted to bus drive with player B

Anything that is supposed to happen to player A ends up happening to player B instead like a doc protect, a jailkeep, a nk or so on.

While redirect actually affects actions not specific people IIRC

[RachMarie]

Sigh wow so many deaths

This game THIS GAME

Ok yeah we are getting more info seems that treaty is the key.

yeah the wulden are definitely not our friends

[RachMarie]

Could there have been something like a lover effect? Since we don't have all the info? It would explain why so many deaths. Especially over N 1?

PEDIT

I CALL BS Bacde

I checked on RAM last night his heavy championing level of white knighting on our lynch target bothered me he came back nosterefuru or or whatever it is

So only way I could have visited Luna is if RAM killed her and took me along for the ride

VOTE: bacde

[RachMarie]

yeah why would I check Luna?

I believed her claim

On the other hand RAM was trying to get people NOT to lynch the scum we lynched. OF COURSE I would check him. No I am not claiming cop but I do have the ability to check something and I hope it helps us solve this game. So I am trying to use it like a cop even if it is a weak ability.

So yeah I don't believe you bacde

The only way I can see that making sense is either the mod is lying to you
or my checking him meant I was in his pocket and he did the kill on Luna.

But occam's razor says you are scum.

[RachMarie]

I checked Titus on n1 btw and got human

[RachMarie]

I did not think of that

uggh

Yeah this is most likely multiball plus probably has town killing power more than just Titus. I really thought she was scum so I checked her though was clueless how that helped at that point, still kind of unsure on it but hey I am willing to keep checking peeps.

Killing RAM would even make sense from a town vig role He was the most adamant supporter of the lynch yesterday who flipped scum. Now he has flipped scum of the same faction, fancy that. So yeah that might not have anything to do with redirect. I would think he would be using it to throw off peeps like me but he did not use it on me because I got a result on him

Wake I will reread my thingy after some coffee I need to make a fresh pot, if there is anything will share it, I was mostly focused on what my result on RAM was.

[RachMarie]

uhhh ok ok Wake we GET IT we know you think LLD is scum

actually so do I

[RachMarie]

in light of monkey business with the whole redirect thingy and maybe bacde dude thinking that he had a true result...

And because I do not want to spend the next 50 pages watching Wake see how big he can make the fonts


VOTE: LLD

[RachMarie]

wow dude

seriously this is got to be one of the most complicated games I have been in. So yeah I was not sure because yeah the flips are not exactly cut and dried here. But with the slave deaths, and so on, I am seeing the light

BTW I have been in large games that are not multiball but just a large maf team and a SK I dont think of it as multiball unless there are two scum teams like maf and wolf or red maf and other color maf.

Pedit

yeah lots of flavor about me cringing blah blah blah because he was blah blah blah

then said nosterfuru

[RachMarie]

oh yeah I forgot this one also has a cult thingy

gods this game is doing my head in

back in a bit I need coffee

[RachMarie]

I have no killing ability

umm no it is more complicated than that. basically its those who support the treaty including different races like vamps n stuffs and those who win if less than 50% of the other factions are alive and the other maf team is gone I think

also I dont think the undeads are scum the nosts and the wuldens yes but not the undeads we just had 5 undead deaths (talk about ironic)


Wake posted what the scum get in their PM just a few posts ago


Why would I if I were sk or maf for that matter give up a chance to make a fake claim of town vig when bacde made his claim? Instead I CC his claim because I thought he was lying scum. The redirector muddies things up though so Im moving to my scum read number 2
who btw is NOT an undead but a WULDEN
Wulden is a maf faction we know that now

[RachMarie]

sorry it wasnt clear that post was to no retreat

[RachMarie]

boys boys you are both pretty

can we focus here on the information and parsing it please?

[RachMarie]

ty that is useful

Now I have coffee I will read through my result claim again.

I swear Mastin must not be sleeping at all with all the writing in this game.

[RachMarie]

RAM probably redirected your action with someone elses or else there is a role blocker which is very likely with all the power on both the town and maf factions plus SK out there somewhere, and there probably is one

Mastin why did I let you talk me into this game

Still ♥ ya

[RachMarie]

yeah bg is a weird version of doc you protect your target if they get shot by taking the bullet yourself and dying in the other person's place

[RachMarie]

feel likely with the claims so far that RAM probably did redirect and also most likely killed Luna, but no clue who killed him?

Logically though he was a good vig target so though it could be the other maf team, it definitely could have been a vig kill.

oh and I dont see any message in my stuff Wake, I just went through it all dang mastin is a prolific writer, might offer her a job someday lol

[RachMarie]

Yeah song Im still not completely sold on bacde being a town watcher esp since I know there are maf watchers quite commonly in games.


No if he had watched RAM he would have seen me visit them

He said I visited LUNA

[RachMarie]

A50 we are still not sure whats going on there RAM who I DID visit was a redirector.

and yes RAM is nosferatu I checked his race

On N1 I checked the race of Titus and got human

[RachMarie]

please so we don't have 15000 point font again

You know I ♥ you Wake

And I hope you are town after all and not the destroyer dude, I really hope so. But it would be awfully ballsy to focus on destroyer dude like you are if you were that role.

[RachMarie]

Are we really sitting here discuss how big Wake's balls are???



Ok Im gonna go get some articles written before my client gives up on me totally

Maybe by then we will have more peeps chiming in.

[RachMarie]

yeah tried to bg luna was blocked or redirected and luna died

[RachMarie]

did you kill him or just visit him?

[RachMarie]

To peeps who are better at balancing games than I am

Is there a chance that both maf teams would have a redirector?

Because if not, we could lynch LLD then I could check bacde at night

[RachMarie]

Shakes her finger at Mastin

You are tying our hands here

Well we have to do what we can do.

Still willing to lynch LLD and check on Bacde

[RachMarie]

Wrong

not a wulden

cant stand them uggh

[RachMarie]

wait what? I am not defending him I scum read him but I also recognize that some monkey business happened so was waiting to get more information

How on earth did you get the idea I was defending him?

[RachMarie]

It was on him I switched to another scum read

Are you trying to end the day before people have even posted?

seriously lets give it a RL day or two so everyone can chime in

[RachMarie]

Have not ruled that out

Right now though I think the focus needs to be on LLD and Bacde though

[RachMarie]

can we please not derail the discussion back on your balls again Wake.

[RachMarie]

I know how you feel about LLD

How do you feel about Bacde in light of the newly added info from some folk?

[RachMarie]

And A50 while you are harping on my vote being on another scum read and accusing me of being a wulden of all things, maybe you should see there are 9 people who have not voted at all, most of them have not yet posted.

Why do you want to end discussion ?

[RachMarie]

wulden are a scum faction of course the other scum faction wants them gone as well to win?

Have you ever played full on multiball before? with two scum teams I mean not just a maf or wolf team and a SK

[RachMarie]

no I dont

[RachMarie]

toog you missed the earlier discussion about how in the flip on RAM he could recirect one but not both

[RachMarie]

LLD is a she but don't know I have not stalked her profile

[RachMarie]

yeah I have my doubts on that claim especially with the bg action being redirected

[RachMarie]

which is why I suggested we lynch LLD and I race check bacde

[RachMarie]

RAM flipped redirector but only could do one action Wake

[RachMarie]

I think he is Heartless because I VISITED AND CHECKED RAM I was no where near Luna

[RachMarie]

no I meant he could only redirect one action not both

sorry about not being clear Wake

[RachMarie]

no I think the bg got redirected

so luna died

[RachMarie]

we are on the same page and I am quite happy to race check the other one in the night

[RachMarie]

If you can figure it out let me know.

I just know I have no killing ability

I can check one person per night So I have been using it kind of like a cop though it is much weaker more like a flavor cop

I know I checked Titus on N 1

and RAM on N 2

both because I thought they were scum

[RachMarie]

no I am not positive, but it seems likely with the fact the bg did not die but luna her target did

[RachMarie]

I wonder if all the scum are protected at night unless they do an action? Or if it is just for RAM

[RachMarie]

yeah the whole check thing seems to be like the way they spread around cop and doc among different people in the Diffusion of Power set up, difference being its more like a bunch of limited by what you find out than by which night and being x shot.

Closest thing I have seen to it is flavor cop this being able to check out someone's race or origin or something.

[RachMarie]

who are you talking to Ice?
meh I guess I need to going diving into previous posts what about nosterfaru I presume you mean the player with the name not a race in this game?

[RachMarie]

yeah that is bothersome

Of course there is a LOT about this game that is basically confusing

What I have pretty much figured out is

there are humans, humans are good
there are wulden they are bad
there are Isolationists they are bad and their race is nosterfaru
there are individuals who are for the humans they are good
The undead faction was good but had an evil spy
the destroyer of worlds is evil
there is a chick who was treated badly who was part of the bringing together of humans and others for the treaty and she was tortured but she is still alive.
That the isolationists need the wuldens dead and have at least 50% (Maf condition)
That presumably the same condition exists for the wulden just switch the names (other maf condition)
That the sk is probably the destroyer of worlds and his name is Dimitri
The are heroes out there who are basically like town vigs

Some of this is flavor some is from the flips. some from the claims

Based on this I am very comfortable with either bacde or LLD
LLD more so because she is a WULDEN and that would give us more info.

[RachMarie]

uggh ok right so the isolationists are a mix of races

uggh THIS GAME

[RachMarie]

Alex something I think its in the flavor along with Dimitri

I am not sure though how much of that stuff is just flavor to confuse us or is relevant to the roles in the game.

[RachMarie]

no the treaty is between humans and a few others associated with the humans like the undead flips

Undead Risen Slave Wincon: You win if all threats to a new humanity treaty are eliminated and at least one player with this wincon is alive.

the treaty is important town is pro treaty scum is anti treaty

[RachMarie]

you are right I was thinking of Kuroi just went back and looked and his said individual vampires not the treaty.

This game is bloody confusing

[RachMarie]

Luna said quite a bit on it

go ISO her

[RachMarie]

yeah that is not giving me waves of happy thoughts

so yeah LLD and bacde

[RachMarie]

I am basing it on what Luna said in thread she flipped town and was a cop I trust cops

I did not visit luna I visited RAM

How many times do I have to say that, bacde its things like that which make me scum read you And I JUST WAS in a game where someone claimed I did something I DID not do and they were scum. And yet I could not convince enough people so they lynched Jiffy while he was at work. It was a brilliant move actually.

Now I do think RAM probably did the night kill because he died and if you look at his flip it says he has to use his power in order to die.

I checked RAM because I was scum reading him. Why on earth would I check Luna?

[RachMarie]

I got a result on RAM not Luna

it said RAM was nosferatu

I did not get a result on Luna period

[RachMarie]

if he had redirected me to Luna as you keep proposing I would have gotten undead

[RachMarie]

YES

[RachMarie]

sorry that one was at bacde

[RachMarie]

trying to figure out how to paraphrase this

something about deciding to check out RAM and then being upset and afraid because it comes back as nosterfaru

It is much more poetic the way the mod wrote it.

[RachMarie]

I should have known it was nero

With the number of hydrae and the game mechanics numbers of factions and all in this game I forgot you were part of no retreat.

[RachMarie]

One of these times you are going to actually be a day vig and do that and accidentally kill someone

[RachMarie]

what that I find that very annoying from you dude Im not the only one who gets tired of that.

[RachMarie]

Still fine with lynching LLD and checking bacde on race

[RachMarie]

So in other words you are fine with me doing my rather weak cop thing on Bacde if we lynch LLD right Ice?

[RachMarie]

LOL Toog good one

[RachMarie]

WTF

I SAID MY TARGETS

I said I got RAM in my role PM
SAID I GOT TITUS on N1

seriously dude

How many times do I have to repeat myself

[RachMarie]

if he comes up wulden we lynch him so in this case it could make a difference

[RachMarie]

so sorry hon HUGS ♥

[RachMarie]

Nero if her scum budz want to bus her let them more the merrier

we need a wulden lynch we need that flip info to confirm that wulden have the same win con as the isolationists but with isolationists gone and 50% thingy

It will confirm they are the other maf team and then this becomes an easy peasy game lynch all isolationists and all wulden boom
town wins

oh yean and get the SK too

[RachMarie]

That is Nero

[RachMarie]

DGB because we need two more votes

[RachMarie]

DA HAMMAH

[RachMarie]

Bacde is undead I checked him last night

[RachMarie]

wait a minute I started the wagon on bacde because his claim did not fit since I was not with luna but with RAM?

I thought he was fake claiming so of course I voted for him. Still not sure how the redirect gave him a result of me visiting Luna it makes no sense. Still I wanted LLD lynched.

and they did hammer LLD.

Im going to take a look at some of the lynch VCs see if I can find some patterns.

[RachMarie]

yeah that comment was uncalled for and had nothing to with the game

[RachMarie]

no clearly he had been redirected somehow to think I was visiting Luna instead of RAM no clue on how that happened either. Im going after scumspects I have to see what they are to hopefully find out who is for sure scum. I had no reason to use my check on Luna but RAM on the other hand who had been fighting so hard on the lynch.

[RachMarie]

How about giving us your results dude

[RachMarie]

he did the same thing with me Song

umm did you miss the claim Bacde claimed tracker yesterday?

[RachMarie]

oops sorry meant watcher not tracker

I need some coffee its early here lol

[RachMarie]

anyways he was watching Luna but some of the peeps that he said he saw that make no sense

Like I was checking RAM not Luna

Though there is a possibility RAM did the nk on her I have no way to be sure though.

I do know bacde came up undead and I want to hear his results for last night

[RachMarie]

umm considering the weirdness we already know from the flips just about anything is possible song lol

[RachMarie]

No Retreat is Nero so look for silly trolly behavior. He is more srs bizness when he is scum

[RachMarie]

Dave Im not sure on he kinda got lost in the shuffle with some of the others since I have been so swamped.

I will Iso him and a couple of the others that are not strongly on my radar.

[RachMarie]

ok I did not say he was innocent I said I checked his race and he is undead,

RAM came back nosterfaru

Titus came back human

Im kinda trying to use it like a cop see if I can figure out who is scum.

basically I can check race, nation or location but been doing race checks because location and nation really confuse the heck out of me.

[RachMarie]

bacde I still want an answer to my question who did you watch last night and what happened

[RachMarie]

Song why do you have a problem with him telling us his watch result for last night?

[RachMarie]

The player but Ram flipped notsterfaru just as my check said which is NOT a flavor check I choose one thing of the three and get a result and it has been accurate two of the 3 times so Im pretty confident that bacde is undead.

[RachMarie]

its a matter of degree Nero.

not no srs as town and no troll as scum but which one you are MORE of

[RachMarie]

he considers an SK to be a scum faction instead of 3rd party

[RachMarie]

Nos is one of the ones I want to ISO

I feel good about you being town, about wake being town, and a few others but some are kinda under my radar and Nos is one of them.

PEDIT

Nero look at RAMs flip again the isolationists ARE the nosferatus

[RachMarie]

yeah the isolationists are nosferatu the wulden are wulden

those are the two maf factions which makes this true multiball

[RachMarie]

well these flips make you HAVE to read through them several times its quite complicated lol

I can understand being confused

[RachMarie]

oh yeah forgot that, but ok so vamp/nos one maf team and wulden other maf team

[RachMarie]

yeah to add to the confusion

there be humans they are town

there be an undead faction (town)
there be a wulden faction (maf 1)
there be an isolationist faction (maf 2)
there be individuals who are not human but who are allied with humans not the maf teams. Like the vamp dude. They are also town

Pretty much that is about all I can come up with

oh and dmitri was evil and I am glad he is dead lol (no offense to mathblade)

[RachMarie]

EBWOP

vamp doctor dude

[RachMarie]

that may be true there may be an undead or vamp or nos on team Wulden

[RachMarie]

and yeah makes sense to have some kind of check on my check power too.

[RachMarie]

why are you sighing because someone is town reading you>

[RachMarie]

ohh oops I did not think of that

[RachMarie]

Nero

Wake is my mason buddy, he is town, dude.

[RachMarie]

I asked him first he said it was ok Dave.

Nero is like a dog with a bone hes not gonna let it go so now maybe he can focus on doing something to help town.

[RachMarie]

Because I was waiting for wake to respond in our PT

[RachMarie]

That was a gambit he did he explained it to me he was hoping to catch someone. There is no destroyer of worlds.

[RachMarie]

Actually it was Wake lol

Though I did say something about you being like a dog with a bone

[RachMarie]

Girls, girls you are both pretty, can we like focus on finding scum now?

[RachMarie]

still sorting through peeps looking for those who are kind of under the radar so want to check a few ISOs and brainstorm with wake

I am not completely sold that bacde is town though.

and it irritates me he wont flippin answer my question

[RachMarie]

because I checked bacde and he came back as undead

just like I checked RAM and he was nos

just like I checked Titus and she came back human

[RachMarie]

I have the race check well race, nation or location actually

[RachMarie]

who is RB?

I will look at the exp dude for some reason I always think of an encyclopedia when I see his name but hes one of the ones that is under my radar.

[RachMarie]

oh shit I did not realize he is in this game

ok adding rb to the list of iso hunts

[RachMarie]

because there are so many

and a lot of reading

and I have been slammed with work stuffs

[RachMarie]

I meant the mafia team called Wulden which is mostly wulden but could have some others just like team insolationist is mostly nos but had a vamp in it.

[RachMarie]

I did not inno you I stated your race came back as undead

That is not an automatic inno

We have had a vamp who was part of the isolationist faction and we have had a vamp that was individual PR (doc) who was allied with town and wins with town plus one of his faction alive

Just because the undead faction was allied with town does NOT MEAN all undead are auto innoed.

PLUS there is the fact your watcher reports do NOT line up I was not with Luna I was checking RAM who I thought was scum, and guess what he WAS.

I am not convinced you are town bacde not at all

[RachMarie]

rb
I can live with that, sometimes I question my own accuracies in games and I know I am flipping town in them. meh



Song
Have not done my ISOs yet sorry I fell asleep for a few hours after a couple of glasses of wine

making coffee now and then back to digging into this game

[RachMarie]

you are not confirmed town, I did not say you are confirmed scum either I said you are NOT CONFIRMED town.

why are you so concerned about it. I do have a scum read on you, but it is a weaker one. I am not like a full on cop that can investigate and come up with THIS DUDE is confirmed scum.

I know you are part of the undead faction
I know you are undead
I know because LUNA told us herself there is one person in your faction that is a spy for the wulden.
I know we only had one kill last night and it was scum that was killed.
You admitted you were blocked from doing anything last night

But your emphasis on being CONFIRMED town just sets off every scumdar bell in the book in me.

[RachMarie]

You know that does not confirm you as town to anyone else though.

still I think you are prob town. You got blocked and there were still town deaths.

[RachMarie]

no not wulden you are undead

but I think you are a spy FOR the wulden faction

And I think because you got blocked last night you did not kill townies

I dont get why your scum buddies did not however.

VOTE: bacde

[RachMarie]

yeah its pretty flaky atm

[RachMarie]

uhh you know Im voting bacde and masons with wake, right?

[RachMarie]

LOL you clearly don't know my scum game then I don't bus even when I should.


no Im voting bacde because of the reasons I stated. THERE WAS NO TOWN DEATHS last night

he admits he was blocked

how is this not an issue?

[RachMarie]

I think he is scum

yes I do

I was addressing the idea WT had that because someone else bussed, that means I must be scum and bussing.

ummm yeah not my style dude, feel free to check out my games.

But no I think he was an undead spy in the undead faction I believe our flipped cop Luna.
When you combine that with the fact that he was blocked last night, and oh yeah no townie deaths just one scumz one.

[RachMarie]

WTF he is undead scum

I got the result just like I did on Titus and RAM

his race is undead he was with the undead faction as a wulden SPY duh are you doubting Luna our cop?

[RachMarie]

@Luna: who are you scumreading outside of your Night result?

I do have a scumread in my hood which i mentioned.

Outside of that i have no idea rn im townreading a lot of ppl.
I'm pretty much trying to figure out who's trying to lynch us based on our win condition, because they're more than likely either scum or at least... opposing our faction.

There you go Luna's OWN WORDS

scum in the undead hood

undead scum spy for the wulden faction

[RachMarie]

so you are going to ignore our town cop?

you are going to ignore the masons?

who will you listen to?

[RachMarie]

rb

Maybe she was wrong, but there is also the fact he was blocked last night and we had no townie deaths?

or was anyone else blocked last night and prevented from killing townies?

I am going to look at some others since no one is willing to look at this case much less the ate he did in result to my pushing on him which just screams scum to me.

[RachMarie]

rb I never said his race was wulden I checked his race like I said I would he is undead.

[RachMarie]

I will take a look at the lynch wagons and do some analysis now that we have enough to go on to have that help. (ie. know who the two maf teams ARE)

[RachMarie]

ohh I was going based on it being the wulden faction not wulden race, kinda like there was mostly nos in the isolationist faction so far but one vamp flipped too.

not to be confused with the individual vamp doc which flipped on d1

This has to be the most confusing game I have ever been in lol

[RachMarie]

yeah but how do you explain the watcher results being totally wrong ? He should have seen the dude who offed Luna (my money is on RAM), not me. I was checking RAM and I got a result of nos from him.

do you think we have both a redirector AND a bus driver in this game?

[RachMarie]

I just assumed he was lying like twin did in the prez game that ended recently when they said I went to block Kuribo (their scum budz) so he could not get off his shot (he fake claimed 1 shot town vig).

I was vt in that game and scum won partly because they convinced SSK I was fake and partly because they turned around and lynched Jiffy while he was at work.

[RachMarie]

no that does not surprise me

what surprises me is that BACDE said he saw me visit Luna when I visited and checked RAM not Luna

so either he is lying or there is a bus driver because redirect doesnt work that way.

[RachMarie]

Go ahead and Lynch me if you must but nosferatu visited Luna fox and was the only person to do so and Luna fox died overnight

Rach Marie also checked Luna fox so there is my watcher proof

My whole undead slave faction but me is now dead

Why do ppl want to Lynch Kling? What happened in the game.before this

Hey guys RAM also visited Luna fox lol I didn't mention it before

Lmao do you expect me to make something up?

I just didn't end up voting because this game is confusing and right off the bat I was fighting off obstinate fucks trying to Lynch me

It seems like I made he right choice since there is a lot of talk of redirector/ninja/strongman

Why is my answer important to you? I doubt it would help you read me or find scum

let me help you

did you or did you not believe you had a guilty back there?

~Ice

I thought it was likely, but didn't vote because it wasn't an emergency and I'm not exactly a town leader in a game I replaced into fucking 250+ pages in

Also this was before mastin corrected my night results to include RAM visiting Luna,w ho is more likely the scum killer imo

How about we talk more about how rach Marie isn't confirming that her check was on Luna fox who I'm pretty sure I wasn't directed away from??

Rach Marie, are your check results not consistent with being on Luna fox?

I am basing it on what Luna said in thread she flipped town and was a cop I trust cops

I did not visit luna I visited RAM

How many times do I have to say that, bacde its things like that which make me scum read you And I JUST WAS in a game where someone claimed I did something I DID not do and they were scum. And yet I could not convince enough people so they lynched Jiffy while he was at work. It was a brilliant move actually.

Now I do think RAM probably did the night kill because he died and if you look at his flip it says he has to use his power in order to die.

I checked RAM because I was scum reading him. Why on earth would I check Luna?

Answer my question: is your check result consistent with a check on Luna or is it consistent with a check on RAM?

SONG THERE IT WAS ME THAT BACDE SAID HE SAW VISIT LUNA He also added he saw RAM there.

Now there has to be some monkey business since I VISITED RAM NOT LUNA no reason for me to check the race of the TOWN COP who helped us lynch SCUM

how many times before you get this girl seriously

[RachMarie]

That is why I asked about a bus driver that is why I was going on the basis that bacde was lying

and if you can't see that song IDK what to tell you girl I am town reading you but seriously at least get his results accurately please. Its hard enough for town to parse this game without at least getting the results accurate.

If I am wrong and he is town hes our best bet for catching scum until we are down to only one left.

ok bacde if they say there is a bus driver AND a redirector I will consider the possibility I am wrong about you.

[RachMarie]

then why in the above quote did he say RAM and I visited LUNA

oh I give up if you cant read the quotes above uggh

[RachMarie]

ok I am going to make a pot of coffee and then I am going to dig into those lynch wagons and see where i want to put my vote plus talk with wake in our mason thread

no I am not undead

PEDIT no it was my case on bacde, not yours.

[RachMarie]

bacde we have established there may be a bus driver so yeah Im willing to see how that would give you a result of both me and RAM visiting Luna

So now that I have coffee Im going to go look at lynch wagons and see if I can figure out who is scum on them. We know that the two maf teams are isolationist and wulden

Everyone else that has flipped is either town or allied with town.

so now we can actually benefit from vca

[RachMarie]

NOW you guys are thinking

gods this vca on the lynches is flipping complicated

[RachMarie]

To make this easier Im going to use red for maf 1 (wulden) , purple for maf 2 (isolationist), gold for town allies, and green for town.


Twenty-seventh (and Final) Votecount D1:

KuroiXHF

- 15 (DrippingGoofball,

Titus

, A Song of Ice and Fire, No Retreat, Expedience,

RAM

,

Salt Squad,

Cephrir

, Heartless, Toogeloo, davesaz, Tim,

Luna Fox

,

BBMolla

,

dramonic)

Wayward Thinker - 3 (rb, Nosferatu, Klingoncelt)
Heartless - 2 (Almost50,

copper223

)
A Song of Ice and Fire - 1 (

KuroiXHF

)
Klingoncelt - 1 (Wayward Thinker)

Luna Fox

- 1 (

Lady Lambdadelta

)

Titus

- 1 (

Mathblade

)

Salt Squad

- 1 (

Stormblade

)

Not Voting - 3 (RachMarie, Wake88, TheWayItEnds)

With 28 alive, it took 15 to lynch.

Kuroi was individual vamp allied with town and doc

Thirty-fifth Votecount: (Eighth, and Final, Votecount D2)

Salt Squad

- 13 (davesaz, Cephrir, Bacde, Almost50,

Luna Fox

, Expedience,

copper223

, Toogeloo,

Mathblade

, A Song of Ice and Fire, No Retreat,

Stormblade

, DrippingGoofball)
Bacde - 3 (

Salt Squad,

Wayward Thinker, Tim)

Lady Lambdadelta

- 1 (

RAM

)
Almost50 - 1 (

Lady Lambdadelta

)

Cephrir

- 1 (Nosferatu)

Not Voting - 5 (Heartless, TheWayItEnds, RachMarie, rb, Wake88)

With 24 alive, it took 13 to lynch.

Salt Isolationist and cop caught

Forty-first Votecount: (Sixth Votecount D3)

Lady Lambdadelta

- 10 (Toogeloo, RachMarie, DrippingGoofball, Heartless, Wake88, Almost50,

Mathblade

, Expedience, Nosferatu, A Song of Ice and Fire)
Bacde - 2 (No Retreat, Tim)
No Retreat - 1 (Bacde)

Not Voting - 5 (Wayward Thinker, davesaz,

Lady Lambdadelta

, TheWayItEnds, rb)

LLD Wulden faction

[RachMarie]

uggh I should have seen math sooner the fact she was on a vanity wagon on her sister should have been a clue. She also hard bussed LLD

Can't remember who caught LLD in their report? Someone did I remember that.

I could definitely see nos as purple (isolationist), a bus vanity wagon on cephir knowing the big wagon was on Salt, and jumping on the wagon on LLD plus his vote on WT did not go far on D1.

VOTE: nos

[RachMarie]

uggh I missed that

sigh will keep looking through the vca

[RachMarie]

yeah wulden makes sense esp if he outed cephir

In true multiball, best way to appear townie is to really hit the other maf team.

so that would mean LLD was off the wagon and had two of her team mates bus her?

I could see that, especially if they have day chat for the maf teams.

Both Salt and LLD were basically fried anyway so would make sense to bus them hard for town cred.

[RachMarie]

lol rb we moved on from there

what do you think of nos?

[RachMarie]

way dude what do you think of nos?

[RachMarie]

what if she is from the other team? thats not a true bus

[RachMarie]

no it not because of anything you did Mastin it has to do with the complexities of the set up

you rock ♥

[RachMarie]

bacde chill, dude we have moved on from you. and yes I can vouch you are undead.

what do you think of nos? did you look at my vca stuffs?

[RachMarie]

meh Im town reading Nero not sure about his other head because it has been primarily Nero so far. Iffen you want I can show you a recent scum game of his I was in.

[RachMarie]

LOL cute a50, cute

Considering how complex and careful she has made this setup, I don't think she is gonna slip up like that ROFL

[RachMarie]

so rb and toog how do you feel about nos? What do you think of DGBs sheepy baa baa vote on Nero to make bacde happy?

[RachMarie]

why do you think that?

[RachMarie]

not seeing the rb case or the one on Nero

going to bounce some thoughts of wake though he is v/la sigh

[RachMarie]

a50 feels like prickly town

Does anyone think it is possible that we managed to get all of one of the maf factions? Im not a math person how many maf on each side is likely with this player base size?

[RachMarie]

the fact we only had one nk is bothering me.

both maf factions should have been killing. And if bacde IS town then his block did not prevent one.

which is why I am wondering if one of the maf teams is gone.

[RachMarie]

ohhh you are talking about different play not scum reading him from the get go,

I will read through his ISO for sure

after I have some coffee that is its brewing now

I dont really trust my brain in the morning before coffee

[RachMarie]

But that was why I was pushing so hard on bacde the wonky result on the RAM Luna night

and the whole mess with him being blocked plus only one nk

there is no way in a game like this that if there are two maf teams still with members alive that one did not kill

meh waiting to hear back from my mason buddy I will probably just sheep him for now.

not really thrilled with either wt or exp dudes but i dont have a solid logical case on either its mostly gut and I dont like just gut reads.

[RachMarie]

yeah I could see that a cult mechanism to increase your maf team by a 1 shot cult leader thingy. I have actually played a game where that happened. Grey Ice and I were the maf team and recruited tammy.

[RachMarie]

yeah I thought it unlikely too.

So either someone else has a way to block besides the person who blocked bacde or I was right in the first place uggh

well

atm while I wait to hear more from wake, Im fine with either a WT or exp lynch

VOTE: WT

[RachMarie]

rb shes got a point, and a cult recruit thingy if someone did that because they were desperately down to one would be a reason why a maf team might not have had a kill last night.

Still though not completely sold Song. What do you think of WT and Exped?

[RachMarie]

the interactions with song at the beginning of the day

placement in the vca I did

stuffs like that Nero

[RachMarie]

also both WT and exped are just kind of coasting along popping in now an again with a post or two then slipping off

that does not feel like lurking that feels like ACTIVE lurking

[RachMarie]

bacde some of us have played with Nero before

plus there is more serious issues atm like WT and Exped. What are your thoughts on them?

umm yeah Im not offended by the way you phrased that, but some others in the game might be

[RachMarie]

uhh ok taking exp out of my scumspect pool

yeah the individual is a thing and they are allied with town. from what I have seen in the flips.

[RachMarie]

wake IS town

did you miss our claim Exp?

[RachMarie]

yeah they FAKE claimed it

what about the individual vamp DOC we lost on D1?

[RachMarie]

ok well I still feel better about wt being scumz

hey wait Exp I dont have that I have a free check of race, location and nation just been focusing more on the race aspect.

plus I am masons with Wake

[RachMarie]

I was going along with his gambit even if I thought it was silly lol

[RachMarie]

Wake you NUT

[RachMarie]

Luckily for me, Im more active than my pred was, but I can understand his frustration with lack of activity.

Especially from his mason partner.

So yeah Wake is quite capable of voting his Mason partner even his Lover if he had one just to get him or her to get into the game.,

Threatening to vote does not equal getting someone lynched.

[RachMarie]

lickety is one of the heads of the WT hydra

[RachMarie]

I have had NO mod errors with my reports

All three came back just fine as what race they were. And two of them have flipped so that pretty much confirms it in my book.

I feel that bacde is undead because my other two reports have been verified by the flips
Titus human
RAM nos


So yeah Im a tad suspicious of so many mod errors myself.

[RachMarie]

rb did you see exped's claim?

I would rather lynch WT there is a chance exped is telling the truth

[RachMarie]

I would be quite willing to use my free checker thingy on exped to verify his claim.

[RachMarie]

no actually he was confidently saying he was town.

he did not want to out though without checking with me first.

[RachMarie]

It was Nero who was pushing the whole SK thing and I was the one who kept telling Nero he was wrong in a subtle way finally we both agreed in our PT f*** it and outed ourselves.

[RachMarie]

his destroyer of worlds was a gambit he and I both have confirmed that

[RachMarie]

I was playing along with it because though I thought it was silly he wanted to do it

[RachMarie]

bacde calm down attack the playstyle not the player dude.

[RachMarie]

ok I misread that lol

carry on

[RachMarie]

LOL Heartless what an image


Well pretty sure they are fake claiming it because dude first day actually was alligned to town and did flip individual vamp doc. they must have seen that and decided to use it uggh

[RachMarie]

oh duh

this game is so complicated

yeah I have not completely ruled him out even if mod admitted some errors. But yeah he is undead I know that because the flips verify my results are correct.

[RachMarie]

I feel for Mastin doing this setup its insanely complex and she is definitely going way above and beyond

[RachMarie]

mehhh forgot about tim

that is not a good sign... hmmm

[RachMarie]

yeah tim is too much coasting I can see this really well

VOTE: Tim

[RachMarie]

hey stop ruining our fun



ok when do they get back off of v/la

<<< Oh, apparently it was through yesterday, so they're apparently off it now. (My bad, I've started tracking them

now

, but they may not be accurate.) Anyway, votecount coming shortly. In it, I will list known V/LAs. If you do not see your name in there...post it again and I will note it in future VCs. Apologies that I haven't been doing this yet. Thusfar, it hasn't proved necessary because no player has even

remotely

come close to prod range, so my lack of tracking it is purely the mod slacking off. >>>

[RachMarie]

dont forget my mason buddy wake, bacde

[RachMarie]

oh you think he is scum when he and I have confirmed each other as masons, ok

[RachMarie]

ok I feel better about exped

WT I still want rope on

Tim is no longer on V/LA

lets lynch him