Gistou (Over!)

[mastin2]

trivia

Brown grodens are by far the most common, found in two-thirds of the known world. They range the entire span from the Erimos Mountains through the Great Ridge and even into the Divitias, from the tip of the Western Empire to the tip of the Eastern Kingdom.

Forty-ninth Votecount

:

(Eighth Votecount D4)

No Retreat - 4 (Expedience, Bacde, Almost50, DrippingGoofball)

Bacde - 3 (Wake88, RachMarie, davesaz)

A Song of Ice and Fire - 2 (Toogeloo, Heartless)
Expedience - 1 (No Retreat)
Wayward Thinker - 1 (rb)

Not Voting - 5 (Nosferatu, Wayward Thinker, Tim, TheWayItEnds, A Song of Ice and Fire)

With

16

alive, it takes

9

to lynch.

Day 4's deadline is Tuesday, August 23rd, @ 9:00 PM PST: (expired on 2016-08-23 21:00:00).
At Deadline,

No Retreat

would be lynched.

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

(=0)

No Retreat - 4 (Expedience, Bacde, Almost50, DrippingGoofball)

(=0)

Bacde - 3 (Wake88, RachMarie, davesaz)

(=0)

A Song of Ice and Fire - 2 (Toogeloo, Heartless)

(=0)

Expedience - 1 (No Retreat)

(=0)

Wayward Thinker - 1 (rb)

(=0)

Not Voting - 5 (Nosferatu, Wayward Thinker, Tim, TheWayItEnds, A Song of Ice and Fire)

Last votecount was post 6680, page 268.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History Day 4

• Heartless:
  A Song of Ice and Fire
  
• Bacde:
  No Retreat
  
• Almost50:
  davesaz===>No Retreat
  
• Nosferatu:
  
  
• Wayward Thinker:
  
  
• davesaz:
  Bacde
  
• Wake88:
  Bacde
  
• Tim:
  
  
• No Retreat:
  Expedience
  
• A Song of Ice and Fire:
  No Retreat==>Unvote
  
• rb:
  Wayward Thinker
  
• Expedience:
  No Retreat
  
• TheWayItEnds:
  
  
• DrippingGoofball:
  davesaz===>Bacde===>No Retreat
  
• Toogeloo:
  A Song of Ice and Fire
  
• RachMarie:
  Bacde

Spoiler: Players Voted D4 History

1. No Retreat:
   5 - Expedience, Bacde, Almost50, A Song of Ice and Fire, DrippingGoofball
   
2. Bacde:
   4 - Wake88, RachMarie, DrippingGoofball, davesaz
   
3. davesaz:
   2 - Almost50, DrippingGoofball
   
4. A Song of Ice and Fire:
   2 - Toogeloo, Heartless
   
5. Expedience:
   1 - No Retreat
   
6. Wayward Thinker:
   1 - rb

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 4

On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 12:58a,

Expedience

Votes

No Retreat

in post 6414.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 01:20a,

Toogeloo

votes

A Song of Ice and Fire

in post 6419.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 02:35a,

Almost50

Votes

davesaz

in post 6431.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 03:51a,

Bacde

votes

No Retreat

in post 6435.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 06:15a,

Almost50

Votes

No Retreat

in post 6463.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 08:58a,

DrippingGoofball

Votes

davesaz

in post 6507.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 09:43a,

No Retreat

votes

Expedience

in post 6518.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 10:58a,

Heartless

Votes

A Song of Ice and Fire

in post 6533.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 05:47p,

Wake88

Votes

Bacde

in post 6589.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 04:23a,

rb

Votes

Wayward Thinker

in post 6627.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 10:06a,

A Song of Ice and Fire

Votes

No Retreat

in post 6634.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 12:59p,

RachMarie

Votes

Bacde

in post 6651.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 02:05p,

DrippingGoofball

Votes

Bacde

in post 6654.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 03:58p,

davesaz

Votes

Bacde

in post 6663.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 05:21p,

DrippingGoofball

Votes

No Retreat

in post 6668.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 08:09p,

A Song of Ice and Fire

Unvotes

(

No Retreat

)

in post 6677.

[RachMarie]

so you are going to ignore our town cop?

you are going to ignore the masons?

who will you listen to?

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

@Luna: who are you scumreading outside of your Night result?

I do have a scumread in my hood which i mentioned.

Outside of that i have no idea rn im townreading a lot of ppl.
I'm pretty much trying to figure out who's trying to lynch us based on our win condition, because they're more than likely either scum or at least... opposing our faction.

There you go Luna's OWN WORDS

scum in the undead hood

undead scum spy for the wulden faction

stop being so faulty
this was right before nearly all of their neighborhood get raped. and she was changing her read again and again. she claimed that its a mod confirmed possibilty that there is a wulden in their neighbourhood. I do believe as well that this wasn't "Wulden" race necessary and it was referring to wulden faction. but this is not a guilty on him and I was wrong about it yesterday.

I can't tell if you can't everything which are suggesting he is town atm or your pretending your not

[Wayward Thinker]

what do you mean I'm coming from a different angel

I'm trying my best to sort the remaining players with all the info its here

I really liked heartless today post and I believe there is an effort behind it. and when I reviewed dgb I can see she was always correct on her reads which is unsatleing but I don't wanna think her as a busser right now cuase that was a crazy scum play.

never just give a free pass for any shit. that claim needs to get sorted like others. this is not a mini normal game. although as I said I believe its true.

Can't explain the different angle thing, its a gut read.

"I'm trying my best empathise with me" sounds like AtE to me.

Never rule something out because its "crazy" that's just bad form. Then you contradict yourself saying you never give a free pass. What do you call not wanting to think dgb isn't a busser is? I think dgb is Town fwiw.

[Wayward Thinker]

so you are going to ignore our town cop?

you are going to ignore the masons?

who will you listen to?

I'm going to talk things over with my hydra partner before I throw out a vote.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

I don't care about your gut and no one else should

no one in MS (maybe beside RC) cant read me with gut. This is a proven fact ask others.

and no I'm not giving anyone a free pass

i don't like toog calling "low hanging fruit" or you saying "I can't see myself voting wake the whole game" stop being so fualty and play the momentum

wake up

this is a cult game.

and I always ATE. thats my thing. I am an emotional creep

and about DGB you asked about my heartless read I just explained all my new reads including heartless and dgb. previously in this day I said I want dgb dead but now I think she is town becuase of her votes.

now why are you town reading her?

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

plus why are you not ok with a no retreat lynch?

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

And I'm not ok with a No Retreat lynch.

I mean this post

[Wayward Thinker]

I don't care about your gut and no one else should

no one in MS (maybe beside RC) cant read me with gut. This is a proven fact ask others.

and no I'm not giving anyone a free pass

i don't like toog calling "low hanging fruit" or you saying "I can't see myself voting wake the whole game" stop being so fualty and play the momentum

wake up

this is a cult game.

and I always ATE. thats my thing. I am an emotional creep

and about DGB you asked about my heartless read I just explained all my new reads including heartless and dgb. previously in this day I said I want dgb dead but now I think she is town becuase of her votes.

now why are you town reading her?

Kling does AtE as well and said in a game I was in that only one person could read them. I claimed they were scum all game long that game and I was right, so sorry, when people say "only X player can read me" I don't buy that shit one bit. I was also recently in a game with Thor665 and if you know anything about his meta you would know what

he

thinks about people reading him. I read him Scum day 1 (granted I had him as a null/scum read) and continued the read stronger day 2 and we had a perfect game as Town in a newbie minus a NK. Don't talk to me about what can't be done and save yourself the trouble.

plus why are you not ok with a no retreat lynch?

[Wayward Thinker]

No Retreat is Gut, deal with it.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

whats your point

you don't know my fucking meta so stop using someone else meta here. and no I'm not scum. and I can't have one fucking game without someone attacking me for being emotional me.

but whatever.

Your whole reads are gut. are you even trying to explain your reads or are they just fake

[Wayward Thinker]

whats your point

you don't know my fucking meta so stop using someone else meta here. and no I'm not scum. and I can't have one fucking game without someone attacking me for being emotional me.

but whatever.

Your whole reads are gut. are you even trying to explain your reads or are they just fake

Nope, they are not fake. When I try to explain no one listens because I look at things that most people don't even consider, I am an anomaly like that.

The more you cry the more I think you are Scum, JFYI.

[A Song of Ice and Fire]

>.>

I literally have no comment

I always considered my self a player who is always pointing out on stuff who I can't explain and no one will consider them. where did I rejected your reads?

At least just fucking categorize your other reads so we can interact about them or discuss my reads with me >.>

and your wrong about me, this is just typical reactionary emotional me and I'm always like this town or scum. At least that's how everyone else described it so far.

I did more than you can imagine in this game fore town and I won't let you dirt me up for some shit crap and bitter my time here in my last mafia game .

[Wayward Thinker]

>.>

I literally have no comment

I always considered my self a player who is always pointing out on stuff who I can't explain and no one will consider them. where did I rejected your reads?

At least just fucking categorize your other reads so we can interact about them or discuss my reads with me >.>

and your wrong about me, this is just typical reactionary emotional me and I'm always like this town or scum. At least that's how everyone else described it so far.

I did more than you can imagine in this game fore town and I won't let you dirt me up for some shit crap and bitter my time here in my last mafia game .

My apologies.

[Almost50]

@Frozen:

Please remember to sign your posts. Although I do town read both heads, each of you thinks differently and expresses themselves differently, and I would very much like to know which of you is talking in order to be able to interpret the phrasing more accurately.

[rb]

WTF he is undead scum

I got the result just like I did on Titus and RAM

his race is undead he was with the undead faction as a wulden SPY duh are you doubting Luna our cop?

There's no actual proof there's a spy, they were just basing it off some flavour mastin said about their hood not necessarily being scum-free. They all figured there was scum in their hood, but it isn't necessarily true. If their race is undead, it's still likely they're part of the Undead Risen Slave Wincon. Yeah okay, race =/= alignment but it IS pretty indicative since so far we've seen 3 Isolationists flip as 2Nosferatu/1Vampire and presumably the last member is Nosferatu - and 2 Wulden have both been Wulden Faction scum.

It doesn't mean there's a "scum race" but the info you're using to call Bacde scum is not confirmed info. Luna "our cop" never checked Bacde's alignment, so in that regard she's just as likely to be wrong about Bacde's alignment as any other generic Town player. 4 undead players have flipped, all were town. What makes you so sure this undead player is scum?

[rb]

@Luna: who are you scumreading outside of your Night result?

I do have a scumread in my hood which i mentioned.

Outside of that i have no idea rn im townreading a lot of ppl.
I'm pretty much trying to figure out who's trying to lynch us based on our win condition, because they're more than likely either scum or at least... opposing our faction.

There you go Luna's OWN WORDS

scum in the undead hood

undead scum spy for the wulden faction

Yeah as mentioned all this means is that it's what she suspected, but she didn't use a cop-read on it.

[RachMarie]

rb

Maybe she was wrong, but there is also the fact he was blocked last night and we had no townie deaths?

or was anyone else blocked last night and prevented from killing townies?

I am going to look at some others since no one is willing to look at this case much less the ate he did in result to my pushing on him which just screams scum to me.

[rb]

@RachMarie: you know who else some town flips have suspected, who I think have more chance of being right than Bacde?

Nahdia wanted us to lynch Expedience.
Dramonic wanted us to lynch Wayward Thinker.

I agree with those reads way more than this Undead one. Also, only humans can be culted - so Bacde is either just Wulden scum (but they aren't Wulden) or she's not even scum. I mean, she could be Isolationist but that seems to not make sense to me because the Isolationists needed to kill the Wulden and Mastin dropped a hint that the only races possible in the hood were Wulden + Undead. So I'd rather not lynch a probable town, small-ish chance of scum player who's immune to culting. I'd much rather lynch a probable scum player who for all we know is cult-able. We haven't killed a single cult yet, so even if they're not scum we stand a chance of hitting cult - yes?

Let's kill the cult-able scumreads before the uncult-able scumreads. It's the best thing to do right now. We have to make a dent in the cult because there's presumably at least another Wulden scum, possibly 2 and there's maybe another Isolationist. All non-human factions get 1 recruit - we can't be sure all Isolationists are dead and if there was 3 Isolationists its logical to assume the other scum could have 3. There's also no reason there couldn't be more, right? So right now with 18 players left we're looking at potentially 3scum + 3 cult. That's 12v6 and I think we should lynch the cult-able players first.

ISOIAF claims to be not-cultable. The only reason to disbelieve that is that she's just lying. I don't know how likely that is, but I'm happy to put that off for 1 day.
Wake claimed Human on Day 1 - so unless he's somehow not cultable...

@Mastin are Masons cult-able in this game?

[rb]

rb

Maybe she was wrong, but there is also the fact he was blocked last night and we had no townie deaths?

or was anyone else blocked last night and prevented from killing townies?

I am going to look at some others since no one is willing to look at this case much less the ate he did in result to my pushing on him which just screams scum to me.

It's not AtE, it's the fact that they're basically confirmed innocent through mechanics. I'm figuring you just aren't keeping 100% up with all the mechanics going on, you've been V/LA so that's understandable. We should lyncch Wayward. Srsly.

[RachMarie]

rb I never said his race was wulden I checked his race like I said I would he is undead.

[RachMarie]

I will take a look at the lynch wagons and do some analysis now that we have enough to go on to have that help. (ie. know who the two maf teams ARE)

[rb]

rb

Maybe she was wrong, but there is also the fact he was blocked last night and we had no townie deaths?

or was anyone else blocked last night and prevented from killing townies?

I am going to look at some others since no one is willing to look at this case much less the ate he did in result to my pushing on him which just screams scum to me.

Who knows? A lot of scum have died, and if you saw RAM's flip he has a choice of using either his kill or other abilities. If RAM used no abilities at all, he was totally bulletproof iirc. Or maybe X-shot something. Town has lynched 2 scum and NK'd 3 others right? It's possible the scum just wanna lie low and avoid detection for now. Remember Bacde is a claimed Watcher - if she were to watch a scum target, she could find them doing an NK. It actually makes perfect sense for scum to block her right now.

Also, back on Day 1 Titus flipped human-vig and there was an implication that there were 2 other vig's in the game, but Titus' NK's only worked on non-humans and the other champions. It's possible the scum killed other scum, or the lack of NK's is because humans were targeted by the human champions. Who knows, there's a lot of complex mechanics here.

[rb]

rb I never said his race was wulden I checked his race like I said I would he is undead.

That's what I mean. The undead Hood suspected a

Wulden

spy. Bacde is not a Wulden.

Shit, maybe it's an undead allied with Wulden but we don't have any reason to just assume that rn other than generic town suspicions - which there are plenty of to go around regardless, why fixate on just this one?

[RachMarie]

ohh I was going based on it being the wulden faction not wulden race, kinda like there was mostly nos in the isolationist faction so far but one vamp flipped too.

not to be confused with the individual vamp doc which flipped on d1

This has to be the most confusing game I have ever been in lol