Gistou (Over!)

[rb]

RB pls talk to me about how or how not WT is a counterwagon to Exp.

What do you mean?

Both WT and Expedience are scumreads for me, they should both die as far as I'm concerned.

Well, I remember you saying over and over how Kuroi was a counterwagon to WT. Ok, maybe he was but Exp was actully the first wagon from the first day so wouldn't WT be an Exp counter as well? I remember asking about it but I don't think you ever responded to me so thats why my vote is currently on you.

This is also the first I remember of you calling Exp scum.

I called Exp scum for like all of Day 1.

Dramonic was telling me he was town and I was skeptical the entire time. With Nahdia dead and her really seeing Exp as scum, I think Dram was wrong and Nahdia was right on Exped.

[Toogeloo]

Also, I feel like two mafia teams of 3 is extremely weak in a 28 player game. Hell, combined they are barely 20% of the player base. Then you have to assume cross kills.

I still don't see there being a Serial Killer either, and there's no flavor to suggest it's existence.

My guess is that the game started at:
4-5 Mafia Faction 1
4-5 Mafia Faction 2
---There's nothing wrong with having lopsided Multi Mafia teams, one could be a four man while the other a five man, it just depends on their power level. I could see a three man, but it'd have to be a really powerful team. Two three man teams seems really low though.

1-2 Cult
---One Cult at the start of the game could be really weak for that faction considering there is a lot of Kills at night, and many are protection bypassing. This is assuming the Cult even works like a traditional one. If we are dealing with a varied Cult, who knows how many they started with or how their recruiting works.

15-18 Town of varying factions.
---The obvious here is that there is no true town faction. As long as you have the same generic town wincon, you are on town. The exception to the rule is the Survivor faction, which still makes no sense to me.


IRT the Survivor Faction, the thought just occurred to me that maybe they can win with town or scum so long as at least 1 member is still alive. It doesn't change anything, but that possibility seems way more friendly to their wincon than the worse alternative of only winning with town and having a surviving member.


Anyone happen to know if the Vampires recruited a Human to their ranks yet?

@bacde

: Has the Undead faction attempted to recruit a Human to it's ranks yet? (simple yes/no, no names)

[Toogeloo]

Why WT?

The best alternative of the leading lynches, imo.

[No Retreat]

Why weren't you sheeping me on Exp earlier? Are we going with the "WT is a bigger scumread!"?

What do you think of Bacde calling you his biggest scumread but voting me?

[No Retreat]

Why WT?

The best alternative of the leading lynches, imo.

Why do you think Exp is town?

[Toogeloo]

Why do you think Exp is town?

When did I say that?

[rb]

Shit I even pushed on both Exped + WT in Day 1 pretty hard, and I kept getting annoyed by people townreading Exped.

[No Retreat]

I don't think you did, so you scum read him? But you think WT is a better lynch?

[Toogeloo]

I don't think you did, so you scum read him? But you think WT is a better lynch?

WT has more support. iirc, you're the only person voting Expedience right now.

[rb]

Why weren't you sheeping me on Exp earlier? Are we going with the "WT is a bigger scumread!"?

What do you think of Bacde calling you his biggest scumread but voting me?

Dram was pretty insistent that Exped was terrible town. After he flipped Night 1 I thought, "well okay then".

Then Nahdia flipped Night 2 and she was pretty insistent Exped was terrible scum. Then we had a guilty on LLD and Dram also thought WT was really scum too. I'm sorting the game different as different people flip.

[Toogeloo]

I don't understand why this has to be a Black or White thing. This game is already convoluted enough. To quote Boromir, "One simply does not simply have a Scum or Town read on every player in this game."

[rb]

I don't think you did, so you scum read him? But you think WT is a better lynch?

Can you pls read my ISO then? Srsly.

885
900
916
929
934
1012
1045
1727
1766
1792
1863

Yeah, I never pushed on Expedience at all!

[rb]

And if you read further posts you'll still see that even on Day 1 I thought WT was a better lynch then.

[rb]

So like, wtf is your case even supposed to be here?

[No Retreat]

I don't think you did, so you scum read him? But you think WT is a better lynch?

Can you pls read my ISO then? Srsly.

885
900
916
929
934
1012
1045
1727
1766
1792
1863

Yeah, I never pushed on Expedience at all!

My 6907 was directed at Toog not you.

[rb]

Oh

Thought we was gonna fite.

Going to bed then since you don't wanna fite.

[No Retreat]

oh sure we can. I don't think its impossible that you spend d1 bussing your buddy. I mean just 'cause Dram flipped town doesn't mean he was right about Exp. Do you often take the advice of flipped players?

[RachMarie]

the interactions with song at the beginning of the day

placement in the vca I did

stuffs like that Nero

[RachMarie]

also both WT and exped are just kind of coasting along popping in now an again with a post or two then slipping off

that does not feel like lurking that feels like ACTIVE lurking

[Nosferatu]

other than no retreat I'm good with like all of these lynches

[Bacde]

Why is everyone sucking no retreats dick

[Bacde]

This is like, highly concerning for no retreat being cult leader the fact we have all these random ppl defending him who never spoke up before

Especially considering no retreat stands out in how unremarkable he is this game

[mastin2]

trivia

Polar grodens are the northern cousins of grizzly grodens. While not quite as large, strong, or durable, the true danger behind polar grodens is that they are just as fast as brown, black, and gray grodens are, and yet have almost the same size as the much-larger grizzly groden. As the name suggests, they are almost exclusively found in only the coldest regions of the land.

Fifty-Third Votecount

:

(Twelfth Votecount D4)

rb - 4 (Almost50, Nosferatu, No Retreat, A Song of Ice and Fire)

No Retreat - 3 (Expedience, Bacde, DrippingGoofball)

Wayward Thinker - 3 (rb, RachMarie, Toogeloo)
Bacde - 2 (Wake88, davesaz)
A Song of Ice and Fire - 1 (Heartless)

Not Voting - 3 (Wayward Thinker, Tim, TheWayItEnds)

With

16

alive, it takes

9

to lynch.

Day 4's deadline is Tuesday, August 23rd, @ 9:00 PM PST: (expired on 2016-08-23 21:00:00).
At Deadline,

rb

would be lynched.

Extras

Spoiler: Changes from Last Votecount

(=0)

rb - 4 (Almost50, Nosferatu, No Retreat, A Song of Ice and Fire)

(=0)

No Retreat - 3 (Expedience, Bacde, DrippingGoofball)

(=0)

Bacde - 2 (Wake88, davesaz)

(-1)

A Song of Ice and Fire - 1 (

Toogeloo

, Heartless)

(+2)

Wayward Thinker - 3 (rb,

RachMarie, Toogeloo

)

(-1)

Nosferatu - 0 (

RachMarie

)

(=0)

Not Voting - 3 (Wayward Thinker, Tim, TheWayItEnds)

Last votecount was post 6868, page 275.

Spoiler: Player Votecount History Day 4

• Heartless:
  A Song of Ice and Fire
  
• Bacde:
  No Retreat
  
• Almost50:
  davesaz===>No Retreat===>rb
  
• Nosferatu:
  rb
  
• Wayward Thinker:
  
  
• davesaz:
  Bacde
  
• Wake88:
  Bacde
  
• Tim:
  
  
• No Retreat:
  Expedience--->rb
  
• A Song of Ice and Fire:
  No Retreat==>Unvote===>rb==>Unvote===>rb
  
• rb:
  Wayward Thinker
  
• Expedience:
  No Retreat
  
• TheWayItEnds:
  
  
• DrippingGoofball:
  davesaz===>Bacde===>No Retreat
  
• Toogeloo:
  A Song of Ice and Fire--->>Wayward Thinker
  
• RachMarie:
  Bacde===>Nosferatu===>Wayward Thinker

Spoiler: Players Voted D4 History

1. No Retreat:
   5 - Expedience, Bacde, Almost50, A Song of Ice and Fire, DrippingGoofball
   
2. rb:
   5 - A Song of Ice and Fire, Almost50, Nosferatu, No Retreat, A Song of Ice and Fire
   
3. Bacde:
   4 - Wake88, RachMarie, DrippingGoofball, davesaz
   
4. davesaz:
   2 - Almost50, DrippingGoofball
   
5. A Song of Ice and Fire:
   2 - Toogeloo, Heartless
   
6. Wayward Thinker:
   2 - rb, RachMarie
   
7. Expedience:
   1 - No Retreat
   
8. Nosferatu:
   1 - RachMarie

Spoiler: Voting Chronology Day 4

On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 12:58a,

Expedience

Votes

No Retreat

in post 6414.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 01:20a,

Toogeloo

votes

A Song of Ice and Fire

in post 6419.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 02:35a,

Almost50

Votes

davesaz

in post 6431.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 03:51a,

Bacde

votes

No Retreat

in post 6435.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 06:15a,

Almost50

Votes

No Retreat

in post 6463.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 08:58a,

DrippingGoofball

Votes

davesaz

in post 6507.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 09:43a,

No Retreat

votes

Expedience

in post 6518.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 10:58a,

Heartless

Votes

A Song of Ice and Fire

in post 6533.
On Wed, Aug 08/03/16 @ 05:47p,

Wake88

Votes

Bacde

in post 6589.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 04:23a,

rb

Votes

Wayward Thinker

in post 6627.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 10:06a,

A Song of Ice and Fire

Votes

No Retreat

in post 6634.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 12:59p,

RachMarie

Votes

Bacde

in post 6651.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 02:05p,

DrippingGoofball

Votes

Bacde

in post 6654.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 03:58p,

davesaz

Votes

Bacde

in post 6663.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 05:21p,

DrippingGoofball

Votes

No Retreat

in post 6668.
On Thu, Aug 08/04/16 @ 08:09p,

A Song of Ice and Fire

Unvotes

(

No Retreat

)

in post 6677.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 04:21a,

A Song of Ice and Fire

Votes

rb

in post 6755.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 05:24a,

A Song of Ice and Fire

Unvotes

(

rb

)

in post 6763.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 05:47a,

RachMarie

Votes

Nosferatu

in post 6768.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 07:32p,

Almost50

Votes

rb

in post 6839.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 08:04p,

Nosferatu

Votes

rb

in post 6840.
On Fri, Aug 08/05/16 @ 08:19p,

No Retreat

votes

rb

in post 6841.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 12:48a,

A Song of Ice and Fire

Votes

rb

in post 6857.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 05:52a,

RachMarie

Votes

Wayward Thinker

in post 6889.
On Sat, Aug 08/06/16 @ 09:20a,

Toogeloo

unvotes

(

A Song of Ice and Fire

)

, and votes

Wayward Thinker

in post 6894.

THIS POST HAS BEEN EDITED TO INCLUDE A VC. Original text below.

Heads up: celebrating my sister's birthday today, so...largely unavailable today.
Including fixing last VC which is half-correct but is missing a couple of things, namely, A Song of Ice and Fire's name.

[RachMarie]

bacde some of us have played with Nero before

plus there is more serious issues atm like WT and Exped. What are your thoughts on them?

umm yeah Im not offended by the way you phrased that, but some others in the game might be

[davesaz]

Ugh, sorry a squirrel ran in front of me and I chased it.
I'll try to spend real time on this later, after back to school shopping for the kids.