In post 4558, Salt Squad wrote:No I am serious Luna claimed cop in her neighborhood to scum.
That means that scum knew who she wanted to confirm so they could redirect her to someone who has the same information as the person she was checking.
it annoys me when people present their POV like fact.
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Post #4839 (isolation #203) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 5:42 pm
Postby Expedience »
In post 4832, Salt Squad wrote:Question why is LLD scum outside my Wulden race cop result on her?
I am waiting on a VC before I continue playing to be perfectly honest.
Reaction to accusation is fake, the claim is otherwise fine.
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Post #4911 (isolation #204) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:28 pm
Postby Expedience »
Maybe beeboy is trying super hard not to get lynched after an incriminating result, but if I was in that position I would just give up.
I mean, when I put things in perspective the result is probably legit, but it doesn't sound that way when reading their posts. They feel flaily and insistent in a town way. Maybe I'm just bad.
But LLD seems like scum, claim aside.
Klingoncelt is spewing nonsense that she doesn't believe again. Like, what happened to being 100% sure that WT, No Retreat, and I were scum together? It was just hot air.
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Post #4915 (isolation #205) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:31 pm
Postby Expedience »
In post 4896, Stormblade wrote:Since you voted Expedience; I kinda like that vote. He cheered me up today because he was actually talking sense and seems to fucking understand what's going on, but if anything that suggests he may be an informed minority. I mean, that's not definite, he could also just be a good critical thinker, but my main point is that I don't think him being rational here and having a good grasp for the situation is towny at all. My scumread on him from early remains.
Because agreeing / disagreeing with someone is alignment indicative.
Mathblade, you haven't been reading my posts if you don't think that every one of my votes have been exquisitely justified.
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Post #4930 (isolation #207) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 7:38 pm
Postby Expedience »
I guess I didn't explain my thought process regarding Cephrir's claim.
I think that Cephrir is telling the truth, I don't think he's lying to save LLD. I think that he's town. But I also think that LLD got the "treaty" wincon as part of her fakeclaim.
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Post #4951 (isolation #208) » Thu Jul 21, 2016 8:01 pm
Postby Expedience »
In post 4941, rb wrote:Are you serious right now? How many times has it been said by Mastin that race =/= faction? Yet apparently people want to keep pushing on LLD just because she's Wulden and therefore practically 'confirmed cult'.
Why don't all of you who are town actually do some real fucking scumhunting?
If LLD isn't "individual wulden", she's scum, and that's quite explicit. The faction is probably called "hunter" or something.
Did you ROLE Cop her or did you RACE Cop her? Please be specific. It may not matter on THIS particular outcome, but it does matter on others I think, since we had flips from the same nation belonging to different factions.
Rolefishing?
This response ALONE is enough for me to pursue your lynch to the end of time and beyond. YOU said you investigated their race, then YOU said you Role Copped them. I only asked you to specify which one YOU meant of the two YOU typed! How on Earth is that rolefishing?
Once again, for the last time I targeted STORMBRINGER NOT SALTSQUAD.
You were told this multiple times.
and yet you continue to be what appears to be deliberately ignorant for the purposes of your own agenda.
I'm happy with this vote.
Vote: Almost50
This is such a weak post. I would vote LLD for this even if she didn't show as Wulden.
The LLD wagon is as reactionary as it gets. There are a couple players, Expedience and Albert's head of Stormblade, that aren't using "Wulden!" as their main reason but I either don't see an explanation for the scum read (albert) or don't see anything remotely convincing to empathize with that read (Expedience). I can understand where copper (and assume the other people not Albert/Expedience) are getting the 90% chance number but at the same time, there's hardly any mention of cephrir, who would be subject to that same scrutiny (especially from copper who has explicitly mentioned a group nosferatu faction, but even in a recent post has his sights on SS/RB after LLD and NOT cephrir). There's also no one that has come out and said they were either individual wulden/nosferatu which would be natural in this gamestate. That lends credence to both their claims.
So yeah, this LLD wagon is lazy af, half of everyone on it has barely said more than 2 words, and if they have said more, it's generally been about baseless speculation, or even provably wrong speculation.
Meanwhile, WT with every post becomes more and more obvious scum. Was the Counter-wagon to town that stalled out, and dramonic WT's #1 pusher is dead.
It really doesn't take a rocket scientist to see that he's scum.
It's literally claiming miller when you get checked by a cop, except there is a known greater chance of one existing. I don't see why more people are voting.
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Post #5214 (isolation #214) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 2:17 pm
Postby Expedience »
Mastin, I was actually voting LLD although I don't blame you for being confused.
<<< Odd. I have your vote correctly in the changes section. I have your vote correctly in all the other extra sections as well. But for some reason, the main VC--the hardest to get wrong--somehow...was wrong. My mistake. >>>
VOTE: Salt Squad
However this is probably the safest lynch for today.
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Post #5333 (isolation #215) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 5:37 pm
Postby Expedience »
I get 5222. Honestly I don't trust Luna and I half expect Salt Squad to flip town and it will turn out that Luna just misread her PM as saying that Salt Squad was "an isolationist faction" or some bs like that. I'm actively overriding my gut here.
Good answer, consistent with previous behaviors. Cool.
-Cerb
This. Does anyone else feel me that this is so fucking contrived and bad and scummy??? In all honestly I would hugely support a RAM lynch today.
-Nahdia
I know, it feels really shitty. Like he was trying to set a trap for me to fall into but then I didn't. Like "oh, that's good. you're safe for now, but WATCH YOUR BACK BITCH"
RAM are still unambiguously scum. I would also like to lynch them today over anyone else, but I'm worried there wouldn't be enough support like there was yesterday.
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Post #5364 (isolation #218) » Fri Jul 22, 2016 6:00 pm
Postby Expedience »
What would happen is they mislynch one neighbour, then that concentrates the chance of scum in the remaining players, then they just get purged until the scum is found (if there is any), and those remaining get nightkilled for being pseudo-confirmed town. Remember, part of the risen slave wincon is to survive.
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Post #5504 (isolation #220) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 12:02 pm
Postby Expedience »
In post 5500, RAM wrote:Ya but why would he ever hang his defense on "spinning the redirect possibility? Seriously, someone make me understand why they feel that's a reasonable response from scum given that nobody has a firm grasp on what factions and win conditions are town?
Like, that's the biggest problem I have with it. It's a super bad play for surviving today.
-Cerb
Pedit: it doesn't tell you that a redirect or block would always affect all actions. That is ABSOLUTELY just an assumption.
wiki.mafiascum/wifom
Literally "why would scum try to discredit a cop guilty on them if it makes them look bad"
Man this makes me feel bad about my vote, they obviously have an agenda and Cerberus seems like the type of guy to wk town. I hate the situation I'm in right now.
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Post #5572 (isolation #221) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:32 pm
Postby Expedience »
SS' push on Klingon feels kind of desperate and survivalistic and I no longer townread them based on play. There is like 0.0001% chance that something happened to the result, let's just lynch them as fast as possible. No more progress is being made.
I think most of the counterwagons people tried to start are on scum but still, this is the safest bet.
Mastin, when players die and flip will there be anything at all to differentiate between Town and Scum?
Holy shit dude, read the OP. It's not that difficult to use common sense for stuff like this, and it's already been discussed in the thread extensively. I have asked only one question to mastin so far.
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Post #5587 (isolation #223) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 6:39 pm
Postby Expedience »
Beeboy, can you self-vote? Right now if you're town the circumstances are so severely stacked against you that you should have accepted your fate by now. Thanks.
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Post #5649 (isolation #225) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:28 pm
Postby Expedience »
I think it's remarkable how hard Salt Squad (Beeboy al least) have persisted in the face of adversity. They haven't even given enough ground to claim their role yet!
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Post #5657 (isolation #226) » Sat Jul 23, 2016 7:38 pm
Postby Expedience »
Wake, can I be one of your townspeople even if I'm not the same faction? This is entirely hypothetical of course, I may very well be a Northern Tribesperson just like you.
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Post #5697 (isolation #227) » Sun Jul 24, 2016 1:06 am
Postby Expedience »
Toogeloo, I'm aware that you are a proud and pureblooded human but if you haven't managed to work out that individual vampire is town you'll just have to accept it.
If that faulty and overly literal interpretation leads you to vote Salt Squad, then fine.
But like, none of the flipped wincons have a 51% clause. The flavor strongly implies town. Mastin has repeatedly stressed that race != faction, and all non-humans can recruit.
We have only seen town flips so far. Also stop fearmongering about "cults :0", "what if its just ffa??", it's annoying to me because I don't feel like the setup is very hard to undersrand. Maybe Cephrir's gripe was valid, but.
Let's just lynch Salt Squad, we should all be able to agree on that (except RAM who is unambiguously scum).
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Post #6232 (isolation #229) » Thu Jul 28, 2016 5:43 pm
Postby Expedience »
rb, is the only reason you think Wake is third party because he said something about how there could be a serial killer or something? He seems really town to me, especially what I saw catching up.
I would like Nosferatu to full claim.
Bacde's claim and all of that stuff gives me a headache. I'm going to come back to this later.
In post 4733, Luna Fox wrote:I mean sure, ppl can watch/protect me, and in that case im open again to scan in there instead of lynching, if that's the route we're going.
Why would anyone in their right minds waste a protect on you?
You sold out your entire neighborhood.
Dram is dead.
Your fault.
You cannot be trusted.
Now a Tracker, yes, putting a Tacker on you would be great.
BTW, since you couldn't be bothered with asking me for my results, Little Miss Team Player:
A Song of Ice and Fire -
Location is Other,
Visited by xxx with a Night Action,
Visited by Klingoncelt and also by yyy, each with a check action
In post 5849, Bacde wrote:Go ahead and Lynch me if you must but nosferatu visited Luna fox and was the only person to do so and Luna fox died overnight
Rach Marie also checked Luna fox so there is my watcher proof
My whole undead slave faction but me is now dead
Why do ppl want to Lynch Kling? What happened in the game.before this
Nosferatu visited with a night action
Kling invest visited with a check
Heartless visited with a check
In post 6087, Bacde wrote:Hey guys RAM also visited Luna fox lol I didn't mention it before
So he's claiming:
Night 1:
Check location of A Song of Ice and Fire: Other
Watch A Song of Ice and Fire: Nosferatu visited with a night action, Klingoncelt and RachMarie visited with a check action
Night 2:
Watch Luna Fox: Nosferatu and RAM visited with a night action, RachMarie visited with a check action
This is right? I was confused
Then the reason he isn't voting Nosferatu or anything is because he actually doesn't have a guilty on him at all and RAM probably killed Luna Fox, even though he never acknowledges this.
I think I believe him, I want it to be possible for Bacde to be telling the truth.
In post 4733, Luna Fox wrote:I mean sure, ppl can watch/protect me, and in that case im open again to scan in there instead of lynching, if that's the route we're going.
Why would anyone in their right minds waste a protect on you?
You sold out your entire neighborhood.
Dram is dead.
Your fault.
You cannot be trusted.
Now a Tracker, yes, putting a Tacker on you would be great.
BTW, since you couldn't be bothered with asking me for my results, Little Miss Team Player:
A Song of Ice and Fire -
Location is Other,
Visited by xxx with a Night Action,
Visited by Klingoncelt and also by yyy, each with a check action
In post 5849, Bacde wrote:Go ahead and Lynch me if you must but nosferatu visited Luna fox and was the only person to do so and Luna fox died overnight
Rach Marie also checked Luna fox so there is my watcher proof
My whole undead slave faction but me is now dead
Why do ppl want to Lynch Kling? What happened in the game.before this
Nosferatu visited with a night action
Kling invest visited with a check
Heartless visited with a check
In post 6087, Bacde wrote:Hey guys RAM also visited Luna fox lol I didn't mention it before
So he's claiming:
Night 1:
Check location of A Song of Ice and Fire: Other
Watch A Song of Ice and Fire: Nosferatu visited with a night action, Klingoncelt and RachMarie visited with a check action
Night 2:
Watch Luna Fox: Nosferatu and RAM visited with a night action, RachMarie visited with a check action
This is right? I was confused
Then the reason he isn't voting Nosferatu or anything is because he actually doesn't have a guilty on him at all and RAM probably killed Luna Fox, even though he never acknowledges this.
I think I believe him, I want it to be possible for Bacde to be telling the truth.
Both rach and nosfertu claimed they ended up visiting RAM not luna so he was clearly watching ram and he si telling truth, Ram is the redirector who switched his watch ability from luna to himself or is one of the redirectors as nos claimed there is another one.
I beleive him too and I might end up voting LLD as well
Bacde shouldn't live though , he is the last remaining player from a group who was screaming two days about a wulden spy between them who are all flipped undead.
and KC was an exact replica of her saga scum game last game.
~Ice
That makes more sense.
But Nosferatu must have been redirected from Stormblade to RAM as well as Bacde being redirected to RAM. Which is kind of eh.
It makes sense for mastin to make a mistake sending the result though.
Pedit @Tim: yeah, but Nosferatu says his checks don't match with Stormblade so he's claiming to be redirected.
In post 6366, Toogeloo wrote:When (ok, ok, if) LLD flips scum, make sure to look back at the votes and check which people needed a little "extra" convincing to move their vote from low hanging bacde to LLD. Check for probable motivation for protecting LLD from a lynch before realizing that wasn't a possibility.
I think this is a bit nearsighted. LLD's wagon is prob CRAWLING with other wulden(that would be bussing her?)/isolationists/3rd party Wake.
Seems inconsistent, I don't like the way he interacted with the wagon.
I think his meta townread on LLD was extremely strained and likely to be scum unwilling to bus.
I don't have any other suspects atm. I haven't considered interactions with Mathblade.
In post 6560, No Retreat wrote:yeah ok, lets not talk about this anymore since I have no intention of full claiming yet and everything will be obvious once I do. Now sheep me on Exp or talk to me about RB.
Can you claim flavor?
something something elephant in the room
Cult seems like it would be the biggest threat if we haven't killed one yet and it's day 4. There are way too many clears. Like, Bacde could easily be Undead and got culted, but the race cops wouldn't even know, and I don't know if it would even matter.
In post 6417, Expedience wrote:Also I want WT to post at least before we end the day or whatever, don't quickhammer again.
Sorry hoped my other half would make an appearance and thought if I did not post I could draw them out. It was a miscalculation on my part as it did not work. You have my attention this phase at least. Sorry for the difficulty. I shall carry the hydra and catch up. Again my apologises.
~Suz
This isn't really believable to me, but whatever adsf lynch someone
No Retreat, if you claim and I believe you, I will also claim. Otherwise you can see that a wagon will build on you until deadline, and then you'll have to claim at the last minute and you might be more likely to get lynched.
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Post #6930 (isolation #241) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 11:54 am
Postby Expedience »
In post 6830, No Retreat wrote:yes, lets claim and give scum more information. Stop shit posting.
shitposting is explicitly suboptimal town play and this interpretation means that he is saying that my claim would be bad for town, which is inconsistent with scumreading me.
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Post #6940 (isolation #243) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 4:33 pm
Postby Expedience »
In post 6938, No Retreat wrote:Obviously if Exp doesn't full claim in his next post he's scum. See I can use that same "logic" too.
Fuck, I have been bested in this battle of wits
I am alexis galenos which is an individual undead flavor cop basically, I chose location cop pregame. Night one I targeted Tim, n2 you, n3 Nosferatu. On n2 I tried to convert Tim but it failed. I forgot the results I can give that if you want but mastin accidentally gave me nation instead of location results on n2.
Also I am conf town-or-cult from flavor and I slipped that my faction color was green on day 1.
Now you full claim in your next post, or you're scum.
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Post #6943 (isolation #245) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 5:39 pm
Postby Expedience »
I'm "individual undead" which is different from "undead risen slave". Kuroi was "individual vampire" and Salt Squad was vampire despite being in isolationist faction, race =/= alignment.
Also consistent with this is how I saw LLD was lying about her wincon because it didn't match mine, BBmolla's, or Kuroi's. It also says in Mathblade's role PM's flavor that Alexis Galenos is undead.
In post 6938, No Retreat wrote:Obviously if Exp doesn't full claim in his next post he's scum. See I can use that same "logic" too.
Fuck, I have been bested in this battle of wits
I am alexis galenos which is an individual undead flavor cop basically, I chose location cop pregame. Night one I targeted Tim, n2 you, n3 Nosferatu. On n2 I tried to convert Tim but it failed. I forgot the results I can give that if you want but mastin accidentally gave me nation instead of location results on n2.
Also I am conf town-or-cult from flavor and I slipped that my faction color was green on day 1.
Now you full claim in your next post, or you're scum.
No Retreat wrote:
yeah....still not claiming.
There's no reason too. Exps "almost vanilla with only a location check" is all kinds of bullshit. Also notice how Exp goes from "Nero is Wulden not bussing LLD" and when that didn't stick he changes it to "He's the cult leader b/c he won't claim"
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Post #6958 (isolation #251) » Sat Aug 06, 2016 6:26 pm
Postby Expedience »
In post 6957, No Retreat wrote:yeah....still not claiming. There's no reason too. Exps "almost vanilla with only a location check" is all kinds of bullshit. Also notice how Exp goes from "Nero is Wulden not bussing LLD" and when that didn't stick he changes it to "He's the cult leader b/c he won't claim"
Seriously, look at this shit. I'm basically confirmed town. Please kindly vote yourself.
Bacde literally can't be wulden why would there be an undead in a faction called "wulden", their topic specifically says that it's a wulden spy, I think at least.
In post 6969, Expedience wrote:Bacde literally can't be wulden why would there be an undead in a faction called "wulden", their topic specifically says that it's a wulden spy, I think at least.
I don't think it is a given that factions are racially pure. There could be a wulden faction member who is another race (undead) and spying on the faction that is primarily that race.
It wouldn't be likely for this to be a possibility if it hadn't been mentioned specifically. It's just a question of whether it is safe to confirm someone with that possibility still out there.
Nvm, you're right I remembered there was a vampire in the isolationists.